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Post by lois on May 7, 2012 22:04:32 GMT -6
This is so amazing..
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Post by paulette on May 8, 2012 0:00:46 GMT -6
Interesting - too bad nobody proofed the written script - many errors: hear instead of here, there instead of their. And one scientific misfact - diorite is not the hardest rock or stone on the planet other than diamond. It is approx. the same hardness as granite - the hardest part of it being the quartz which is hardness 7. There are many minerals above quartz - corundrum (ruby or sapphire), garnet. For sure diamond does a clean fast job - not as fast as, say, a faser or equivilent laser tool. Another thing - there are no trees NOW. That long ago there may have been forests - if not on the top of the area of the ruins, at least close by. Mexican Indians, like Egyptians, burned its trees to produce lime (from limestone) to decorate their temples and pyramids. Being a tropical soil with heavy rain run-off, the jungle, once cut did not re-establish itself in many places.
I too have pondered the amazing fit of stones in various ruins in Mexico, and I was impressed and mystified by blocks that were just placed side by side (without mortar) and fit as well as they do. There are many indications that the reasons the Spaniards were able to fool the Indians and get close enough to kill and enslave them was that the inhabitants were waiting for the return of travelers that had been useful to them and who had promised to return. Unfortunately, the Spaniards were not who they awaited with gifts and open arms.
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Post by lois on May 8, 2012 19:26:00 GMT -6
Interesting - too bad nobody proofed the written script - many errors: hear instead of here, there instead of their. And one scientific misfact - diorite is not the hardest rock or stone on the planet other than diamond. It is approx. the same hardness as granite - the hardest part of it being the quartz which is hardness 7. There are many minerals above quartz - corundrum (ruby or sapphire), garnet. For sure diamond does a clean fast job - not as fast as, say, a faser or equivilent laser tool. Another thing - there are no trees NOW. That long ago there may have been forests - if not on the top of the area of the ruins, at least close by. Mexican Indians, like Egyptians, burned its trees to produce lime (from limestone) to decorate their temples and pyramids. Being a tropical soil with heavy rain run-off, the jungle, once cut did not re-establish itself in many places. I too have pondered the amazing fit of stones in various ruins in Mexico, and I was impressed and mystified by blocks that were just placed side by side (without mortar) and fit as well as they do. There are many indications that the reasons the Spaniards were able to fool the Indians and get close enough to kill and enslave them was that the inhabitants were waiting for the return of travelers that had been useful to them and who had promised to return. Unfortunately, the Spaniards were not who they awaited with gifts and open arms. Hummm! That is very interesting Paulette .
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Post by skywalker on May 8, 2012 21:49:46 GMT -6
They said the temple was built at over 4000 meters in elevation...which would put it over 13,000 feet. That would be up above the tree line unless the climate back then were much warmer than it is today. Trees don't grow up at that altitude because of the extreme cold and the heavy winter snowpack.
Ancient people didn't necessarily need trees to move big, heavy objects though. They had the backs of who knows how many thousands of people to lift and push the things. They also had a lot of technical know-how that we don't know about. Ancient people had the same capacity for knowledge and intelligence that modern people do so they could have figured it out. That guy in Florida built that coral castle by himself and nobody knows how he did it. Just because we don't know how it was done that doesn't mean they couldn't do it.
There were a few other factual mistakes in the video. The guy said that the temple was over 14,000 years old but archaeologists have dated it to be only about 1,500 years old. that date was taken from the sediment below the lowest layer of construction so it can't be older than that. He also said that the people had no form of writing but that is not actually true either. they did have writing--in the form of the "hieroglyphs" (that's not actually the correct term) that they carved into stone. They also had books very similar to the ones we have today but the invading Spaniards destroyed almost all of them. The European conquerors wanted to totally subjugate and enslave the native American people and destroying their culture, knowledge and religious beliefs was a part of that. The last I heard there were only three South American books that survived.
I also have marveled at the construction techniques the ancient people used when building the temples and structures down there. The rocks fit together perfectly, no matter what shape they are in. It is amazing that they were able to do it so well, especially using whatever primitive (as compared to modern technology) tools that they had.
I read a book once written by an archaeologist who lived and traveled extensively among the indigenous people of central and South America and he related a story told to him by one of the local people who claimed that there was a type of plant that grows down there that secrets some type of acid that could actually melt the rock. They claim that is how the stones were able to be fitted together so well. That theory has not yet been proven but it sounds interesting.
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Post by lois on May 9, 2012 18:04:00 GMT -6
Have you been to this place sky? Excuse me but I got that from you post, sorta like read between the lines.
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Post by skywalker on May 10, 2012 14:08:51 GMT -6
No, I've nver been to Puma Punku. I have spent some time in South america and Mexico and I've seen some of the ancient Mayan and Aztec ruins. Some of the things they did were very impressive. It's a shame they all got wiped out by the Spaniards.
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