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Post by satansrini on May 2, 2011 8:41:13 GMT -6
Please do make an effort and support your answer for the benefit of everyone's knowledge building.
regards, Srinivas
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 10:13:41 GMT -6
People..will believe as they want to believe proof or not and if they are determined to see conspiracies they will. I believe we landed on the moon. An impressive piece of evidence to me is the video of the astronaut dropping a hammer and a feather and seeing them drop at the same speed but the chief reasons for me are that we were not the only one tracking..other countries and private astronomers were also. Urls I visited are on the bottom 1) Characteristics of the numerous videos required 1/6 Earth gravity and near-vacuum environment, including behaviour of the flags. 2) Rockets went up; rockets that crew had been witnessed being loaded into. 3) Apollo capsules were tracked leaving Earth orbit; not just by NASA, but by numerous observatories. 4) Telemetry; tracked not just by NASA and US allies, but by the Soviet Union. 5) Moon rocks; clearly not of this planet, and showing signs of having been selected deliberately by humans in a deliberate survey. We're talking hundreds of kilograms of them, too. Compositionally similar to those retrieved by the Soviet unmanned probes. 6) THOUSANDS of contractors and NASA staff who are positive that they were making/launching vessels to go to the moon... more than who can be bought off indefinitely or kept silent by threat indefinitely (particularly as they reach the end of their natural lifespans). 7) Evidence of landing sights, confirmed not just by NASA's LCROSS, but Japan's SELENE, but the EU's SMART-1 probe. 8) Retroreflectors positioned on the moon, used constantly to make laser-measurements of the distance between the Earth and the Moon. 9) Correlation between UV camera footage from Apollo 16 and the later EU TD-1 satellite. "newscientist.com — NASA's newly launched Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has snapped images of hardware left on the moon by the Apollo astronauts, striking a blow against conspiracy theories that the landings were a hoax. Sep 9, 2009" www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htmonemansblog.com/2007/02/23/proof-that-man-landed-on-the-moon/
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Post by satansrini on May 2, 2011 10:35:46 GMT -6
I am ok with everything else. Its when it comes to Van Allen Radiation Belt - thats where I have my doubts.
Now i don't claim to understand 100% of it. But from what i understand, that is pretty dangerous zone and people who leave orbit and go towards moon are exposed to it long term.
They say, what the astronauts wear does not even come close to a semi-protective clothing against whats out there.
Regards, Srinivas
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Post by paulette on May 2, 2011 10:52:45 GMT -6
I think there were too many eyes on the project (and radar tracking etc) for it to be staged. As for the radiation - I imagine that the astronauts are carrying a higher level of radiation in their bodies. THAT sort of info might be covered up - as the demineralization of the bones of the orbiting scientists probably is..
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 11:43:33 GMT -6
That's what I figure Paulette..the 'cover up' is probably the level of radiation exposure not the landing.
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Post by satansrini on May 2, 2011 12:29:49 GMT -6
ok.. this is funny........i watched these videos a long time ago...Just in case some of you did not, I am just sharing. Enjoy!!
Neil Armstrong:
Buzz Aldrin:
Edgar Mitchell:
A few others:
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by paulette on May 2, 2011 20:58:40 GMT -6
Jeez - why didn't they swear? I swore to tell the truth in court and the Bible isn't even my holy book (its A holy book and I respect that...I would have sworn on the Torah or Koran).
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Post by skywalker on May 2, 2011 22:13:01 GMT -6
I liked the one where Buzz punched the guy in the face. That was cool. ;D
I believe they walked on the Moon simply because they could. They had the technology and the capability so why wouldn't they do it? We've been to the bottom of the ocean, we've climbed the highest mountain, we've visited the North and South poles and sent probes to Mars...did we fake all of that too?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2011 0:42:28 GMT -6
Too much telemetry..too many people tracking..for it to be a fake I think..you're right..we had the technology so why not? I imagine a lot of men would volunteer to go into space even if the price was a bit too much radiation.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2011 3:24:39 GMT -6
A lot of foreigners like to believe that we really didn't do what we did because it makes them feel less inferior to us. That is why this rumor got started in the first place methinks.
The fact of the matter is: We did it first. They can smirk and say we didn't do it because it makes them feel better about themselves.
America has changed the entire world, both with her technology, her weapons, and her philosophy on government and economies. That is why English is now the most predominant language on the Earth when it was only a language spoken by common "peasants" a couple hundred years ago.
America has changed and improved the entire world!
Who invented the method of harnessing electricity? An American.
Who invented the telegraph? An American.
Who invented the telephone? An American.
Who came up with the concept of the assembly line? An American.
Who invented the airplane? An American.
