VATICAN OFFICIAL DECLARES ET CONTACT IS REAL

[auntym]

www.uforadar.com/2011/02/vatican-official-declares-extraterrestrial-contact-is-real/


Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is Real
Wednesday, February 9, 2011




Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a theologian member of the Vatican Curia (governing body), and an insider close to the Pope, has gone on Italian national television five times, including recent months, to proclaim that extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. Balducci provided an analysis of extraterrestrials that he feels is consistent with the Catholic Church’s understanding of theology. Monsignor Balducci emphasizes that extraterrestrial encounters “are NOT demonic, they are NOT due to psychological impairment, they are NOT a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully.” Since Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert and consultant to the Vatican , and since the Catholic Church has historically demonized many new phenomena that were poorly understood, his stating that the Church does not censure these encounters is all the more remarkable.

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Kewl.

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There are a few publications that are 'stretching' his views a bit. His position is that if extraterrestrials are real they are probably more spiritually evolved. Have to remember that this is a Catholic Monsignor..he is likely to carefully put his words and it will be in more religious tone than some of the articles are painting him. Naturally Rome would like to make sure it has a 'religious' spin.

" It is very well possible that other inhabited planets exist. We do not find any direct reference to extraterrestrial life in the Bible, but it neither excludes their existence. Since God's wisdom and omnipotence has no limits and is infinite indeed, this possibility doubtlessly exists. "

www.pufoin.com/pufoin_perspective/et_church.php

[sansseed]

I have trust issues when it comes to the catholic church, so reading this made me wonder..., what is the back story? What is not being said, or why is it being said in the first place. What is the church's angle on this? The vatican isn't as much spiritual as it is political, IMO.

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Sanseed..I have trust issues with just about all churches.

I believe dedicatedly in God..sometimes I think the churches forget Him and move right on to their own agendas.

[sansseed]

Apr 11, 2011 15:00:30 GMT -6 @jokelly said:

Sanseed..I have trust issues with just about all churches.

I believe dedicatedly in God..sometimes I think the churches forget Him and move right on to their own agendas.

Yep. Totally agree.

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Apr 11, 2011 13:26:58 GMT -6 sansseed said:

I have trust issues when it comes to the catholic church, so reading this made me wonder..., what is the back story? What is not being said, or why is it being said in the first place. What is the church's angle on this? The vatican isn't as much spiritual as it is political, IMO.

I agree too.

It's still nice that he admits the possibility though.

[skywalker]

Individual religion is about faith. Organized religion is about money and power. The Vatican wouldn't be saying this unless they had a political motive for doing so.

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Ego motive as well I think Sky. This way they can always say..look how progressive we have been. Looks good to the population who are believers and they seem to be keeping in step with those physicists who are allowing for the possibility now. No one wants to be left standing in the starting gate...just in case

[auntym]

www.stumbleupon.com/su/1JO2ob/www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/10/from-the-x-files-giordano-brunos-legacy-vatican-revises-views-on-extraterrestrial-civilizations.html

October 26, 2011

From the X Files: "Giordano Bruno's Legacy" --Vatican New Views on Extraterrestrial Civilizations

The chief astronomer of the church that burned Giordano Bruno at the stake in 1600 says there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of extraterrestrial civilizations perhaps more evolved than humans.

"In my opinion this possibility exists," said the Reverend José Gabriel Funes, current director of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to Pope Benedict XVI, referring to life on other planets.





"How can we exclude that life has developed elsewhere," he said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano. The large number of galaxies with their own planets makes this possible, he noted.

Asked if he was referring to beings similar to humans or even more evolved than humans, he said: "Certainly, in a universe this big you can't exclude this hypothesis."

"Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God. This is not in contrast with our faith because we can't put limits on God's creative freedom. Why can't we speak of a 'brother extraterrestrial'? It would still be part of creation."

Funes, who runs the observatory that is based south of Rome and in Arizona, held out the possibility that the human race might actually be the "lost sheep" of the universe. There could be other beings "who remained in full friendship with their creator," he said.

Funes commentary is a giant step away from the historical record that includes the Inquisition, which condemned Galileo in the 17th century for insisting that the Earth revolved around the Sun. The Roman Catholic Church did not rehabilitate him until 1992.

"The general opinion is not always the perfect truth..." Giordano Bruno is still quoted. Such remarks produced expensive, bitter consequences: On 17th of February 1600 he publicly was burnt at the stake after eight years of torture and dungeon detention. Today the Piazza Campo dei Fiori where this statue stands has become a monument to free thinking; adjacent to the statue, is the "Fahrenheit 451" bookstore, named after Ray Bradbury's 1953 novel expounding freedom of thought.

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[Steve]

Based on the article above, more about;



Giordano Bruno (1548 – February 17, 1600), born Filippo Bruno, was an Italian Dominican friar, philosopher, mathematician and astronomer. His cosmological theories went beyond the Copernican model in proposing that the Sun was essentially a star, and moreover, that the universe contained an infinite number of inhabited worlds populated by other intelligent beings.

