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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 11:48:05 GMT -6
I live in a small valley..ringed by military bases. Mirmar, Pendleton, Westmorland and the San Diego Naval Base. At the time..the population was approximately 3000. No one had any reason to be afraid of anything except the cold war. I've been in this town my entire life and the ONLY thing for active teenage girls to do was horseback riding. My best friend "Rosie" and I were always..always somewhere on a horse. My father, in particular, was very strict and I had a curfew set in stone..if it hadn't been for that I probably wouldn't have even noticed the missing hours. Memory of the incident didn't surface for close to 20 years and I'm still getting odd flashes of 'new' stuff. Kennedy was still alive..the Russians were a threat and the threat of nuclear war kept everyone 'looking' for spies in the bushes. My small town had two FBI stations..one sub station and one big facility that everyone talked about (what else was there?) This town..had not heard of UFO's..they worried about Russians. My friend and I were 16..silly and horse crazy naturally and we were way out on private property riding...in this small town private property meant for the most part..shut the darned gate when you go through. The day was normal..nothing unusual except when I looked up..the sun seemed a lot further toward setting than it should have been. Neither of us had a watch but I pointed it out to her and we both started to worry...even the horses seemed really nervous. There was this small house out in the middle of nowhere and I was more afraid of my Dad than of being where we shouldn't be so I went up to knock to see what time it was. No one was home..and we rode around looking into windows trying to spot a clock. In the kitchen..there was one and my heart about stopped because it was over 3 hours later than it should have been. In the midst of young panic..I noticed a note sitting on the sink counter right under the window I was peering into. Not that it matters to the overall story..but it engraved itself into my mind. "The FBI is after you..remember things taken" it was signed by the name of the man who owned the property (no trespassing signs told us that). Now I'm really scared..riding was the one privilege I had..and losing my horse would be the equivalent of a teenage boy loosing car keys. We started for home as fast as the animals could move and it gets a little foggy here..she was on my horse and I was on hers..but that never would have happened..she was terrified of my 'off the track' thoroughbred. Hers was a calmer more steady fella..but there she was leading the charge hell for leather..and that was just not right. Running across the field ..omg..here comes this black sedan up the road..and they stopped when they saw us. We were able to keep a distance but 4 men in black suits (summer) got out and were yelling at us...motioning us in..naturally we ran like the devil was after us. I thought later they were FBI after some crooks...that still seems logical. Luck was with the kids..we skulked in and found that friends had come to visit and the father had lost track of the time too...didn't realize I wasn't where I should have been. My luck then ran out. When I got home I felt this sore spot on my neck and when I looked in the mirror..it was a deep purple raised bruise about a little finger length across my jugular on the left side. It felt like a burn. I had no clue how I could have ended up with that but a bit later it was my undoing. My step sister spotted it and kidding around said "Wow Jo..is that a hickey on your neck?" I had no boyfriends..I had a horse instead..never had a date or kiss. She had not been raised by MY father. He heard that and followed me to my room and cornered me and delivered the only slap he ever gave me. About 4 hours later..it started to peel..leaving a raw spot on my neck. I showed him (injured at the injustice) he looked at it..shrugged and walked off..never an apology The thing healed in a couple of days and aside from feeling 'off' that was it until time passed and the flashes started coming. I got a phone call that Rose (who had joined the navy) was in the hospital..with appendicitis and had almost died of a tumor they didn't know was attached to her appendix. And next I knew..I saw her on a flat table (not metal..this was some ceramic or glass thing) she was thrashing and screaming ..hysterically and three..'things' were by her head..she was not wearing her clothes. I then knew I was crying and I knew I was wearing no clothes and I knew one of them stood by my head. My head felt 'clogged' like something was pushing from the inside and it hurt horribly. Soon she started to settle down and I the pressure stopped a little in my own head..I didn't understand ... It started a flood then..images and pain and terror and huge embarrassment. Teenage girls..stripped..can't move on a table and the things they were doing..were painful and horribly invasive. I saw tubes of blood and smelled both urine and feces..and I now knew the mark on my neck wasn't from any thing hot but something very cold pressed against it. 'They' were about our height..