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Post by auntym on Nov 12, 2011 12:48:14 GMT -6
www.nicap.org/ancient/coin.htm Centuries' Old UFO Coin Remains Mystery[/color] Fri Jan 28, 2005 An unidentified flying object on a 17th century French coin continues to mystify rare coin experts. Colorado Springs, CO (PRWEB) January 28, 2005 -- After decades of seeking possible answers about a mysterious UFO-like design on a 17th century French copper coin, a prominent numismatic expert says it remains just that: an unidentified flying object. After a half-century of research, the design has defied positive identification by the numismatic community. "It was made in the 1680s in France and the design on one side certainly looks like it could be a flying saucer in the clouds over the countryside," said Kenneth E. Bressett of Colorado Springs, Colorado, a former President of the 32,000-member American Numismatic Association and owner of the curious coin. "Is it supposed to be a UFO of some sort, or a symbolic representation of the Biblical Ezekiel's wheel? After 50 years of searching, I've heard of only one other example of it, and nothing to explain the unusual design." Bressett said the mysterious piece is not really a coin, but a "jeton," a coin-like educational tool that was commonly used to help people count money, or sometimes used as a money substitute for playing games. It is about the size of a U.S. quarter-dollar and similar to thousands of other jetons with different religious and educational designs that were produced and used in Europe during the 16th and 17th centuries. "The design on this particular piece could be interpreted as showing either a UFO or Ezekiel's wheel, but little else. Some people think the Old Testament reference to Ezekiel's wheel may actually be a description of a long-ago UFO," he explained. "The legend written in Latin around the rim is also mystifying. 'OPPORTUNUS ADEST' translates as 'It is here at an opportune time.' Is the object in the sky symbolic of needed rainfall, or a Biblical reference or visitors from beyond? We probably will never know for certain," said Bressett. "It is part of the lure of numismatics that makes coin collecting so intriguing." TO SEE MORE: www.nicap.org/ancient/coin.htm
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Post by skywalker on Nov 12, 2011 18:29:33 GMT -6
That is interesting. It is obvious that the things down at the bottom are meant to be plants, trees and hills, and the curly stuff at the top is obviously a bunch of clouds...if that isn't a flying saucer what else could it be? I wonder what the pointy thing sticking down from the bottom is supposed to be? A beam of light perhaps? I'm going to check to see if I can find any UFO sightings in France in the 1680s.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 10:46:44 GMT -6
Woooah... looks like the craft I saw in my nightmares... with the little lights in the indented area around it...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 12:14:06 GMT -6
If I hadn't seen the other side of the coin, I would suggest the side in question is a depiction of an underwater scene? Especially the ground scenery. The object either a sea shell or a jellyfish? Nah.....
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Post by lois on Nov 16, 2011 0:33:39 GMT -6
[/color] Fri Jan 28, 2005 An unidentified flying object on a 17th century French coin continues to mystify rare coin experts. Colorado Springs, CO (PRWEB) January 28, 2005 -- After decades of seeking possible answers about a mysterious UFO-like design on a 17th century French copper coin, a prominent numismatic expert says it remains just that: an unidentified flying object. After a half-century of research, the design has defied positive identification by the numismatic community. "It was made in the 1680s in France and the design on one side certainly looks like it could be a flying saucer in the clouds over the countryside," said Kenneth E. Bressett of Colorado Springs, Colorado, a former President of the 32,000-member American Numismatic Association and owner of the curious coin. "Is it supposed to be a UFO of some sort, or a symbolic representation of the Biblical Ezekiel's wheel? After 50 years of searching, I've heard of only one other example of it, and nothing to explain the unusual design." Bressett said the mysterious piece is not really a coin, but a "jeton," a coin-like educational tool that was commonly used to help people count money, or sometimes used as a money substitute for playing games. It is about the size of a U.S. quarter-dollar and similar to thousands of other jetons with different religious and educational designs that were produced and used in Europe during the 16th and 17th centuries. "The design on this particular piece could be interpreted as showing either a UFO or Ezekiel's wheel, but little else. Some people think the Old Testament reference to Ezekiel's wheel may actually be a description of a long-ago UFO," he explained. "The legend written in Latin around the rim is also mystifying. 'OPPORTUNUS ADEST' translates as 'It is here at an opportune time.' Is the object in the sky symbolic of needed rainfall, or a Biblical reference or visitors from beyond? We probably will never know for certain," said Bressett. "It is part of the lure of numismatics that makes coin collecting so intriguing." TO SEE MORE: www.nicap.org/ancient/coin.htm[/quote] Wow! Auntym.. I have seen this before but did not look close enough I guess. there is my panels and certainly the porthole .. also something coming from the porthole which I seen .. A flywheel again.. thanks for posting , I have one more picture in my mind now.. ;D
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Post by auntym on Nov 16, 2011 18:38:17 GMT -6
Wow! Auntym.. I have seen this before but did not look close enough I guess. there is my panels and certainly the porthole .. also something coming from the porthole which I seen .. A flywheel again.. thanks for posting , I have one more picture in my mind now.. ;D i know its strange.... it looks familiar to me too....
