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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2011 12:07:17 GMT -6
Alan Godfrey abduction.. part one
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2011 12:11:24 GMT -6
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2011 12:32:05 GMT -6
These three tapes does not show the whole story of Alan that I have from sightings. He tells at the time of his abduction how he found a man on a coal heap out in the middle of nowhere..In the video I looked like a 100 ft high.. He seem to of died from a heart attach. Alan said no one would go upon this coal heap. He was missing a shoe on one foot .. had very strange markings on his body. His clothing was all torn up... It showed a re enactment of the autopsy done on this man.. It was very strange.. This man had no automobile in the area.. at the time he was found alone.. The area had a ufo flap going on at the same time..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2011 15:20:00 GMT -6
Actually Lois..I don't think they are 'awful' at all and I don't think they are responsible for mutilations. I think they are here for their own reasons and none that we would like to believe they are here for. I'm not convinced at all that there is more than one group responsible for all of the misdirection and confusion. I believe..they can manipulate space, dimensions, energy and perhaps time and that part of their 'experimenting' is measuring human reactions to their manipulated situations. We could very well be just a nice big laboratory for them. But that doesn't make them 'awful' by a scientists standard. Insensitive and cruel tricksters maybe but not destructive. They seem to be without concern for our laws or ways, which to me..sort of says they regard us as a lower life form..and that's something the ego of the human being is not going to be happy with. I honestly believe that the answer isn't as complicated as we might think. One group of aliens..bent on their own agenda..taking notes as we face the paranormal, 'alien' encounters or abductions. Even the animal mutilations would figure into that. Maybe they study our reasoning capabilities when faced with improbable mysteries. I truly believe they would draw the line at human mutilations or killing.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 20, 2011 18:37:27 GMT -6
Hi, Shami. If you want info on the Alan Godfrey case I can find you a link to a thread we were doing about it on the other forum.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2011 21:34:02 GMT -6
Maybe you should just duplicate your work here rather than link there...IMO
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Post by skywalker on Apr 20, 2011 23:01:28 GMT -6
I might do that Jo. I would hate for all of that effort to go to waste.
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2011 23:41:36 GMT -6
Sorry Jo. I misunderstood you for so long.. I never thought you thought aliens were benevolent.. I hope some are like the ones who show abductees a screen with world destructions and not prob their bodies. There could be alien ships coming here who are not that far ahead of us who don't look at us as ants.. and they are the ones if they are here hope I encountered, if not I never want to know what happen to me..
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Post by yamacycler on Apr 21, 2011 10:23:35 GMT -6
Wasn't there a thread on the old Mufon forum entitled human mutilations. I do seem to recall one there with a photo with a warning about it being extremely graphic. I only viewed it once. Like you Jo I don't believe "they" are here performing such a gastly function. The cattle mutilations unmistakable.
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Post by lois on Apr 21, 2011 11:50:25 GMT -6
Yes Rex, Patty put those on.. I have not thought about them since.. too grusome.. It was some man in south america..