(5'1) and pale (grey) large eyes but not as huge as a lot of people say...almond shaped 3 times larger than human about. Reflective as glass..I saw myself clearly in them. They had 3 long fingers and opposing thumb..rubbery like skin and they smelled. Somewhere between very faint cat urine and a spice I can't identify. Not horrible but sticks with you. The three were working to calm her down because something wasn't working because of her hysteria. One stayed with me. It was very cool..lit blue white..and whether it's connected or not I'm not sure but I can't pass anything colored neon blue without being 'drawn' to it. I have no memory of clothes on them. .no belly button no 'sexual' appendages I could see..and over the years I've come to think they were constructs of some sort..homegrown by a race that needed their labor? The eyes..might have been viewing devices..video feed? I couldn't see breathing..but I was very very terrified..for a long time. The first couple of years I wouldn't allow myself to think on it then..I read accounts of the Hills. I called my friend. Rose remembers NOTHING. She does not even remember the ride or the note or the FBI guys..and she would have remembered those things. I asked her about the horses..she said.."Jo..you're nuts I'd never get on Choice (my horse) he scared me". She completely lost the day. I have never remembered running into them..or being 'captured' or how they could have controlled the horses but I imagine if they can control humans an animal might be easier. We don't remember pain..and that's probably a great thing. We can say oh wow having kids HURTS (understatement) but we don't remember the actual pain..just that it was. That's a life kindness. These things..snatched us out of a kid summer dream..held us on tables..took blood and many other samples..terrified us and with disregard for us. There was no compassion in them. If they tried to communicate..it was lost in hazes of fear and embarrassment..but I do remember that horrible pressure in my head. Some mental control I have thought. I have no memory of seeing a ship but I have noise memory. Something 'thrummed' is the only way I can describe it..I could feel it in my chest. It sounded like an aborigine didgeridoo almost. Every so often something else comes along new..colors..or smells. The latest was a 'static' electric memory. We had a particularly bad east wind condition the other day and I remembered seeing Rose's hair on the table standing on end like some weird halo. That's when I decided to add it here. Seems there's more yet. The other experience I had when I was 4 or 5. I woke the family up screaming my head off yelling that there was bugs in my ear trying to talk. They thought maybe something had climbed in there and looked and looked...but there wasn't anything. After they got me calmed down I told them about the mean little man in my room and that he had stuck a bad bug in my ear. I actually remember the ear thing (not the man) but it was angry bug noise like a bee but the bee was saying words..even to a child it sounded like words. This was in 1953...the town was then 2000 people..we did not have tv and my parents were just hard working people trying to feed 5 mouths and my dad's race horses. No one had ever heard of 'aliens' but I described my little man as being 'all white' with big black eyes. My mother figured 'monster under the bed' kind of thing and let it go. My left ear has never stopped ringing. There is nothing in it anyone has found but dentists and doctors alike say the ear is fine. I have wondered if I was marked in some way for future investigation..~shrug~ don't figure I'll ever know. I have spoken with a psychologist..years ago..who thought maybe I'd been molested...maybe it was because my father was so strict..I think she thought he was abusive even though he was just 'tough'. I have a vividly fanciful imagination..I've had a craving for science fiction all of my life..I'm terrified of enclosed spaces and people touching me if I'm held down..you wouldn't want to 'wrestle' me I flip out. I've never been able to tolerate a back massage or any kind of pressure around my shoulders or head. My shoulders always are tender. I am one of the most skeptical people in here when it comes to 'aliens'. I hate that word. Everything we don't understand..is alien to us. These 'beings' may not be interstellar or intergalactic..they might be inter dimensional..and I spend hours wondering how all of these accounts can be real. They would have to be here in the hundreds. OR..one race causing it all. Pretending to be things, planting memories and then watching the show. They give just enough information to keep interest..never enough to prove and toss in some really 'odd' accounts like contactees who are in communication with beings from far away stars...enough things to keep people thinking skeptically..but thinking none the less. I am afraid of anything that has that much control...and that little disregard for those they abduct. That's it for me..there are other little things..but they come and go and aren't so marked in my brain. It has caused me to put the brakes on when it comes to sugar coated accounts of these beings...because mine were not here to save me or the planet..they had purpose and carried out what they did like our own scientists would on bunnies. They had their own agenda and I think they still do. Since the episode when I was very little..I see things..feel things run into odd things..I do not like the term 'psychic' it's very limited. I know things sometimes for some people. Mostly right brained and I think (ok it's a far reach) that they home in on that..they pick it up in people (read it?) and it attracts them for whatever experimentation they're up to. Another stretch..about the time of the first 'encounter' my parents were about to divorce (mutual decision not to kill one another) but as a little girl I was in agony over it..and this one night I was sobbing to God not to let mommy and daddy split up..I mean bone wracking kinds of sobs..I think I may have attracted them. I've always thought maybe it was that. And ..that's my story
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Post by snorkelet on May 6, 2011 13:09:56 GMT -6
Do you recall anything that was taught or told to you? Very interesting story, thank you for sharing!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 14:16:36 GMT -6
Jo, ~hugs~
So you think they were attracted to your emotional distress over your parents divorce? That's an interesting idea.
