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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 3:38:17 GMT -6
UFO... the other man in that photo "could have been" you as well... lol... or anyone else in the world at that... but why did you pick Steve? He only investigates cases in California... I know this because he has said this on two of the radio programs he was on...
~rolling on the floor laughing~
I wonder how many overweight older men live in Florida who have goatees... probably thousands... lmao...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 5:46:11 GMT -6
The skinny guy with him could have been jaded MUFON Steve. That's just s guess though. Wrong again ! My "psychy" tells me Im going to be "targetted " next . ;D . Im about the only one on the forum that has'nt been "targetted". Im feeling kind of "left out"
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Post by Steve on Jan 12, 2012 6:53:40 GMT -6
I figured it out who the person captured on video from this forum was that came to the witness property. It was Swamprat. Reading post here I see he lives I'm Florida and also has the grey or white hair and goatee/ beard from his profile photo. Also appears overweight. The skinny guy with him could have been jaded MUFON Steve. That's just s guess though. Since you seem U4P to stupidly wish to draw my name into this. I have never been to Florida. Have you read the full Mufon final report on this case and it's conclusions U4P? I have many private friends in Mufon, and they were kind in forwarding me a copy of CMS 27257 final report which will still remain, as the report intends - confidential. Their is without clearly stating it in the final report (CMS 27257) some very obvious varying opinions. The SSD Morgan Beall and Mary Margret Zimmer seem to think the witnesses are credible. Scientific laboratory analysis of the many soil samples (both test and control samples) shows nothing unusual. Zilch. In the only photos taken in one of three alleged sightings reported, expert Mufon photo analyst Marc D' Antonio seems quite convinced it is a laser pen. Marc has done extensive analysis which is extensively the bulk of the report mentioning the very unique wavelength of the light, and even reproducing in his test experiments the exact same effect in the photos - it is almost without doubt a helium neon laser or a simple store bought laser diode pen. 'Analytical Analyst' Larry Cates suggests in the report studying the images 'is a salute to the sophistication of a hoax'. The football shape of the red laser light Marc D' Antonio states is 'attributable to the morphological differences in the wide variety of laser diodes found in the consumer grade laser pointers'. These are not my assertions, but from Mufon themselves. With this 'repeatable material evidence' of the laser pen, no ground traces showing any unusual exposure to anything anomalous, why this case determined by Mr. Morgan Beall to still be considered an 'unknown' - based alone only on the circumstantial subjective testimony and investigation of the contrasting witness testimony which flies in the face of the other scientific analysis - remains a mystery. Why Mufon even still consistently categorizes ordinary 'light in the sky' reports as category 3's too still baffles. You will recall in my earlier remarks in this thread I speculated (it seems correctly) it obviously looked to me to be a laser spot on glass. Seems Marc D' Antonio arrived after some time expended on experiments independently - the very same scientific conclusion. This so called video from the now questionable witness in which you claim there are prowlers on the witnesses property, seems to be just as doubtful as the rest of the witnesses testimony. You keep referring to a video u4p. Have you seen it? Does it even exist? This more dis-information on your part? The witness is reportedly in law enforcement and has a military background. Former policemen are capable of confabulation too, as many defense attorneys have demonstrated. I am not writing the witnesses have lied, but perhaps a fresh objective look at this case warrants considering this possibility again. Standing back till now in respectful silence - why are we even thinking most here have the case facts to even comment to begin with? I was attempting to ignore it, that is till my name now has been mentioned. Before you bub (u4p) start accusing flagrantly 'jaded mufon' (or not) persons such as Swamprat or myself of trespassing on private property, and interfering with a volunteer organization who's motives on the whole in the field at least are good and well intentioned, perhaps you would wish to hear from my attorney? I wish a public apology from you u4p to both me and Swamprat (Paul) for these insulting remarks. Steve Former Chief Investigator Former Star team Investigator/Star team State Coordinator.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 12, 2012 10:10:44 GMT -6