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Post by auntym on Apr 21, 2011 22:14:41 GMT -6
alien-ufo-research.com/user_submitted_encounters/abduction-alien-implants-and-inoculations.php Alien Abductions Possible Alien Implants Throughout an Entire Life TimeDate Submitted: 03/21/2011 Visitor: Tracy C Just came across the site today and found it very interesting and informative. I believe that myself and my child have experienced contact with life forms from elsewhere, however, we discuss this only between ourselves- not even the rest of the family, as many are rather pragmatic people, and would consider us quite mad. I feel that I have earned some type of repreive, having been their "lab-rat" of sorts, for decades, and I just dont know of any where else to turn. Most ppl just scoff when it comes to alien subjects- many inmy family openly laugh at the concept of "little green men". funny- WE arent little green men, so i dont see why any other race would be, but thats another story all together. If possible- I would like to know if there is a person who can help me make sense of the events/memories etc and be a support system. I want answers! I want to know WHY they did this to us, why they keep doing it, and what exactly is the point? what are they trying to do? study us? breed us? transport us? all the above? One very strange event... when i was in school- maybe kindergarden or grade 1- when kids get vaccines in school- we were all in line waiting to get our shot... I dont recall if i got the shot or nnot- I suppose I must have- but when the lady told me to give her my hand- ( she was giving kids a happy face stamp on the back of the hand) I expected to get a happy face stamp like my friends, but it felt sharp and hurt! then i pulled my hand away and there was a triangular shape pattern of many needle dots! like it was a needle-stamp. i asked to see my friends stamped hands, and they all had happy faces- i did not. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by Steve on Apr 21, 2011 22:50:41 GMT -6
alien-ufo-research.com/user_submitted_encounters/abduction-alien-implants-and-inoculations.php Alien Abductions Possible Alien Implants Throughout an Entire Life TimeDate Submitted: 03/21/2011 Visitor: Tracy C Just came across the site today and found it very interesting and informative. I believe that myself and my child have experienced contact with life forms from elsewhere, however, we discuss this only between ourselves- not even the rest of the family, as many are rather pragmatic people, and would consider us quite mad. I feel that I have earned some type of repreive, having been their "lab-rat" of sorts, for decades, and I just dont know of any where else to turn. Most ppl just scoff when it comes to alien subjects- many inmy family openly laugh at the concept of "little green men". funny- WE arent little green men, so i dont see why any other race would be, but thats another story all together. If possible- I would like to know if there is a person who can help me make sense of the events/memories etc and be a support system. I want answers! I want to know WHY they did this to us, why they keep doing it, and what exactly is the point? what are they trying to do? study us? breed us? transport us? all the above? One very strange event... when i was in school- maybe kindergarden or grade 1- when kids get vaccines in school- we were all in line waiting to get our shot... I dont recall if i got the shot or nnot- I suppose I must have- but when the lady told me to give her my hand- ( she was giving kids a happy face stamp on the back of the hand) I expected to get a happy face stamp like my friends, but it felt sharp and hurt! then i pulled my hand away and there was a triangular shape pattern of many needle dots! like it was a needle-stamp. i asked to see my friends stamped hands, and they all had happy faces- i did not. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK This is a familiar scenario I hear so many times. I would love to discuss her case privately with her. Many here know about me. Wish I could help. Have the qualified people in place willing to work probono with her right now. AuntyM, can you find and get her in contact with me? Steve
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Post by skywalker on Apr 22, 2011 6:18:52 GMT -6
I went to the website where she supposedly first posted this but I couldn't find anybody named Tracy C registered there. Their forum only had one person posting on it in the past week...it was pretty much dead. Sorry, dude. It looks like a dead end.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 9:26:25 GMT -6
according to the website (which is a nice one) she came on as a visitor and there's not a registration. Maybe..if she's looking now..she'll find her way here and Steve will get a chance to speak with her.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 10:01:50 GMT -6
Lois: I never have considered them to be bad or good. I think whatever they are..they are wrapped up in their own pursuit and that we shouldn't try to put our own wishes and desires into the equation. We have to try to observe them as impartially as we can while understanding that they will not be thinking or processing ideas as we would. "Alien" means unusual..foreign..not familiar and that they are. It's disturbing to me when people get their hopes up that these beings are angelic or the benefactors of humankind and it disturbs me when people think they're here invading or seeing us as snacks. Actually...they have not shown a thing in either direction. They remain elusive and avoid any mutual contact and that needs to tell us something. I'll admit that I am not particularly fond of the beings my friend and I encountered. What does it say for their race that they 'kidnap' and subject kids to such a terrifying experience? That they did no lasting damage doesn't excuse an act that goes against our laws. I don't excuse that but I go by my own research into the word 'alien'. They do not think as we do..nor have the same morals and values. I know that because if I were visiting a foreign country..I would make sure I knew their laws and respect those. Apparently..we don't think alike at all. I think if we're patient..we'll understand why they've come here and who they are. Like a dog with very big teeth..a certain amount of respect toward them, is a good idea as far as I'm concerned
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 14:03:21 GMT -6
Lois: I never have considered them to be bad or good. I think whatever they are..they are wrapped up in their own pursuit and that we shouldn't try to put our own wishes and desires into the equation. We have to try to observe them as impartially as we can while understanding that they will not be thinking or processing ideas as we would. "Alien" means unusual..foreign..not familiar and that they are. It's disturbing to me when people get their hopes up that these beings are angelic or the benefactors of humankind and it disturbs me when people think they're here invading or seeing us as snacks. Actually...they have not shown a thing in either direction. They remain elusive and avoid any mutual contact and that needs to tell us something. I'll admit that I am not particularly fond of the beings my friend and I encountered. What does it say for their race that they 'kidnap' and subject kids to such a terrifying experience? That they did no lasting damage doesn't excuse an act that goes against our laws. I don't excuse that but I go by my own research into the word 'alien'. They do not think as we do..nor have the same morals and values. I know that because if I were visiting a foreign country..I would make sure I knew their laws and respect those. Apparently..we don't think alike at all. I think if we're patient..we'll understand why they've come here and who they are. Like a dog with very big teeth..a certain amount of respect toward them, is a good idea as far as I'm concerned ~nods~
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Post by lois on Apr 27, 2011 23:27:58 GMT -6
Steve.. Once I asked you on the Mufon Forum, if you had ever heard of any case where a prisoner had left his cell at night from an abduction.. You said no.. But..