Where would the world be now if it wasn't for these inventions? Life would not be the same. Life would be much more difficult. We would probably still be using carrier pigeons and the pony express to send messages over long distances.
And we landed on the moon first too.
~nods~
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Post by satansrini on May 3, 2011 8:56:09 GMT -6
Ok.... I did, do and will realize this is predominantly an American board (the forum). It is my mistake, perhaps - I should have simply said "did the group of people really land on moon". But there is no way I can edit that now. I really do admire the patriotism and I totally understand that. I assure you Lorelei and any one else might feel that this is about America - that it is NOT. I would have asked the same question if it was India that faced the same conspiracy. I find it amusing though, that for once people are ready to believe what the govt. has said, because it is tied with a sense of accomplishment and pride. The same govt. is not looked upon with similar kindness and loyalty when it comes to matters of supposed cover ups. Please... I was just trying to objectively look at different aspects. The 'Conspiracy Theorists' also show some work and science unlike some other cases like for example - there is a conspiracy that the US Govt. caused the 9/11 attacks. In this case, they only talk about motives without examining any factual evidence. Though this might not be to most people's (at least on this board) liking, I would still dare to offer an opinion - in this case about what was said about the USA and I am digressing from the topic in question for a bit (please do forgive me): A lot of foreigners like to believe that we really didn't do what we did because it makes them feel less inferior to us. - Are you sure? It is simply the case of plain old jealousy and an inferiority complex? Because from the sentence i see a complex of superiority Quite well founded though. The USA IS the most powerful economy in the world - no denying. From whatever little observation I have made, the economy and the nation of United States is built on core crass capitalism than ideals & principles or science & technology. Simply put - money. But thats the most important thing. USA has thrived not very much on inventions or technology but on buying power, mass production and distribution. One of the best examples is Alaska - USA purchased Alaska - a land of about 600,000 sq. miles (approx) for about $ 7 million. Why? they believed Alaska was rich in gold deposits and skinning the animalia there would help a lot of fur business. The size of the USA increased by about 15-20%. Later this also worked in their interest - lucky one can say - for USSR would have befriended Canada instead of Cuba!!! (I mean my wild guess based on whatever little strategy i can think of). One thing anyone cannot deny is the people of the country had a very very strong determination to be strong and be at the top. Ichiban (no.1 in Japanese). You also have to note that it is the country which is the first to have broken free from the European colonialist cultures - British, French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese etc. It is one of the oldest countries to follow a particular kind of regime - which gives it enough space and time to learn, grow and develop. Wars - what can we say about Wars? Very few times in history has the land of American people or their sense of freedom was encroached upon. Pearl Harbour in WWII and then 9/11 which is not exactly war but we can say an attack. But USA has been waging wars. I am not sure if they were forced into these wars or they forced them (im not that great with American political history - forgive me). But as dumb guy, just observing by watching TV and News Paper - this is what I have observed - most wars that America has participated in have not been waged on American soil. Even other powers like Britain were subject to this at some point. But not USA. Vietnam, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan or any other war means people are flown out of USA to wage war's in the soil of another country. Now what does this mean for growth and development? The basic sense of security is preserved. You can make films while rest of the world has stopped eating and drinking to re-construct what has been destroyed (read most of Europe post WWII). A free mind can explore ways to improve, build, develop. It is a luxury that a lot of other countries have not had. USA is different from other countries. It is mainly defined by people who inhabit within the political borders of the country - atleast that is what is in principle. You can find an Indian or a French or a German or a Japanese or a Chinese or a Russian or a Spanish or any such person in the USA. What has drawn so many people there - money. If Russians developed Sputnik and went to space first, you only had Russian's working on it + some German PoWs. Other countries are different - they have native Germans in Germany, French in France, Russians in Russia and so forth, along with other populations. Native Americans in America I heard are a rarity. Only about .7% of the population is Native American. The numbers apparently ranged between 5-10 million at which time Columbus came in (ok thats an estimate we can't verify owing to incapability of travelling in time). But Now there are about 2 million of them country wide while Caucasians are a majority - where the country is in excess of 300 million in population. So why have the Native Americans not grown in numbers? Those folks were there before the modern American even evolved right? Some reasons are mass murder (read 'wars'), epidemic diseases brought from Europe that these guys did not have immunity