Miami Orbs and MUFON Games

[Deleted]

Thanks for this, steve.

To me, the "probe" does seem intelligent on its own. For it to "make such a fuss" about being watched, I'm guessing "it" now realizes that it was being seen on surveillance cameras anyway.

I'm bummed that this family has moved several times, and it hasn't helped. I'm curious though; after moving, how long (generally) does it take for the family to be "found" again?

thanks

[skywalker]

Nov 11, 2011 0:26:39 GMT -6 Steve said:

Nov 7, 2011 22:41:51 GMT -6 skywalker said:

I think this is one of the cars they were talking about. It belonged to some privately funded group that operated on the west coast. I believe this one here was in San Francisco.



At least I think this is the car they were talking about. I could be wrong though. I do remember the thread on the old forum, I'm just not sure exactly what it was all about.

This guy was part of the various things I covered on my beat when I was the local Mufon Chief investigator then. Keeping tabs on this guy so someone didn't get embarrassed. A privately funded group? Not. Try just a nut who lives in Dublin, California. He briefly crept into UFO mania for a brief time. Was incensed no one noticed him. Scary really. Some people keep their Christmas lights up all year round, this guy it's Halloween. He just wishes to advertise the same way Harry and his truck announcing the end of the world. Part of his gimmick is to drive and take pictures of his car in various places around the SF Bay Area and posts of facebook. Does Face book really have a serious purpose? Internet bubblegum on the sole of your feet. I think he wants to make the public believe their is some kind of exo-politics ghost buster thing going on. His car license registration I think may have expired here too (just kidding).

You think a UFO witness would appreciate this car parked in front of their home for the neighbors to see? That should get witnesses to clam up for sure. See my point? This is what UFOlogy has become sadly. More egos.

Dr. Hynek save us.

Steve

Supposedly there were several of these cars all up and down the west coast. They were all ex-police cars painted with the same lettering on them. While I was searching the net I found people reporting that they had seen them in California, Oregon and Washington, and there was a photo of another car that was painted white instead of black, so there had to at least be two of them.

I also saw pictures of the same car in the photo above with different license plates on it, but certain details about it made it clear it was the same vehicle. He obviously was trying to make himself and his "group" out to be bigger than they were.

They had a website too but nothing has been posted on it for the past couple of years.

[ufo4peace]

Nov 10, 2011 14:33:02 GMT -6 @leia77 said:

If only the Admin over there were able to understand that... but I don't think they are capable of understanding that... they're too wrapped up in trying to impose their own beliefs on everyone else- well at least one of them is... *ahem* JJ... *cough*

Just call UFOmania failed counter-intel.

[ufo4peace]

Nov 11, 2011 9:00:09 GMT -6 skywalker said:

Nov 11, 2011 0:26:39 GMT -6 Steve said:

This guy was part of the various things I covered on my beat when I was the local Mufon Chief investigator then. Keeping tabs on this guy so someone didn't get embarrassed. A privately funded group? Not. Try just a nut who lives in Dublin, California. He briefly crept into UFO mania for a brief time. Was incensed no one noticed him. Scary really. Some people keep their Christmas lights up all year round, this guy it's Halloween. He just wishes to advertise the same way Harry and his truck announcing the end of the world. Part of his gimmick is to drive and take pictures of his car in various places around the SF Bay Area and posts of facebook. Does Face book really have a serious purpose? Internet bubblegum on the sole of your feet. I think he wants to make the public believe their is some kind of exo-politics ghost buster thing going on. His car license registration I think may have expired here too (just kidding).

You think a UFO witness would appreciate this car parked in front of their home for the neighbors to see? That should get witnesses to clam up for sure. See my point? This is what UFOlogy has become sadly. More egos.

Dr. Hynek save us.

Steve

Supposedly there were several of these cars all up and down the west coast. They were all ex-police cars painted with the same lettering on them. While I was searching the net I found people reporting that they had seen them in California, Oregon and Washington, and there was a photo of another car that was painted white instead of black, so there had to at least be two of them.

I also saw pictures of the same car in the photo above with different license plates on it, but certain details about it made it clear it was the same vehicle. He obviously was trying to make himself and his "group" out to be bigger than they were.

They had a website too but nothing has been posted on it for the past couple of years.