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Post by satansrini on May 6, 2011 15:15:12 GMT -6
Hi Jo... Thank you for sharing your experience I am a person who really is jealous of all you people with these kind of experiences. I told this to Lorelei also the other day in chat. But after I read what you wrote. It sort of got me scared to be honest I am sorry you had to go through what you went through. I would like to ask a few questions. Please answer only if you are comfortable. If you wouldn't, Id understand Memory of the incident didn't surface for close to 20 years and I'm still getting odd flashes of 'new' stuff. - So this is about 1973-75 there abouts? How did you begin to get these flashes? With any help of a 3rd party or by yourself? Have you been documenting any of that? I mean 35 odd years is a long time. I wasn't even born then! How often do you get these 'flashes' as you call them? Each time you see a 'flash', is it something new or its the same thing with minor deviations here and there? Would you be able to zero down on a frequency at which these flashes come to you? Apart from here (which is of no practical help) do you share these flashes with anyone like family, real - friends that you see? Do these flashes come while you are asleep or while you are wide awake? Are these flashes only visual or is there audio too - as in do you hear anything along with what you see? No one was home..and we rode around looking into windows trying to spot a clock. In the kitchen..there was one and my heart about stopped because it was over 3 hours later than it should have been. In the midst of young panic..I noticed a note sitting on the sink counter right under the window I was peering into. Not that it matters to the overall story..but it engraved itself into my mind. "The FBI is after you..remember things taken" it was signed by the name of the man who owned the property (no trespassing signs told us that).
- Do you know what 'things' were taken. From this I understood, the FBI or whoever really came, searched your house and took something? Or am I not understanding something here? Running across the field ..omg..here comes this black sedan up the road..and they stopped when they saw us. We were able to keep a distance but 4 men in black suits (summer) got out and were yelling at us...motioning us in..naturally we ran like the devil was after us. I thought later they were FBI after some crooks...that still seems logical. - Did they follow you and catch hold of you or did they just let you go? Appears like they let you go. why would they do that when they are frantically asking you to come in? When I got home I felt this sore spot on my neck and when I looked in the mirror..it was a deep purple raised bruise about a little finger length across my jugular on the left side. It felt like a burn. I had no clue how I could have ended up with that but a bit later it was my undoing. - Was it open by any chance. As in any blood or any marks of incision? or was it just like bruised skin? I showed him (injured at the injustice) he looked at it..shrugged and walked off..never an apology - He he.. you should not expect that! - an apology. My dad beat me up ever so often when I was a kid and even after i grew up until age 17-18 or so. He never apologized and I never stopped what I did.. he he.. thats how dad/kid are.. But we love each other so much don't we?? got a phone call that Rose (who had joined the navy) was in the hospital..with appendicitis and had almost died of a tumor they didn't know was attached to her appendix. And next I knew..I saw her on a flat table......... - Ok.. just to clarify, this is a mixture of factual reality and flash? The phone call is real and that you saw her on the table is the flash at that point??? 'They' were about our height..(5'1) and pale (grey) large eyes but not as huge as a lot of people say...almond shaped 3 times larger than human about. Reflective as glass..I saw myself clearly in them - Were the eyes convex or concave? The three were working to calm her down because something wasn't working because of her hysteria. - What were they exactly doing to calm her down? I have no memory of clothes on them. .no belly button no 'sexual' appendages I could see..and over the years I've come to think they were constructs of some sort..homegrown by a race that needed their labor? - Like the Asgard in the Stargate SG1 Series? (if you ever watched it that is)..... Rose remembers NOTHING. She does not even remember the ride or the note or the FBI guys..and she would have remembered those things. I asked her about the horses..she said.."Jo..you're nuts I'd never get on Choice (my horse) he scared me". She completely lost the day. - Could it be possible that its not her but you who has lost the day? If they can play with your mind, can they fill your mind with conscious memories like riding horses and so forth. May be you were on Rose's horse (in the planted memory) because the grey guys did not know which one belonged to who. A simple case of misplacement?!! Could it be possible that her life is the real/normal one and the one you had... about riding the horse, seeing the smaller Sun, going home and missing 3 hrs time and all .. could that have been planted so you can come to terms with it easily? Though the possibility seems bleak as your dad would have known.. but still.. if i want to go to the extent of 'crazy' may be they got all your folks.. your father believes everything is ok..and so on... With Rose, did you ask her what was she doing at the said day and time - if she was not with you, and she doesn't remember, she must be doing something??? What did she say? And where is Rose these days? Are you still touch? May be you are quicker than her. May be she got flashes later.. when may be you guys lost touch (I am assuming you folks lost touch here) Ok.. I have more questions about the rest of your experience. But I think this is long enough!! I will reserve it for later. Besides, I also don't know how much you want to talk about it yet Regards, Srinivas
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 16:13:11 GMT -6
