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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 21:34:22 GMT -6
So, where do they come from? Many of us here have experienced, to some extent, UFO's or have had encounters with an unstandard variety of beings. Some people have encounters with 'shadow' people, ghosts, big foot, fairies and the list goes on. There is a theory that takes all of these manifestations into account and explains them. For the most part, the 'general' UFO community doesn't accept it, but it has a following all of it's own. Interdimensional Hypotheses is the brain child of astrophysicist Jacques Vallee, and proposes the existance of a non-human consciousness, which may or may not possess a physical body or bodies, that exists either on or around the earth and is able to manipulate space, time and consciousness in ways that we presently do not understand. 'In addition to Vallee, other researchers such as Salvador Freixedo, John Keel, and Aime Michel, believe the phenomenon represents an alien intelligence which can masquerade in various forms, including space visitors, religious apparitions, anomalous creatures, poltergeists, and psychic phenomena. These "aliens", appear to practice deception on a vast scale, and little, if anything of who they say they are or even what they appear to be can be trusted. Historically, pre-industrial societies believed in the existence of "elementals" of various sorts, dragons, demons, elves, pixies, Invisible Masters, and various other little people and paranormal beings. These entities were invariably supernaturally powerful, often belligerent and prone to playing pranks, as well as abducting children, seducing and raping women and teenage girls, and taking people to places where time seemed to pass at a different speed than the normal world. The theory identifies these entities as the action of the supposed consciousness. The motives of the consciousness behind the process are unknown, but it may be some kind of test about the ultimate nature of reality and humanity's ability to comprehend it, despite being handicapped by society and its taboos about what is and what isn't acceptable, as well as the state of modern physics. Presumably, beings with the ability to bend space, warp time and communicate telepathically may be in possession of the ultimate keys to the physical laws, which govern the universe. What may be occurring is some sort of first contact scenario by an unimaginable power, being played out over millennia, and not as Hollywood has always asserted, and science has demanded, by the proverbial UFO landing on the White House lawn. In short, the phenomenon, by its very existence, poses the question, "What is the ultimate nature of reality and the physical laws that underlie it?" In 1994, a number of European UFO researchers and authors met at the Santo Espíritu del Monte monastery in the Andalusian city of Valencia, Spain. Many of them couldn't help feeling like conspirators plotting the overthrow of an unreasonable political regime: they had gathered at this retreat for the purpose of furthering an alternative approach for the study of the UFO phenomenon. Admittedly, this was hardly innovative, but it was their intention to officialize their intention as a declaration, much in the same manner of those patriots who met in Philadelphia in 1776. The Project Delphos Manifesto, as it would come to be known, hoped to promote among its signatories the adherence to a single line of research aimed at proving that a considerable number of UFO sightings were of an interdimensional or paraphysical nature -- directly the opposite to the tenets of the ETH or Extraterrestrial Hypothesis. The initiative was spearheaded by French investigator Pierre Delaval, whose group, the Comission d'Etudes Ouranos, has long championed the belief that mankind has long been under the scrutiny of a non-human intelligence from another dimension or level of existence; Spain's Pedro Valverde and Ramón Navía, co-sponsors of the initiative, expressed the belief that "an extraplanetary force interferes in human affairs and with human minds, thwarting natural evolution since the beginning of time." I bring this 'hypothesis' up for a couple of reasons. It's one that I lean toward and the reason for this is the sheer variety of UFO sightings and aliens. The differences in stories from abductees and experiencers. The ability to travel through solid objects and the seeming ability to manipulate physics on a very grand scale. I am also aware that the theory isn't particularly popular with ufologists in general. Maybe the thought of one very manipulative and inventive alien (or race of them) is too daunting to consider. Omnipotent almost...unbeatable. The thought that something could have existed for so long, toying with us as it were, is something a lot of people will never comfortably consider I think, but I also think it's a very possible hypothesis that can explain many open mysteries. I'd ask you to read the articles accompanying this and chew it over together..pro's and cons. Do you fancy a benign (or militant) alien race from the nether reaches of space or maybe a more formidible oponent (or puppetmaster) a bit closer to home? It's mentioned in one of the articles below and maybe it's a good rule of thumb: Acording to Arthur C. Clark It's not a flying saucer unless you can read the Mars liscence plate. inexplicata.blogspot.com/2008/06/ufos-and-interdimensional-hypothesis.html www.theblackvault.com/wiki/index.php/Interdimensional_hypothesis www.experiencefestival.com/interdimensional_hypothesis www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4217643/k.5903/UFOs_and_Alien_Beings.htm
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Post by lois on Jan 26, 2011 22:04:39 GMT -6
Jo.. I have thought the same over the years. I mean everything we call phenomena may be induced by these beings. Maybe Ghost is a hologram they send. Since we know they are way ahead of with their technology, we can only speculate on what they can do, also what they can do with their minds alone. Power of suggestion is something us earthlings do know about.. How greater their minds must be..