Wouldn't that be funny if a UFO squad card was spotted chasing a real UFO? ;D

[ufo4peace]

Nov 11, 2011 3:01:53 GMT -6 Steve said:

Notice the red dot to the upper right of the diamond orb? A red laser pointer (?)

That orange dot or light to the upper right is a car headlight reflection. If you brighten your screen you can make out the parked car or truck.

Get the PDF from M. Beall and you can see a daylight photo of the location.

"Figure 3: Reference Photograph #1 depicting November 13th, 2010 sighting diagram."

Here's the case report with the photo in question taken from the PDF.

November 13th, 2010 Sighting
The Primary witness along with his wife and mother observed a red object approximately 30 feet from their standing position in the front yard. The 3rd witness (the mother of the primary witness) has not submitted a testimony yet nor was willing at the time of the January 6th, 2011 STAR Team deployment. XXXXXXX the secondary witness was able to go inside and retrieve a camera to take pictures. The photos taken are provided in the CMS report system and within the photograph analysis attached to this report. The photographs depict what the witnesses observed at close range. The object was an upright rounded football or ovoid shape. The color was described as a red color, which seemed to resemble a hot glowing iron. The object was also described as pulsating or strobing a pattern. The primary witnesses described it as resembling Morse code but visual. The object also exhibited an erratic dancing like motion when it was stationary and moving. XXXXX (secondary witness) was able to get the closest to the object, in doing so the object proceeded to keep its distance from her by backing up. It was described that the object made precise movements with speed. As the object moved out of the front yard to the street XXXXXXX (secondary witness) continued to snap photographs with her Panasonic DMC-FZ30 digital camera. A total of 9 photographs were taken each with varying quality due to the low light conditions. The object approached the yard across the street slightly diagonally west southwest of the witness’s property. Once the object reached the opposite property and while XXXXXXX continued to approach, the object abruptly accelerated straight up at an unknown or impossible speed as described by the witnesses. The object was no longer visible (see figure 3 for site reference). The photographs and photograph analysis report are attached to this report. The object was said to have left a mark in the area in which the witnesses first observed it. At the time markings could not be observed due to low light conditions. A return to the site was later planned and implemented by Florida State Assistant Director and STAR Team field investigator Mary Margaret Zimmer.

On January 8, 2011 Florida MUFON Assistant State Director Mary Margaret Zimmer returned to the site to collect further physical evidence and to assess the front of the property where the said November sighting occurred. The spot marking could be observed along with a trail leading towards the street and an additional discoloration where the object was reported to have accelerated straight up. However it is probable these areas of discoloration are related to the sighting, the faintness, lack of definition and similarity to other landscape surface may lend itself as explainable. Further investigation will be required for these and other developing correlations.

[ufo4peace]

Nov 11, 2011 3:01:53 GMT -6 Steve said:

I have had copies of all the Homestead case photos for some time. As you remark, the Homestead Florida photos are reminiscent of some of Ted Phillip's small orb like lights his surveillance cameras have recorded in the secret area he and his team has been watching for some time in Missouri.

Marley Woods?

Nov 11, 2011 3:01:53 GMT -6 Steve said:

I have a much more interesting orb case. Iowa - 1997.

That does look like a good case. I wonder if someone could actually capture on of these probes if it gets too brazen. Set up a trap.

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"XXXXX (secondary witness) was able to get the closest to the object, in doing so the object proceeded to keep its distance from her by backing up. It was described that the object made precise movements with speed...." (from case report, above)

Of course I like this ;D . Something backing up from a human always makes me feel good.

However, I have thought of "other" reasons why it didn't want a human to get too close, that aren't so positive.

Steve, may be you don't prefer to answer my question above, and you've been so awesome about answering my questions. It's OK to say to me " I prefer not to answer" or something of the like. So, in this situation, I'm just wondering if my question was missed. (?)

I wanted to know, since it was implied that the witness and his family moved around a bit, and kept their homes under surveillance, how long it took for the "ufo presence" to locate them again?

[Deleted]

I also want to comment that I'm sorry to hear that "jj" seems to have become "obsessed" with one line of thought. Normally I would go over to that mentioned site and look for myself, but this is all the time I care to spend on this subject; these thoughts I convey here.

Though I know my personal situation is often very paranormal, "spiritual", etc., I did see three images of "serious men" in my bedroom. JJ spoke of an experience in which he "saw" a man crouching, as if hiding (?) next to an area where he was resting? In the short time I "knew" jj, he was hard pressed to admit anything personal that happened to him.....thus I was likely to believe this episode. It did get me thinking about human intervention. That's what other poster's do . It's up to me to reject others ideas.

