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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2012 12:33:26 GMT -6
Being threatened or silenced is not part of my life experience regarding UFOs. However I used to live on a street in Austin that was mostly student and hippie housing. Old wood frame houses that the owners didn't care if they were painted weird colors or who came and went. Because it was the 60's, people smoked but there were no hard drugs. However we had an "undercover" agent assigned whose job seemed to be to misinform us and keep everyone edgy. So he would come tell us that, as our friend, we needed to know that there would be a search in a day. Everyone would run around and scrub their room or house. Then it wouldn't come. Then 10 days later (after everyone relaxed and went back to what they were doing) it would happen in the middle of the night. (I had moved out by then). No friendly warning. Remember that the possession of a small amt of smoke was a years long sentence in a penitentary with people who had murdered other people. Or an involuntary commitment to an insane assylum if one's parents could get a good lawyer - and months or years of thorazine - a true zombie drug. Our agents "help" was actually terrible as it was part of a complicated set up. In some cases these agents got altered with their subjects - and slept with women to gain access obtain information. Somehow they justified such actions to themselves. Let me be clear here - I'm not talking about drug cartels or massive amts of anything going anywhere. No guns, no explosives, no "pushing" at schools - a few college age adults experimenting with smoke. The real deal - those who imported heroin and such - don't know if they had the attention we did because they did not advocate for social change, march in peace parades, publish underground newspapers. We were a threat to the status quo. UFOs witnesses have been too and that's why the campaign of disinformation and dismissive journalism is so well practiced. Thank You, Paulette. I've heard about these sort of things, but nothing like hearing it first hand, from a trusted friend . We need to be reminded this. It wasn't about the drugs. It was about changing the "world" with activism. And as you also pointed out, this all happened not long before drugs were used as the disabler.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2012 22:57:36 GMT -6
I think I really appreciate my small little valley a lot more than I did
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Post by randy on Jul 24, 2012 0:49:52 GMT -6
On vacation at Brookings Oregon while eating in a small harbor restaurant I listened to a conversation among some older men on a fishing trip. they were talking about a UFO landing on a hill top near where they live an the local flap it caused. The feds came out and interviewed all the witnesses to the event and then told them all not say another word about it or else. As one fisherman said "Now every one is too scared to say a thing" You can learn alot sometimes by being a fly on the wall. big brother is covering up UFO landings with threats against the witnesses.
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Post by paulette on Jul 24, 2012 10:54:47 GMT -6
Interesting. When we were in Haida Gwaii (Queen Charlotte Islands) I listened to A LOT of conversations in small cafes. Sometimes I'd go over and say, "I couldn't help but hear...." and then ask them something about rocks. I got a LOT of info and it was freely given. Being there reminded me of my old hometown - everyone (but my parents) sat in the cafe attached to the store and ate breakfast or had a warm cinnamon bun and talked. People pulled up chairs to sit with friends. The conversations boomed through the air - no one was worried about who heard what. It was a time when door and windows and cars were NEVER locked and things stayed where you put them. We live in different times now...sigh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 12:27:43 GMT -6
Times don't always change for the better...so we change ourselves for the better...I'm thinking
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Post by randy on Jul 26, 2012 0:30:36 GMT -6
things depend on who is in power in DC. We are prey to the political whimsy of those in power. I recall court cases were being pushed while the policies had changed with the new administration and the law no longer applied. Stopping the court action was difficult as the lawyers were supporters of the cancelled out law. Any more examples I could give might inflame some people and that is not my goal. Bad guys often depend on who is in the White House
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Post by randy on Aug 7, 2012 0:08:50 GMT -6
The recent shooting of people in a Sike temple was lunacy but it pointed out a situation that some may not have considered as far as big brother watching. the southern poverty law center came out and stated that they had been watching the shooter since he had tried to buy articles from some extremist group. consider that for a moment ignoring politics involved. An NGO has taken upon its self the task of tracking people and type casting them as enemies of the people. How did they know he tried to buy what ever it was in the first place. Do they employ spies or monitor credit card purchases? In such situations it is difficult to separate the emotional response to the crime involved. But a NGO having no authority has assumed it and people are following it like demented lemmings.