You told me about a man in the hospital who told everyone he would not be in his room tonight the aliens were coming to get him. Sure enough he was missing .. no nurses or staff could find him anywhere. I believe he was so sick he could not walked himself out of the room. I may be wrong on the walking part. If you have that abduction could you paste it here. I think everyone would be amazed by it..
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Post by Steve on Apr 29, 2011 19:48:24 GMT -6
Steve.. Once I asked you on the Mufon Forum, if you had ever heard of any case where a prisoner had left his cell at night from an abduction.. You said no.. But.. You told me about a man in the hospital who told everyone he would not be in his room tonight the aliens were coming to get him. Sure enough he was missing .. no nurses or staff could find him anywhere. I believe he was so sick he could not walked himself out of the room. I may be wrong on the walking part. If you have that abduction could you paste it here. I think everyone would be amazed by it.. Lois Hi Lois, I do not recall ever mentioning anyone in prison being abducted by aliens. That would be profound. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________Lois you maybe are thinking of the fascinating James S. Mortellaro abduction case investigated by Budd Hopkins I shared back during the old Mufon forum days.... Carol Rainey and others have tried to confuse the facts of the case unsuccessfully - but as I recall the lecture and video on it I viewed - here is my best probably imperfect recollection relating it here - James S. Mortellaro has two Ph.D's - an abductee with many episodes being taken. Uses his real name related to his case publicly - has been regressed working with Budd many times piecing his life's experiences. Lives in upper state New York. One late afternoon Mr. Mortellaro mentioned to his wife making dinner he had to go visit a sick friend in the hospital. Mortellaro feeling this sudden unexpected urge to do so. He walks into the garage, starts his car, backs out into the end of his driveway - then senses he has forgotten something. He now feels ill, and notices there is a patch of blood on his pants on his groin area. He drives back into the garage - gets out of his car and steps back into his home - where his wife is frantic and relieved. "Where have you been? You have been gone for 5 hours! " What seemed to James like just a minute - he has been missing five hours. As his wife speaks to him - very ill - Mr. Mortellaro collapses on the kitchen floor. His wife calls 911 and James is rushed to the hospital. James relates his physicians report publicly here: James Mortellaro presented at (----) Hospital in March of 2001 by ambulance to the Emergency Room. Mr. Mortellaro was unconscious, later determined to be in mild shock.
Upon examination by the ER physician, patient was found to have bled (profoundly) from the bladder through the penis. His clothing was soaked with blood about the groin and upper thigh areas. There was sensitivity in the lower left quadrant even though the patient was unconscious. Patient was also found to have been bleeding from the nose and tear ducts. There were obvious signs of surgery in the nose above the septum, near the entrance to the sinuses.
Patient regained consciousness within ten minutes after presentation. His vitals were stable, BP 155/100, which was reduced after regaining consciousness to 135/85 within ten minutes. There was no indication of trauma to any portion of the body except for noted bleeding.
Patient was able to identify himself, name, the date, the name of the current president, etc., but was about five hours off on the time. He thought the time was about 6 PM. It was close to midnight.
