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Post by skywalker on May 31, 2011 12:06:58 GMT -6
Roswell is probably the most famous UFO-related incident of all time, and even after more than six decades people are still arguing and debating over it. I would like to ask everybody what you think really happened at Roswell in 1947 and why you think that. This is not a scientific poll or anything, I'm just curious to know what people think.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 13:21:46 GMT -6
I voted for 'other'. I honestly believe it was a craft that crashed and that it had dead occupants. I tussle with two theories. A. It was an experimental craft (of ours) and shaped very differently from anything people had yet seen. Experimental craft just might have had pilots wearing 'odd' suits, possibly configured with hoses and such for oxygen. Their bodies would have been transported elsewhere for autopsy and most likely would have drawn attention of anyone seeing them. If the craft was something no one wanted other countries to know about..yep it would have had several manufactured stories..one more strange than the next to keep confusion about the crash. Confusion serves well when you think about it. B theory...is that it was an 'alien' craft not necessarily from outer space but from outside of our knowledge and reasoning...complete with dead pilots who of course would have attracted the attention of anyone who saw them. Same idea of being transported elsewhere for autopsy..same idea of generating multiple stories to confuse everyone. Let a whisper of a 'rumor' start and it's like wildfire. Weather balloon, skyhook, aliens were possibly all manufactured. I tend to believe B theory because our technology seems to have received a boost from somewhere (imo). I think this unidentified technology might have led to our advancement in stealth technology and computer science as well as jumps cosmology and physics. String theory...makes me consider them being inter-dimensional. I think also..that propulsion will prove to have something to do with particle acceleration. So it is in the land of Jo
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Post by lois on May 31, 2011 13:49:58 GMT -6
I only believe Jesses story as true fact. He did not see any aliens. The government went to so much trouble of telling everyone they will find your bones out in the sand. If Jesses had not been an officer I might have more doubt. I believe Braszo also. He took Jesses to the sight. The rest of these witnesses I do not have a for sure attitude..about their stories. I believe the woman who was Brazel's neighbor who seen part of the debri, but she was not a witness to anything else.
I also believe a woman whos husband was a officer who told her when he was dying he seen the bodies in the hanger being put into boxes. He was a flight comander I believe. If this one flight comander had not told her what he seen. I would not believe the ufo was driven by aliens. That archeology team was never found but one guy came forward and said his friend Barney told him the truth about the crash. Barney was part of the archeology team. who was on the sight before the military got there.
One of my biggest believes is from my ownself. I seen a ufo the summer of 1947, that bears a lot of weight.
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Post by lois on May 31, 2011 14:00:47 GMT -6
I also believe Jesses's son which seen the debri but he has never told of keeping a piece of it that the military took from him later.. as was portrayed in the movie. I have often wonder if that part was true fact.
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Post by lois on May 31, 2011 14:06:24 GMT -6
I seen occupants of that ship that resembled the aliens Roswell witnesses told of. like the flight suits and that they were small beings. Some one was alive in 47 which fits that description. and they were in saucers.
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Post by lois on May 31, 2011 14:12:27 GMT -6
I go straight to 1947 reports on Mufon for years now checking and hoping. A child somewhere out there seen what I witness. Only one man and his wife who died from and abduction exist as far as reports to mufon go. My Mother never told me she missed me at this time, why was I shown this?
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Post by auntym on May 31, 2011 16:07:36 GMT -6
i have always believed the very first story out of roswell....a saucer crashed and alien bodies were recovered.... after that the government changed everything about the story including weather balloons, dummies & my most recent favorite...the russians..... ;D ..... i'd like to know how much money this illustrious award winning journalist was paid to damage her own professional reputation.... who's going to take her seriously anymore?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 16:44:31 GMT -6
I agree she's damaged her reputation in the eyes of those who believe in UFO's and particularly Roswell. Maybe she made a stronger case for those who have no interest or belief in the subject or for those vacillating. Approximately 50% of the population believe in UFO's, not necessarily that they are from other planets. An unidentified flying object is still that until identified. We think the 'Russian' theory is ridiculous..but others think the idea of little men in flying saucers is ridiculous and a whole lot of people would rather believe some other human faction is responsible than anything unknown. Fear factor. I'm a lot more interested in what started this...why she stuck herself out on this limb. Was she possibly coerced? Threatened? Bribed? Or does she actually believe what she's written? Why?
