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Post by auntym on May 2, 2012 12:48:23 GMT -6
www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/messages-from-the-light-near-death-experiences-communication-from-the-other-side Messages from The Light: Near-Death Experiences & Communication from the Other Side[/color] April 21, 2012 By davidjones By CHRISTOPHOR COPPES— The closest contact with our afterlife is when we have a near-death experience (NDE). More and more people report such an experience. The reason being, that medical science gets better every day. We are more capable to bring back to life a growing number of people who go through a critical medical situation. But also without a critical medical situation people can have a NDE. What messages do near-death experiencers (NDErs) get out of this? And what messages can non-experiencers get out of it? A lot I can assure you, and these messages are extremely valuable. When we learn to understand them, they can lead to a much better and more rewarding life. NDEs are extraordinary experiences. They overwhelm those who have had them and their lives completely change. They are absolutely convinced these experiences are real. Many even assert they are more real than everyday life. This is because their awareness grows tremendously. They seem to become awareness themselves. They can sense everything there is to sense. All knowledge is freely available to them and they just need to tap into it. Every question is answered immediately. On top of all this there appear to be no physical limitations, and neither does time form a limitation. It doesn’t exist, or rather, it exists all at the same time. The most overwhelming aspect of their experience is that NDErs feel they are immersed in the most wonderful feeling of peace, acceptance and unconditional love. Especially the unconditional nature of the love they feel is something that leaves a lasting impression on the NDEr, because just think of what it means. Unconditional love means that there are no conditions to be met in order to receive this love. We don’t have to do anything specific in order to get it. In addition, the love that is felt is indescribable due to its completeness and all-embracing aspect. An NDEr described it as follows: “When I would add all the love I had received throughout my life together, it would still be a fraction of what I felt there.” Many NDErs feel that what they have experienced is their “Home.” They are sure that it is where they originate from and they know they belong there. They are also convinced this home is where we will eventually go back to when we die. This apparently means that the moment we are born we acquire the right to return to this wonderful place. It is our birthright. As a consequence, their fear of death completely disappears. All of this seems too good to be true. Actually, there is a slight problem, because NDErs start to long to return back to that place again. This is why they often become seriously homesick after their NDE. On average it takes about seven years for an NDEr to settle with the idea they are here and not there, and there is a purpose to it. So having the experience has its little drawbacks. Except for the good news that there is a wonderful place where we will all go to, there is also a bit of “other” news. It needs to be acknowledged that a non-negligible number of people haven’t experienced a completely blissful NDE, and some people have even experienced terrifying NDEs. At this moment it still isn’t clear what causes this kind of NDE. Apart from the problem we have in defining ‘bad’ and ‘good’, there is no way we can assert that terrifying NDEs are there only for ‘bad’ people, and positive ones only for ‘good’ people. Are these experiences not just the result of a lack of oxygen, or of some chemical reactions and neurological processes in the brains of a dying patient? Good scientific so-called prospective research indicates this is not the case. In this kind of research a specific procedure was followed to create an objective pool of people who had experienced a cardiac arrest. A number of people from that pool turned out to have had an NDE. These people could then be compared with the people of the same pool that didn’t have one. Differences between both groups would be interesting, because they could give an indication of what causes NDEs. This kind of research was conducted in different countries throughout the world, and in none of these did the researchers find any significant differences between the two groups. For instance, no differences were found with respect to physiological changes in the brain, because people from both groups had a loss of oxygen and had brain cells dying. This means these factors cannot be the cause for NDEs, something that has often been asserted. In some research, pharmacological factors (drug treatments during resuscitation) and psychological reactions to approaching death were investigated, but neither could these factors explain NDEs. CONTINUE READING: www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/messages-from-the-light-near-death-experiences-communication-from-the-other-side
