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Post by Steve on Feb 8, 2011 23:41:59 GMT -6
www.johnemackinstitute.org/center/center_news.asp?id=227Dr. Mack was one of several speakers discussing British officer T.E. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia") at the T. E. Lawrence Society Symposium, in Oxford on Sunday. (Dr Mack's 1977 biography of 'T.E. Lawrence, A Prince of Our Disorder', received the Pulitzer Prize in biography ; see complete bio below). Dr Mack's Sunday afternoon presentation at the symposium was warmly received and he was asked to stay and present an additional talk, which again met with positive response. On Monday, he spent time in London and went to dinner with friends. On his return that night to the home at which he was staying in North London, while traveling on foot from the tube station, he was struck at approx. 23:25 by a silver Peugeot 306 headed west on Totteridge Lane. Dr Mack was crossing the street near the junction with Longland Drive. Dr Mack was attended to immediately by two male pedestrians, and swiftly thereafter by a firefighter who resided nearby, who responded to the sound of the accident. The driver of the Peugeot remained on the scene. When authorities arrived, the driver was arrested on suspicion of driving with excess alcohol. Dr Mack lapsed from consciousness moments after the impact, and was pronounced dead a short while later at the hospital. (A difference in the recorded date of his passing - 09.28 or 09.27 - is due to the official pronouncement of death occurring in the early minutes of 09.28). Dr. Mack and his wife, Sally (Stahl) Mack, divorced in 1995. He leaves a sister, Mary Lee Ingbar of Cambridge, MA; three sons, Daniel of Boulder, Colo., Kenneth of Almaty, Kazakhstan, and Tony, of Cambridge; and two grandchildren. Steve
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Post by lois on Feb 9, 2011 0:35:00 GMT -6
Thank you Steve.. I missed it somewhere along the way. I had not seen him in the news for awhile. I did read most of his books. Keep up with him and Jacobs and Budd all through the 90s.
How is Budd doing? I have not heard about him lately either.. I knew he was sick.with cancer. He is still with us isn't he?
Lois
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Post by skywalker on Feb 9, 2011 1:33:33 GMT -6
Yes, Budd is still here. He hasn't kicked the bucket yet.
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Post by bewildered on Feb 9, 2011 6:44:27 GMT -6
I just noticed this thread. I wish I had sooner. Lorelei's "soapbox derby" makes me smile. You've made my day! Bud Hopkins mentioned this film on his website. He does not like this movie at all. A lot of my friends who live in Alaska are mad about that movie because it portrays Nome as a small town in southern Alaska with trees and mountains. Nome has no trees. Nome has no mountains. Nome is like an arctic desert with an occasional little bush and little mounds... the movie also portrays most of the population of Nome to be white. Nome is mostly populated by Natives... (this is what I've heard... I haven't seen it). Now wait just a cotton-picking minute. You mean we've been had? Bamboozled? Well doesn't that just put the bees in my bonnet. Well...not that I wear a bonnet, of course...but if I wore a bonnet, there would be bees in it. And I'd be madder than a wet hen about it, too! It's beginning to sound like all the myths I've heard about Alaska aren't true. You know, that it's mostly populated by lonely gals and a handful of dudes so ugly and smelly that even the polar bears prefer to remain upwind from 'em. They're kickin' out the kind of B.O. that curdles milk on contact. You know, Sasquatch-kind of smelly. That's what I was told, anyway. I bet that isn't true, too. (my joking aside) I honestly don't think many people realize that, lorelei. While of course there are bona-fide cities in Alaska, it is still very much a frontier. Rhode Island it's not. And I hate to break this to you, skywalker...but it's bigger than Texas, too. What about those dudes that smell like Sasquatch? Do you think that's what those polar bears think when they catch wind of their rank "blast 'o goodness?" Just curious, is all. The polar bears I know are likely fat and lazy compared to the ones up yonder. I can't help but wonder if they catch a whiff, think better of it, and go after something less...well, less ripe. Joking aside again...good point about the perils of the wilderness that still exist in the American frontier, which when you're talking about Alaska is a great deal of territory...areas of land that dwarf every other state in the Union. Thanks for the parts that made me smile. I needed that today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 13:27:02 GMT -6