Why? Maybe they want to confuse us.. keeping as much truth about themselves as possible.
The hybrid race may all be a farce.. Lies is what it all come down to.. What they want here is the hardest thing to understand and it will take us eternity to find out. I hope not.
There may never be contact, it could all be they will just go away someday.. and future mankind will look back on it as part of history.. But I do not believe that.
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Post by lois on Jan 26, 2011 22:15:14 GMT -6
There fall back could be the spirit of mankind, our souls and belief 's they do not understand, or have no concept of.. Good triumph's over evil in any case or situation. This I believe does include them no matter what kind of life form they are..or where they may be from..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 10:43:48 GMT -6
Good thoughts Lois For all we know, such beings could plant a lot of disinformation to keep people confused over the issue. What motives they might have we might not even understand if told. I have an easier time believing in one very manipulative race than our being visited by many different types of aliens. Before Christianity people believed in dozens of 'gods and goddesses'. They were not particularly nice, played tricks, could materialize into whatever they wanted and messed with the people constantly, in some cases seducing the women and having 'half breeds' who were stronger and more powerful. Maybe that was an early manifestation of the 'life form' Vallee was talking about.
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Post by sansseed on Jan 27, 2011 12:00:06 GMT -6
Interesting thoughts. When I have more time I will read the links. Although, I have given some thought to interdimensional beings as of late. Especially, after one night I had that involved seeing several shadows moving around my room/house. I thought I was losing my mind, but my dog also saw one of them. She tracked the shadow as it moved along my bedroom wall. There was something in my house that night. I couldn't see it, but my dog was sensing it and we both saw a shadow of it. What "it" was? Who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 15:26:12 GMT -6
There are many accounts of 'shadow people' Sanseed. A friend of mine moved into a house where they found dark magic 'materials' in a basement. He sees shadow people there but he's the only one in his family who does.
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Post by bewildered on Jan 27, 2011 18:58:23 GMT -6
Hiya Jo. You describe my own thoughts on the matter to a degree. We are dealing with beings who do not fit into any mode of existence that adheres to what people typically associate with reality. This is by itself a can of worms...because I am also convinced that people in general don't actually know what reality is beyond their own subjective, personal model. This makes the Ultra Terrestrial (UT) hypothesis all the more complex and difficult to quantify because these beings not only defy what most people commonly label as reality...but they also can work between and around someone's own subjective model! It is how they leave us scratching our heads, missing time, and otherwise wondering about our sanity. That's what makes this so stupefying and ridiculously frustrating. We have people, who don't really understand reality, and the UTs who are able to manipulate the very perceptions of those who are already, to a degree, deceived in the first place. It's enough to make me bang my head on my desktop over and over. So, where do they come from? Many of us here have experienced, to some extent, UFO's or have had encounters with an unstandard variety of beings. Some people have encounters with 'shadow' people, ghosts, big foot, fairies and the list goes on. There is a theory that takes all of these manifestations into account and explains them. For the most part, the 'general' UFO community doesn't accept it, but it has a following all of it's own. Interdimensional Hypotheses is the brain child of astrophysicist Jacques Vallee, and proposes the existance of a non-human consciousness, which may or may not possess a physical body or bodies, that exists either on or around the earth and is able to manipulate space, time and consciousness in ways that we presently do not understand. The UTs act as a "unified theory of everything" that is helpful in tying together what on the surface might appear like disparate experiences...for as Vallee, Keel, and others have discovered, certain features are shared in common with virtually all of these experiences: high strangeness. I applaud their work because they discover that the perceptions of the observer play a role in the manifestations of the UTs. Not only do they play a role...but a person's perceptions define the event. Well said. That is the question: just what is reality anyway? This leads into something else even more important. There's something more elemental, and perhaps disturbing, to consider. The most important element of our experience of UTs are not the UTs themselves...it is us. I would like for the reader to consider, for a moment, the essence of a confidence scheme. We are all familiar with con artists...but is it understood how those schemes actually work? I assert that a "con" is a victimless crime because a successful con is one part schemer and one part mark ("mark" being the victim). In other words, a con artist might place the pieces out there...but it is the mark who moves those pieces around and thus deceives their own self in the process. They see only what they want to see, and the best con artists know this all too well. They create the opportunity. The mark does the rest. This touches upon the essence of the ultra terrestrials and our interaction with them. It's a con, pure