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Post by auntym on Oct 21, 2011 18:18:30 GMT -6
mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/10/contactees-or-secret-agents/#more-8234 Contactees or Secret Agents?Oct 22nd in UFO Phenomenon by Nick Redfern One of the most outrageous, but certainly intriguing, theories surrounding the early years of the Contactee movement suggests the Contactees were in the clandestine employ of the United States’ Intelligence community. Their secret role: to spread outlandish – and utterly fictitious – tales of trips to the Moon and Venus with long-haired aliens. Their purpose: to make the entire UFO subject seem ridiculous, and to bury the truly unexplained and mystifying reports amongst a mass of largely unbelievable tales of cosmic contact. As controversial as it may seem, however, when we look for connections between the Contactees and elements of U.S. officialdom, we do find them. For example, documentation that has surfaced via the terms of the Freedom of Information Act demonstrates that while the FBI of the 1950s was hardly enamored of Contactee George Van Tassel, that was most certainly not always the case. The Freedom of Information Act has shown that in previous years Van Tassel had what could be termed quasi-official links with the FBI which were most assuredly not frowned upon. An FBI document of November 16, 1954, for example, references Van Tassel as having been “acquainted” with FBI Special Agent Walter Bott (who had then recently died), and that furthermore, Van Tassel “helped [Bott] on many cases at Lockheed.” Furthermore, a number of those same cases involved attempts by Soviet “plants” to learn U.S. defense secrets that Van Tassel helped Bott to thwart. In addition to that startling revelation, while employed with Hughes Aircraft, Van Tassel acted in an assistance capacity to none other than Howard Hughes himself. In 1977, an astonishing book, The Hughes Papers by Elaine Davenport, Paul Eddy and Mark Huwitz, was published, and disclosed a wealth of hitherto unknown material pertaining to Hughes, including his deep connections to the CIA. This does not, of course, link Van Tassel with the CIA in any capacity, but it is food for thought, nevertheless. CONTINUE READING: mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/10/contactees-or-secret-agents/#more-8234
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 20:06:44 GMT -6
And then this brings up the cases of the "average' contactee. I may not be part of the disinformation, but is there "something about me" yet to be revealed? Ala Manchurian candidate?
This is what I meant earlier on my personal experience thread about being a "watcher". Like being a trained observer, spy, and I report this to someone. Even the "double agent" scenerio. As in a messenger, or mol. Aliens download current information to me, make me forget, the government downloads the new information, make me forget, and vice versa. and everyone thinks it's just about genetics.....
and I'm clueless (of course).
I can't imagine my usefullness, what I could possibly see that is of any value.
However, I could see the government doing some "tests" on me when I'm young, and then checking my "progress".
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Post by Steve on Oct 22, 2011 2:57:48 GMT -6
Nick Redfern must have watched the 'Taken' mini television series some years back. All that is being discussed here was touched on or strongly implied in one or more episodes of 'Taken'. This is really nothing new. In perhaps the second episode in the series, there are scenes were several of the characters attend a UFO contactee meeting. The speaker at the meeting is a government plant posing as an Adamski personality. Adamski was a well known supposed contactee in the 1950's. (before the abduction aspect of UFOlogy took off). I remember the slide show images in the scenes of the UFO meeting were perfect. Showing very mystical images of UFO's and beautiful aliens. It would show the meeting presentation with the speaker talking about how the aliens were friendly and space brothers, then the editing juxtaposing contrasting cuts to scenes of other characters undergoing frightening examinations by aliens. The woman character in the show (who actually had an alien experience in the story) asks the author if he thinks the aliens will someday return....the agent posing as the Adamski character autographing his books I vividly remember says ...brushing her off with - "our time, and their time, is not the same time...." It captured perfectly in a uncomfortable way totally the feel of these meetings I am afraid to say. Meanwhile the meeting is being secretly photographed by agents. It was a fascinating scene. The screen writers pinned it down spot on about many things. The writers must have dead-headed through some Mufon meetings preparing the script? So such a notion or suspicion is far from being new. The FBI was watching many groups in the 50's and 60's, not just UFO groups...they might still be, but in this era in the war on terrorism, it seems difficult logistically having enough agents to believe so...many in the UFO community have suspicions about the Mufon BOD' s. There government and intelligence backgrounds in FBI, Army Intelligence, NSA, are known, but what their intent maybe has been suspected by many. Some paranoid conspiracy groups into UFO's (I saw many such personalities in local Mufon meetings - to the point it drove away many other serious people with good questions) I wonder if part of their quirky syndrome is actually hoping they are watched...to validate their beliefs. Anything is possible and I have more important things to do. Steve
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Post by skywalker on Oct 22, 2011 8:15:38 GMT -6
I guarantee that the government is still watching UFO groups, for several reasons. Besides their incessant desire to control everything they also monitor UFO groups to make sure none of their Top Secret info gets out. Many UFOs are actually Top Secret aircraft and weapons that are being tested and the military does not want to see photos of its super secret stuff plastered all over the internet. They therefor would have to monitor UFO groups simply as a matter of national security.