Present were his wife, Trooper (---) from Troop (--) in (----), N.Y., Dr. (--------), his personal physician, various nursing personnel, the ER physician, Dr. (-----) and others.
When conscious, patient indicated feeling weak, disoriented and with pain in the lower abdomen favoring patient's lower left quad. After patient was made stable, CAT scans of the head, dorsal and lumbar regions, along with CAT and MRI of the abdomen and kidneys. All non intrusive pictures were negative, with the exception of the bladder which showed lesions in three areas favoring the left side.
A cystostoscopy of the bladder was performed indicating contusions of the lower left bladder area. A total of four such areas were found, which was apparently the reason for bleeding. The wounds were odd in that there appeared to be no apparent reason for their presence. Again, there was no indication of causative external trauma.
The blood found on the patient's clothing proved recent (within two hours) profuse bleeding.
Yet those areas were no longer bleeding (at the time) and should have been. This was a very curious and impossible scenario.
The CAT scans and MRI's confirmed recent (healed) nasal surgery which the patient insisted he never had. As his personal physician, having only recently given the patient a complete annual physical only days before, I can testify to the fact that no such surgery had been done at that Time.
A total of two cystoscopy's were performed within 48 hours, showing marked and nearly miraculous healing of the contusions in the bladder. Another cystoscopy performed within ten days of this 'incident', indicated nearly complete healing. Very strange, indeed. Very strange.
Patient was discharged from hospital during (deleted), feeling fine, with no apparent illness present.
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We have never before seen such a bizarre case. I have been in practice for more than 40 years. The ER physician commented, "I haven't a clue!" No one has a clue. The State Police Trooper, who is known by and knows Patient (who is a reserve police officer) and Troop (-----) supervisors did a computer search as well as check with three troop barracks in three counties to determine if there had been an attempted car jacking or accident. There were none.
This case is a first in our experience, both from the standpoint of the rapid healing (which should be impossible) as well as the lack of any indication of trauma which may have caused such bizarre injury.
Dr. ____ __________, MD
3/30/01 [/color] www.ufocasebook.com/abductioncasestudy.htmlBudd Hopkins had already been working with Mr. Mortellaro when this (then) new experience occured. Budd Hopkins has related this case in his speaking engagements about his research. The regression conducted by Budd Hopkins several days after Mortellaro's release from hospital revealed what actually happened best Mr. Mortellaro understands and believes. The locations related by Mr. Mortellaro were immediately retraced back to where it all occurred - even finding circumstantial evidence. The regression revealed Mr. Mortellaro drove off in his automobile after he left his garage - guided somehow or compelled to follow a route through a well to do affluent area of upper state New York not far from his home - out along a country road past a line of mailboxes - (recalled during the regression - even road and street names recalled in detail) - then down a lonely country road and stopped adjacent to a large field - there he drove his car out into the field and stopped his car. Mortellaro gets out of his car and waits. A large light in the sky appears - approaches and becomes a large silver disk shaped UFO. He was transfixed on the craft. He had a licensed pistol he carries always with him (since he was aware these abductions began). Several entities appeared in the field and approached him. He raises his gun at them - but does not now have the heart or will to shoot them protecting himself. Apparently under their control - he lowers his weapon. He is taken aboard the craft and medical procedures are conducted on him. He is aware of what is happening to him. The aliens (grays) are trying unsuccessfully to remove sperm from him. (Mr.. Mortellaro has since gotten a vasectomy to prevent these beings taking more sperm from him as in the past - trying in a way to fight back and gain some semblance of control in his life once more). The alien leader (a taller looking praying mantis type alien) is angry about this. The grays are not so bad to look at - but Mr. Mortellaro relates the leader is horrible to look at - terrifying. The leader tells the grays repeatedly to "hurt him!" "hurt Him!". (first instance I have known of an alien acting this way - Steve) As punishment - instead of the usual way of extracting sperm - they use a hereto before unheard of procedure. Using a slim snake like long probe - the entities enter this device to extract his sperm through his urethra - up into his bladder - then the probe somehow turns and enters essentually through the back way (since his seminal tubes were cut in the vasectomy) into his seminal gland near his prostrate. Very painful. The aliens also incert or replace a nasal implant. Mr. Mortellaro is later