Cliff, he is just trying to get a rise out of people on here again. leia77, you're still really young. That would explain a lot of your post.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 12, 2012 11:26:54 GMT -6
Since you seem U4P to stupidly wish to draw my name into this. I have never been to Florida. That's right. I seem to recall you mentioning California on this forum. My bad, Swamprat could be the guy though. Have you read the full Mufon final report on this case and it's conclusions U4P? Yes. I have many private friends in Mufon, and they were kind in forwarding me a copy of CMS 27257 final report which will still remain, as the report intends - confidential. Their is without clearly stating it in the final report (CMS 27257) some very obvious varying opinions. The SSD Morgan Beall and Mary Margret Zimmer seem to think the witnesses are credible. Scientific laboratory analysis of the many soil samples (both test and control samples) shows nothing unusual. Zilch. In the only photos taken in one of three alleged sightings reported, expert Mufon photo analyst Marc D' Antonio seems quite convinced it is a laser pen. Marc has done extensive analysis which is extensively the bulk of the report mentioning the very unique wavelength of the light, and even reproducing in his test experiments the exact same effect in the photos - it is almost without doubt a helium neon laser or a simple store bought laser diode pen. 'Analytical Analyst' Larry Cates suggests in the report studying the images 'is a salute to the sophistication of a hoax'. The football shape of the red laser light Marc D' Antonio states is 'attributable to the morphological differences in the wide variety of laser diodes found in the consumer grade laser pointers'. These are not my assertions, but from Mufon themselves. With this 'repeatable material evidence' of the laser pen, no ground traces showing any unusual exposure to anything anomalous, why this case determined by Mr. Morgan Beall to still be considered an 'unknown' - based alone only on the circumstantial subjective testimony and investigation of the contrasting witness testimony which flies in the face of the other scientific analysis - remains a mystery. Why Mufon even still consistently categorizes ordinary 'light in the sky' reports as category 3's too still baffles. I think MUFON derived to the correct conclusion. There is nothing that indicates hoax except that the pure red color captured with a digital camera is similar to that of a laser. Who's to say the red orbs, UFO's people report don't emit similar light? The photo analysis only proved that the pure red light captured on a digital camera is similar to that of a laser. From the PDF: "This again as I say over and over, does NOT say that this is what they did. I am only providing a potential KNOWN to this unknown." Marc Dantonio is not claiming this photograph a fake but rather demonstrating that something similar can be done using a laser. Although the results are not exactly the same. From the PDF: "The differences in the actual shape of the football shape are attributable to the morphological differences in the wide variety of laser diodes found in the consumer grade laser pointers." Okay, what he recreates doesn't really look like the object photographed. Photograph #6 Photograph #7 Enhanced Photograph #9 Have a deeper concentration of red on the top and bottom portion of the object. This is consistent with the witness testimony. "Photograph Submissions The photographs of the November 13th, 2010...The object was described as a slightly translucent upright football shape, red in color with a pulsating characteristic in the center of the object. The photos reflected exactly what the witnesses observed." Marc Dantonio's photos are the same concentration of light. All of the witness photo's are not like that. You will recall in my earlier remarks in this thread I speculated (it seems correctly) it obviously looked to me to be a laser spot on glass. Seems Marc D' Antonio arrived after some time expended on experiments independently - the very same scientific conclusion. This so called video from the now questionable witness in which you claim there are prowlers on the witnesses property, seems to be just as doubtful as the rest of the witnesses testimony. You keep referring to a video u4p. Have you seen it? Does it even exist? This more dis-information on your part? I trust Morgan Beall is not lying. The witness captured a "former UFO Mania" member on video surveillance that was positively identified. The witness is reportedly in law enforcement and has a military background. Former policemen are capable of confabulation too, as many defense attorneys have demonstrated. I am not writing the witnesses have lied, but perhaps a fresh objective look at this case warrants considering this possibility again. Of