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Post by randy on Aug 8, 2012 23:40:12 GMT -6
An interesting point in the Sikh shooting is that the shooter in the army was involved in psy ops which is an area in which it would be easy to meet spooks as in CIA types. I happened to hear an argument between Timothy Mc Viegh and his handler telling him he had an image to create for the public so I am prejudiced against all such cases as frauds from the start. It is possible that the Sikh shooter was converted in the army, then discharged to establish a racist identity then having done so he was used to create an emotional crime for exploitation politically. That is what Mc Viegh did right down the line. having said this it is time to get back to UFOs and the greys
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Post by randy on Aug 25, 2012 20:17:11 GMT -6
As a side note on the Southern Poverty Law Center all politics aside The US Army is using them to teach officers to weed out white racists from the army. They will be able to recognize such and remove them from the military with the help of the SPLC Just looking at the basics of the program they are creating in effect political commissars who will judge a person on political beliefs. It is a touchy area of conversation but the reality is there that is what they are. The SPLC a NGO is purging the army of people it believes to be racists. Not content with removing the racists they will notify the police to watch them in civilian life. Offend the SPLC and your life is over. Nothing about other forms of racism. I hesitate to mention this as people react emotional to this area of discussion. Just looking at the program it is really creating political officers regardless of title. They are watching for real
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 2:13:41 GMT -6
Not an easy thing to join the military now. They're not discouraging people from leaving either. Uncle Sam has a pretty big payroll and last I heard..you'd better have a few semesters of college under your belt before you knock on that door. I'm thinking that's not a bad idea. I get tired of hearing about enlisted men who don't want to fight if a war crops up. So..um..why DID you join? Well for the perks of course..steady pay...education...travel...dates but certainly not to defend the country. That's a bit...well...tacky. I'm glad they're getting pickier.
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Post by randy on Aug 27, 2012 0:44:34 GMT -6
As I have read it the SPLC is reading computer mail from service personnel in Afghanistan looking to pounce on those who are not PC. Is that legal? The military over history has been the home for some unique people such as Patton. Custer, Mc Aruthur, Stillwell, etc who would have been hard pressed in civilian society. War is not a debate between polite little girls it is grim business at best and you better be the winner. Reality is often not what the public it told and odd balls are sometimes exactly what is needed to win. Patton was needed exactly as he was not PC. Stillwells walk out of Burma was the work of a unique person not a cookie cutter product. etc Not wanting to spend alot of time on things not UFO when an NGO is censoring messages home from our troops that is going too far. They have no legal right to do it. They have assumed authority and no one stops to say hey wait a minute this is wrong. they are nothing they have no authority to sweep the sidewalk let alone monitor private messages.,
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 12:46:47 GMT -6
Internet mail is ALWAYS monitored somewhere by someone. War..is as any disagreement. Both sides believe they are right or there would be nothing to fight over. We have a tendency to think everyone should live as we do and therefore we follow the 'oppressed'. Had we been born in their countries..we would think as they do. Being born over here..does not make us right...something we just haven't learned yet Usually..they have something we want..oil or something else worthwhile..ahhh...the purest of motivations.
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Post by randy on Aug 30, 2012 22:45:34 GMT -6
That a NGO is monitoring private internet mail to compile files on people to use later to denounce them as racists before the public is scarey in that sounds too much like the Gestopo the opportunity to abuse such a system is huge. Dont like your neighbor monitor him then denounce him. Sounds too much like Stalin era Russia. They are assuming a policing function with out any public over sight or controls. they can run amock literally like the French Revolution Today people just lose their jobs and careeers tomorrow they could be sending people to be executed. We have the FBI for such things we dont need a political motivated NGO assuming police functions
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Post by paulette on Aug 30, 2012 23:02:36 GMT -6
1984 - It just came a little later than we thought it would.