returned to his car - and next remembers waking in his driveway at home. Here the conscious memory picks up. Later - with a camera person - the regression and the trip back to the field is retraced by Hopkins and Mortelaro. They find the field. A missing part of Mortellaro's car is found! The plastic fairing air vent next to his windshield wipers. It is picked up by Mortellaro on camera. A very dramatic strange scene on the video. In the field are found Mortellaro's car tracks - tire tracks matching his car. Get this - Mortellaro's car tracks - there are only one set entering this field - no tracks driving out of the field....... You see Mortellaro quietly quite distressed on camera - silently pacing back and forth - as the horrifying realization sinks in - he can no longer in his own mind deny or discount these events as a dream or delusion on his part. Hopkins deliberately did not share at first with Mr. Mortellaro's physicians about his experiences so they independently would have to form scientifically their own conclusions. They could not medically find an answer for Mr. Mortellaro's condition or his rapid almost miraculous healing of the scaring they documented medically. Such bleeding from the bladder usually is indicative of only two conditions. A severe Urinary trac infection - or cancer. Mr. Mortellaro had no trace of either medical condition. There you go Lois! Steve www.ufocasebook.com/abductioncasestudy.htmlwww.rense.com/general46/dont.htm
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2011 16:20:56 GMT -6
That's one that I find particularly fascinating! Good responses on his part..medical backing and the type of 'injuries'. Thank you for printing that one
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Post by lois on Apr 30, 2011 17:46:12 GMT -6
Steve thanks for posting this .. I have don't recall you posting it before.. I just got a new one in my head recorded. lol.. But the case I was referring to was a sick man in the hospital who vanished for one evening. He told people he would not be there in the evening as the aliens were picking him up.
What is so strange is he could not get out of bed, yet he was gone all evening and the hospital staff could not find him.. I never remember names. I'm sure it was you. that posted it. As you are the only one I would of ask about any prisoner abduction.. I'm positive it was your answer to it. this patience abduction. I believe this happen in California..
thanks for the story above ..
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Post by Steve on May 1, 2011 0:11:34 GMT -6
Thanks Lois. Give me more clues if you can. I do know of one case I am still working on. It involved a man who conducted UFO crash recoveries with the U.S. Army and USAF from 1945 to 1964. He was not abducted from his hospital bed, but his death may have been staged by agents posing as staff of a well known Naval hospital (unnamed here) to make his family - wife and daughter believe he had died. This chilling story this family related to me meaning their husband / father was - 're-inducted'. A new identity, a new life? A dark witness protection program providing an 'out' for those who perhaps 'know too much'? Ever see the film 'Seconds'? (1966). I did, and wish never to see this film ever again. Probably Director John Frankenheimer's finest work. If true, the cover up of operatives involved in UFO crash recoveries and alien contact goes so much deeper into nightmarish places about government secrets than we can scarcely imagine. What terrible secret can be so dreaded here to go to such conceivable lengths to conceal it? This family related that near his end, he anticipated something happening, and wished to never be left alone in a hospital. The family had all had contact with entities secretly over their lifetimes. Near his end, the father husband related it was not the small beings encountered in the deserts around the United States and South America that was a concern - though their purpose still was unknown. It was later a fear of his own govt. 'people' he was now most afraid of. A government he dedicated his whole life as an officer in the service of his country he loved. He may have 'turned' when in later crash recoveries - he related later human children were now being found dead among the UFO crash 'occupants' (late 1950's). At the brief military funeral - a number of Generals and Admirals attended. At the burial site, the family was told by a curious grounds attendant their father husband was not in that grave. Weeks later, his personal military papers 'disappeared'. They suspect by the 'deceased'. Several times later after the funeral a very familiar man wearing a fedora hat, across the street, or at a hardware store was seen by them slipping away out the back. (probably missing his family?). Real? I suppose I should be scared about some of the things some UFO witnesses relate to me, but maybe I am just too naive or stupid to be worried. Will someone throw me a 'reality rope'? Steve 'Re-inducted'? From one of the most disturbing scenes I've ever seen is this fish-eye close-up of Rock Hudson, tied to a hospital gurney, realizing that he's not going to get a third chance at the end of John Frankenheimer's "Seconds" (1966).
