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Post by auntym on Apr 17, 2011 11:00:31 GMT -6
www.ufocasebook.com/mag/041811.html The Winifreda CE-3 (Argentina, 1983)CE-3 at Winifreda: Julio Platner’s Experience (1983)Published: 3:21 PM 4/14/2011 By Nestor Berlanda Courtesy of Carlos Iurchuk – El Dragón Invisible It was sheer fate that caused us to be the first research group to have direct access to Julio Platner’s eyewitness account. At that time we had a group that we had formed in the year 1976, known as I.V.E. (Investigacion Vida Extraterrestre – Alien Life Investigation) – a pompous name if there ever as, since we sought no less than to research extraterrestrial life when there is no concrete evidence that such exists on other planets, even when common sense dictates the contrary, and when it is silly to think that we are the only living beings in the Universe. But the name merely followed the “fashion” of the Seventies: UFOs could be nothing else but spaceships, and if they were spaceships, they had to be alien. So anyone hoping to research UFOs was in fact investigating interplanetary spacecraft. While some researchers still remain anchored to the ETH, nowadays we think that UFOs may be something other than the aforementioned ETH. One of the groups with which we maintained contact through correspondence – specifically the first group that we got in touch with – was in the city of San Lorenzo and went by P.O.C.I.F.E., formed by two young researchers who would go on to become good friends: today they are the psychologist Oscar Alemmano and Juan Acevedo, with whom we have worked on the abduction phenomenon for some years now. In those years, we had the healthy custom, which we fortunately have not lost, of performing visits to those locations where the enigma appeared to have rooted itself, whether as UFOs, strange stories or the remnants of ancient cultures. Around that time – July 1983 – part of the group had planned a journey to Cerros Colorados, a locale in Argentina’s Cordoba Province with a wealth of cave art. Upon returning, they heard through the media of the Julio Platner case, and we had the good luck of reaching the scene of the events only 3 days after his experience. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2011 12:44:27 GMT -6
Very interesting story.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2011 13:46:09 GMT -6
Why do people make the leap that they are interplanetary spacecraft? Was a memo sent out from ET's that I never saw? They say the spacecraft was definitely alien. Alien by definition in Websters means..unusual or foreign...so anything unidentifiable pretty much fits that category. Maybe space craft are coming from other planets..that is one possible answer but why do they overlook other possibilities? Anyone?
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Post by skywalker on Apr 17, 2011 17:04:13 GMT -6
Maybe it's because alien space craft coming from other planets has been the prevailing way of thinking for the past century or more. It's not going to change overnight.
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Post by lois on Apr 17, 2011 17:12:41 GMT -6
Betty Hill stated what she encounter was from another planet from a different solar system.. Even drew the solar system.... Did they lie to Betty? And half the others who say they were given the same information..
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Post by skywalker on Apr 17, 2011 17:38:16 GMT -6
Maybe they are coming from both outer space and other diminsions, and a few other places we haven't even begun to imsgine. We are still dealing with an unexplained phenomenon after all. They could be coming from the inside of a Cracker Jack box for all we know. I still like the other planet idea personally. I guess I'm just old fashioned that way.
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Post by lois on Apr 17, 2011 18:41:20 GMT -6
This phenomena sounds like what happen to my sister.. She came out of a movie theater in Berkeley California and started walking home.. It was several blocks away.. It was about 9:30 pm. All of a sudden a green light came down over her. As she walked it never left her.. She gazed at the sky, but only seen a green beam shooting up above her about 60 feet, no object. This continued all the way home.. When she walked fast it went fast right along with her, like it had a hold of her and would not let go..
Once she made it to her steps she ran into the front lobby of the building. Said it was standing still out side the door.. When she got up to the second floor she looked out and it just wink out. She never told any authorities, but she called my Mother long distance within a few days and told her. My Mother called me and said "Lois it was a green floodlight.. like what you seen a few months ago". I keep asking her why could she not see the object?
I guess instead of blocking out part of the craft like I witnessed, the beings made themselves invisible.. She paid no attention to time.. Which she should have as she knew when the movie had let out... One time while home for a visit, we discussed it.. Then nothing more was ever said but once one Christmas eve.. The family was all together. I over heard her telling my sisters daughter who was about 18 years old.. I did not get into the conversation. I never talked about what I experienced to the entire family. I mean there was 50 of us that night..
She is now 82 years old .. What happen to her was about 40 years ago when she was a secretary for the Dean at Berkeley College..She would never make such a story up..
We talk on the phone now and then but ufos are never mentioned..
Maybe I should of posted this on my own thread.. I never even thought too.. Or have I done so.. lol post and not sure what and when or where?