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Post by charles on May 2, 2012 16:49:01 GMT -6
Hi all! Auntym - thank you for posting this ! I found it interesting, though not surprising, that there is little physiologically between those who experience an NDE and those who don't. It would seem, to my understanding anyway, that if you are receptive to the notion (whether you believe in them or not) of NDE then you stand more of a chance of reporting having had one! I personally feel (my heart says) I have most likely had one, but the practical bit of me (my brain)says maybe - but nah, probably not ! My reasoning is that I have undergone several operations and been in states of deep sedation (both as under general anaesthetic and just being heavily drugged) and yes, I've seen a light at the end of a tunnel with people all around - it's called the recovery room where you're brought back from your GA! As it is essentially an area of extremely high dependence, it is highly staffed, usually with one nurse & one health care assistant per patient and other 'floating' staff. Those can be said to be the people seen at the light (I even had a smoke with one nurse the day after one operation & she made me blush - but that's another story ;D ;D !). My heart does actually at one point mostly override my brain - not too hard to mess with my one brain-cell I know ;D ;D (at least I got it in before anybody else !) !! That was the evening of Monday December 11th 2006. That night I was admitted to hospital with meningitis - I would have most happily had my head explode that night the pressure was so high in it!!! That night would actually be the one defining point in my life that changed my life for ever in just about every way - but what I'm on about is in the spiritual/emotional way. That night I felt I was quite literally about to die - end of/lights out/fat lady singing/angels lifting me, the whole shabang! But I didn't - and at that point I was told NO! STOP! BACK! Who told me that I don't know, but here I am today (and at 23:47 I think it's bedtime ;D ;D!!) Okay, I've stopped rambling for now ;D ;D !! TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2012 2:31:06 GMT -6
Wow Charles- that's pretty cool! I personally do think there is a "life" after death if you want to call it that- and I do for lack of a better word... ;D The practical side of me wonders though if there really is one or not though...I mean after all I considered myself an atheist for those awkward high school years, then I decided I was an agnostic(maybe there is a God- maybe not...) until fairly recently. I find myself going back and forth between agnostic and a believer in God... but I do want to believe. My father has died three times during medical procedures already. He has never had a NDE (at least he has not told any of us about it if he has...). I watched a program on Fox News that was covering a feel-good story about a soldier who did something heroic (I don't even remember what he did... heh... bad bad lorelei...) and he almost died. The interviewer asked him if he saw God or if he had any sort of visions while in that state. The young soldier laughed, looked down at his feet and said, "No. I was actually rather disappointed... it really makes me wonder about what really happens after we die... and it seems to be nothing." So- I'm really not sure what to believe about any of this- I mean Jo said she had an NDE once I think, right Jo? I don't know- I just know that I had a very interesting dream about two years after my beloved grandmother passed away when I was 19. I dreamed she called me on the telephone- like she always did. We talked on the phone almost every day from when I was old enough to operate the telephone up until the time she died... I answered the phone and she said, "Lorelei! I'm so glad I finally got through to you! I've been trying to get ahold of you for a long long time!!" She said something was preventing her from "calling" me... She sounded happy and was telling me about all these people (probably family members...) and how she was talking to them and I had no idea who any of those people were... but she sounded very happy on the phone. She didn't really tell me anything very significant, just her usual story-telling... harmless gossip and that type of thing... Then, all of a sudden this really scary gravely voice came on the line and said something along the lines of, "Ok. That's enough. No more." and the line went dead... It was a very scary sounding voice and I wondered if it was Death himself... ~shivers~ The dream had such a profound impact on me I woke up and cried for hours... The logical part of my brain tells me, it was just a dream... but... what if she really was "calling" me from the other side? I dunno...