[Steve]

I will make a contribution to the discussion later this evening I hope, have some family business to attend to. I will get back to you JCurio.

I did in the meantime do some photo enhancements lightening the darkness, and UFO4Peace seems to be quite correct, it is a white car and either a headlight, a wheel well area, or possibly a tail light - the red light lighted in the image lighting up. So maybe what is in the foreground may have more significance if the facts are indeed true as they seem to be. Gotta run, back later.



close up brightened up

Steve

[Deleted]

I agree Steve. That definitely looks like a car...

[skywalker]

The thing in the background with the orange light definitely is a vehicle. It looks like it might be a pickup or an SUV and the orange light is the marker light on the right front corner. It is reflecting the flash from the camera which is why it is illuminated like that.

Since that orange reflector is glowing so brightly it makes me wonder if the red "orb" might not be a reflector also. It could just be a diamond-shaped red reflector that is attached to a wire and stuck in the ground.

Since I have nothing better to do at the moment I decided to play around with enhancing the photo a little to see if I could find anything sticking out of the bottom of it. This is what I have found so far.

First I enlarged the photo and cropped the area around the orb. I then experimented with different effects on photobucket to see if any of them would bring out any hidden details in the photograph.

While using the "painting" feature in the "effects" catagory I noticed that there appeared to be a very thin, straight line protruding down from the bottom of the orb. It goes down for about an inch (in the photo) and is barely visible in the photo below on the left. In the photo on the right I highlighted it with a red line so you can see what I am talking about.



I then made another enlarged and cropped photo from the original and used the "sharpen" feature in the "beautify" section to try to bring out any other hidden details. If you look closely at the next photo you will see once again that there is a small gray/silver thing sticking out directly from the bottom of the orb. There is an arrow pointing to it in the photo.



Another thing I noticed about the "orb" is that although it is diamond shaped there appear to be two circles, one at the top and the other at the bottom, that are slightly brighter than the rest of it. They are clearly seen in the photo below.



In my many years of driving all over the highways and byways of America I have seen many road and construction reflectors along the side of the roads. They glow very brightly when headlights are shining on them, and would be illuminated even brighter if a camera were flashed at them. I remember seeing reflectors that look very similar to the "orb" in that photo.

I think it is entirely possible that the photo is a hoax. It is possible that the photographer may have attached a red reflector to a wire and stuck it in the ground then took a photo of it at night. The flash on the camera could have illuminated the reflector causing it to appear as if it were glowing.

I am not saying that it definitely is a hoax yet, only that it is possible. I am currently looking all over the internet to see if I can find a reflector that matches the shape of the "orb" in the photo. If I find one I will let you know.

[Deleted]

Good work Sky. I'd give you a raise if I were your boss... ;D

[skywalker]

You mean I would get paid more than nothing? Woo-hoo! ;D

[ufo4peace]

Hey Skywalker, you're way off. You need to read the MUFON case PDF that contains more photos, analysis. Also there were two sightings, one at night containing the photos and a daytime sighting where the witness supposedly observed a metallic sphere that left behind some singed grass spots.

[skywalker]

There is still a line of something coming down underneath that so-called "orb." The computer wouldn't have enhanced it if it wasn't there. I'll see if I can get copies of the rest of the photos.

[ufo4peace]

Nope, there is a clearer photo in the PDF. I adjusted the brightness/contrast in Photoshop and also the sharpening filter and don't see a line. You may be seeing pixel play from a low res image. I'll try and post images from the PDF later so you can see. Also from another photo it is elliptical.

[ufo4peace]

sites.google.com/site/topsecretresearch/Alien-Images/ufo_data/miamiorb/miamiorbmontage.jpg

** The above image was removed by Arctic Amazon from the thread but the link to the image was kept (see the URL above) in the original post to keep this thread readable **


In the larger image (cropped) from the PDF I applied brightened/contrast in Photoshop and I don't see a line where the grass/road is. There may be a slight hint of a line at the lower portion of the object but I think that's just the remnant of a point, as you can see in the other (photo montage) images.

[skywalker]

I tried the link but it won't let me download the file for some reason. It says I don't have permission to download it. What the heck does that mean? Does it work for anybody else?