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 9:59:14 GMT -6
I think you have a great reality 'grip' on things though how you keep it so is beyond me. My head would be spinning like a scene out of the exorcist and I'd need one to be an investigator. I think you do a wonderful job Steve. ~gives your back a pat~ Besides..as you once mentioned..I'm sure your wife will keep you on an even keel
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Post by auntym on May 13, 2011 21:45:05 GMT -6
www.ufodigest.com/article/alien-abductees Alien AbducteesSubmitted by Bobby Morrison on Fri, 05/13/2011 When talking about alien abductees it seems a common practice is to lump all alien abductees into one category. An easy thing to do and I have done this myself so I know a bit about the subject. Another common mistake is thinking that all abductees must be experiencing the same things and if someone comes along and says something different or sees things in a different way than someone must be lying, someone is trying to deceive, either intentionally or unintentionally. I clearly recall having read two books written by abductees, and with each book I only read about half the book and I lost interest because these experiences did not match mine, therefore I assumed what I was reading could not be true. This book does not make sense to me; it can’t be true, this person lying. Why did I make that assumption? An honest question deserves an honest answer; I was lumping all alien abductees into one category. This cannot be done. I clearly recall on one occasion a woman emailed me and told me I was a fake, a liar. She was the real alien abductee and I was fake because what I reported made no sense to her therefore I must be lying. Having read what she reported made no sense to me and I assumed she was making her abductions up. Which one of us was wrong? Simple question deserves a simple answer; we were both wrong. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by Steve on May 13, 2011 22:22:06 GMT -6
www.ufodigest.com/article/alien-abductees Alien AbducteesSubmitted by Bobby Morrison on Fri, 05/13/2011 When talking about alien abductees it seems a common practice is to lump all alien abductees into one category. An easy thing to do and I have done this myself so I know a bit about the subject. Another common mistake is thinking that all abductees must be experiencing the same things and if someone comes along and says something different or sees things in a different way than someone must be lying, someone is trying to deceive, either intentionally or unintentionally. I clearly recall having read two books written by abductees, and with each book I only read about half the book and I lost interest because these experiences did not match mine, therefore I assumed what I was reading could not be true. This book does not make sense to me; it can’t be true, this person lying. Why did I make that assumption? An honest question deserves an honest answer; I was lumping all alien abductees into one category. This cannot be done. I clearly recall on one occasion a woman emailed me and told me I was a fake, a liar. She was the real alien abductee and I was fake because what I reported made no sense to her therefore I must be lying. Having read what she reported made no sense to me and I assumed she was making her abductions up. Which one of us was wrong? Simple question deserves a simple answer; we were both wrong. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK I appreciate Mr. Morrison's attitude. I have fortunately/unfortunately never have had with some certainty any 'alien abduction' or 'alien contact'. My purpose I feel is simply to document. Any new wrinkle found by someones account to me does not exclude, but expands our knowledge base. "Two things inspire me to awe: the starry heavens above and the moral universe within." — Immanuel Kant (Critique of Pure Reason) Steve
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 22:30:34 GMT -6
thanks for posting auntym !!!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2011 3:02:12 GMT -6
Yea auntym!! Thanks for posting!
I also have trouble believing the stories of other people who report different things than I have experienced, but I have to remember to be open minded when reading/hearing the stories of others.
~hugs~
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Post by skywalker on May 14, 2011 10:16:33 GMT -6
I am both a skeptic and a believer. I question everything but I am open minded to any possibility. I think that is a healthy attitude for people to have.
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Post by auntym on May 14, 2011 19:10:40 GMT -6
lorelei and touched.... you are welcome....
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 10:18:32 GMT -6
Ordinarily I would never wish an abduction experience on someone..but Steve..you are my exception..as long as the experience didn't prove to be the exception and they decide they like you well enough to keep you. I think the experience would aid you in what you do. Just the knowing that they are here..not only belief they are.. can have great mind expanding effect. I agree Sky. I am absolutely a skeptic and yet I have a very broad mind now for possibilities. I do believe all things are possible..and since they are..there is no excuse for those who make up things. I detest hoaxters
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