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2012 11:18:25 GMT -6
Yep..Jo had an NDE and Jo has had 'trips' to that side after the fact. No doubts..it's just taking a step into the next reality. We do become attached to this life and fear of ceasing to exist anchors us here. As we age..our bodies fail and the other side starts to look better and better. Then the picture changes and we think to ourselves..well if there IS an after life cool but if not..well no more pain. I've known a lot of people like that. Instead..think of all of the books written..all of the people talking about NDE's the information available today at our finger tips..the life (and death) stories of thousands of people. Are they all wrong? Are any of them wrong? We are on an educational voyage..the soul is learning and growing..and this place..is only one baby step up the ladder. Haven't you ever met someone and it dawns on you how familiar that person is..how you click and think the same and feel the same? Is there any other answer other than you knew that person once before (or the soul of that person). There are NO coincidences..nothing happens by chance. The comfort zone we are allowed is faith. Jo hops down from the band wagon and yields the stage. (I'm feeling capricious today..what can I say?)
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2012 15:34:16 GMT -6
~hugz Jo~
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Post by charles on May 4, 2012 16:48:39 GMT -6
Hi all! Good evening & at 23:00 I hope you've all enjoyed Star Wars day (May the 4th be with you ;D ;D !!) - I've just finished watching Episode 4 with my boys - it was the big one's idea to treat me to watching the film with popcorn ;D ;D !! Lorelei - I know how difficult it can be at times to have faith in an omnipotent & creative deity when all that you can see which could be considered evidence of such deity is so negative and hurtful in whichever way. It sure can make one question the whole faith in a deity! What I have come to the conclusion of in my tiny mind is that yes, there is some kind of omnipotent creative force - whether that is the Jewish/Christian/Islamic/Rastafarian concept of God or the Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist concept of different Gods for different things - whatever there is, if you live your life to care for others or carry out good deeds you are justly rewarded in whatever way after you leave this life cycle with a kind of (and I don't mean Purgatory here!) afterlife that does a balancing of your positive deeds & negative deeds. I suppose what I'm saying is you are what you do and that is how you are judged or viewed for your time after this life. I wonder about that soldier you mentioned not seeing the light etc. Was he not shown it because it was nowhere near his time and whatever else I was going to follow on about him with has merrily drifted out of my mind !! About your grandmother - you had a proper granny there ! She sounds a lot like mine was - me and friends turned up & were fed enough food to feed an army, always ready to listen or regale us with stories either about her young days - or even more blackmailingly useful was the dirt dished on my mum ;D ;D ;D !! The one thing I was so glad of was that she got to hold my big lad Alex before she passed away . Jo - (((((BIGGGG HUGGGGS TO YOU))))))) ! Yep, what you've put just about neatly sums it all up! I suppose it's why I try to be the best person I can be. Yes, I have faults - I know what they are & I try not to let them take over (IMO in my mind it's okay to think whatever, just so long as I don't do whatever it is - the hassle these days just ain't worth it ;D ;D ;D !). As for meeting people with an instant jolt of "where do I know you from?" or deja-vu, there are people I've met for whom that holds true. Again my logical bit of brain (that quarter of my brain cell !) says the chances are I've seen them around but this is the first time I've actually had interaction with them! The other quarter part (the remaining half controls breathing etc ;D ;D !!) says yeah, I've been here before & may well be back later on too ;D ;D !! Okay, my brain cell has now packed up for the night and the little monster is screaming around in an autistic frenzy of shouting, screeching, singing & dancing ;D ;D ;D !! TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by lois on May 4, 2012 23:14:30 GMT -6
My Grand Mother when she passed the FIRST time she told how she was in a boat going down stream very gently, just a drift on the water. She was laying in the boat .. no paddles. it was floating on its own toward a light. The light got brighter and brighter till she could hardly see anything else.
Then she heard her daughter calling her to come back. My Aunt was at her side in the hospital. They had pronounced her dead.. She had been covered with a sheet by the nurse. She keep telling my Grandmother she could not leave her . . The boat turned around and headed up stream again. She said her daughters voice became louder and louder . She opened her eyes to see my Aunt holding her.
Was the brain still functioning after her vital signs had all stopped or was a an experience of the here after. ??