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Post by lois on May 31, 2011 21:09:32 GMT -6
Auntym... The first press released came from the airforce base. Not the heads of the newspaper in Roswell. I guess they figured it was ok to tell the truth. They never thought of our government and what they would have to say about it. I always believed it may of been released before President Truman was ever told. If so why would they conjure up such a fantasy if not the unbelievable was true. Everyone was seeing ufos over the states and wanted to know what the saucers were. Maybe the hurry about the release, was they wanted notoriety as they had solved the mystery before any one else. I know all I wanted to do is tell everyone what I witnessed. If there is any truth in Roswell, this is the only truth that counts. First reactions. When they seen what Jessie brought in, they first found the crash site. I don't think strange material would of give the Air Force reason enough to make a press release out of it.
There had to be more and more was the crash site and aliens they found.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 1, 2011 10:19:05 GMT -6
I agree with that, Shami. Way back then the military and the people were working together for the good of the country. We had just come out of a horrendous war that everybody in the country had to work together in order to win...back then I think they were a lot more open and honest about things. Nowadays the government lies about everything and tries to keep everything a secret, even when it doesn't need to be. They are just used to lying now because they have done it for so long, but I think it all got started right around the time that Roswell happened. It makes you wonder what they were trying to cover up. They wouldn't lie that much about a silly balloon.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 1, 2011 10:25:10 GMT -6
I'm a lot more interested in what started this...why she stuck herself out on this limb. Was she possibly coerced? Threatened? Bribed? Or does she actually believe what she's written? Why? I think she actually does believe it. Judging by what I have read and heard, Jacobsen seemed to be totally igannant about the entire subject matter of UFOs/Area 51 before she started doing research for this book. The story was handed to her on a silver platter by the government. It's possible they chose her partly because of her naivety about the subject...it would make it easier for them to control what was written and get out the message that they wanted people to hear.
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Post by casper on Jun 1, 2011 13:15:51 GMT -6
I think a UFO crashed in Roswell. People wouldn't be making such a big fuss about it if it was just a balloon. How could anybody mistake a balloon for a UFO? Balloons don't look like UFOs.
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Post by lois on Jun 1, 2011 13:43:43 GMT -6
Yes Casper and Jessie would of been the first to know anything military.
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Post by lois on Jun 1, 2011 13:46:18 GMT -6
The whole base made fun of Jessie.. When his health was failing he brought this out in the 70s again. It started the whole ball a rolling.
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Post by lois on Jun 1, 2011 13:52:03 GMT -6
I assume everyone here has seen this movie. A scene with Jessie bringing home the debri..
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Post by lois on Jun 1, 2011 13:55:00 GMT -6
Jessie bringing this out into the open 30 years later.
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Post by lois on Jun 1, 2011 14:05:23 GMT -6
I wish Brazal and Jessie had combed around and found the orignal crash site with the saucer. They could of knew a lot more of the truth and just maybe he would of told it all here in this video. I know he thought the debri could of been a flying saucer that crash, but that would not of still proven anything except to little old me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 14:06:20 GMT -6
LOL.... you're right jo....i thought this was the other thread.... ;D all of these titles and articles are starting to jumble together inside my brain.....LOL i will move this tomorrow....if i do it now it will disappear from the 50 MOST RECENT POSTS and no one will see it..... tomorrow..... That's ok Auntym. The threads get jumbled up in my head too... ;D Tomorrow... you see... I didn't know that! If you move something it won't be in the 50 post recent posts? You're the "Uber Moderator" then... because you knew that. ;D ~hugs~
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 14:57:36 GMT -6
Well if we knew what they were...they wouldn't be UFO's anymore. ;D Has anyone here ever wondered why Roswell might have attracted either beings from elsewhere OR spies grown more locally? 'At the time of the alleged crash, the Roswell military air base was home to the only nuclear bombing squadron in the world (the largest SAC base 'strategic air command'). The 509th wing training on B29 bombers dropped the first 'special' weapons on Japan'. I think that would have been well worth investigating by anyone curious about our evolving 'military' capabilities. www.strategic-air-command.com/bases/Walker_AFB.htm
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Post by skywalker on Jun 1, 2011 21:54:08 GMT -6
One of my biggest believes is from my ownself. I seen a ufo the summer of 1947, that bears a lot of weight. That's very true, Shami. My experiences are the main thing that keeps convincing me that there is something weird going on too. Other people may be asking where the evidence is but you and I and a lot of other people have experienced the evidence personally. The skeptics may be able to ignore that but we can't. Something picked me up out of my bed with a beam of light and I am willing to bet it was no weather balloon.
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Post by lois on Jun 1, 2011 23:55:36 GMT -6
Jo .. of course it was the atomic bombs being set off. I have always said, they came in for a closer look at us and this earth, made them selves known when all this testing started. I think ufos has always been around up to this time. Making contact like saying what your doing is not right. Or you need to change your direction. What I don't understand is why? Why do they care what we do.