for. America is a force to reckon with. It is the mightiest country. I agree with you - they have played a significant role in changing the entire world like you have said. Improved? I want to think again. America has changed the entire world, both with her technology, her weapons, and her philosophy on government and economies. That is why English is now the most predominant language on the Earth when it was only a language spoken by common "peasants" a couple hundred years ago. - That is not America. That would be the Kingdom of Great Britain. This has its own down sides. You can't occupy a piece of land without resistance from those who already claim ownership - violence follows. Who invented the method of harnessing electricity? - I think that would be Benjamin Franklin? Yes an American. Edit - That would be Nikola Tesla (Naturalized American from Serbia). Who invented the telegraph? - Claude Chappe (France) - Optical Telegraph, Friedrich Clemens Gerke (German) - Electrical Telegraph, Samuel Morse (American) - Single Wire Telegraph System, Marconi (Italy) - Radio Telegraph (the basis of telephone) Who invented the telephone? - Supposedly A.G. Bell. But if we looked at the history it is kind of confusing. Actually, if we went back in time a 100 years, the way we perceive the countries now and the way we feel about them is a lot different. May be not for America - she is very old. The older you are, the more developed you are. This almost holds true for entire Human Civilization. The country broke free from Britain. The land was colonized by many including British, Spanish and French. The same colonial descendants have declared themselves independent and have been so for about 250 years. That HAS to mean something. No wonder the nation is so strong, so powerful and so great. But it still does not make it any more morally or ethically superior than others. It has more money and power. That no one denies. It does not however mean its actions throughout the course of history are always right and cannot be questioned. Good and Bad is as natural as universe itself and every one has a part on either side. Only - history is written by victors. Thank You, Srinivas
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Post by paulette on May 3, 2011 10:15:22 GMT -6
"No wonder the nation is so strong, so powerful and so great. But it still does not make it any more morally or ethically superior than others. It has more money and power. That no one denies. It does not however mean its actions throughout the course of history are always right and cannot be questioned. Good and Bad is as natural as universe itself and every one has a part on either side. Only - history is written by victors.
Thank You, Srinivas
For some reason I can't put the quotation mark behind Srinivas but its definitely his quote. And IMO he is right. It's something I'm observing in Canada as well - that defining reality is a task taken on by the victors. The American First Nations tribes were murdered - with guns, starvation and contaminated food, forced marches, alcohol poisoning....They could survive and flourish in the wilderness (and Arkansas was the site a huge farming cooperative with graineries that stored dried corn and beans and covered vast distances - much like the Mayan civilizations did). They could not survive invasion and genocide. We know nothing about most of these people except for a few journal entries and the terraforming/pyramids they build out of dirt - now under shopping centers. Every single Californian Indian was killed. There are no descendants. The Hudson's Bay company here in Canada handed out blankets from smallpox hospitals to the shivering children and the same was done in what became the USA.
Yes the USA walked on the moon and yes they have great pictures of Mars and our local sector of space. Amazing. And yes American children still are bitten by rats and die of minor diseases and old folks are uncared for in walk-in apartments, seen only by the person who (hopefully) brings them their groceries once a week. In the USA.
If I sound a little bitter today (and I do) its because this adopted country of mine (Canada) just voted in a party that had been found in contempt of Parliament for lying (and getting caught) about some huge expenses they approved without going through Parliament - for fighter planes among other things - oh - and more prisons. This party (Conservatives) didn't even change their leader and got more votes (a majority) than the last time they ran.
My old uncle (Arkansas backwoods good ole boy/deceased) used to say that the Democrats could run a hound dog and he'd get in. I think here in Canada we've proven (last night) that a party can be found in contempt of Parliamentary process and be happily voted back in.
This is where I say - we all will get what we deserve. If we celebrate Ben Laden's death as the best thing since white bread, some "dissatisfied customers" will bomb or whatever to show that they do not agree with our world view. They were wanting to anyway....
OK...I've totally gone off the rails here. Surprised how strong I feel about all this. All this is IN MY OPINION. This is not anti-American it is anti-unthinking Americans.
Here's what I've been doing every time I hear the name Ben Laden: "May his soul be at peace." And everytime the (I can't spell it) Al-Quida is mentioned: "May his following find peace." It's my own little attempt at chilling the hotheads of the world down. Including myself.
To the moderator: Take this off if you want. I'm hitting the post reply button...
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Post by satansrini on May 3, 2011 13:16:35 GMT -6
Ok..watch these when you have time:
The guy from NASA offers just words and rhetoric. Nothing else.