course, that's always a possibility. Too often though people in Ufology think too highly of themselves and jump to conclusions. Standing back till now in respectful silence - why are we even thinking most here have the case facts to even comment to begin with? I was attempting to ignore it, that is till my name now has been mentioned. Before you bub (u4p) start accusing flagrantly 'jaded mufon' (or not) persons such as Swamprat or myself of trespassing on private property, and interfering with a volunteer organization who's motives on the whole in the field at least are good and well intentioned, perhaps you would wish to hear from my attorney? I wish a public apology from you u4p to both me and Swamprat (Paul) for these insulting remarks. Steve Former Chief Investigator Former Star team Investigator/Star team State Coordinator. I believe egomaniacal people have no place in a volunteer organization such as MUFON. You unwillingness to admit that you were the first one to bring up the Whillingham case in the ALIENS INVADE threat even though you didn't mention the person by name is pure ego. My advice to you is to step off you high horse and stop flashing your former MUFON credentials. Of course, Ufology is America does not receive the backing of the Academic community nor the scientific establishment. Nor does it receive proper funding. Constant bickering and complaining about UFO organizations is just a bunch of melodrama and is not doing the subject matter any favors.
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Post by auntym on Jan 12, 2012 11:45:39 GMT -6
I figured it out who the person captured on video from this forum was that came to the witness property. It was Swamprat. Reading post here I see he lives I'm Florida and also has the grey or white hair and goatee/ beard from his profile photo. Also appears overweight. The skinny guy with him could have been jaded MUFON Steve. That's just s guess though. ufo4p... i am getting really tired of your crap..... one more negetive word out of you and i will personally ban you from here.... consider this your last warning....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 11:48:43 GMT -6
Cliff, he is just trying to get a rise out of people on here again. leia77, you're still really young. That would explain a lot of your post. Hey, I may be young but at least I can make a post to this forum without needing an auto corrector to fix my spelling... ;D LMAO... I also fail to understand how an auto corrector (which you blame for your numerous spelling and grammatical mistakes) can put an apostrophe in the word "always"- however the cause of a lot of the things you post- errors, lies, false accusations and all else- will always remain a mystery to me... a mystery I do not wish to solve... ;D
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 12, 2012 13:12:40 GMT -6
leia77, you're still really young. That would explain a lot of your post. Hey, I may be young but at least I can make a post to this forum without needing an auto corrector to fix my spelling... ;D LMAO... I also fail to understand how an auto corrector (which you blame for your numerous spelling and grammatical mistakes) can put an apostrophe in the word "always"- however the cause of a lot of the things you post- errors, lies, false accusations and all else- will always remain a mystery to me... a mystery I do not wish to solve... ;D I blame Steve Jobs (RIP) not Steve. www.applegazette.com/mac/how-to-disable-auto-correct-in-os-x-lion/
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 12, 2012 13:14:51 GMT -6
I figured it out who the person captured on video from this forum was that came to the witness property. It was Swamprat. Reading post here I see he lives I'm Florida and also has the grey or white hair and goatee/ beard from his profile photo. Also appears overweight. The skinny guy with him could have been jaded MUFON Steve. That's just s guess though. ufo4p... i am getting really tired of your crap..... one more negetive word out of you and i will personally ban you from here.... consider this your last warning.... Well I disagree with Steve's assessment of this case. People in the UFO community need to stop bickering with each other. I'm more interested in UFOs.
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Post by Steve on Jan 12, 2012 15:28:46 GMT -6
U4P, like a bad marksman you still keep missing the target.
I have outlined facts. The Florida case assessment is not mine, but Mufon's. No one says in the report the UFO photos were faked, what was contained in the photos however is! Look at all the facts the report outlines. Everything science in the report can prove shows it is a laser pen, yet for wishful thinking a few still wish to believe the witness is telling the truth. There is no surveillance video either. That is just a faint by the witness once more, the person who investigated, or you!