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Post by randy on Aug 30, 2012 23:08:39 GMT -6
The history of the Mongol empire has been an interest of mine. they conquered new land and considered the people there in the way and so removed them. Encountering a passive city they were delighted as they kill every single person there. It was good grazing land. some times you cant reason with hostile people. by not standing up for your own beliefs and culture and your right to live people will simply destroy you totally and not even blink over it In our complex world we have the right of exist and to live in freedom as we have chosen to do. Recently a swedish woman wrote an interesting article on Sweden where she says they were told that as a people they had no customs and culture worth preseving as such diverse peoples moved in to enrich them with their presence. Ignoring the politics of it such a move has been a disaster for them. The woman realized that the Swedes had a way of life that was worth preserving it made them Swedes. As Americans we have a culture and customs worth preserving. We lived free for a long time until more recently when things started to go to crap. We have to stand up for our culture or it will be lost for ever. In the past people wanted America. japan intended to dictate peace in Washington not Singapore. People today want parts of the US for various ethic enclaves they would rip apart our country to establish new cultures in place of ours New peoples would rise to replace us. Should we passively accept this Hispanics in part want to take back the southwest and west for Mexico. some black extremists was a black country set up in the south some whites equally want a white country set up in the northwest. then there are the external threats who if you are weak will rise up and eat you for grazing land like the mongols did in the past. We must be strong in our beliefs as a people our we will fall. it is simple in concept. Those who are fit to survive do those that are weak do not.
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Post by randy on Sept 16, 2012 23:52:03 GMT -6
a couple of years ago I went to a casino with my wife in another city and we were eating there and a young couple eating at a near by table were joined by another couple and the woman of the arriving pair said "Is that Randy?" hearing that I was put on guard and it kind of spoiled my time there thinking about that comment. It could have been coincidence but that is stretching a point. My father who was in law enforcement said "If you think you saw something you saw something" In other words dont doubt your senses. The young couples seemed to be watching me for something but I never did figure out what it was
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Post by randy on Sept 22, 2012 23:00:50 GMT -6
These are some the traits of a terrorist according to DHS. A terrorist pays cash for coffee. A terrorist has a food storage program. Mormons including Romney are terrorists, Terrorists have political bumper stickers. Police are advised to check out cars stopped for traffic violations if they have anti UN bumper stickers, A terrorist flys the US flag and is concerned about liberty. A terrorist probably owns gold. An interesting omisssion is anything to due with bombs or illegal weapons. DHS is expecting a large influx of "immigrants" nest year and is setting up housing and processing sites for them. immigrants is and interesting term. From where is this title wave coming from? Do they speak American English? america is the land of the free they said
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Post by skywalker on Sept 23, 2012 6:39:49 GMT -6
They also said that anybody who defends the constitution is a terrorist. It looks like those FEMA camps will be filling up pretty soon...
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Post by lois on Sept 23, 2012 11:33:16 GMT -6
They have enough of those camps to house people in the millions Fema does not deny them. A spokesman or head man at Fema told these are for refuge in case of a catastrophe which may be true. Why the barbwire? Maybe in case we did need to lock up the bad guys.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 23, 2012 11:35:48 GMT -6
The nazis told the people that the Jews were just being taken for "resettlement" when they werev really being taken to concentration camps and the gas chambers. All governments lie. I don't believe a word the government says.
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Post by paulette on Sept 23, 2012 12:50:29 GMT -6
The Canadian government took second generation Japanese Canadians, along with their parents and put them in internment camps after taking their houses, boats, and goods that they could not carry. Fortunately they did not take the children away from their parents (as the First Nation children were - experiencing forced relocation to "school" and also forced adoptions). Maybe because no one wanted Japanese children? David Suzuki, a reknowned naturalist, said that because he was half white he was regularly beaten up in the camps yet (on his release) not accepted by white children. My husband and I are going to visit one camp in BC - its near Lilloet in very rocky desolute terraine. Cold, with little likelihood of having a garden. Isolated beyound belief - even now, the roads in that area are bad to drive in the summer and icy in the winter - I imagine they lived without fresh food for many months of the year.