regards, Srinivas
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Post by skywalker on May 3, 2011 13:56:18 GMT -6
The moderator is not taking anything off, paulette. Everybody is entitled to express their opinion. That is what freedom of speech is all about. Freedom of speech, freedom of expression...even freedom in general. This is what I think some people are misunderstanding about the United States. It is not capitalism or money that makes the United States a great country. It isn't conquest or war or victory either. It's freedom. The people here in America have the freedom to live life the way they choose to do so without a lot of rules and restrictions being placed upon them by the government. We have the freedom to come up with an idea and put it into action without some bureaucrat telling us we can't do it. We have the freedom to take these ideas and develop them in ways that allow us to make a profit, without some King or Emperor taxing all of our money away from us. This is why the US is so successful. It's not because the people here are better than the people in other countries. People are people...it doesn't matter where they come from or what they look like. People all over the world have the same wants and needs, the same hopes and dreams...we are all the same when it comes right down to it. We all want to achieve success, just some people in some countries have a better opportunity to do so. America is nicknamed the land of opportunity. What that means is that people here have the opportunity to succeed to the best of their ability. That is not a guarantee of success. It just means that it can happen if somebody works hard and behaves responsibly. Anybody in this country has the potential to become wealthy. People in many other countries don't have that opportunity because their governments take their wealth away from them. When that happens it discourages people from working hard and being innovative. Many of the best ideas are never put into action simply because the government will not allow them to be. A perfect illustration of this is Leonardo da Vinci. This man was a genius. In addition to the many unbelievable works of art that he created he also developed models of a steam engine, a steam-powered automobile, a helicopter and an airplane. This was several hundred years before the industrial revolution of the 1800s and his ideas could have revolutionized the world...if he had been allowed to put those ideas into action. Unfortunately he wasn't allowed to because the government officials at that time decided that steam-powered machines and equipment were nothing more than toys that were a waste of time. That's why da Vinci was never allowed to build them as anything more than models. The same thing almost happened in the modern era as well. When the automobile was first invented legislators in the United States actually considered banning them because they were loud, dangerous, and scary to the horses that most people rode at that time. When the airplane was invented it was also almost outlawed by politicians in Washington because they did not see how it would ever have any practical purpose. If these politicians had been allowed to make those decisions we would probably still be riding horses and buggies today. Luckily, we had the freedom and opportunity to make those cars and planes and then find practical uses for them. It was this same spirit of innovation and free-thinking that allowed us to put a man on the Moon. Freedom, liberty, opportunity...that is where the greatness of the United States truly lies, and the only reason we have those things is because we have a constitution and a system of government that puts limitations on the government instead of the people. It is corrupt, abusive governments that are controlled by power-hungry politicians that cause most of the problems in the world. All of the wars, the bloodshed, the torture chambers and concentration camps...all of the horrors of Nazi Germany and the holocaust, or Stalin and the Great Purge in the Soviet Union...even the smallpox laced blankets that were handed out to the Native Americans...those abuses were all perpetuated by governments. This is exactly why the power of government needs to be limited. People have the capability to do some amazing things when they are allowed to do them. Putting people on the Moon was one of those things. In my opinion that is one of the greatest achievements mankind has ever accomplished. It's not just an American accomplishment, but one that people all over the world should celebrate. It is things like this that show what humans are capable of. If we can come up with a way to leave our home planet, fly up into the vast emptiness of outer space, land on a tiny little round rock hundreds of thousands of miles away and then return safely to our own planet...If we can do something like that than we can do anything. All we have to do is put our hearts and minds into it and work together and there is no obstacle that we can not overcome...as long as we have the freedom to do so.
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Post by satansrini on May 3, 2011 14:45:07 GMT -6
People have the capability to do some amazing things when they are allowed to do them. Putting people on the Moon was one of those things. In my opinion that is one of the greatest achievements mankind has ever accomplished. It's not just an American accomplishment, but one that people all over the world should celebrate. It is things like this that show what humans are capable of. If we can come up with a way to leave our home planet, fly up into the vast emptiness of outer space, land on a tiny little round rock hundreds of thousands of miles away and then return safely to our own planet...If we can do something like that than we can do anything. All we have to do is put our hearts and minds into it and work together and there is no obstacle that we can not overcome...as long as we have the freedom to do so. Totally agree.. which is why it is said "Man on the Moon"... to denote mankind in general! I would be proud of it too. If it happened at all that is.... I take generally the same stance with everything else... UFOs, Abductions, Secret Govt. Agencies and so on. My position is "i don't know".. I was taught in School these things.. it was in my 5th Class if i remember right.. 1. Yuri Gagarin is the First Man in Space 2. Rakesh Sharma is the first Indian in Space 3. Neil Armstrong is the first man on Moon. In that order I was taught (not chronologically though).. Now.. As I grow up and feed myself with stuff like 5 links posted above, I am not sure whats true. regards, Srinivas
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Post by paulette on May 3, 2011 14:50:08 GMT -6
OK - I watched the whole thing (and I watched it on TV in the original broadcast). The last statements are - in 4 years the Japanese will land a craft on the moon (and any previous debris should show up). The date on the documentary above is 2001. Did they land a craft? I don't remember any such event. Did the USA convince them not to? We ant-people will never know. I liked some points - where ARE the stars? Why isn't it solid with stars - like it is when one goes even to the top of a mountain and looks up? Did the flag really flap - I don't remember that part at all. Why does the dust come down so fast when they walk around - I've seen more floaty snow on earth - at earth gravity? Where is that dust that should settle gently? Very interesting Srinivas.