Srinivas: I don't mind questions..I answer whatever I honestly can. I have no way of knowing if my memory is accurate or if they planted some memories for me. I know I can 'feel' the texture of their skin in my mind...I can smell them and I do not like them at all. I fear them. I think I understand..they were occupied with a task of their own or for someone..but our age was tender..for that kind of an experience..kids can't rationalize as adults mightn't. It did show me why I might be afraid of things I am today. The men in the car I am guessing were FBI because of the note. I think whoever was staying in that house must have committed a crime and them showing up as we were running for home..was a coincidence. We never got close enough to hear what they were shouting and on horse we could cut through the fields where their car couldn't go..they didn't 'let us go' ...they never caught us The eyes were convex. Their face didn't seem to have bone structure like ours (cheekbones etc) no character registered with me. Without eye brows and facial movement you can't see if someone is angry because you can't see a frown. That I think makes it scarier..because their functions are in the nature of an attack but they are not showing any expression at all to go with it. If that makes the least bit of sense. I never forgave my father for that. I do not deal well with injustices...but it taught me to never deal with my own children that way, nor do I say things in anger to cause pain. I think that's a cheap shot. Words hurt. No love lost there. The flashes. I don't think in pictures ordinarily. I don't know quite how to describe it but ..whatever I'm thinking is just there in my mind..a concept just appears..I also sometimes see words. The memory came in pictures. My friend had had a serious operation that had threatened her life..I think that thinking of her in the hospital caused me to see her on that table and started the process of things I remember now. I've never written them down because once they come..they stay and stay. Something always triggers them..a smell or like the east wind static..a color. It becomes less and less hazy. I'm a admittedly stuck between my 'feelings' about what I see and the fact that I'm remembering it as I was then..young and horribly afraid. When it comes..it drops my belly to my toes..I sweat and often I cry...very close to a panic attack. The memories hurt. Only since I came onto the original MUFON forum and found Skywalker (in particular) have I backed them into a corner and faced them. His experience is much like mine..we were both with someone else. Facing them is better.. I make fun of them, call them tiny thugs and worse..because it takes away some of that control and fear.. This is why I hang around the forums...it's in its own right..therapy for someone like me. I've learned it's ok to be angry with them and it's helped me to accept the worst part of the reality. It wasn't personal for them...it was absolutely personal for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 16:21:54 GMT -6
~hugs to jo again~
Sounds like the "flashes" I've been getting. I don't normally think in pictures either, and yet I keep seeing the little thing wearing my jacket with the hood up lately... when I'm trying to go to sleep. It's a vivid picture. More vivid than dreams... the mind never ceases to amaze me.
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Post by satansrini on May 6, 2011 16:28:52 GMT -6
Ok. I did not sleep till now and so I will. Thank you for your response. I think from atleast now on, you should scribble things that come to you. You did not answer this - how often do the flashes occur. I think you should do Yoga or Meditation as they call it here. When I say Yoga.. not the body twisting stuff.. but the mind things. I have never tried it because I am toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lazy for that! But I am told and I know it helps (did it on a couple of occasions). Its tough initially though. You should sit, close your eyes (you can keep them open too.. as long as you have a strong concentration) and just leave the mind BLANK.. No thoughts WHATSOEVER. Its tough to do that for even 5 mins. But thats the challenge! It helps you focus very much and makes the mind very very strong. Human mind is very powerful. Currently, the way we live, its like running an engine on 1 cylinder when it has like 16!!!! Do it, I think it will help you in your pursuit. I think I have to do it too. The quicker I do it, the better for me Edit: Sorry, from your statements, I realize - we do not share the same background or sentiments for our fathers. My dad hit me many times.. but he also took care of me and my parents have given me a lot.... material possessions and philosophical/spiritual understanding.. they shared their wisdom.. but yet.. they beat me up left right and centre too ;D They loved each other so much.. they would never support me when one hit me.. if dad hits me, mom finds out the reason and she hops in. That used to be double trouble for me!! But that night, dad used to get me a cricket bat or a ball or something and mom used to make me some ice cream or custard or something.. it was fun to me.. but i was a menace to them ;D Regards, Srinivas
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 18:29:20 GMT -6
Difference in cultures maybe..I don't know. We are all the products of our experiences and environment..we go through little changes every single day (or we should). I do meditate and I've had some experiences in the last couple of years that convince me that life does indeed go on..we pass from this reality to the next...so are 'they'. We have that in common if nothing else
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Post by skywalker on May 6, 2011 20:09:02 GMT -6
I'm a admittedly stuck between my 'feelings' about what I see and the fact that I'm remembering it as I was then..young and horribly afraid. When it comes..it drops my belly to my toes..I sweat and often I cry...very close to a panic attack. The memories hurt. Only since I came onto the original MUFON forum and found Skywalker (in particular) have I backed them into a corner and faced them. His experience is much like mine..we were both with someone else. Facing them is better.. I make fun of them, call them tiny thugs and worse..because it takes away some of that control and fear.. This is why I hang around the forums...it's in its own right..therapy for someone like me. I've learned it's ok to be angry with them and it's helped me to accept the worst part of the reality. It wasn't personal for them...it was absolutely personal for me. Thank you for posting your experiences here, Jo. I learn something new every time you talk about them. I'm glad we found each other too. I garauntee you have helped me as much as I have helped you. That's the really good thing about forums such as this one...we can all talk about these things that we can't talk about anywhere else, learn from each other and help one another, and make some really good friends in the process. That's why I keep signing on every day. That is the reason why I started this one.
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Post by Steve on May 6, 2011 21:26:40 GMT -6
I want to thank you Jokelly for your account here. It is very special you can share it here with us in such detail and so meaningfully.
