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Post by Morgan Sierra on Jan 11, 2011 11:24:35 GMT -6
I have been checking out some of the IP addresses of the guests who have been visiting the forum lately just to see where they are coming from and I was very pleasantly surprised to discover that we have a very wide audience. There were people visiting from all over the United States, from California to Florida, from Seattle to New York, and many places in between. Word of our little forum seems to be getting around. In addition to the ones in the U.S. I also saw three people from Great Britain, one from Germany, and one from Australia. There was also one from Washington DC. I have no way of knowing if it came from the White House or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Prez were checking us out. How else is he going to learn about UFOs? I mean, the government doesn't tell anybody else so why would they tell him? The most surprising thing that I saw was that there were over a half dozen different IP addresses all coming from the same town...Ashburn, Virginia. They kept popping up a couple of hours apart, at all hours of the day...even in the middle of the night! My curiosity was aroused so I decided to put my brain to work to find out what in the world was going on in Ashburn, Virginia. The first thing that popped into my mind was the CIA, because their headquarters is also in Virginia at Langley. A Google search turned up no connection to Ashburn though. Then I realized that the CIA normally deals with counterintelligence operations overseas. It is the FBI that handles most domestic surveillance operations, so I decided to check that out. Believe it or not there actually is an FBI training center located in Ashburn, Virginia. What this means is that there is a very good chance the Federal Bureau of Investigations is actually monitoring our forum! I just about died laughing when I found that out. Just think, we have only been here for one month and we are already on the FBI's most wanted list! ;D Of course, I don't know for certain that it is a bunch of federal agents who are keeping tabs on us. Maybe it is just a bunch of friends who are all interested in the forum...or maybe it is one person who has a half-dozen different IP addresses. Who knows? If it turns out that the fine young men and women of the FBI really are watching us I would like to cordially invite each of them to sign up and take part in the conversations. We can always use some inside insight from the G-people. You guys are always welcome here. I just hope one of you isn't named "Spooky" Mulder. ;D (Oh, yes...about that comment I made last week. That wasn't really me. It was just somebody pretending to be me. I was out of town that day. I didn't do it! Nobody saw me do it! You can't prove anything! ) I'm shutting up now...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 14:08:00 GMT -6
From everything I've heard..the 'Prez' hasn't expressed an interest in UFO's period (probably too controversial a subject for a man most interested in health care ) If big brudder is watching me..he's gonna get weallllllllllllly bored a lot There could be lots of FBI people who believe (Mulderish types) maybe some of them have seen Bigfeets
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Post by harmony on Jan 11, 2011 16:25:18 GMT -6
Hi big brother, love ya, mean it ;D
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Post by Arctic Amazon on Jan 11, 2011 16:39:13 GMT -6
Yea... like they're going to show us top-secret evidence of the Roswell crash... ~smirk~
I on the other hand would love to meet Agent Mulder... not the actor. It seems every other TV show and/or movie he is in, he always finds an excuse to be naked. I'm not sure why this is... and I'm not sure I want to really KNOW why this is... lol...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 16:44:24 GMT -6
I have a theory. Here's my paranoia theory going. ~puts on her nerd glasses and labcoat again~ ~ahem~ My theory is that everyone (in all forms of media, the internet included) who tries to show people whom have had encounters and/or experiences with extra terrestrial craft and/or beings are all mentally insane. Most of the people who are portrayed are "crazies". Just like in that video that was posted about the lady with the little "toy" which was purchased from an adult store. They try to ridicule people like us by finding the one crazy lady in the crowd and making an example of her. Those of us on this forum do not appear to be "crazies"... (except me of course This is a threat to their disinformation campaign. Of course they would be interested in monitoring this site. This is the reason. Maybe. Possibly. ~smirk~
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 21:25:11 GMT -6
Well...for starters we're sort of labeled 'Lunatic Fringe' in some circles. Haven't you noticed that abductions don't seem to happen to anyone who everyone would believe..nah..'they' seem to selectively research their victims with discreditably in mind. Thank you creepy little dudes for turning me into 'lunatic fringe'. Oh that does rub my fur backwards just a wee tiny bit. It's also probably the reason I selectively research those I share the event with ;D
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Post by skywalker on Jan 11, 2011 22:11:00 GMT -6
I personally think the Feds are monitoring all of the UFO websites. They have to for several reasons.