Sorta makes the 'perils' of UFO's seem small by comparison
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 16:09:51 GMT -6
It's beginning to sound like all the myths I've heard about Alaska aren't true. You know, that it's mostly populated by lonely gals and a handful of dudes so ugly and smelly that even the polar bears prefer to remain upwind from 'em. They're kickin' out the kind of B.O. that curdles milk on contact. You know, Sasquatch-kind of smelly. That's what I was told, anyway. I bet that isn't true, too. Well... there ARE some ugly guys here... and there ARE some who do smell bad... probably a great deal more than one would find in a metropolis. There are a few people who live in rural places who come to the grocery store once a month. When I moved back home from NC, the first thing I noticed about the people in the grocery store was how most of the men had beards, and how everyone was wearing ratty paint-stained blue jeans and smelling of either cigarette smoke, fuel oil, or wood smoke. It brought a tear to my eye because I was home. There are a lot of hard working people up here bewildered, and when one works very hard to survive because one is not spoiled by the luxuries of living in a modern society where most things are taken care of by others, one tends to forget personal hygiene... and one often does not have access to a shower very often in certain rural locations. Smelly people don't bother polar bears... LOL... I hate to break it to you BW, but all of us are supposed to stink in nature. We go against nature in every way we can. Our society has taught itself that smelling "natural" is "bad". This was not always the case in our human history. Aside from having a more pleasant impact on our sensitive olfactory glands, (more sensitive now than say, 200 years ago...) good hygiene of course is good for health reasons. I'm just saying that quite a few people up here do not have the luxury of a shower whenever they "need" one, so a city person would definitely be "offended" by such people because a city person has absolutely no idea what survival in a frontier-like setting is all about. Bears do not like the smell of soap however... this is a proven fact. For some reason us humans don't mind the smell of soap. I think that's funny, I'm not sure why. It amuses me to no end... And, just so you all know, I've lived in a house with electricity and a well all of my life. Thankfully... in MY neck of the woods... the water is good. The same cannot be said of many other places in Interior Alaska where taking a shower in such water could be hazardous to one's health... but yea. As for the lonely gals... I am one of them... but that's because I refuse to do what all of my other friends and my sister did. I refuse to become an army wife... not that I don't like soldiers... but while working for AAFES I heard some stories... many many stories of wives cheating on husbands, husbands cheating on wives... it seems the morals of many of our soldiers are in short supply nowadays... OK it's not just the soldiers, it's ALL young people in my generation... but I digress...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 18:10:10 GMT -6
Thank you for the 'heads up' Lorelei but as long as the good lord made water I figure bathing in it is less offensive to me than I otherwise would be. IOW..I don't care if I go against nature..I smell darned good and not at all like a grizzly
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Post by Arctic Amazon on Feb 9, 2011 18:21:58 GMT -6
LOL. I share your opinions too jokelly. I bathe every day and most of my customers comment on how good I smell... they don't believe me when I tell them it's a cheap store-brand body-spray lol... but it is common for me to encounter people who do not smell quite as good as I...
~hugz~
I've never smelled a grizzly. I've smelled foxes though... they're pretty stinky IMO...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 19:05:38 GMT -6
I haven't smelled a grizzly but other bear yes. Sadly it was dead but it's smell wasn't unpleasant at all actually.