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Post by satansrini on May 3, 2011 15:01:03 GMT -6
OK - I watched the whole thing (and I watched it on TV in the original broadcast). The last statements are - in 4 years the Japanese will land a craft on the moon (and any previous debris should show up). The date on the documentary above is 2001. Did they land a craft? I don't remember any such event. Did the USA convince them not to? We ant-people will never know. I liked some points - where ARE the stars? Why isn't it solid with stars - like it is when one goes even to the top of a mountain and looks up? Did the flag really flap - I don't remember that part at all. Why does the dust come down so fast when they walk around - I've seen more floaty snow on earth - at earth gravity? Where is that dust that should settle gently? Very interesting Srinivas. Yep It is Esp. the Van Allen Radiation Belt thing. The one this i did not understand in the whole videos is the point where they bring up Cross Hairs. Thats something I couldn't understand what they were getting at. Your observations, puff of dust and all they did not mention in that programme. But good observation There are quire a few questions. The guy who is defending - the bald headed NASA guy just talk English. Plain rhetoric. At last he says "we went to the moon.. end of story"!!! No im not aware of any Lunar Landing by Japan. There was a Japanese one sent in 2007 but crashed. They are also probably scared of the radiation and the viability. The Indians (we) have also been planning a lunar mission named - Chandrayaan-2 (meaning journey to moon) due in 2013. The Chandrayan-1 was in 2008. They say "india is the 4th courntry to plant a Flag there". Chandrayan-1 hit the south pole of moon apparently. The orbiter made 3000 orbits and took 70000 images, which is apparently a record. It even discovered water on moon, identified some caves and so on. Got pictures of the far side of the moon too. But it wasn't interested in taking a picture of the American Base and the American Flag for even the sake of curiosity. I mean 3000 orbits.. 70000+ pictures...COME ON............... Ok, I am logical enough that may be the 'one small step for man' can't be photoed again.. Regards, Srinivas
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Post by Steve on May 3, 2011 18:31:19 GMT -6
Never took conspiracy theories seriously whether man landed on the Moon or not. It happened! Man landed on the Moon and returned numerous times safely (even Apollo 13 - which NASA called a 'successful failure'.)
I have listened & listened to these conspiracy clowns at Mufon meetings. They should turn such meetings into 'cynics anonymous'. They will never be convinced of anything, just seek fellow cynics to perpetuate their delusion. Another reason why I resigned from Mufon - that local chapter hosting such idiots for speakers. Unless that was the real purpose at such meetings to discredit any serious research.
walked up to one conspiracy nut after such a meeting to thank them for their talk, such as it was - still trying (difficult as it was) to respect their viewpoint. They got paranoid with me standing too close waiting for a polite moment to thank them. I think they are disillusioned disinformation prone very depressed people. Leave the rest of us alone while we try to solve something please. I need no further proof they finally got Ben Laden either, I can trust my President to that extent.
Amen Buzz! Hit'm once more for me. Thank you from all the rest of us.
Steve
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Post by casper on May 3, 2011 19:12:42 GMT -6
Hit him for me too Buzz! Knock him up to the moon so he can walk on it! He can be the first skeptic on the moon. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2011 19:40:52 GMT -6
I agree Steve. I get so tired of people inventing conspiracies. Fox news sold that one to the public and they 'sold' the alien autopsy ..swearing all the time it was real..when it was found to be concocted in a basement. Brave men and women risk their lives and the greedy come along and try to take away the achievement. Why is it easier to believe in good guy annuki aliens from across the galaxy than it is to believe our own people walked on the moon? (for those who hadn't heard the story) www.livescience.com/742-story-alien-autopsy-hoax.html
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Post by skywalker on May 3, 2011 21:22:19 GMT -6
I really shouldn't spend a bunch of time debunking a debunker but I would just like to point out a few flaws in the skeptics arguments. First of all they claim that the flag was flapping in the breeze which proves that wind was blowing. The only time I saw the flag flapping was when the astronauts were handling it and moving it around. In the videos where the flag is off by itself it is perfectly still. Did the wind suddenly decide to cooperate and stop blowing whenever they were not touching the flag? Also they claim that these photos and videos were taken on a movie set in a hanger. Why would there be wind blowing inside of a hanger? Second they claim that there was no blast crater underneath the Lunar Lander, but the lander was not blasting off as it was coming in for a landing. It was using very small jets on the outer edges of it to control its decent so there would not be any huge crater in the center. The skeptics also pointed out that the sound of the engines would be deafening as the lander was coming in for a landing and they claim that it would have drowned out the astronauts voices. I would like to point out that there is no sound in space because sound does not travel in a vacuum. The astronauts voices were being broadcast on radio...the engine obviously wasn't. The skeptics pointed out that the photos must all be fakes because there appears to be two different light sources illuminating the astronauts and the landing site making details stand out even in the shadows. They claim that the only light source up there was the sun. Have they forgotten about the Earth? The Earth reflects sunlight just the same as the Moon does and since it is many, many times bigger than the Moon the light reflecting off of it would