The first thing that jumped out at me was how you both started riding your horses, and returned after you noticed the missing time hurrying back, you were on the other person's horse. The bruise on your neck was very dis-concerning too. Your father slapped you too. All because he (over) reacted to the sister in-law's teasing comment your mark must have been a 'hicky' after your strange horseback ride that afternoon. I'm sorry.
It seems in time enough uncounscious memories have surfaced about your experience already - have you ever considered regressing back to get perhaps the full account as you recall it?
That way more, or all lingering triggers of flashbacks perhaps released from the unconscious might be put behind you. Watching these still clear memories, but remotely now in your consciousness from a safe place you now control. Transference?
Discussing it here then is the next best thing wonderfully. Your posts Jo always look for the rational or sensible, and as high strangeness as your account maybe, it reads like you almost in vain wish the same level approach to this account and fail to do so. Your own integrety about what happened in your own mind still calls it still as you see it. It makes you account all the more compelling.
Naturally a pychologist might interpret the way he did. But their's seem to never pass muster do they?
Interesting the horses did not seem to protest too much as one might expect with Rose now riding your horse, and you riding Rose's horse.
Intereseting too the 'FBI MIB' types in the proximity. Could the MIB's been the aliens approaching you? Their car a screened memory of the craft you failed to notice? Though you seemed to have noticed it's thrumming sounds.
Thanks very much Jo.
Steve
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Post by satansrini on May 7, 2011 3:03:14 GMT -6
Difference in cultures maybe..I don't know. We are all the products of our experiences and environment..we go through little changes every single day (or we should). I do meditate and I've had some experiences in the last couple of years that convince me that life does indeed go on..we pass from this reality to the next...so are 'they'. We have that in common if nothing else Well I don't know too. First, I can't imagine what it feels like to be a girl. Then, I don't know how people look at things in America. But from my side, If i look back, what will the poor guys do? I was the master of disaster ;D For example, I was watching this English movie (i was about 10 years or so).. The Car caught fire and it sort of made a lead in the air. So I wanted to do at home. I poured Kerosene on my toy car, put it on the dining table, lit it up and started driving it with the remote.. and drove it off the dining table.. the car leaped on the curtains and they caught fire. The curtains were ablaze in like less than a minute.. they were probably silk i don't remember. I did stuff like that almost every day ;D I don't blame the poor guys. Anyways.... about the meditation, I don't know if you read that part or took it seriously. But DO try. It gives you very strong focus and bent of mind. This is something only you can help yourself. The stronger the mind, the better chance for you to stay in control of your visions and see through......if what i say makes sense. They say, with mastery of this - you can actually isolate yourself and see other things the visions and all... Regards, Srinivas
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Post by sansseed on May 7, 2011 8:17:30 GMT -6
Wow, Jo. Thanks for sharing your story. I remember some of it from other forums, but to read it here brought me chills.
There was one part that struck me. It is where you talk about not liking having your back and neck touched, and how they are sensitive to pressure. I'm the same way. My husband likes to have massages, but I won't let him go near me. He could never understand it. I just always thought it was due to my sensitivity to pain. I have a very low pain threshold, so any type of massaging of my back and neck it literally painful to me. For me, I don't think there is anything strange about it, but while reading your story, it stood out to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 9:30:23 GMT -6
jo, thank you so much for sharing this with us !!! Im sorry you went through all this, and my heart sincerely goes out to you and everyone that it happens to !!! You were given a triple whammy . 1st, the abduction experience,especially at that age. 2nd, your father misunderstanding what happened then reacting the way he did. im not saying anything bad on his part or making excuses for him. As a father myself, Ive made mistakes along the way I wish I could go back and change but unfortunately thats not possible. my dad passed away when I was 19. if by some chance your dad is still alive maybe you can sit down and talk with him about that day and just spill out everything to him how it all unfolded and how you feel. the 3rd part is the unknown. I can relate. the parts you can remember is bad enough,and it seems you and your friend went through ALOT more than I did which wasnt pleasant in itself . I can also relate with your memory releasing details at its own rate.In my case certain details have just surfaced,and others are still hidden unless they just had me completely under. Im not sure in your case or mine(or anyone elses) about the best method of going about recovering memory from abductions. Im glad to hear that you,skywalker, and anyone else that has went through these similar experiences have learned to deal with it head on !!! Ive learned to as well, although I dont think any of us are ever the same after it happens. naturally, it is life changing and in some ways it has made me a stronger person. I also agree with this forum being a great therapy tool for all of us and want to thank skywalker and everyone for making it happen. Its great being able to discuss these deep, personal issues with caring, understanding people who we can relate with whereas family,friends, or even therapists may not understand !!! cliff
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Post by satansrini on May 7, 2011 9:43:03 GMT -6
Hi Touched!
How are you?!