First is that a lot of "UFOs" are really Top Secret military aircraft or weapons, and the military can not afford to have photos of their super-secret spy planes plastered all over the internet. If one pops up they move in with the disinfo campaign to discredit it.
Second is because the CIA and certain other alphabet agencies have a lot of dirty laundry (like MkUltra) that they don't want aired out in public. If any of it pops up, they send in the stormtroopers and more disinfo.
Third is because the UFO community is filled with anti-government conspiracy theorists who are so paranoid they actually think they are being spied upon by federal agents who have nothing better to do than sit around looking at UFO forums all day. But some of the conspiracy theorists, like Gary Mckinnon for instance, decide to do a little bit more than just talk.
Considering all of that, I think it would be an extremely poor decision for them to not be monitoring us...especially since they don't need a warrant to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2011 10:42:32 GMT -6
It's a job. Want to collect a pay check at the end of the week? Monitor websites until your eyes cross. I'm sure that 99% of the time they're looking at information that's been passed and repassed around the web. They just might be interested in the one real sounding encounter that just might be out there someday. The one that happened last night not twenty years ago and the person just remembered or only remembers fragments. That would be my guess anyway
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Post by sansseed on Jan 12, 2011 15:03:21 GMT -6
I click "all of the above"
Plus, one more..., if one wants to keep track of their experiments or public fallout, then keep an eye on the forums.
For example, let's say that the mass bird deaths was due to some government experiment with HAARP or some other unheard of thing, then tracking the forums will give them an idea how it is being played out in public. How close to the truth is the public getting? The media may have dubbed us the "lunatic fringe", but we are also the ones asking all the questions and not blindly following the media message like lemurs.
I mean, that's what I would do if I was them. **shrug**
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Post by bewildered on Jan 12, 2011 16:22:34 GMT -6
The truth might surprise you or disappoint you, depending upon what you believed in the first place. Typically, conspiracy theories flourish in the absence of information. In the case of those times when the opposite of that statement is true, you will find that conspiracy theories flourish when supplied with adequate doses of disinformation. It is important to keep in mind that the most effective lie combines equal measures of truth and deception. That's what disinformation is.
The FBI and the U.S. Air Force both conduct cyber-surveillance of the internet. I'm not too surprised if certain visiting IPs allude to the possibility of visits from such a source. This does not necessarily mean that such entities are interested in this forum per se...they are interested in the internet itself. They keep a finger on the pulse of the world wide web.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2011 18:01:06 GMT -6
They also monitor 'trigger' words with some very special soft ware and this I know for certain. The use of certain words (especially in conjunction with others) attracts a lot of attention. Threats against the President, words associated with explosives (one of the words) and the like. Getting too carried away with what you say about the government also might attract the wrong response. This is kind of off the subject but not. I was holding horses for the horseshoer this morning and we were talking about how hard it is to get iodine (one of the words). You can't buy the stuff full strength any more as you once could. You can buy the crystals on line and make whatever strength you want. He said..you might not want to do that..the websites that sell it are 'traps'. Within days of getting it you'll find company at your door investigating you from your first breath on down the line. Happens to be a component used in making home things that go bang. I would imagine that right now..they may be looking at public reaction into bird and fish deaths. Just change the algorithm of the software to suit the occasion and they drop in for a visit wherever there is conversation of interest. Homeland security doesn't need permission to take it's job seriously and I gotta say..with all of the wacky people running around I understand it.