be many times brighter than moonlight that is visible here on Earth. Could that be why there are two light sources? These skeptics make things too easy. The conspiracy theorists were complaining that no stars were visible in the sky in any of the pictures taken while on the Moon. They claim that this is proof that the photos were taken inside of a building. Here is a picture of the Earth taken from a modern satellite that is stationed in space. Notice how there are no stars visible? Here's one from the ISS. Notice how there are no stars in the black sky? Does that mean that all photos from the space station and all of our satellites are fakes just because there are no stars visible? The skeptics also claim that there is no evidence that we ever landed on the Moon. They demand to be shown recent photos of the landing sites so they can see if there is any equipment left behind on the Moon's surface. Here is a video showing some recent photos of the Apollo 11 landing site taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter that was launched in June of 2009. As you can see the Lunar lander is still there. Here are pictures of the other Apollo landing sites, also showing plenty of equipment scattered all over the place. I suppose they think all of those photos are faked also. The skeptics claim that since none of the astronauts would swear on a Bible that they walked on the Moon that it proves that they did not do it, but at the same time they also claim that these same astronauts have been lying for the past forty years. If they were engaged in such an elaborate hoax that cost tens of billions of dollars and caused many people to be murdered and was of such huge importance that it was necessary to fool the entire world by lying repeatedly about everything, wouldn't they also be willing to lie one more time? If I were an astronaut I wouldn't waste my time with these idiot conspiracy theorist skeptical debunkers either. I would probably punch them just like good ol' Buzz did. I am only a writer though, so the only punches I can throw are with the words that I write. Personally, I think I just beat the crap out of them.
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Post by satansrini on May 3, 2011 21:57:36 GMT -6
I really shouldn't spend a bunch of time debunking a debunker but I would just like to point out a few flaws in the skeptics arguments. First of all they claim that the flag was flapping in the breeze which proves that wind was blowing. The only time I saw the flag flapping was when the astronauts were handling it and moving it around. In the videos where the flag is off by itself it is perfectly still. Did the wind suddenly decide to cooperate and stop blowing whenever they were not touching the flag? Also they claim that these photos and videos were taken on a movie set in a hanger. Why would there be wind blowing inside of a hanger? Second they claim that there was no blast crater underneath the Lunar Lander, but the lander was not blasting off as it was coming in for a landing. It was using very small jets on the outer edges of it to control its decent so there would not be any huge crater in the center. The skeptics also pointed out that the sound of the engines would be deafening as the lander was coming in for a landing and they claim that it would have drowned out the astronauts voices. I would like to point out that there is no sound in space because sound does not travel in a vacuum. The astronauts voices were being broadcast on radio...the engine obviously wasn't. The skeptics pointed out that the photos must all be fakes because there appears to be two different light sources illuminating the astronauts and the landing site making details stand out even in the shadows. They claim that the only light source up there was the sun. Have they forgotten about the Earth? The Earth reflects sunlight just the same as the Moon does and since it is many, many times bigger than the Moon the light reflecting off of it would be many times brighter than moonlight that is visible here on Earth. Could that be why there are two light sources? These skeptics make things too easy. The conspiracy theorists were complaining that no stars were visible in the sky in any of the pictures taken while on the Moon. They claim that this is proof that the photos were taken inside of a building. Here is a picture of the Earth taken from a modern satellite that is stationed in space. Notice how there are no stars visible? Here's one from the ISS. Notice how there are no stars in the black sky? Does that mean that all photos from the space station and all of our satellites are fakes just because there are no stars visible? The skeptics also claim that there is no evidence that we ever landed on the Moon. They demand to be shown recent photos of the landing sites so they can see if there is any equipment left behind on the Moon's surface. Here is a video showing some recent photos of the Apollo 11 landing site taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter that was launched in June of 2009. As you can see the Lunar lander is still there. Here are pictures of the other Apollo landing sites, also showing plenty of equipment scattered all over the place. I suppose they think all of those photos are faked also. The skeptics claim that since none of the astronauts would swear on a Bible that they walked on the Moon that it proves that they did not do it, but at the same time they also claim that these same astronauts have been lying for the past forty years. If they were engaged in such an elaborate hoax that cost tens of billions of dollars and caused many people to be murdered and was of such huge importance that it was necessary to fool the entire world by lying repeatedly about everything, wouldn't they also be willing to lie one more time? If I were an astronaut I wouldn't waste my time with these idiot conspiracy theorist skeptical debunkers either. I would probably punch them just like good ol' Buzz did. I am only a writer though, so the only punches I can throw are with the words that I write. Personally, I think I just beat the crap out of them. AWESOME.............sky! Now we are talking. THIS is what i wanted..