Make no mistake - its been done before. It can be done again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 6:25:36 GMT -6
I'm assuming that its a place you have to want to go to, and not just for rock-hounding. I admire your pluck for doing this. Childhood can be so horrible. I better stop there. In some ways, I wish there were cameras every where back then, but some people would think of this regular beatings as entertainment. The gentleman mentioned may have memories of both adults and children looking on, and not doing anything. He survived it somehow. Even in my middle-class suburbia, as a child I was aware of "out-ranked children". Usually they were not athletic and a little chubby (not fat ). Their personal torture was subtle, but there.
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Post by paulette on Sept 25, 2012 12:47:37 GMT -6
I want to walk the ground. If there happen to be rocks nearby that would be fine too. Probably not until next year. It's an expensive ferry ride and 3 tanks of gas (and an overnight) away.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 25, 2012 19:36:20 GMT -6
I've always wanted to go to Russia and visit the remains of some of the gulags in Kolyma where all of the political prisoners were sent to be worked to death. I feel a very strong connection to it for some reason...maybe because of all of the books I have read about it. If you ever want to read a good one that tells about life in the labor camps check out Journey Into the Whirlwind by Eugenia Ginzburg. It's one of the best books I have ever read. She wrote another book called Within the Whirlwind that picks up where the first left off. I hope you get to go visit that camp someday, Paulette.
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Post by randy on Sept 26, 2012 10:31:20 GMT -6
More news on big brother. the new smart electric meters can tell what appliances you are using and when and report that back to the electric co or who ever. Rent to own computer companies have been reading data on those computers and taking photos of the interior of the renters home as well. Hope the renters were dressed. Cleveland has installed chips in its garbage cans to record what you are doing with your garbage. If you are out of the norm the city checks your garbage and you can be fined got to produce your quotas of garbage. It is now legal for toll roads to record license numbers of cars that pay cash so users can be tracked. Even hot dog carts are encouraged to watch for terrorists buying hot dogs with cash
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Post by randy on Sept 26, 2012 10:59:48 GMT -6
The poor in hong Kong is some cases live in wire cages stacked up in warehouses with the floor of the cage being a mattress Literally waehousing people this idea is now being spread here with micro apts of 220 sq ft total space. Rabbit warrens of people are easy to watch and can hide little Living in the woods of Oregon with my nearest nieghbor a mile away such a life would be culture shock at the least. Th social problems would be immense How about a bite of new soylent yellow just came out
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Post by paulette on Sept 26, 2012 15:54:27 GMT -6
Saw a news cast last night about 220 sq foot apartments in San Francisco. The size of an RV. They looked like they were aimed at the upper middle class - who want to live downtown. However I agree with you Randy. You could hardly hide the fact that you had a house guest (or fugitive). Collecting things - rocks, cars, whatever obviously is impossible. Even stockpiling food. I am way too far left of center to want to live like that. Maybe as a student I might have - because I didn't own much besides some clothes and books. Here's the Japanese version: www.dailycognition.com/index.php/2009/01/01/top-ten-ways-japanese-live-small.html
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Post by randy on Sept 30, 2012 22:53:06 GMT -6
I would rather live in the wilds in an old mine than in a micro apt in a large city ..some these old mines could made into nice homes with marble walls
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Post by skywalker on Sept 30, 2012 22:56:00 GMT -6
Speaking of Big Brother watching people I have been having some major problems with them today. I'm still attempting to deal with it. I'll fill in the details as soon as I get my computer to work correctly. What a mess!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 0:32:06 GMT -6
Speaking of Big Brother watching people I have been having some major problems with them today. I'm still attempting to deal with it. I'll fill in the details as soon as I get my computer to work correctly. What a mess!
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