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Post by bewildered on Jan 12, 2011 19:01:05 GMT -6
jo: That's an unfortunate consequence of fear regarding security. Once it starts, it never ends; the truth lies somewhere in the middle of paranoia and complete dismissal. People demand security and safety and so they are willing to trade certain liberties in exchange for some perceived measure of it; at the same time, they don't want to lose their liberties and protest when these are taken away in some perceived manner. In the end, we discover that ideas such as freedom and safety are themselves a matter of perspective: what's slavery to one is liberty to another; what's safety to some people is an illusion to others. Without educating ourselves by seeking information and forming judgments on our own, we'll never know for sure what we encounter in the media is true, a lie, or a combination of the two. The latter is usually the case in my experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 0:55:48 GMT -6
I can only see things becoming more strained in the future Bewildered, when it comes to security. As a people, we 'demand' the government protect us from threat, we don't have the option of deciding how (or to what extreme) they do that. I'm pretty sure it isn't my hide they are concerned with protecting LOL
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Post by Arctic Amazon on Jan 13, 2011 1:40:44 GMT -6
I can only see things becoming more strained in the future Bewildered, when it comes to security. As a people, we 'demand' the government protect us from threat, we don't have the option of deciding how (or to what extreme) they do that. I'm pretty sure it isn't my hide they are concerned with protecting LOL That's for sure Jo. They're too concerned with protecting their own pocketbooks.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 13, 2011 8:26:22 GMT -6
I think that the recent events involving Gary Mckinnon, who supposedly was registered on a UFO site under the name "solo," and Jared Loughner, who reportedly was a member of abovetopsecret.com going by the name "erad3," are only going to increase the amount of internet surveillance that takes place.
Since UFO and paranormal phenomenon websites are a magnet for anti-government conspiracy theorists, and since some of those people are eventually going to decide that action speaks louder than words, it would be in the best interest of both the public and the government to seek these people out before they take action, rather than after they already have.
Personally, I don't mind if Big Brother is watching this forum or any other one. I have nothing to hide, and if I did, I wouldn't broadcast it all over the internet. I just thought it was kind of funny to see a half-dozen IP addresses all coming from a town that just happens to have an FBI training center in it. That wasn't something I was expecting to see.
Of course it's possible it might have just been a coincidence and they may have nothing to do with the FBI. We won't know unless they sign up and start talking. Either way, I would still welcome them here.
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Post by paulette on Jan 13, 2011 10:11:13 GMT -6
I am always grateful when people go to the trouble of posting info they found (making it easy for me to read and think about it). In the spirit of this helpfulness, which abounds here, let me leave a few quotations for whomever might be in Virginia or anywhere else wondering - who are these kooks who believe in UFOs? (Or maybe not wondering but having to monitor this stuff as part of their job).
The following info is from the book UFO briefing Document by Don Berliner (might be listed under Whitley Strieber as his Hidden Agendas is in the front) 1995. Kick back and enjoy:
On the subject of UFO's - Victor marchetti, former CIA official (Second Look, vol. I. no. 7, Washington DC, May 1979):
"We have, indeed, been contacted - perhaps even visited - by extraterrestrial being, and the U.S. Government, in collusion with the other national power of the earth, is determined to keep this information from the general public.
The purpose of the international conspiracy is to maintain a workable stability among the nations of the world and for them, in turn, to retain institutional control over their respective populations. [If the news were to get out]..once fully perceived by the average person, [it could] erode the foundations of the earth's traditional power structure...The national oligarchical establishments, even civilization as we now know it, could collapse into anarchy."
and now a few presidents (of the USA) Harry S. Truman (April 4, 1950 White House Press Conference)
"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth."
President Gerald Ford (in a letter he sent as a congressman to L. Mendel Rivers, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, March 28, 1966)
"...because I believe the American people are entitled to a more thorough explanation that has been give them by the Air Force to date, I am proposing that either the Science and Astronautics Committee or the Armed Services Committee of the House, schedule hearings on the subject of UFOs and invite testimony from both the executive branch of the Government and some of the persons who claim to have see UFOs...I strongly recommend that there by a committee investigation of the UFO phenomena."
President Jimmy Carter (during his election campaign in May 1976)
If I become President, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sights available to public,and the scientists. I am convinced that UFOs exist because I've seen one...