In addition to his cosmological writings, Bruno also wrote extensive works on the art of memory.

He was burned at the stake by civil authorities in 1600 after the Roman Inquisition found him guilty of heresy for his pantheism and turned him over to the state, which at that time considered heresy illegal. After his death he gained considerable fame; in the 19th and early 20th centuries, commentators focusing on his astronomical beliefs regarded him as a martyr for free thought and modern scientific ideas.

So advanced was his thinking, the right man but at the wrong time.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

[skywalker]

You know...all of these high-profile people and government officials and scientists coming out and announcing their open-mindedness to ET civilizations is making me a little suspicious...or nervous. For a long time we have been hearing people talk about the possibility of disclosure. Is this the beginings of it? And if so, why now? Is it simply because scientists have started finding planets orbiting nearby stars and they have finally realized that Earth isn't really all that unique in the galaxy after all?

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Monster egos, just don't like to be caught with their pants down. This way they can say...'oh we knew it all along'.

[Steve]

Burned at the stake for believing in the possible existence of ET. More to the point, why is the Catholic Church not being charged with murder? Monstrous! Along with the many crimes and sins it has been accused and convicted of in more recent times.

Disclosure has been happening for a long time, one person at a time. You don't need some proclamation from some officialdom to make it all right. Like many other things, officials and bureaucrats have demonstrated from past experience they should simply get out of the way.

Prepare yourselves for telling the world 'we told you so', and rub their faces in it.

Steve

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As long as ET isn't rubbing my face in it..

[skywalker]

Oct 27, 2011 14:02:18 GMT -6 Steve said:

Burned at the stake for believing in the possible existence of ET. More to the point, why is the Catholic Church not being charged with murder? Monstrous! Along with the many crimes and sins it has been accused and convicted of in more recent times.

Disclosure has been happening for a long time, one person at a time. You don't need some proclamation from some officialdom to make it all right. Like many other things, officials and bureaucrats have demonstrated from past experience they should simply get out of the way.

Prepare yourselves for telling the world 'we told you so', and rub their faces in it.

Steve

Very well put. I bet those who debunk the loudest will be the first to take credit when ET does finally reveal themselves...and the political leaders who try so hard to ridicule those who believe will be at the front of the line wanting to be in control of contact.

[paulette]

I just keep thinking about the TV series V - it had great ratings (we loved the queen lizzard with the deadly tail). It had the Vatican infiltrated and cooperating with the mother ships - who were promising health care and technological benefits but merely wanted the planet. And then...bink...gone. That made me...uneasy. Did they get too close?

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Gosh Paulette... that's scary to think about... I hope that isn't what their agenda is...

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"Since Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert and consultant to the Vatican "

Isn't this the same as saying "mufon is a UFO expert and consultant to the New One-World Government" ?

I am not meaning to be slanderous and this is NOT an outright camparison between demonology and UFO. The comparison is to both topics are full of speculation, and writings by "experiencers".

"I just keep thinking about the TV series V - it had great ratings (we loved the queen lizzard with the deadly tail). It had the Vatican infiltrated and cooperating with the mother ships - who were promising health care and technological benefits but merely wanted the planet. And then...bink...gone. That made me...uneasy. Did they get too close? " (from paulette)

I almost wish you hadn't pointed this out . I don't watch much TV but saw these episodes (chance?). Want to know how it subtly "brain-washed" me? I now think that any "talk" or articles written recently about the Vatican's position on the E.T. issue is a joke. Some sort of hoax put out by someone else. None of this makes any sense.

On top of all this, I'm having to explain to my children that Catholic priests are not allowed to marry. Why? Because I'm hard-pressed to explain how there are still priest-child molestations coming "out" daily.

Again, I'm not saying the two are related. I just wonder if the Vatican is looking very seriously for a "distraction"......

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JC..I don't care how it's painted...or who advocates them (by remote viewing or dreams or by landings to borrow a cup of sugar) I feel more uneasy as time goes by. Granted I had very unsettling ..ok ..terrifying experiences. I was very young (5 & 16) but maturity plus a LOT of reading isn't making me like them any better. I worry about people who are determined to find a wealth of good in unknown entities who stealthily infiltrate our air space and abduct our people (including children ) to harvest genetic material. It shows callousness or cruelty to terrify a child doesn't it? So if they are bad but there are good ones..why wouldn't the good ones (who have our interests at heart) step in to prevent abductions? Maybe I'm alone in this..but something is not right in this. Something is really wrong

[paulette]

Jokelly, I'm with you. They are not IMO good or bad. They are OTHERLY. They have their own priorities and agendas - which may not remotely be pleasant for us. If you read the supposedly channeled Han - he says thing calmly but the impact of what he says takes a while to soak in. See my recent (Oct 29th) posting. I'm surprised that few people here seem to be reacting to this thread. Maybe most consider it fiction or arising from Steve's subconscious.