Where is our apology U4P? To me, Swamp, and many others here?
Steve
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Post by swamprat on Jan 12, 2012 15:49:46 GMT -6
Ok, that does it; I'm going on a diet......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 16:01:50 GMT -6
Ok, that does it; I'm going on a diet...... ~hugz swampy~ I love you just the way you are... ;D I'm overweight too, no offense intended sir. Society has such a negative definition of "overweight" now. Why is it that everyone takes it as an insult? I don't think it's an insult. It just means you're softer and more fun to snuggle with!! (that's what I have been told at least... ;D) Am I right? Steve, he's not going to apologize to anyone. He still hasn't apologized for calling me a bimbo or for any of the other rude comments he has made. The man has no soul or conscience to speak of evidently.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 12, 2012 16:20:34 GMT -6
U4P, like a bad marksman you still keep missing the target. I have outlined facts. The Florida case assessment is not mine, but Mufon's. No one says in the report the UFO photos were faked, what was contained in the photos however is! Steve That would be an opinion not science. Claiming the witness is a liar or untruthful when never meeting him and claiming the MUFON investigator is lying about a video is a bit extreme IMO. Also the threats of legal action is a bit of an overreaction too. I think it's good you are no longer involved with the MUFON organization. By the way, there is a laser propelled light craft. I wouldn't rule out some UFOs or these red orbs people are seeing couldn't emit laser type light. But that's just me.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 12, 2012 16:52:12 GMT -6
Not only is there a laser propelled light craft but people often report beams from UFOs. They also report glowing, probably from plasma. Of course, the singed grass showed signs of heat. The image using a laser pointer was not the same as the witness photos although close. Now I wouldn't blame some people to have their doubts because of that alone but to claim the witness is a liar is going too far. It's better to say you have your doubts about the case because a laser pointer can achieve similar results and the physical trace evidence seems weak.
As for people who try and take the scientific high ground. Don't do that unless you have scientific credentials.
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Jan 12, 2012 20:28:34 GMT -6
Swamprat is not the person who was trespassing in Miami. Neither is Steve, or me, or Jjflash or Bewildered or auntym or jokelly or shamira or lerelei or touched or Bozo the Clown or Santa Claus or anybody else who is currently taking part in this forum.
U4P, if you don't stop antagonizing people you are going to get booted. I'm sure you probably don't care if you get banned from this forum or not because you obviously don't care about this forum, but the people here do care so will you please knock it off?
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Post by lois on Jan 12, 2012 22:46:27 GMT -6
I figured it out who the person captured on video from this forum was that came to the witness property. It was Swamprat. Reading post here I see he lives I'm Florida and also has the grey or white hair and goatee/ beard from his profile photo. Also appears overweight. The skinny guy with him could have been jaded MUFON Steve. That's just s guess though. Well you just better keep on guessing..
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 12, 2012 22:48:07 GMT -6
Swamprat is not the person who was trespassing in Miami. Neither is Steve, or me, or Jjflash or Bewildered or auntym or jokelly or shamira or lerelei or touched or Bozo the Clown or Santa Claus or anybody else who is currently taking part in this forum. What?! How do you know for sure? Here's Morgan Beall's original statement: "Yes we know of a former UFO Mania forum member that currently lives in Florida and have video of the individual according to the witness."I'm sorry but Edge Of Reality forum members would be suspect. I don't think Morgan Beall is lying either about a video. Full context: ufos4peace
Thank you for your questions.
Yes, I have read your post both on the UFO mania and others. I understand your frustration but disagree with your theories and accusations. That aside I would be glad to answer your questions and you may post this reply anywhere in full context of course.
First question answer; A week after MUFONs field investigation of the site in question. If you need an exact date I will look it up for you.
Question 2; Before my post. The post was designed to get a reaction. This was not a game as you implied and the individuals broke the Law and violated the homeowners privacy and trespassed after warnings from the homeowner further supporting the lack of their professionalism.