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 2:57:46 GMT -6
Paluette: (I'm getting on my soapbox now too ;D)
Every single human on the face of this Earth has violent tendencies. Not just white people. It makes me angry when people talk about the horrible things white people have done. Like... everything is always the fault of white people. It makes me angrier than anything, because this is a racist statement against ME.
Native Americans killed each other too you know before white people came here. They were not always as harmonious as many people like to believe and fantasize. People kill each other. Rival tribes war with each other. This is what has happened on every single continent... whether perpetrated by white people or not. War happens. Tribes of people get wiped out because of genocide. It happened in Europe to Germanic barbarians. It happened in Asia. It has happened all over the world... and unfortunately will probably continue to happen.
People are mean. Don't believe me? Work in customer service for a few hours. It doesn't matter if they are "First Nation" people or not. White, Black, Asian, whatever. They're all mean. And they're all capable of doing atrocious things... especially if they're in a bad mood.
~folds arms across her chest~
I admit, these things are bad.. but EVERYONE does bad things. Not just white people. Not just Americans.
By the way, most of the black slaves who were brought on ships to America were already slaves. They were not kidnapped or captured by white people as some like to believe. They were SOLD by rival tribes who had captured them as slaves. They were already slaves... to other Africans. Just thought I'd throw this in there because that's another thing that makes me very angry.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 9:26:34 GMT -6
We all have violent tendencies..it's what we do with them that elevates us from the monkeys..so to speak. We have that freedom of choice..freedom NOT to pass our bad day on to others..freedom NOT to kill. Sometimes..it's a matter of where you are standing. To thousands of Japanese living on Nagasaki or Hiroshima..the Americans were the terrorists. To us..our nemisis Al Qaeda. To the Irish..the British. Atrocities for the American Indian and the Jewish people and the Gypsy, thousands slaughtered in African nations.... Mexicans killed by drug lords...Of course it isn't just us. The Middle East has been war torn for centuries..we cannot get along with ourselves. People make choices that kill people..what else is there to say? Is it worse when it happens to us? It's worse when it happens wherever you live...when it becomes personal. Back in the day..it was cavemen beating each other over the head with rocks and bones...today..it's nukes and simi automatics..we've come far..in the fields of hurting one another. You didn't do it..I didn't do it but someone is making very bad choices in our name. Can you see it ending?
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Post by paulette on May 4, 2011 10:42:29 GMT -6
Lorelei and Jokelly - I agree with you both. I suppose my concern is that we present ourselves (us North American mostly white people) as rational and god-loving and doing what is BEST for other populations in other parts of the world (THEIR parts of the world). Someone is, as jokelly said above, making very bad choices in [my] name.
Do I see it ending? Ahhhhh. That is the big question. I see humanity ending - but I don't want to give that any energy because I love life and I love the life shining brightly in my children and husband's grandchild. And other people's children and grandchildren (no matter what color they are or where they live.) I'd like to think we can be knocked into sensibility and like many here IMO I think that the public arrival of visitors from space - on TV and in the White House and in the Kremlin and the mosques ....might do that. It would have to be that big a mind stopper...
Lorelei, if I happened to be not-white, I'd probably be on it about the wrongs of whoever I happened to be born next to. But I do think that there is a "white man's burden" in that we North Americans have the money to go meddle elsewhere - build giant polluting mines, make war over oil, warp existing populations to do our bidding - both by force and by ads and Coca Cola and cigarettes.