President Ronald Reagan (address to the United Nations Gneral Assembly, Sept 1987)
In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much united all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences world-wide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.
Ok...that's just a taste.
Thing is, the more officials say "weather balloon" or "it was the planet Venus" particularly to dismiss the experiences of trained observers like pilots, policemen, armed services folks....the more people (like us) say, "There IS a cover-up." Of course, its easier to dismiss stories of being drawn up on beams of light and beings materializing through walls. But if folks from a civilization (maybe that's not the right word but...) have gotten here, are here, and are messing with earth creatures including people, where exactly can one draw the line?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 11:50:26 GMT -6
I keep asking myself..why though? If whatever visited was benign or helpful would they have any cause to keep it silent? It might be interesting to start a thread for opinions on why a government or several might suppress information.
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Post by auntym on Jan 13, 2011 11:57:42 GMT -6
I think that the recent events involving Gary Mckinnon, who supposedly was registered on a UFO site under the name "solo," . i remember 'solo' who was on the old mufon forum, he was into aliens & ufos.... some people were very mean to him on the old forum, and one day he just deleted everything and left....i was really upset by this, because i thought he had a lot to offer, i also remember when gary mckinnon hit the news and his name being solo, many of us remarked "could it be him?" i always felt it was.... the time period would of been late 2006 & 2007... i know during that time period, gary mckinnon was not allowed on computers because of a previous court ruling, i think if he was as good on a computer as people say....i think he would have found a way.... but i really don't know.... i also hope gary mckinnon gets off.... and if the U.S. were smart they'd hire him to break into their computers so they'd be able to find the weak areas.... i'll get off my soap box now.... .... PRAY FOR GARY MCKINNON
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Post by skywalker on Jan 16, 2011 0:07:11 GMT -6
Well, there have been a few interesting developments since I broke the news that a half-dozen IP addresses from Ashburn, Virginia were watching us as guests. I speculated that they might have been feds since there is an FBI training center there.
Immediately after I reported that all of the IPs from Ashburn have stopped watching us. Now there is not a single Ashburn IP anywhere.
There is now, however, 13 different IP addresses from Mountain View, California. All in one day. What does this mean? I'm not sure. I did a google search on the FBI again and there is no FBI office in Mountain View, but there is one just a few miles away in Palo Alto. It's possible the IP locator could have been off by a few miles. Or maybe I'm just reaching for straws here. Who knows? It was just a thought. Maybe it never had anything to do with the feds, since there are other possibilities.
What is really interesting now though, is that my grand parents used to live in Mountain View, California...and so did I for a brief period of time when I was just a baby. What are the odds of that happening? Forty years after I used to live there a bunch of Mountain View IP addresses are suddenly popping up on my forum.
I wonder what's going to happen next?
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Post by sansseed on Jan 16, 2011 9:25:20 GMT -6
Again, I say there is no such thing as coincidence. That is interesting, and a bit creepy. Was the original IPs 13 in number too?
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Post by skywalker on Jan 16, 2011 11:22:15 GMT -6
Again, I say there is no such thing as coincidence. That is interesting, and a bit creepy. Was the original IPs 13 in number too? No, the IPs from Ashburn, Virginia only numbered 6 or 7. Mountain View, California now has 13. Either they are stepping up the surveillance or something else is going on...but what else could it be? I remember Stiver mentioned something about web-bots on the old forum before I got banned from it. I don't have a clue what she was talking about though.