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Post by lois on May 4, 2012 23:21:19 GMT -6
Why would so many see a light? I mean why would the brain waves all be the same after death to so many after they had passed away? One see light when the brain starts shutting down?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2012 0:45:50 GMT -6
I didn't see a light Lois..but I think maybe some people do because they expect to and maybe it's a way to help people focus on the direction they need to move toward. I felt absolute love all around me..every care was gone and it was like being bathed in everything I would ever need..and words that were with me the second I woke up: 'there is SO much more'. More than we could possibly dream possible..but it makes sense that people don't remember it. If we knew the outcome was this ultimate amazement..would we try to make it a good life here? Would we try as hard to improve our selves? It's my personal belief..that we live many lives..maybe on different worlds..in an effort to better our souls..to be closer to perfection. I think we choose the lessons we want to learn then we're sent new and innocent and unaware. As we move up the ladder I think we might begin to 'remember' bits and pieces of 'beyond'..and maybe when our spirit is at it's lowest and we're achy and hurting..we are given a tiny glimpse or comforting words to spur us on just a bit longer. It's always been a period of major struggle for me when I get that glimpse. I'm grateful for it and I hope it helps others who might read it.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2012 1:02:47 GMT -6
Charles- I love you... lolz ~hugz~ ;D Jo, I love you too! ~hugz~ I thoroughly enjoyed reading all the responses on this thread. My grandmother also had psychic abilities... I told her I had a dream about my other grandfather (mom's dad- he was already gone then..) and she told me, "If you dream about a deceased relative- that means a baby will be born into your family of the opposite gender." In the dream I was standing at the bottom of a stairwell with a landing between two flights of stairs. It was out in the open, a carpeted stairwell with a sturdy handrail. I climbed up the stairs and I saw my grandfather standing at the very top. He smiled at me warmly and pointed towards what he was looking at. I turned and looked down and saw a playpen filled with babies- they were cooing and giggling and playing with all kinds of little baby toys... then I woke up... A month later my sister told us she was expecting. A few months later they determined my sister was expecting a girl... A couple years after that I dreamed about my grandfather's girlfriend. My sister was soon aware that she was expecting a boy... Last month I dreamed about my grandmother again... A helicopter landed in our backyard and two handsome men got out and told me to pack my stuff because I was going up North to the Oil fields (prudhoe bay- where one of my girlfriends works...) I threw some clothes in a suitcase and we got in the helicopter and took off- soon we were in Prudhoe and my grandmother was standing there smiling at me... ... I wonder if my sister is preggers again...
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Post by charles on May 5, 2012 5:29:35 GMT -6
Hi all! Lois - thank you for sharing about your grandmother too ! Yes I believe there is something to the afterlife & light etc, but there is also the physiological angle to consider too. This is that when your heart stops pumping oxygen around your body and major electric usage slows down before it stops, with the brain (and it's associated mental faculties) being the last bit to stop. Yes, the body can be kept artificially alive after brain death - but I don't think that is relevant here. My point is that your mind, it's input facilities (sight & sound) are usually the last things to go. The most apt analogy to explain it I can think of is in Star Wars (Ep 4, A New Hope) when R2-D2 & C-3PO split up on Tattooine and R2 gets captured by the Jawas. They shoot him with whatever & you see an electric blue bolt of power whizz around him until he falls over - that's how it works with us - the initial shot is death and cessation of physical movements (i.e. heart stops, muscles stop working etc.), the blue whizzy thing is our electrical system still running around until it finally discharges (up to this point our memory & input areas are working) and we are physically completely dead (which is the point where R2 falls over!). To me, some of these NDE's could be attributed to our preconceived conception of life after death, but I feel that these are limited in number - in that more are truly spiritual experiences than not. Jo - you as ever succinctly put my thoughts out there !! In one respect, when you say "there is so much more" the words of a song and it's simplistic eloquence - "If you don't have a dream, how you gonna make your dreams come true??". Lorelei - or should it be Aunty Lorelei ;D ;D Actually I just thought, we could change your name to Auntyl on here ;D ;D !! It would not surprise me if there was something to what your grandmother said - I always try to bear in mind that the 'old wives tales' have a modicum of truth in them - just need to see how that applies to the modern world !! Right, enough from me for now (YAY!! I hear you all shout ;D ;D !) !! Hope to be back later!! TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2012 10:31:05 GMT -6