I think somehow within the universe we are connected to them in someway. far in the ancient pass maybe. Or they are timetravelers . us in the future, If that is so we must make it out there someday. But maybe we suffered a big price to get there. I speculate in the craziest ways. It is like my brain never stops doing it. But what ever I think may be possible, we only have a few pieces of the puzzle, even if any of it were true fact.
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Post by lois on Jun 2, 2011 0:04:02 GMT -6
When they were called foo fighters I think they were checking to see if those planes had atomic weapons on them. One man did the job. They must of missed him out there alone as he was heading for Japan.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 1:26:50 GMT -6
I voted ufo/alien craft. Because of National Security then, and today, I dont believe our Govt. will admit or disclose the truth. Its not only because Ive seen a craft that my mind cannot fathom us, or anyone else on this planet having, that exhibited out of this world propulsion and manuevers inconsistent with anything known,(even with the next 100 years of technology), or the fact that ive witnessed an armada that no one can explain, or the fact that ive stared these little dudes right in the eye and seen and felt the power of their technology, which tells me were not alone !!! If it wouldve just been myself who saw all this, than id have to honestly consider whats happening to my mentallity, but these same things have happened over and over by so many for so long that I have to realize and accept it for what it is. Even before all this happened,knowing what I know in astronomy even as a child, its obvious. Ive opened my mind to Roswell and looked at this from every angle mentioned. I feel there is something about that dish at the las alomos nuclear research facility that interracted with their craft and brought" them" down. Could it have been experimental craft at the then area 51 ? possibly, and partly. But usually when the Govt. makes experimental craft, they usually only make a couple of them for test runs. As far as Annie Jacobson, this will probably be the only time youll ever see me mention her name anywhere, because she has zero credibility as far as im concerned . I considered the "Russian hypothesis" that was mentioned, and sky made some very good points in a thread I read somewhere. Its not only that , but in the last 100 years or so technology has moved so fast that it makes you wonder if its possible of us as a race to be able to go from a stick figure airplane to the outer edge of the solar system so quickly. I guess its possible, but I think there was "help" with back engineering .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 9:50:11 GMT -6
I think science is already finding that all life in the universe is connected. We're all made of the same basic stuff...just compiled a little differently. Sky..I don't think having an experience is a good thing...I think it's in many ways worse than having no idea at all. Most of us here..are here because of something we've encountered or seen. We have only one more element than anyone else..we know something exists that is unexplained to us...unidentified. We don't know where they are from (here or out there) what they are or why they're even bothering with us. All that we know is that we encountered something that changed us in ways we're not even sure of. I think that 'they' have taken up quite enough of my time. There is much more going on on this 'plane of existence' than hunting down what doesn't want to be hunted. I've come to the conclusion that answers will come in their own good time on someone else's clock..not mine. Best that I can do is keep an open mind, be the best person I can be and figure out how to graduate from this classroom and move to the next. I've been wondering lately..just what I'd feel if they decided to give CNN an interview. "So...er...hello. It's come to our attention that you might not be in the same category as most other animals on this planet. Goodness..we didn't realize you were actually sentient and had ' feelings' Maybe we owe apologies but you must allow for our brilliance compared to your dullness. All we actually wanted was enough DNA material to make slave clones on our own planet so that we can concentrate on science and things that don't get our hands dirty. Earlier experiments in transporting your kind proved unsuccessful as you do not adapt well to the rigors of space. Cloning and raising human 'cattle' in our environment is proving to be much more satisfactory, and once established on our home world well...you do breed like bunnies and we have a large enough genetic pool to found an entire race at home. We actually require very little from you now and again..sorry for the inconvenience." What do we gain if it's proven to the whole world that they've been here? We already know they are. Do we only want the satisfaction of others knowing? In some ways...it's a little uplifting knowing that I know..how much more there is out there. I have the benefit of knowing life is not nearly so limited as most think it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 10:24:29 GMT -6
LOL Jo... you should write a sci-fi book about that... ;D
You made my day!
~hugs~
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Post by skywalker on Jun 2, 2011 11:07:18 GMT -6
I think it would be a lot easier if we had never had these experiences. We could just go about our lives in blissful igannance and not have to worry about any of this stuff. Unfortunately, (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it) we did have them which means that our eyes have been opened to a whole nother universe of ideas that we had never even thought of before.
If I had not had my experience back in 1988 it would be easy for me to say that Roswell was just a balloon and UFOs are just people's imagination. Since I had my experience though, I can't do that because I know that there is a possibility that Roswell was not a balloon and UFOs are not just people's imagination.
That little bit of personal knowledge can change every thing. Whether that is a good thing or a bad one depends on the persons perspective. Some people would probably be content to go through live blissfully igannant of UFOs and aliens from other planets or dimensions. There are other people who very likely would be the opposite and would want to know, even if it caused a few inconveniences in their lives.