Question 3; The individuals claimed to have made a their investigation on behalf of UFO Mania. Yes we know of a former UFO Mania forum member that currently lives in Florida and have video of the individual according to the witness. It will be his call to press charges. So far it is water under the bridge and the witness is more comfortable about the public knowing about his experience. No, I will not give you or anyone his personal information, you have no right to it. The case was never secret but the location and personal info is. We have taken measures to affectively fix this breach. We are not perfect and we do our best.
Question from forum; One of the individuals was over weight 300+ lb with facial hair. The second individual was skinny possibly with facial hair but light. Both seemed unkept and unprofessional. The vehicle was dark blue or dark color older model volvo or other VW. The "smaller" individual was taking pictures of the front of the house and other portions of then property. After warnings to not to return to the witness's property they returned the next day despite the witnesses mother's pleas to leave the property. The witness is armed and is both trained in combat and is a law enforcement officer. These warnings where given to the individuals trespassing and both where lucky the primary witness was not home the second day which proves the igannance and disrespectful nature of the false UFO Mania investigators of which we do not feel the owners of forum are responsible for.
I would be glade to send you the full 78 page report about the sighting and trace evidence analysis. I am not at my office today but will send you a copy of which permission was given to us to release by the witness.U4P, if you don't stop antagonizing people you are going to get booted. I'm sure you probably don't care if you get banned from this forum or not because you obviously don't care about this forum, but the people here do care so will you please knock it off? The truth is you are no different than UFO Mania or JJ Flash. The same ban police & censorship nonsense.
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Post by lois on Jan 12, 2012 22:49:53 GMT -6
By the way this whole event may of never taken place. where is the proof. It was only something you read right?
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 12, 2012 23:03:20 GMT -6
By the way this whole event may of never taken place. where is the proof. It was only something you read right? Nope, there is physical trace evidence, photographic evidence, multiple witnesses. It's either genuine or a hoax. Either way a real event. And what does a law enforcement person have to gain by fabricating a report and staying anonymous? Don't understand that logic.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 12, 2012 23:18:00 GMT -6
I'm starting a thread on MUFON's forum postulating if some of these glowing probes or red fire balls like in the Miami case could be using something that is similar to a Laser Propulsion System (see video above) thus explaining the light similar to that of a laser. NOTE: Toward the end of the YouTube clip the light craft which resembles a flying saucer is being powered by a RED microwave BEAM from space and plasma is created.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 23:43:17 GMT -6
Censorship? Indeed?
By telling you to quit being a bully, that is censorship?
I wonder what it's like to live in that mind of yours... wow!
It is apparent that you feel sexual harassment, libel and slander should be tolerated, huh UFO?
How strange. I thought all three of those things were AGAINST the LAW... wow... you know like people have gone to JAIL and have been SUED for those things...
Haven't they already arrested people for perpetrating "Cyber Bullying"? I think I heard that on television recently...
I fail to understand why you think this sort of behavior is acceptable when the US judicial system disagrees with you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2012 0:04:29 GMT -6
I also fail to understand why the Admin of this forum has failed to boot you for:
1) sexually harassing ME by calling me a bimbo 2) sexually harassing ALL of the OTHER females on this forum by saying they are "desperate" for a man. 3) Spewing libel against Steve and Swampy by falsely accusing them of having done something they did not do and something which you have no proof of.