I have had moments during which I thought that maybe contact (again or whatever) would be more manageable now that I'm older (and maybe stabler). But I've thought that before - and I couldn't hold a Isn't-this-fun? head space. I want to be with my husband and see a far away ship - just close enough that he can say (he works at a Base), "That sure isn't an airplane or helicopter." He says, "It would be fun to be taken together" and I SAY, "No it wouldn't!"

Meanwhile no one gets a picture, the videos look fishy and some are proven to be hoaxes, the experiencers don't end up with hard evidence gripped in their hand. Except maybe one blonde hair with weird dna - but human dna nevertheless.

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"I feel more uneasy as time goes by" (from jokelly)

which bothers me, because otherwise you always come across as someone with a positive outlook .

"I'm surprised that few people here seem to be reacting to this thread. " (from paulette, about "Han")

I don't like it. This person talking through steve. But I don't want to say anything that might possibly hurt steve. And I know steve is tough. It will sound like I'm "on the fence" when my first reaction to others in steve's life cautioning him, was to want to tell them to "leave him alone!" But that's not the case. This is just such a personal issue for steve, and frankly, I would feel better if he had done this six months ago, and THEN we were just now seeing the transcripts, with steve now interjecting commentary. The way it is now, I sure don't read it every day...

[skywalker]

I'm sure Steve knows what he is doing. He sounds like he has a good hypnotherapist and friend watching out for him...and a lot more friends here on the forum. Nothing to be worried about.

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I trust Steve..I do not trust the 'entity' he channels. I agree too Paulette..calm with an enormous impact..reminds me of a club wrapped in velvet...a club none the less. Bad analogy but I'm tired tonight. I've felt 'off' for the last couple of days just..unsettled and I hate those phantomy mind spooks when I can't 'grok' em

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Thanks, sky. I know you're just trying to reassure me. I don't know "who" Han is. If I tell him off, am I telling off steve???

[satansrini]

So who cares? Who is Vatican to 'declare' anything? They don't rule and control anymore do they.

But I guess, they are giving a leeway to the followers of Christianity by saying "its ok kiddos, your not speaking blasphemy if you thought there is life elsewhere"!! hehehe As I have observed, Christianity is the most adapting religion that I have seen. Which is also why they meet with such success. No offense, this is my observation and opinion and id like to express it freely. But for example, I have been an atheist all along, killed 5 people and am dying - I suddenly accept God into my life 2 minutes before my death and ask for forgiveness, I go to heaven. Else I go to hell!!!

Imagine what Bruno would have done if he was allowed to live. Further, they very recently also justified the punishment and offered no 'regret' - yeah 'apology' is too big a word for Vatican. Because obviously to God everyone is not equal. They also blackmailed Galileo to shutting up.

But the world to a large extent doesn't care anymore.

Apr 11, 2011 10:45:57 GMT -6 @jokelly said:

" It is very well possible that other inhabited planets exist. We do not find any direct reference to extraterrestrial life in the Bible, but it neither excludes their existence. Since God's wisdom and omnipotence has no limits and is infinite indeed, this possibility doubtlessly exists. "

I guess the plan is to convert aliens to Christianity... and expand the realm of Christianity from Earth to the far reaches of the galaxy ;D ;D ;D

Regards,
Srinivas

[skywalker]

I think why this seems like such a big deal is because most religious leaders have a tendency to be some of the most closed-minded people in the universe. They look at their religious books as the word of God and any change in belief, no matter how tiny it may be, is considered a lack of faith.

Maybe they are just trying to gain converts by saying that it is ok to think whatever you want to think or believe whatever you want to believe as long as you give us your money and do what we say...or just give us your money.

[satansrini]

Nov 4, 2011 20:03:45 GMT -6 skywalker said:

I think why this seems like such a big deal is because most religious leaders have a tendency to be some of the most closed-minded people in the universe. They look at their religious books as the word of God and any change in belief, no matter how tiny it may be, is considered a lack of faith.

Maybe they are just trying to gain converts by saying that it is ok to think whatever you want to think or believe whatever you want to believe as long as you give us your money and do what we say...or just give us your money.

hehehehehe......yeah a couple of my cousins who live in the US.. they are both Cardio Surgeons and they make good money. They live somewhere in New Jersey i think. They converted to Christianity...

Well, my aunt says they give truck loads of money to these people.. the Church or whoever authorities.....

regards,
Srinivas

[auntym]

VATICAN JOINS NASA and GOVT FOR THE BIG EVENT SOON TO BE ANNOUNCED to the WORLD! [/color]


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The VATICAN is now preparing us for the BIG MESSAGE the GOVERNMENT and NASA are planning to announce soon. This is in anticipation to more ' DISCLOSURE and SHOCKING ' NEWS soon to be released little by little.

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