Scowling at Charles..we don't 'yay' when you go..we 'yay' when you arrive. ;D
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Post by skywalker on May 5, 2012 11:31:22 GMT -6
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Post by charles on May 5, 2012 11:37:35 GMT -6
Hi all! Jo - thank you !! I know that sometimes I can ramble on and that sometimes I've started on a train of thought, but somewhere along the line it gets totally forgotten (as in my reply to Lorelei about the soldier ;D !) and I don't like the thought of derailing a thread as that's not something I like to see !! But thank you anyway , I am now smiling ;D ;D !! One thing that crossed my mind yesterday and is similar to this thread is an Out of Body Experience (OBE - not to be confused with an OBE - Order of the British Empire ;D ;D !). Whilst driving to a local town yesterday, my mind began to wander into the realms of our spirit. I had an incredibly strange feeling that what I was viewing all around me was not being seen by myself sat in the driving seat, but myself about a foot to the right ! I had an intense feeling of disconnection with my body, yet I was focused enough on what I was doing & where I was going to not be a danger to myself or others. I did consider pulling over for about half a second & in the other half of the second it's like my mind just said "ruddy well pull yourself together man - it can't be, now just get on with driving!". What I did find interesting was how my physical actions felt to myself - almost a kind of naive innocence to them as in "WOW! Look what I can do ;D ;D !". Another feeling was the way my mind seemed to do a task analysis of my actions and, for instance, tell me that I needed to relax my calf muscles whilst tensioning my shin muscles to ease my foot back off the accelerator and that curling my big toe upward may also help in the finer control of the action. It was, all in all, quite an interesting thing and I certainly don't feel any the worse for it or read anything too deeply into it. My take on it is that my mind/spirit/soul or whatever was just saying really look and appreciate the wonders of the world around you - you're a part of it too !! Okay, might be back later !! TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by charles on May 5, 2012 12:01:23 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2012 22:08:22 GMT -6
I have wanted to..but never managed an OBE (blushing in shame) I always fall asleep *sigh*. I am one of those who can drop off in an instant..diesel engines and plane engines..and white noise..I can sleep sitting straight up in a doctors waiting room (I know because I have). Something comes over me and I'm gone. Never if I am productively occupied..but idle and I don't be mates. Maybe one day I'll shock myself and just hop out and go walk about
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2012 16:25:46 GMT -6
LOL Charles... ~hugzzzzzzzz~ I love the way you phrase things... I really do! I have wanted to..but never managed an OBE (blushing in shame) I always fall asleep *sigh*. I am one of those who can drop off in an instant..diesel engines and plane engines..and white noise..I can sleep sitting straight up in a doctors waiting room (I know because I have). Something comes over me and I'm gone. Never if I am productively occupied..but idle and I don't be mates. Maybe one day I'll shock myself and just hop out and go walk about I have the opposite problem- I can't sleep sitting up at all- I can't sleep in a moving vehicle. I have to be laying down in the quiet... if I'm on an airplane or in a waiting room I'm too afraid someone might try to grab my purse or something... Don't feel bad Jo. When we had a 7.9 magnitude earthquake when I was 18 years old my father slept right through it... ;D ;D ;D (we still tease him about that one... sound asleep... the house was rockin and rolling and my mother was clutching my sister and I to her bosom fearfully... dad was flat on his back, mouth open and snoring... ;D ;D ;D )
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2012 17:41:41 GMT -6
I don't think I'm that bad...I do wake up for things but the drop off point is 0-60 in 3 seconds LOL
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