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Post by skywalker on Apr 17, 2011 18:46:30 GMT -6
I bet if you were to ask everybody in your family a lot of them would have some UFO experiences to tell. Maybe you should ask them sometime.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2011 22:29:28 GMT -6
Yeah Lois..I truly do think they lie, deceive, manipulate and misdirect as well as plant information in whichever direction they want it to go. I think we can't assume anything about them Contactee's have been given dates when they say they will be visible or even landing..never have so far. I think it's misdirection. Showing Betty Hill a 'star map' maybe pointed people in a direction they would rather them think in...not necessarily a true one. Coming from other planets is something we could identify with..we've been exposed to an assortment of science fiction books and movies: Edgar Rice Burrough's Mars series, War of the Worlds, My Favorite Martian, Mork and Mindy (God help us if they're from Ork) and many many more sources of 'friendly' visitors from other planets..including bugs bunny cartoons. I just don't think it's that simple but (in case they're listening in) I up for being proven wrong
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Post by lois on Apr 17, 2011 23:08:48 GMT -6
I really don't believe all the witnesses see the same visitors. They all seem to copy one another in my opinion.. Maybe they are all villans. Or maybe some are just not ready for contact. Once a survey from TV.. told there were 52 species, they had all the witnesses drawings. 90 percent of them was only seen once.. Why? Half of them resembled what we would consider some kind of animal form of life..I mean furry like the Grimlen movie with hoofs for feet.. Any believe about an alien is a wild guess.
I never seen one after all my experiences..if all these experiences were with a visitor from some where not of this world why would I not have had one single dream of it..or them. I have had a couple with a ufo involved.. but never visual contact in a dream of any being .. Not even a cloud of smoke or a ghost encounter.
I do know I had dreams of as a child something from the sky might be after me and I hid in the bushes, what did it mean. Or where did that idea come from.. the two beings that resembed astrounats? I did see a being I guess, but it was covered head and all. It could of looked like anything with two arms and two legs..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 10:01:52 GMT -6
If they were questions easily answered, no one would be looking for answers in forums ;D Looking at space travel, I think it would be daunting for any species and some that have been 'seen' wouldn't be very physically constructed to build or fly space ships. First..you have to have a consistent propulsion system and if you're going to be traveling a long time you might want to develop some artificial gravity. There are physical and logistics considerations too. If it's hard on human bones it probably would be to the skeletons of other species too..they'd have to find a way around that. Given that they may know how to bend space or they have wormholes in their pockets..how do they know where they're going? "Hey Bob..lets mosey over to Earth today and abduct us a few just to shake them up". How did they find us? Unless their home worlds are in peril why send out exploratory teams? Food, minerals, land or other resources? I think you might have to have good reasons for far travel and their good reasons might not be so good for us. So now..instead of one group going through all of that to find earth there are over 50? That's just not so easy for me to see. But if they were closer...slipping through parallel universes or dimensions..then if you had the secret of opening a door your travel might only take a matter of hours or minutes and the headaches of gravity, propulsion and distance might not be so daunting. My other question would be why monkey around with the natives at all? According to reports it's not one type (they grey's) abducting people its many different types but the overall 'examination' remains the same. This means they have some common agenda? They all got together and said..lets go abduct earthlings. We'll poke and prod them..terrify them a wee bit then sit back and watch them scurry like ants trying to figure out why? That's why I can see dimensional travel or travel from parallel worlds (zip around the corner) and possibly only one alien race manipulating people into 'seeing' many different types just to breed healthy confusion. At any rate..I know that one day I'll know the answers (might have to be dead to be clued in) but someday I know we'll know..then it's probably not going to matter LOL
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 14:53:04 GMT -6
If they were questions easily answered, no one would be looking for answers in forums ;D Looking at space travel, I think it would be daunting for any species and some that have been 'seen' wouldn't be very physically constructed to build or fly space ships. First..you have to have a consistent propulsion system and if you're going to be traveling a long time you might want to develop some artificial gravity. There are physical and logistics considerations too. If it's hard on human bones it probably would be to the skeletons of other species too..they'd have to find a way around that. Given that they may know how to bend space or they have wormholes in their pockets..how do they know where they're going? "Hey Bob..lets mosey over to Earth today and abduct us a few just to shake them up". How did they find us? Unless their home worlds are in peril why send out exploratory teams? Food, minerals, land or other resources? I think you might have to have good reasons for far travel and their good reasons might not be so good for us. So now..instead of one group going through all of that to find earth there are over 50? That's just not so easy for me to see. But if they were closer...slipping through parallel universes or dimensions..then if you had the secret of opening a door your travel might only take a matter of hours or minutes and the headaches of gravity, propulsion and distance might not be so daunting. My other question would be why monkey around with the natives at all? According to reports it's not one type (they grey's) abducting people its many different types but the overall 'examination' remains the same. This means they have some common agenda? They all got together and said..lets go abduct earthlings. We'll poke and prod them..terrify them a wee bit then sit back and watch them scurry like ants trying to figure out why? That's why I can see dimensional travel or travel from parallel worlds (zip around the corner) and possibly only one alien race manipulating people into 'seeing' many different types just to breed healthy confusion. At any rate..I know that one day I'll know the answers (might have to be dead to be clued in) but someday I know we'll know..then it's probably not going to matter LOL ;D
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