[swamprat]

Wouldn't let me open PDF, either

[Arctic Amazon]

I think I know what's wrong.

The website it took me to is gmail. The PDF document is in your gmail account and nobody else can view it because they need your password.

I recommend you go into your gmail account, download the PDF file to your computer, then upload it to a public image sharing site such as photobucket.com, and try to post the images that way.

I also suggest that you make your images narrower so they do not make the threads look too wide. Some of the members have been complaining about the large and wide images you've posted.

Thanks.

[ufo4peace]

I better take that link down. I wasn't given permission. Try the man himself Morgan Beall. He sen me a copy.

Morgan Beall <[e-mail]>

PDF name: "FinalFinalCase27257.pdf"

Good luck.

[skywalker]

Thanks, dude. I'll find it somewhere.

[ufo4peace]

Nov 15, 2011 18:03:39 GMT -6 skywalker said:

Thanks, dude. I'll find it somewhere.

You didn't contact Morgan Beall?

[ufo4peace]

Nov 7, 2011 16:31:13 GMT -6 skywalker said:

This is why I also think that many of the best investigators are independents. Investigative organizations have a tendency to put too much emphasis on the organization and not as much on the investigation. They come up with all of these rules and regulations that have to be followed, they start jealously guarding their secrets, then the people spend all of their time trying to rise up through the ranks so they can have more power and influence over the organization. It becomes more about politics rather than investigating.

In all fairness I think MUFON's STAR TEAM did a good job if you read the PDF regarding this case that required a group effort. It had soil analysis, technical photo analysis etc. It was very professional. Something like that may be lacking with just one person who investigates UFOs.

Morgan Beall described the two forum people either from here or UFOmania intruding on the witness property as not being very well kept/unprofessional.

So a witness may be more comfortable dealing with an organization like MUFON vs a total stranger/ UFO enthusiast.

[skywalker]

Nov 16, 2011 1:26:05 GMT -6 ufo4peace said:

Nov 15, 2011 18:03:39 GMT -6 skywalker said:

Thanks, dude. I'll find it somewhere.

You didn't contact Morgan Beall?

Not yet. Me and MUFON are not exactly best buddies at the moment, although I personally don't have any problem with Mo. I'll send him an email.

[ufo4peace]

Nov 16, 2011 17:47:04 GMT -6 skywalker said:

Nov 16, 2011 1:26:05 GMT -6 ufo4peace said:

You didn't contact Morgan Beall?

Not yet. Me and MUFON are not exactly best buddies at the moment, although I personally don't have any problem with Mo. I'll send him an email.

He kind of got ticked off at me because of my statements about MUFON serving the intelligence community because they gather intelligence on people (witnesses) and what people are observing.

[skywalker]

If it's true, it's true. No reason for people to get mad at us for pointing it out.

[ufo4peace]

I figured it out who the person captured on video from this forum was that came to the witness property. It was Swamprat. Reading post here I see he lives I'm Florida and also has the grey or white hair and goatee/ beard from his profile photo. Also appears overweight. The skinny guy with him could have been jaded MUFON Steve. That's just s guess though.

[Deleted]

Im staying out of this except for this post here. I noticed Swamprat looks alot like my dad did, rest his soul. The only difference is his goatee which my dad didnt have.

What I'm saying is that many, many people fit his description which is quite fairly common in alot of middle aged men . I dont know if he did or didnt and really don't care, Im just sayin ,,,,,

[Deleted]

Cliff, he is just trying to get a rise out of people on here again.

His goal is to antagonize us. That is the only reason why he is here... to spew disinformation on us and tell us we are liars and falsely accuse us of doing things which we have not done.

His accusations are falling on deaf ears though. I think everything he says is a lie... I mean... almost everything he has posted lately has been a lie or a fantasy from his own imagination.

Let him live in his own little fantasy world. I implore all of the rest of you to not take his accusations seriously- because they are merely his own fantasies and nothing more.

Notice how he automatically assumes that just because swampy has a goatee and gray hair that he MUST be the person caught on camera. Like you stated Cliff, lots of older men have gray hair and goatees...

And then he takes his fantasy one step further and automatically assumes that Steve is the other man... when he does not even know what Steve looks like (this is obvious from the way he stated it... look at the wording... oh he "Could have been" Steve... yea... right... that means he has no idea if it's true or not... lol...).

The word "could" implies uncertainty... lol...