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Post by auntym on Feb 25, 2011 11:36:17 GMT -6
www.unexplainable.net/UFO-Alien/Alien-Abductions-Defying-Formulas.shtmlAlien Abductions: Defying FormulasBy Chris Capps 2/24/11 If you think you may have been abducted by an unknown cosmic force, it's virtually impossible to tell exactly how the circumstances will play out for you specifically, but there are mountains of testimony from people all over the world that seem to suggest a few specific themes from which you can draw a few expectations - if they prove to be accurate. But there are also a few common misconceptions people have added to the phenomenon that seem to have come from popular media exclusively. Any form of folklore or speculation is widely affected by media programs that speak on the subject from a position of authority. In reality virtually nothing about the UFO phenomenon is completely consistent, nor can any single element come to be expected. Accounts have ranged over the years from people coming into a room and then talking an individual into walking into a mysterious craft (or beam of light) to the most commonly reported "grey" style aliens coming down from a beam of light and then paralyzing a person before taking them onboard their craft. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 12:42:12 GMT -6
www.unexplainable.net/UFO-Alien/Alien-Abductions-Defying-Formulas.shtmlAlien Abductions: Defying FormulasBy Chris Capps 2/24/11 If you think you may have been abducted by an unknown cosmic force, it's virtually impossible to tell exactly how the circumstances will play out for you specifically, but there are mountains of testimony from people all over the world that seem to suggest a few specific themes from which you can draw a few expectations - if they prove to be accurate. But there are also a few common misconceptions people have added to the phenomenon that seem to have come from popular media exclusively. Any form of folklore or speculation is widely affected by media programs that speak on the subject from a position of authority. In reality virtually nothing about the UFO phenomenon is completely consistent, nor can any single element come to be expected. Accounts have ranged over the years from people coming into a room and then talking an individual into walking into a mysterious craft (or beam of light) to the most commonly reported "grey" style aliens coming down from a beam of light and then paralyzing a person before taking them onboard their craft. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK "The fact that people report various incidents suggests -though it doesn't necessarily prove - something more may be at work." YES. It indicates intelligent beings similar to us human beings who are capable of thought and strategy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2011 19:14:39 GMT -6
This raised the hair up on the back of my neck when I watched it... the only question I have is... why did they only take her for 13 minutes?
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Post by lois on Mar 30, 2011 20:02:22 GMT -6
Wow!.. If aliens took her they dematerialized her first. The same way they passed through solid walls. She sure was not gone long for an abduction. This could be some other type of phenomena but since she seen a ufo prior to this it makes one wonder..
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Post by sansseed on Mar 30, 2011 21:52:21 GMT -6
My first instinct is to throw this on the side of a hoax. Except, I remember reading about one abduction report (I want to say a Jacobs book) about two lovers and the women was taken while they were in bed. He described her as "going down" and when she came back "she just came up". In the mean time he was just frozen. Hence, he was looking into the same area as she left and came back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2011 0:23:21 GMT -6
Who says they are unknown 'cosmic' forces?
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Post by Steve on Mar 31, 2011 21:53:48 GMT -6
An abduction researcher and experiencer named Chuck Weiss was the first with permission to show this video in the United States on February 26, in Sacramento, California. I was not present because I was on a field case then, but several present at that Mufon meeting gave me a detailed description. This video footage never seen before in the U.S. of an abduction in progress was taken with an infrared camera. Other than being a guest speaker that day, neither Chuck Weiss nor this case are associated with mufon.
Several other things related. The couple are Muslim, which is inconsequential other than they maybe even more private about relating their reported experiences. Chuck Weiss at the meeting apparently related to the group present that the woman experiencer was told by the aliens in later abductions/contacts that they had their permission to show the video. So if that is true, they knew about the video being taken, or discovered it later perhaps during a memory download and consented to the video not being erased, as has been the usual case when this is attempted. Past attempts at video recording are usually fruitless other than the camera recording the time period the camera is rendered inoperable.
Many abductees report from conscious memories about being floated. In 'Witnessed: The Brooklyn Bridge abductions' by Hopkins, Linda Cortile was reportedly seen by witnesses not dematerialized, but physically floated out a high story apartment window - then up into a craft hovering overhead. But if you read this wonderful book (I highly recommend this book - read & enjoy either as fact or as great fiction), you will know that that apparent abduction was to be a 'demonstration' for United Nations Secretary General Javier Perez de Cuellar and his security people. So if that was the case, did 'they' use a 'less sophisticated - sophisticated' means to show off? Is the usual method demineralization? Assuming this is an authentic depiction - do we really know enough to know this is the usual way it is done?