I remember that quote from Close Encounters where the French scientist looked at the character played by Richard Dreyfuss as he was about to get on board the alien spacecraft and said, "Mr. Neely...I envy you." I bet there are a lot of people who would feel that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 11:34:45 GMT -6
He had the benefit of knowing they were safe..that they wanted contact and in good faith had returned everything they had boosted in the past. Under those circumstances, the possibilities of hopping through the universe in a souped up flying chandelier and playing with child like beings...well who wouldn't envy it? Even Barry had fun and I sure prefer those beings to the Independence Day version. Our movies, books and TV do color how we might think of beings from other planets or dimensions. I think one of the reasons National Geographic ran it's evil alien documentary was to toss a little caution into the mix. I think open minded caution is a good idea..just because some 'remote viewer' says they are noble beasts doesn't mean they are and just because someone else says they are militant = the same. No one has proven yet that remote viewers or astral travelers aren't influenced by planted vision or that it's a real science. I want them to be the fairy tale..but I suspect they're something pretty different.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 18:45:55 GMT -6
Glad I could help
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Post by auntym on Jul 11, 2011 12:53:44 GMT -6
ufos.about.com/b/2011/07/11/roswell-and-inside-sources.htm Roswell and 'Inside Sources'[/color] By Billy Booth, About.com Guide July 11, 2011 You have probably heard about the recent release of Annie Jacobsen's book on the Roswell Crash, which supposed that the crash was really a missile sent from Russia, with dummies on board. It seems that as soon as one theory comes out, another soon follows. This time it is supposedly from a researcher who says he has been in contact with what he calls "well-placed" sources within the Defense Intelligence Agency. These sources state that the crash was legitimate. Check out all of the details of his claims at 'Inside Sources' say Roswell was Extraterrestrial Crash, and see what you think. www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/239589 'Inside sources' say Roswell was extraterrestrial crash[/color] June 21, 2011 Steve Hammons (This article originally appeared on the Joint Recon Study Group site.) The so-called "Roswell incident" has been in the media recently due to a new book about Area 51 by writer Annie Jacobsen. In her book yet another version of the story has been put forward, this one even stranger than some of the others – if that is possible. However, the often-told and widely-known story about a crash of an extraterrestrial craft near Roswell in the summer of 1947 keeps surfacing. In April 2011 a researcher who claims to be in contact with well-placed former and current officials in the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) released an alleged statement from his DIA sources related to Roswell. The report was identified as "Release 35" and was the latest of many such information "releases" posted on the website serpo.org. The series of releases began in November 2005. This new information about the Roswell case seems to support the overall view of the situation as depicted in certain reliable investigative research as well as in some movies, TV shows and other media. CRASH SITESBelow is what the anonymous source had to tell the researcher, according to the "Release 35" information posted on serpo.org: "Here is the correct information regarding the reported two or three crashed alien craft and sites," the alleged DIA source reportedly claims. "In 1950, the FBI Foreign Counterintelligence (FCI) was investigating the UFO phenomenon. The FBI received a classified briefing from USAF Intelligence in 1950." "During the briefing, the USAF reported that there might have been three flying saucer crashes in New Mexico. U.S. Army/Air Force found three possible crash sites in New Mexico." "One site was located approximately 40 miles north of Roswell." "One site was located approximately 10 miles southeast of Corona." "And one site was near Shaw Mountain, south of the Plains of San Agustin in western NM. The latter site was found in 1949 by some ranchers," the anonymous source reportedly states." "The first two sites were believed to be two different craft, however, the USAF later determined that the site north of Roswell and southeast of Corona were the same craft, which broke up into two distinct pieces." "In 1947, another piece of the Roswell craft was found by a rancher east of Corona, along State Route 247." The alleged anonymous source reportedly goes on to state, "As I have said for many years, there has not been a single book written that tells the true, real story of Roswell nor the other crash site in western New Mexico." "'Flying saucer' researchers have ignored the real information and relied on outright false or faulty information given by second and third person witnesses." TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2011 21:25:09 GMT -6
I think the idea is what do YOU think happened at Roswell..not what everyone else is saying (and there are plenty of those). I think we need to recapture what a 'forum' is about..it's the shared opinions of the people on the forum. I'm interested in what everyone here..thinks about certain UFO cases. I think Roswell was a crashed UFO..and that from it we have gained a certain amount of technology. The bodies..I'm going to take more convincing for that and it disturbs me how many fools jump on things like that for hoaxes. I also think that we are under some kind of a 'threat' and that is why so much has been kept under wraps.
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