They also want to cover up the secret programs that they have had in the past. Many details of some of the government's more sinister projects like MK-Ultra and the plutonium experiments still have not fully come to light and the Feds are trying hard to make sure that it doesn't. They wouldn't want one of us UFO people to spill the beans.
Another reason why they monitor UFO groups is because a lot of people in the UFO community are also government conspiracy theorists with an anti-government attitude and the Feds keep an eye on them to make sure there are no plots brewing against the government. This actually has happened many times in the past. Super hacker Gary Mckinnon used UFOs as his excuse for why he hacked into the Feds computer system, and that wacko Jared Loughner belonged to the UFO-related website Above Top Secret shortly before he went on his shooting rampage. It would only make sense that the rest of us would be under suspicion.
I know that there was a time when Federal agents were actively infiltrating UFO groups and I personally suspect that they still are. I think that is the reason why Robert Bigelow has been buying control of everything UFO-related that he can get his hands on...he is doing it so that the government will have more control over the flow of information. Power is what the government wants more than anything. The more control over people they have the more powerful they become. They will do whatever they have to do to get it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2011 14:21:40 GMT -6
" (before the abduction aspect of UFOlogy took off). "
Even if this is an "old topic", the statement above implies something, and I'd like your thoughts on this particular aspect, Steve.
By the word "before......" and we're talking about the abduction phenomenon getting more publicity, just because more people are coming forward, there are more people, period. Etc.
Thanks for the video. Not something I saw on TV. Of course I have a lot of catching up to do....
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Post by skywalker on Oct 22, 2011 23:27:35 GMT -6
The first abduction was reported in 1961. Before that throughout the 1950s there were many people who claimed to be "contactees" or people who had made contact with Martians or Venusians or whatever. The "aliens" in these instances were almost always kind, benevolent human-looking creatures who came down to impart some important message or to give people rides in their space ships. This was different from the later abductions which were usually painful, embarrassing and in some cases downright terrifying. Contactees were usually publicity seekers who wrote books and gave lectures while trying to earn lots of money. Abductees usually just want to know what the heck happened and why did it happen to them?
Many of the early contactees were eventually discredited as hoaxers and they are no longer taken seriously. The abduction phenomenon is not that easy to dismiss.
It is conceivably possible that some of the early contactees were government plants who were trying to give the rest of them a bad name. It is also possible that some of them may have been victims of hoaxes or charades put on by the government in a deliberate attempt to make them all look like fools. We know that the government has created hoaxes before and then deliberately exposed them just so they could discredit people in the UFO community.
As to the question of whether or not it is possible that contactees or abductees could be being used or contacted by the government for whatever reason...that is an interesting question that I have been wondering myself for a long time.
We do know that the government has abducted innocent civilians for a variety of reasons, and that they also have used unsuspecting civilians as Guinea pigs in various nefarious experiments. Could they be doing it again and could this be the explanation for the abduction phenomenon? That is hard to say.