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Post by paulette on Nov 16, 2011 21:32:07 GMT -6
Amazing. What IS on the other side of the coin??
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Post by skywalker on Nov 16, 2011 23:20:31 GMT -6
It shows a flowery plant with a cloud up above and rain falling down on it. If you click on the link there are pictures of both sides of it. www.nicap.org/ancient/coin.htmThe motto says something about "it came at an opportune time" and I would assume they are talking about the rain but that doesn't give any clues as to what the UFO thing is supposed to be.
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Post by auntym on Nov 16, 2011 23:32:08 GMT -6
Amazing. What IS on the other side of the coin?? THE OTHER SIDE OF THE UFO COIN...
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Post by paulette on Nov 17, 2011 9:37:12 GMT -6
More Googling. 1680's was a very pivotal time in France. I ended up with a few previews of a book on Amazon. Of course I wasn't able to copy it and have already forgotten the salient points but what I remember is: 1680 is when France took over Alsace and actively became nationalized. A then in power person (this the part I forget) made a speech about how France as a nation was going to be shaped by indocrination/education of the people. There would be obligatory government events at all levels of government and the people would be standardized as Frenchmen. I can't help but think that because this was a radical departure from the history before that there was some overseeing intelligence to it. Lawrence Gardener believed that the "Grail" - the bloodline of Jesus but also of David came down through the families from Sumner and ultimately from the Visitor dna which was intentionally and unintentionally (the gods found the maidens comely) mingled into human bloodlines. This arrived in France (as did supposedly the pregnant Mary) and was documented in the art and also the bookmarks of the time. OMG - I know where I've seen the mark on the door of Steve's posting - it was on a watermark on paper - a secret code that was used in France to indicate that the person's publishing the book in hand were in the know. Gardener published it in one of his books. Maybe the aliens are still tracking that bloodline and the abductee saw the mark somewhere or it was explained to him and he forgot/was made to forget.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2011 13:06:06 GMT -6
That's really interesting Paulette... REALLY interesting...
When I was doing automatic writing, the entity I was channeling told me I was "spawn of Cain"... another allusion to biblical blood lines... very interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2011 22:07:03 GMT -6
. "Lawrence Gardener believed that the "Grail" - the bloodline of Jesus but also of David came down through the families from Sumner and ultimately from the Visitor dna which was intentionally and unintentionally (the gods found the maidens comely) mingled into human bloodlines. This arrived in France (as did supposedly the pregnant Mary) "
Sorry, I just have to add something to this story, from what I've been told ;D . People (not you) tend to forget that Jewish Heritage is tracked through the mother. Mary had other children besides Jesus....
I'm imagining that some of that family left Jerusalem and those parts not long after the Crucifixion.
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Post by paulette on Nov 18, 2011 10:00:04 GMT -6
From what I've read I agree and so does Gardener. Females bearing the lineage were intentionally brought together with similar males so that some families were particularly enriched. His theory about Mary is, she was helped to leave ASAP so that she and her unborn child would not be killed to stop a predictable Roman blacklash about Jesus's return/resurrection/rebirth.
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Post by lois on Nov 18, 2011 22:18:14 GMT -6
Who and where was this coin found. Or has it always been known?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2011 8:07:34 GMT -6
"His theory about Mary is, she was helped to leave ASAP so that she and her unborn child would not be killed..." Of course I don't know if Jesus was married and was expecting a child. I can understand why this could have been another one of those details left out of the bible. what I was talking about was a little more obvious. Jesus' mother. Jesus' nieces and nephews. They would also carry the blood-line (depending on who their mother was).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2011 8:14:53 GMT -6
Night before last I (Thursday night) dreamed about this coin. Probably doesn't mean anything other than the coin and this thread were on my mind . I dreamed that the side of the coin with the rain and the plant, those "disc's" falling in the rain are seeds. Those "seeds" mingled with the normal seeds left by the plant, and caused the next plant to be subtly different. This happened over several times, and then the plant was really different.
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Post by paulette on Nov 19, 2011 11:27:45 GMT -6
Interesting - I had initially thought that the marks within the rain were random gouges. Now I note that some of the flowers have the disc shaped forms within the stamen of the flower - that it is pollinating the flower. Good dream research jcurio!
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Post by skywalker on Nov 20, 2011 21:19:30 GMT -6
Who and where was this coin found. Or has it always been known? I'm not sure, Shami. The guy who owns it is a serious coin collector and he said he has heard of only one other coin with a similar design. They have probably been around for years being passed from one collector to another.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 2:34:47 GMT -6
It's an amazing coin...nice going on your posting there Paulette..that little story is very interesting .. I read long ago of the angels finding human women comely and in that fashion boosting the dna of mankind..and I've always been interested in Jesus's lineage..but with so much of that history possibly missing.. how could we ever really know..
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