It could be hoaxed too of course. Lowering oneself down between two twin mattresses, then a simple device to lift the body horizontally up again - accompanied by shots of air to balloon up the bed sheets? The reported experiencer I was told earlier is a large woman. But her size does not seem that apparent when i view the video. I replay and watch also what else is going on in the scene. Since we are supposed to focus our attention on the action, I naturally want to replay and watch what else might be going on in the room. Nothing apparent I can see anyway. Nothing from the window above the head of the bed too, no flashes or anything else.
There is one curious thing, the bed sheet on the experiencer's side at the foot of the bed while the body is supposedly somewhere else.... the sheet seems to curve up in one spot, it's not very relaxed. Too much starch? Or something else?
But also, no one seems to be asking for any sum of money publicizing this video - the only wish being to respect it's copyright.
I knew one experiencer (he was actually our homeowners association's property manager. I can share that now only because he has since passed away last June 2009). He remarked being usually returned by being floated over his bed, with his wife on the other side of the bed. The entities who were not present physically (like in the video) sometimes did not get the altitude right. He would be usually dropped (flopped?) down onto the mattress. This would usually wake his wife. She would stir from the jostling, and he would remark "they just brought me back again." In my questioning, that was the only real sense from the wife's standpoint anything had ever happened. Some relate passing through the cieling, attic & roof. This experiencer related it seemed to him as if the ceiling and roof - as he was lifted up out of bed facing upward - seemed to as if to 'disessemble' itself - then when returned - the ceiling seemed to reconstruct itself - closing up above him. Did it physically do this? Or was his mind perhaps trying to relate such an unnerving experience - grasping it just the best way he could?
If this video was in fact true and an accurate depiction of how it is done, we are really hopelessly outclassed here. Open skies, and open season for humans.
If it is a hoax, it is a impressive one. I am giving it the benefit of the doubt for now, and wait and see what might surface related to this video. Either someone fessing up, or conversely - another independent new video coming forward - supporting this one - recording similar events.
Interesting too how she disappears ala 'Yoda'.
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Post by lois on Mar 31, 2011 22:56:50 GMT -6
She does appear to go down into the mattress, but I think she dematerialized. A witness and abductee in Australia seen the aliens materialize in a beam on the ground, which would mean at some point they had to dematerialize in the craft first....She is about the only case I have ever encountered where the witness talked about such things. I remember the first time I seen Star Trek and they said beam me up Scotty..
I thought of my Mother telling how the being floated in through her bedroom wall which was an outside wall. Then wondered is it possible this technology that the pilots of UFOs possess? Then Australian witness, now this video.. Makes one wonder..I can't wait to see the follow up in this case. Not believing of course that it is real. I could not say or even imagine which it is..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2011 0:55:13 GMT -6
I always did figure we were quite out classed.
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Post by lois on Apr 1, 2011 11:30:22 GMT -6
I believe we are too Jo
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Post by lois on Apr 19, 2011 22:47:30 GMT -6
Here is a video which would give a person a very graphic image to say the least. Human mutilations. From a speaker at a Mufon meeting. . there are many parts to this video, I will only put one part here.
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Post by lois on Apr 19, 2011 23:02:10 GMT -6
The speaker in the above video is a homicide detective..
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Post by lois on Apr 19, 2011 23:05:45 GMT -6
I will put one more part 4..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2011 3:16:38 GMT -6
Wow... that's scary Lois...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2011 10:33:36 GMT -6
Mutant humans or mutilated humans? We have humans mutilating other humans..who can blame 'aliens' for jumping in there. We've had serial killers who figure it's a good night on the town to tie off limbs (all of them) then amputate them letting the victim live long enough to realize the head is next. What alien can top what we do to ourselves?
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2011 10:43:23 GMT -6
No one is for sure about the mutilations Jo. Some of our serial killers do things like the above and maybe most of them are done by humans hands.. England had their Jack The Ripper.. There is a case in the UK with a police officer. The one with the victim dump on a large hill. Was it Coal? Not sure.. His body was not mutilated as bad as the above victims, but if true it was a grusome act.
You have been describing these aliens are awful beings, instead of the here to help mankind.. I would have to agree with you if they have done this mutilation to one human. I will see if I can find that case.. The police officer himself was abducted who found the body..