If you are comfortable.. could you share your experience? Just like others have?
regards, Srinivas
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 12:12:49 GMT -6
Cliff I appreciate your input and Steve..you know I value yours. I would like to be regressed to try and collect it all instead of bits and pieces. Skywalker..you're my rock.. I think if I hadn't run into others who had similar experiences I'd still be very bottled up..and hugely resentful. My first emotion at the memories was anger.. dissolving to hurt..settling to trying to understand but keeping the edgy feelings. I'm still at that point where I figure if I were visiting them..I'd learn their laws and customs first and definitely wouldn't be experimenting on them. It tends to make me think they consider us beneath them enough not to bother with humane or legal details. It troubles me a lot when someone says they envy my 'experience'. If I were a mean soul and I didn't like them, I still wouldn't wish it upon someone. I'm happy to have others to share with but my heart still goes out to them for what is, at the very least..a shocking experience Sanseed..that is EXACTLY how I feel about my shoulders..I just cannot stand it and it effects my head 'space'. This..I haven't found any answer to..but I keep looking I have a question for both Cliff and Steve. Both of you have had awhile to deal with the issues of your own..and of others. What I would like to know (since you're both well versed at keeping your own emotions and feelings in check) is what you personally think. I'd like to know what your gut feeling is about what they are...where and why. Your opinion. Everyone here talks about their experiences..and others. No one really says what they think they are...and I know we all have opinions forming or formed. I think one prankster race causing enough chaos to keep people stimulated but igannant. Planting memories..maybe keying something that triggers the brain to create it's own. I'm interested in what everyone here feels and thinks Pretty please?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 16:28:56 GMT -6
very good question jo !although I dont have a clue what they are, ill at least give you my opinion to what I think they are and what they might be up to. I feel these beings are an intelligent, extraterrestrial species with crafts that have capabilities of reaching vast distances in a short time. Not only can they communicate with their own, they can also cummunicate with other species (such as human) telepathically .I believe they use a type of (electromagnetic? ) levitation device on their craft, as well as the capability to levitate other objects as well. I believe like us, they use tools to serve certain tasks such as building, medical,etc. I think their purpose for being here is to gather scientific data (such as taking samples), explore, and possibly genetic research. I believe theyve been visiting this planet for centuries, and if they wanted to exterminate us they would have probably already done so long ago. I also hear but not sure they may have the power to manipulate.I know for certain they have the technology to render people unconscious and perform procedures including scanning their memories. I feel theyre tracking a percentage of the general population as well. I personally dont trust them , but I also dont hold alot of resentment against them. I just hope theyll get what information they need soon and leave us humans alone !!! I could be wrong about them in many ways. I have more questions than answers . they may be another life form that lives on this planet that we dont know about,possibly from another space/time dimension . whatever they are, they exist !!!
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 22:56:03 GMT -6
Thank you for sharing your opinion. As free as we say we are in the forum here..only a rare few go out on a limb and discuss this part of things. We seem to be able to relate what we might have encountered..what we dream and talk about other experiences..but seldom what we actually think they are. I find that interesting. I can agree with a lot of what you think. I know that they have an objective in being here..I'm certain this planet isn't something they stumble across...I only wish I understood the fascination they seem to have. My wee brain insists there is something here that they either monitor or need...or the universe is a lot less populated than we have come to believe and we're a stand out. At any rate..thanks for sharing..I enjoy knowing what others believe and I'll bet most of us have a few things in common we don't know we do
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 3:19:50 GMT -6
Thank you for sharing your opinion. As free as we say we are in the forum here..only a rare few go out on a limb and discuss this part of things. We seem to be able to relate what we might have encountered..what we dream and talk about other experiences..but seldom what we actually think they are. I find that interesting. I can agree with a lot of what you think. I know that they have an objective in being here..I'm certain this planet isn't something they stumble across...I only wish I understood the fascination they seem to have. My wee brain insists there is something here that they either monitor or need...or the universe is a lot less populated than we have come to believe and we're a stand out. At any rate..thanks for sharing..I enjoy knowing what others believe and I'll bet most of us have a few things in common we don't know we do I very much agree with that last sentence you posted Jo. I don't know what they are, where they are from, or why they are here. I also don't know how they get here. All I know, is they are masters of disguise. They are masters of altering memories, and apparently they are very good at making up lies and stories to keep us complacent. My opinion is that they do not want us to know, and we probably will never know. I'm not going to waste my energy on guesses. There is no way of knowing for certain. It seems kind of pointless to me... but that's just my thoughts on the matter. ~shrug~