Based on my own experiences I would have to say no. What happened to me and my friend back in 1988 is not explainable using conventional scientific explanations. In order for the Feds to have perpetrated that event they would have to either have the technology to pick somebody up in the air with a beam of light, or control people's thoughts to the point that they could make people believe they had been picked up in the air. As far as I know neither of those things is currently possible using our current level of technological sophistication. The government does have the technological capability to interrupt or alter a person's thought processes by using some type of drug or high energy beam like a microwave beam, but the behavior that the victim would exhibit would be described as either randomly compulsive or psychotic. They cannot actually program people to think or behave a certain way, or believe a certain thing. If the government ever had that type of power they would be using it on everybody right now and Obama's poll numbers would not be going down the toilet, along with the people's opinion of the rest of congress. Given how power hungry our politicians are there is no way they could resist using it if they had it.
Now it is possible that the Feds could be using the abduction phenomenon as a cover for their own elicit abduction programs. They could be abducting people for whatever reason and then making them think it was done by aliens so they would end up looking like lunatics and not be taken seriously. It would be a perfect cover for them. There is no way to know for certain if they are though or for what reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2011 23:34:08 GMT -6
Great posts Steve and Sky. I really liked that video you posted Steve... its making me want to watch that program... but I'm sure I won't be allowed to...
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Post by Steve on Oct 23, 2011 1:15:13 GMT -6
I like what everyone has posted. I agree pretty much on everything with what Sky has posted. I have heard stories of witnesses, primarily government personal who were under normal military & legal authority directed to undergo drug (sodium pentothal) and hypnosis sessions to forget what the saw and experienced. But that would be the extent of it. One story was a Navy photographer in Da Nang - Vietnam during our long involvement there ordered to join in a patrol into the jungles to a crash site of a B-52 bomber. According to his story only, the B-52 was found intact on the ground in the thick jungle, as if gently laid down and placed there eerily. The crew (all 5) had been surgically mutilated all the same way. All were placed back in their seats when found. The witness was to document in photographs everything. The site was then completely destroyed in a air-strike to hide the wreckage for likely many reasons. The USAF used hot phosphorus which will burn even the aluminum in the wreckage. The witness returned to Da Nang and he reported later recently being 'debriefed'. Using the drugs and hypnotic treatments to forget all he saw. Only recently did his memory return, jousted back as the mind sometimes does. That is only how this story was able to surface. I have only one qualm about this story. Who in the jungle found this 'crash' and was suitably up to speed to distinguish it's strange characteristics from other crashes enough to call in a special patrol including photographers? Unless it was standard forensic practice (recovery teams taking dog tags and finger prints to confirm American personal for next of kin) ? Even in war time? I agree with Sky that most UFO experiences and repressed memories are not some Government direct mind control cover up as a general policy, because we do not have the technology being described. Or at least to a degree of any reliability in the field outside the experimental laboratory. Those that claim such possibilities are usually individuals that have had their own abduction experiences refusing to accept some possibilities. Frankly also to speculate realistically I hope....they would not have the time, having higher priorities keeping Mosques under surveillance. But whatever the 'agency' is, off world or not, the intent is the same, to leave 'zero trace' afterward. This might be the most humane way to conduct such operations too. The only other way to assure such a secret would be for these witnesses to have an 'accident'. I can't imagine someone bumping off their own with in their ranks for very long for many reasons. There are easier ways. So to the question - Contactees or Secret Agents? Maybe a little bit of both - sandwiched among a majority mingling around who are just simply curious because 'they once saw something'. More urban legions? Steve
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2011 10:44:20 GMT -6
Thanks all I'm sure to some of you it seems like we "rehash" this stuff, but talking about it "keeps it fresh" IMO. We just don't know when the slightest detail of the past may dovetail with something new...
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Post by lois on Oct 24, 2011 10:01:50 GMT -6
Steve .. My sons computer will not play any forum videos.. this is discussing..
I do believe they may watch the ufo forums..
We have nothing here which has not be said many times to the media..
What are they looking for?? Do you think?
Some times I think they don't really know so much and they may find someones memory on these boards will be retrieved..with new information.. That is a long shot..
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