People are mean. They also are capable of acts of incredible courtesy and generosity - to the point of giving up their own lives for strangers. That is the enigma of being human IMO.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 14:35:01 GMT -6
We absolutely have that Cain/Abel thing going in humanity.. Boils down I suppose to what you keep in your heart and understandings of right and wrong. I do think we should keep the US to the US and stop trying to run the entire world. Might make a difference to our own homeless and hungry.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2011 3:01:05 GMT -6
People are mean. They also are capable of acts of incredible courtesy and generosity - to the point of giving up their own lives for strangers. That is the enigma of being human IMO. Very true... I do agree with that. But I am a pessimist. I tend to see the bad over the good. We absolutely have that Cain/Abel thing going in humanity.. Boils down I suppose to what you keep in your heart and understandings of right and wrong. I do think we should keep the US to the US and stop trying to run the entire world. Might make a difference to our own homeless and hungry. I agree. This is the mistake the Romans made when THEY tried to rule the "world" as they knew it. The vast expanses were too vast... there were too many unwilling persons... the money ran out. That is part of the reason why Rome fell. Another reason is their economy failed, mostly because the Roman citizens (very much like Americans in present day IMO) believed they "needed" things which were not necessary. They bought expensive spices from the far east, silks, exotic pets from Africa etc. Things which were very very expensive which they did not really need. This caused their economy to collapse. (Computers, fancy cars made in Asia, Smart Phones etc.) Basically: all of their money was going to other parts of the world and making everyone rich but them. After their economy collapsed, they started fighting one another. Sound familiar? With the Romans, it was religion... back when they started killing Christians and all of that. With us, it's politics. Finally, the straw that broke the camel's back was an invasion from a rival "nation": the Goths. They saw the calamity which had befallen the Roman Empire, and decided they were going to attack them and take their stuff... which is exactly what they did and the Romans couldn't stop them because of their economy and peril. Right now, North Korea is looking at us like the Goths looked at Rome. Right now, China is looking at us like the Goths looked at Rome. Right now, Russia is looking at us like the Goths looked at Rome. And nobody pays any attention to this danger. I really think people SHOULD pay attention to this... history has been known to repeat itself... but everyone seems to be too arrogant to invite this possibility into their thoughts and philosophies... just like the mentality of the Romans... right up until the very end...
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Post by casper on May 5, 2011 19:25:24 GMT -6
Are we still talking about the moon?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 1:49:40 GMT -6
Are we still talking about the moon? We are now. ;D
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Post by satansrini on May 6, 2011 9:36:00 GMT -6
Paluette: (I'm getting on my soapbox now too ;D) Every single human on the face of this Earth has violent tendencies. Not just white people. It makes me angry when people talk about the horrible things white people have done. Like... everything is always the fault of white people. It makes me angrier than anything, because this is a racist statement against ME. Native Americans killed each other too you know before white people came here. They were not always as harmonious as many people like to believe and fantasize. People kill each other. Rival tribes war with each other. This is what has happened on every single continent... whether perpetrated by white people or not. War happens. Tribes of people get wiped out because of genocide. It happened in Europe to Germanic barbarians. It happened in Asia. It has happened all over the world... and unfortunately will probably continue to happen. People are mean. Don't believe me? Work in customer service for a few hours. It doesn't matter if they are "First Nation" people or not. White, Black, Asian, whatever. They're all mean. And they're all capable of doing atrocious things... especially if they're in a bad mood. ~folds arms across her chest~ I admit, these things are bad.. but EVERYONE does bad things. Not just white people. Not just Americans. By the way, most of the black slaves who were brought on ships to America were already slaves. They were not kidnapped or captured by white people as some like to believe. They were SOLD by rival tribes who had captured them as slaves. They were already slaves... to other Africans. Just thought I'd throw this in there because that's another thing that makes me very angry. Dear Lorelei, I did not reply to this for quite some time because this - the above response - sort of put me off. It is a tad hurting. But I would like to close this and hence responding. We all understand bad things are done by everyone. Its not like it is news to anyone. I worked in Customer Service for 2 1/2 years. I know what it is like. If you play poker online, you would know partypoker.com. Its not in USA anymore. I just forget about the person yelling at me after he has hung up. They say bad things even about my mother and my father and my race and my being Indian. I never held it against them. My job was to provide Service and as long as I did that to my satisfaction thats what mattered. I don't even remember the guys who yelled at me and likewise they - me. You live for i don't know.. 25000 days or something. The time we spend with such people, 10 min or 30 mins or an hr hardly, is infinitesmally small to ruin your mood or determine your actions which in turn impact your life. Thats my take anyways. Its not just Native Americans, people kill each other and fight regardless of who they are. Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler were all white weren't they? That is not the point i was making. Please do not hold me responsible for your interpretations. If i said anything that was about America - in my observations - and I have given statistics. It is not about White People or any other race. I am sorry if you got that message. If using the mere word indicates racist tendencies, then probably we should remove it from the dictionary. I WOULD LIKE TO TENDER MY UNCONDITIONAL APOLOGY if I you felt I had talked anything about your race (since you said you personally take offense). I did not mean to and those words acc. to me are not racist. I AM ONCE AGAIN REALLY SORRY IF I HURT YOUR SENTIMENTS. And.. anyone else who might have felt I hold anything against America or While People. I would like to move on. My next reply will be a response to what Skywalker posted about the Topic in Question. Warm Regards, Srinivas
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