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Post by skywalker on May 8, 2011 7:51:51 GMT -6
I think there are two reasons why they erase our memories and plant phony ones. One is to prevent us from being too traumatized by whatever it is they are doing to us, and the other is to try to hide their existence so the military does not come swooping down and blast them to pieces. I don't think they are deliberately trying to trick us like they are playing some evil game. A third possible reason for why our memories are altered might just be a side-effect of the technology they use. If they come from another dimension for instance, maybe the technology they use when they abduct people causes the altered memories. It might be like being stuck in some interdimensional time-warp where our brains just aren't able to process the information accurately. Anything is possible.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 10:47:35 GMT -6
Interesting thought Sky..altered memory a by product of technology Why not..we are geared to understand 4 dimensions (height, width, length and time) if there are as many as scientists think possible (21+)..they may be very 'high strangeness' to us with properties beyond our understood physics. String theory is one of those things I desperately want to understand and lack the real math skill to do it What answers might be lurking behind dimensional doorways? Most, if not all of the things we consider 'paranormal' could be bleed through from other dimensions..escapees if you will. Ghosts that have no real form here..might well be solid there..assorted 'monsters' might have slipped through to be stranded here.. So many possibilities
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Post by bewildered on May 8, 2011 10:57:32 GMT -6
Interesting thought Sky..altered memory a by product of technology Why not..we are geared to understand 4 dimensions (height, width, length and time) if there are as many as scientists think possible (21+)..they may be very 'high strangeness' to us with properties beyond our understood physics. String theory is one of those things I desperately want to understand and lack the real math to do it Hard science is but one way to view it, Jo. There's no telling what your mind is capable of - only you can discover that. You might consider mathematics as one window with a view of something impossibly complex...something that is constantly changing as proximity to other somethings increases or decreases. It appears impossibly complex because the conscious cannot wrap itself around the totality of expression. Your mind, however, can. If you consider that every motion, reaction and interaction in the "touching, seeing, hearing, and tasting" perception of reality (this would include brain activity) can be expressed as a series of equations gradually increasing in complexity (this increase never ends), we see that mathematics is a language. Our binary conscious can only execute so much before the center point of awareness is overwhelmed - overstimulated, you might say - so there are other ways of viewing things you may discover (or already experience, just never realized what it is). If that sounds complicated, that's because it is.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 13:44:26 GMT -6
Interesting thought Sky..altered memory a by product of technology Why not..we are geared to understand 4 dimensions (height, width, length and time) if there are as many as scientists think possible (21+)..they may be very 'high strangeness' to us with properties beyond our understood physics. String theory is one of those things I desperately want to understand and lack the real math to do it Hard science is but one way to view it, Jo. There's no telling what your mind is capable of - only you can discover that. You might consider mathematics as one window with a view of something impossibly complex...something that is constantly changing as proximity to other somethings increases or decreases. It appears impossibly complex because the conscious cannot wrap itself around the totality of expression. Your mind, however, can. If you consider that every motion, reaction and interaction in the "touching, seeing, hearing, and tasting" perception of reality (this would include brain activity) can be expressed as a series of equations gradually increasing in complexity (this increase never ends), we see that mathematics is a language. Our binary conscious can only execute so much before the center point of awareness is overwhelmed - overstimulated, you might say - so there are other ways of viewing things you may discover (or already experience, just never realized what it is). If that sounds complicated, that's because it is. That's why engineers cannot design a robot who can effectively and consistently climb stairs along with other tasks which human beings are capable of doing. The Japanese have a robot who can climb stairs, but it can't do very much of anything else... Every time you reach out to grab your coffee cup. Every time you go for a Sunday drive. Every time you sit down in your favorite chair, or lift a glass of wine to your lips, you are performing complicated trigonometric equations in less than a second. For example, reaching out for your favorite coffee cup: Brain: "How far away is that coffee cup in relation to the length of my arm? Do I need to lean forward a little bit? Which back muscles do I need to use to accomplish this? Approximately how much does the coffee cup weigh? What is the distance from the coffee cup to my mouth? How much muscle force do I need to use to make it to my lips without spilling it everywhere and burning myself?" It is very complicated.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 17:11:39 GMT -6
It only becomes complicated when we try to understand the mechanics of it.
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Post by bewildered on May 8, 2011 21:49:47 GMT -6
It only becomes complicated when we try to understand the mechanics of it. Well said.