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Post by sansseed on Jan 16, 2011 12:47:22 GMT -6
Hmmm, I'm no help there. My web/network/computer knowledge is quite limited.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 17:48:20 GMT -6
Again, I say there is no such thing as coincidence. That is interesting, and a bit creepy. Was the original IPs 13 in number too? No, the IPs from Ashburn, Virginia only numbered 6 or 7. Mountain View, California now has 13. Either they are stepping up the surveillance or something else is going on...but what else could it be? I remember Stiver mentioned something about web-bots on the old forum before I got banned from it. I don't have a clue what she was talking about though. I'm not sure about "Web bots" but I know what a regular "bot" is. I have encountered many of them in yahoo chat rooms. "Bots" appear in chat rooms advertising websites... most of the "bots" on yahoo are "porn bots". They are not human beings. They are computer programs. They are the reason why when you have to sign up to join this forum you have to do the "captcha" thing. Bots can't read the "captcha" because they are only computer programs. A member will enter the chatroom and say, "Hey! My roommate just got home from class! We're both nineteen! Cum and see our web-cam!" This is a typical example of a "porn bot". Some of the bots are quite sophisticated. I received a private message on yahoo messenger last week. The message said, "There you are! It's been a long time!" I didn't recognize the user name, so I said, "Who is this?" The person responded, "Oh... you don't remember me? That makes me sad! Maybe if you see my webcam you'll remember me!" I had an "aha!" moment, and blocked the bot. "She" almost had me fooled.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 20:56:18 GMT -6
There is a more sophisticate variety of web bot which crawls cyberspace and are used for all sorts of things. Surveillance..they look for phrases that terrorists might use. Web sites use bots designed to gather information for spam mail and the like. A good programmer can have them doing many things. Like this article from Urban Survival..web bots report in information they have gathered throughout the net and look for patterns. Danger zones, where a terrorist strike is likely. This is really pretty controversial and on the verge of paranoid in my opinion. There are all sorts of web bot predictions based on word patterns and like finding hidden 'clues' in the bible. It's interesting but one of those things that I'm just not totally comfortable with. www.urbansurvival.com/webbot2.htm
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Post by lois on Jan 16, 2011 22:40:55 GMT -6
This thread reminds me of the Movie, Condor with Robert Redford. Does anyone remember it.. He worked in a place where all you did was read news articles. They search all government documents and such.. read all articles pertaining to top secrets. He goes lunch and when he returns everyone he worked with was killed right there at their desk.. He went into hiding.. Just a thought I had.. lol
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Post by lois on Jan 16, 2011 22:53:43 GMT -6
Sorry! I know this is a serious discussion , but it is what came to mind.. and it was not Condor but Three Days Of The Condor. .. what ever happen to freedom of speech in this country. Our government sees all
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Post by lois on Jan 16, 2011 22:58:45 GMT -6
Blame it on technology, they have the net now and a better advantage than ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 23:15:43 GMT -6
That's it in a nutshell..the bot takes of the job of the reader which may save someone from being shot
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Post by sansseed on Jan 17, 2011 8:15:21 GMT -6
There is a more sophisticate variety of web bot which crawls cyberspace and are used for all sorts of things. Surveillance..they look for phrases that terrorists might use. Web sites use bots designed to gather information for spam mail and the like. A good programmer can have them doing many things. Like this article from Urban Survival..web bots report in information they have gathered throughout the net and look for patterns. Danger zones, where a terrorist strike is likely. This is really pretty controversial and on the verge of paranoid in my opinion. There are all sorts of web bot predictions based on word patterns and like finding hidden 'clues' in the bible. It's interesting but one of those things that I'm just not totally comfortable with. www.urbansurvival.com/webbot2.htmThanks! Although, the link is a bit scary/creepy. Speaking of coincidence, after responding to skywalker about not knowing anything about web bots I really didn't think much more about it. Then last night I was watching History Channel's "Decoded", and in there they spoke about web bots and how they are used for predicting. Granted it was just a small blurb on what web bots can do, but it was more than I had heard before. But, here is my question..., when predicting web bots go out and read everything that is on the web and reads frequency and assigns values to words. So, is it reading the mood of the web and hence the people of the world? For example, if it was predicting an earthquake in the next week. The web, or the people don't know that an earthquake is going to happen. So, are we unconsciously tapping into the earthquake and hence coming through with what is posted/created on the web?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 12:02:07 GMT -6
Welllllll...I can see how they can 'forecast' the possibility of some terrorist attack by monitoring, collecting and collating the information from all all areas of the country. That's not so hard for me to swallow..Predictions by bots..I just can't stretch my brain that far to accept it. Predictions to me are made by 'feelings' and bots just can't do that.
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