Just like Morgan Beal told you, it is not anyone's business but the witnesses and the people who broke the law. It is none of your business and you have no right to go around pointing frantic fingers at anyone who has facial hair.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 13, 2012 2:44:22 GMT -6
Censorship? Indeed? By telling you to quit being a bully, that is censorship? I wonder what it's like to live in that mind of yours... wow! It is apparent that you feel sexual harassment, libel and slander should be tolerated, huh UFO? How strange. I thought all three of those things were AGAINST the LAW... wow... you know like people have gone to JAIL and have been SUED for those things... Haven't they already arrested people for perpetrating "Cyber Bullying"? I think I heard that on television recently... I fail to understand why you think this sort of behavior is acceptable when the US judicial system disagrees with you. Well I guess I need to apologize since I don't want to go to jail. I apologize to Steve for claiming he was one of the former UFO Mania people at the Miami-Dade case. It appears Steve resides in California not Florida. I apologize to leia77 for writing stop being a bimbo. That was a poor choice of words on my part. I apologize to Swamprat for claiming he was the other former UFO Mania person at the Miami-Dade case. Even though it appears he lives in Florida and has facial hair I have no evidence that he was there.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 13, 2012 2:54:10 GMT -6
I overlooked this in the conclusion segment of the STAR TEAM PDF document.
Assuming the red object of the November 13th, 2010 sighting was physically present, the light source(s) containing high intensity omni-directional red light has been hypothesized as a means of information gathering and/or navigation much like laser light is used in current conventional means. According to Physicist Carl Paulson (MUFON STAR Team Analyst) laser light as applied to today’s current understanding only carries one bit of information. It can only be modified or varied depending on changes to its frequency by interference and/or reflection, it is still only one bit and would not seem viable for this function. The light characteristics (red) witnessed in the same region as described in the attached are likely correlating reports.
So the red (laser) light could have been used for navigation and information gathering.
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Post by Steve on Jan 13, 2012 4:47:32 GMT -6
The analysis geometry in the report seems to suggest the laser pointer is positioned on the car across the yard pointed at the window....
Apology accepted.
Steve
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 13, 2012 6:02:29 GMT -6
The analysis geometry in the report seems to suggest the laser pointer is positioned on the car across the yard pointed at the window.... Apology accepted. Steve The only way you'd know for sure would be by going to the witness property and replicating the photos by putting your theory to the test.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 11:49:21 GMT -6
"The individuals CLAIMED to have made a their investigation on behalf of UFO Mania. Yes we know of a former UFO Mania forum member that currently lives in Florida and HAVE VIDEO of the individual ACCORDING to the witness. It will be his call to press charges." Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ufos&action=display&thread=1675&page=5#ixzz1jSIyppsDWords in capitals done by me. I would think these statements were enough to keep trespassers away, and thus served their purpose. Steve, can you get permission to go down there? Sincerely, jcurio
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Post by skywalker on Jan 14, 2012 20:49:39 GMT -6
Steve is about a million miles away from that case. I think we might have to rely on MUFON to investigate this one, unless the two trespassers want to sneak back there again with a laser pointer and break into the witness' house to see what it looks like being pointed at their window.
If this was a laser pointer would we be able to see the beam from wherever it is originating? I've never actually had one pointed at me so I wouldn't know.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 14, 2012 21:03:33 GMT -6
Well I guess I need to apologize since I don't want to go to jail. I apologize to Steve for claiming he was one of the former UFO Mania people at the Miami-Dade case. It appears Steve resides in California not Florida. I apologize to leia77 for writing stop being a bimbo. That was a poor choice of words on my part. I apologize to Swamprat for claiming he was the other former UFO Mania person at the Miami-Dade case. Even though it appears he lives in Florida and has facial hair I have no evidence that he was there. I appreciate the apology, u4p. I don't know if you were serious about it or not but I'm going to assume (hope?) that you were. You said before that people in the UFO community need to stop bickering with each other. I'm sure everybody here would agree with that statement so how about if we stop the silly bickering and start talking about UFOs?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 21:39:43 GMT -6
If this was a laser pointer would we be able to see the beam from wherever it is originating? I've never actually had one pointed at me so I wouldn't know. Have a friend point one around you. Even set it up so that you don't know when your friend will do it. It is a good test of your "spidey sense" and I'm willing to bet you will know where to turn to look for where it originates, also . Always be advised that this type of light is not to be shone directly into the eye, and you should be able to avoid that, but be careful.
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