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Post by Steve on May 8, 2011 23:35:57 GMT -6
Cliff I appreciate your input and Steve..you know I value yours. I would like to be regressed to try and collect it all instead of bits and pieces. Skywalker..you're my rock.. I think if I hadn't run into others who had similar experiences I'd still be very bottled up..and hugely resentful. My first emotion at the memories was anger.. dissolving to hurt..settling to trying to understand but keeping the edgy feelings. I'm still at that point where I figure if I were visiting them..I'd learn their laws and customs first and definitely wouldn't be experimenting on them. It tends to make me think they consider us beneath them enough not to bother with humane or legal details. It troubles me a lot when someone says they envy my 'experience'. If I were a mean soul and I didn't like them, I still wouldn't wish it upon someone. I'm happy to have others to share with but my heart still goes out to them for what is, at the very least..a shocking experience Sanseed..that is EXACTLY how I feel about my shoulders..I just cannot stand it and it effects my head 'space'. This..I haven't found any answer to..but I keep looking I have a question for both Cliff and Steve. Both of you have had awhile to deal with the issues of your own..and of others. What I would like to know (since you're both well versed at keeping your own emotions and feelings in check) is what you personally think. I'd like to know what your gut feeling is about what they are...where and why. Your opinion. Everyone here talks about their experiences..and others. No one really says what they think they are...and I know we all have opinions forming or formed. I think one prankster race causing enough chaos to keep people stimulated but igannant. Planting memories..maybe keying something that triggers the brain to create it's own. I'm interested in what everyone here feels and thinks Pretty please? I'm here Jo. Forgive me for not seeing your question earlier. I was on the phone with Cliff and among many things discussed - we mentioned you. He fortunately mentioned you had asked your question to us and the others here in 'our support family' and mentioned you wanted to know what I in a gut feeling kind of way...thought about all this. What I think. I think (guess) these visitors are extraterrestrial in origin. From another far off community of planets, from multiple far off solar systems. They are probably millions of years ahead of us in development, both technologically and in their evolution. Our system is probably younger as systems go, they probably developed earlier. Who are they? Likely many species, many which probably intermix forming new off shoot species too. But because they travel unimaginable distances - they are inter dimensional, and time travelers too. So I think all the prevailing UFO theories are probably correct to some degree. I think space travel is what they do, but inter dimensional jumps both through space and time are the means how they do this. So perhaps they touch on all our theories about them. ET, inter dimensional, and time travel. Part of why abductions may occur are probably many. They are explorers, another motive might be commerce, another part is to genetically alter their species to blend in and change our planets ways as they see fit from within. That might explain why there seem to be so many reported abductions, beyond just exploration. In George Lobuono's book 'Alien Mind: The thought and behavior of Extraterrestrials', who seems to claim he is quietly in some kind of meditative contact with different competing alien groups. You don't have to accept whether George is a 'contactee' or not, many of his concepts still seem to make sense as we understand such things. Abductions are regarded by most of the inhabitants of neighboring galaxies as illegal. Some civilizations out there are on levels of harnessing energies only on a planetary scale (the most primitive - we are not even at that level yet), to levels of harnessing the energies of entire galaxies (most advanced). There are probably alien economies, alien collectives, alien hierarchies, alien defense structures. Also probably alien cloning, alien corruption, and alien criminals too. The Verdents (grays and their off shoots) to the hyper advanced aliens George says are called hyperversals. Mega populations of life probably abound everywhere, to such an extent most habitable worlds are already well occupied. Most of us here who easily accept the notion of life on other worlds are probably quite naive about the goings on in the Universe, while many of the rest of us on this planet may even believe incredibly we are the only life in the universe. In our baby crib we see only outward as far as the nursery. The rest of the Universe from all directions peers in. We are a rich garden of life, probably easily plucked. Our rich genetic stock here still quite desirable, like spices and gold was to the conquistadors. I think I was one of those who perhaps said I to a certain extent 'envy' experiencers. Forgive me. It is not the shocking experience I envy, but the certainty you and others have about these beings. If you think I have been at this some time, I regard myself only with 'book knowledge', while you have considerable book knowledge as well, you invaluably have 'street' knowledge too! Fortunately or unfortunately - you have seen them first hand. I would enjoy talking sometime with you. You mentioned wishing perhaps now to be regressed. We can talk about this and many things. I have been talking with Cliff about his experiences, I would like to with you too. There is understandable anger as you cope with these memories. 'Steve
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 10:04:54 GMT -6
I'm glad you replied Steve...thank you. It helps to understand others when we understand their beliefs. I knew you had to be open minded because of your field of expertise but it's refreshing to know you are as versatile in what you believe. Thinking about it..you helped me understand something that's been troubling me. When I talk about my 'experience' I always try to express the emotion that went along with it and it never fails that someone will pop up with "I envy you". From my perspective..that makes a lot of people seem really odd. I wasn't looking at it from any positive perspective. I do know with no doubt whatsoever..that they exist. Bad..good or indifferent I know they are. Thank you for helping that along..it just would not settle in my brain It's a long time ago...but memory doesn't know time lines. Kind of funny in one respect..if I remember something (like the hair standing on end the other day) for an instant I expect to see my teenage self in the mirror and it's a hair of a shock to see me as I am now. Does that seem really strange? I now understand that the human brain is as amazing as any universe out there because I am not so sure 'they' caused the 'amnesia'. I think my younger mind might have been protecting me from something I was not ready to grasp..and maybe for others it 'alters' the circumstances to do something similar. Around the same time..I stopped being able to remember dreams..I have not had a nightmare since I was 4 or 5..when the first one showed up. And about the time I really started accepting this..I've been remembering dreams again..always non threatening. I like your ideas Steve..far reaching and accepting and realistic with an understanding of our role being as children learning. You are more real than clinical to me now
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 12:50:33 GMT -6
As I stated before on another thread (I forget which one lol...) I feel you should be commended Jo for coping with this experience as well as you have. ~hugs~
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 14:29:14 GMT -6
You only see the side I can present here..minus the 'melt downs' but that's the benefit of computer ville.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 17:20:06 GMT -6
~hugs~
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