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2011 10:47:14 GMT -6
Lorelei.. Yes it puts terrible thoughts into anyone who has been abducted.. Needless worry is what the subject here is doing.. I guess Mufon accepted him to tell his story.. He may not have a clue about his personal cases so he grabs at any straw..
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2011 11:18:50 GMT -6
Here is a case of someone passing away because of a ufo encounter...I told this on Mufon, but could not locate the file I had on it from a report given to the National UFO Reporting Center back in the year 2001.. The encounter took place in 1947.. Cleveland Ohio.. Remember sending this report to me Louise? It as ten years ago you sent it.. I never forgot it.. It may no be a mutilation case, but it sure is terrible if true.. Steve had said he never heard of this case when we were at mufon.. I posted my 1947 encounter and my friend went on line to read it.. she told me it was not there but found this case instead.. I did not have my own computer then..
NUFORC Home Page Web Report Indexes : by Event Date | by Location | by Shape | by Posting Date National UFO Reporting Center Sighting Report Occurred : 6/1/1947 02:30 (Entered as : 1947 02:30) Reported: 4/23/2001 21:50 Posted: 2/5/2003 Location: Cleveland, OH Shape: Light Duration:about three hours It was about 2:15 in the morning when my wife woke me from a deep sleep and began to complain of stomach problems. As I was getting out of bed to get her something to drink, I heard what seemed like a strong gust of wind banging the shutters against the house very loudly. As I approached the window to see if it had been raining, a light of some sort, so blinding, appeared out of the darkness. The windows then violently thrashed open and I went completely paralyzed. All I could hear was what sounded like a thousand sirens ringing and my wife screaming in the background. All of a sudden I began to levitate. My wife had also been paralyzed and was floating, in midair right next to me. I cant remember what happened from that point on but when I came to, I found me and my wife outside, in the middle of our yard. When I looked over at my wife I could see she wsas screaming but I couldn't hear anything coming out. All of a sudden there was a complete silence, and let me tell you, I remember to this day that I have never heard a silence as silent as it was at that moment. Next thing we knew we were transported by a beam of light into what seemed like complete darkness. I couldn't see my wife, I couldn't feel my body, and I didn't know wether I was floating or strapped down. But I could feel this pressure, this invsible force, that was compressing my lungs to the point where I couldn't even breathe another breath. When I tried to scream, nothing came out, I didn't even know if I was breathing anymore. I began to hear my wife gasping for air and once I could hear her, the pressure got stronger and I tried to take a deep breath but inhaled nothing but some sort of fluid that filled my lungs so much I could feel my skin burning as if it was tearing off my body. It was then I began to hear my wife screaming the most awful, horrifying screams and I could do nothing for her. I began to weep as a sharp pain engulfed my entire body. It almost felt as if someone carved from the bottom of my legs through my spine, and up! my body with a dull knife. I have never felt pain so terrible in all my life. I passed out for what seemed like eternity. As I regained consciousness, I'm sure I saw my wife standing in front of me, and it seemed like she was reaching to embrace me, but when I tried to reach out for her, it felt like I had been thrown back and slammed into a brick wall which turned out to be the ground in my yard. I looked over and saw my wife laying next to me motionless. All the pain was gone and I looked over again to see my wife turning. I got up as if I was never even touched or moved or thrown around. I went over to help my wife up, and as I saw the expression on her face, everything inside of me burst because I knew that they had taken her from me forever. My wife died that night and to this day everyone believes that she passed in her sleep because the coroner could find no trace of injury and no sign of trauma that could have caused her to die. I never told this story to anyone.
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2011 11:45:17 GMT -6
Cleveland Police dept. would still have a case about a woman found dead in her own yard I would think.. How long do they keep records? It may of been a silent heart attack from what ever trauma was happening at the moment..
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Post by sansseed on Apr 20, 2011 11:52:18 GMT -6
Mutant humans or mutilated humans? We have humans mutilating other humans..who can blame 'aliens' for jumping in there. We've had serial killers who figure it's a good night on the town to tie off limbs (all of them) then amputate them letting the victim live long enough to realize the head is next. What alien can top what we do to ourselves? Isn't that the truth.
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2011 11:59:57 GMT -6
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