and simple. The problem is manifold. We already deceive ourselves to a high degree in our daily lives. We do it without thought or pause; we form a version of the universe in our conscious, and move forward seeing nothing but that internal model of reality. In a nutshell, we see what we want to see. I call that artifacts of perception...our conscious extrapolates and "fills in the blanks" with what it already considers as "real"... even when it can be proven that it is not! The UTs are very aware of this. Not only are they aware of it, but they take advantage of it. The majority of human beings don't understand their own minds and how their own subjective schema works, and so the ultra terrestrial can easily manipulate our perceptions and leave us mouths agape and dumbfounded. This has been the realm of my experiences: ultra terrestrials. I am more than familiar with the phenomenon, and it is precisely because of my life-long struggles and weird experiences with UTs that I eventually sought to learn all I can about the very thing they have used against me: my mind. What I have learned thus far is more than informative: it has lead to a radical transformation, affecting everything about me and my existence. I can't stress the importance of such a journey enough. It's one everyone should undertake. Age nor any other factor does not matter in the slightest: it's never too late, nor too soon, to learn about yourself in a way that none of us have ever been taught to do. Your mind is the key.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 20:38:39 GMT -6
People often do see what they want to or expect to see. This hypothesis falls easily in with that. We may be doing half of the work ourselves in our own deception. On our own behalf, I think there is a growing 'consciousness' (if you will). More and more people are needing different answers to the same old questions. I think that is part of the 'drive' a lot of people are experiencing right now. I would, for lack of a better phrasing, describe it that way (for myself anyway) that I feel 'driven' to understand..to KNOW. This started just a couple of years past (oh about the time my heart attack killed me). A dawning that nothing was making sense, things felt 'shifted' and not aligned any longer and I've been 'hunting' ever since. Not for 'aliens' but for some understanding of the universe because the answers I have are not the right ones. That some intelligent unearthly presence is influencing most every thing we know and using us to do it, wouldn't surprise me in the least..something is, in my opinion.
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Post by bewildered on Jan 27, 2011 21:45:29 GMT -6
People often do see what they want to or expect to see. This hypothesis falls easily in with that. We may be doing half of the work ourselves in our own deception. On our own behalf, I think there is a growing 'consciousness' (if you will). More and more people are needing different answers to the same old questions. I think that is part of the 'drive' a lot of people are experiencing right now. I would, for lack of a better phrasing, describe it that way (for myself anyway) that I feel 'driven' to understand..to KNOW. This started just a couple of years past (oh about the time my heart attack killed me). A dawning that nothing was making sense, things felt 'shifted' and not aligned any longer and I've been 'hunting' ever since. Not for 'aliens' but for some understanding of the universe because the answers I have are not the right ones. That some intelligent unearthly presence is influencing most every thing we know and using us to do it, wouldn't surprise me in the least..something is, in my opinion. That desire is what fuels the process. The next step is to face whatever we find and be willing to accept what it tells us, no matter how difficult it might be to swallow (and oh my, how difficult it has been). This has invariably led me, time and time again, to look at myself and realize my direct responsibility in my suffering. How easy it would be to be able to proclaim at last, "aha! It's their fault!" What ends up happening is I'm left sitting there, realizing how much at fault I am. The trick is not to beat myself up over it. I used to in the past. In a way, putting a stop to self-flagellation was even more difficult than seeing just how deluded I was. Understanding the role UTs play in this, coupled with my own conscious, was an entirely new vista that I explored. It was the "next level" in a manner of speaking. That's the scary part: they know you far better than you know your own self. Piercing the veil is no small feat because you arrive at the threshold where you begin to understand that you understand nothing at all about your own mind. Sounds weird, but there you have it. What we commonly consider as our "mind" is not our mind at all...it is instead a construct of the mind. That construct is the conscious. The "real" mind, lurking somewhere beyond the periphery of the conscious machine, is what we have always erroneously called the " subconscious." I don't call it that any longer, not after all that I have learned. I just call it the mind. The ultra terrestrials do not operate within the illusory limitations that we ourselves do. They manipulate us so masterfully because we are essentially living in a dreamworld, locking the focal point of our awareness into the conscious construct, itself nothing but a binary computer intended only to interpret data gleaned from what you touch, taste, smell, see, and hear. It is literally walled off by the mind and spoon-fed imagery in a limited flow: thus, why most of us lose awareness of portions of what we dream. The conscious was not intended to process unimaginable amounts of information. This brings something else up that ties in to the entire UT experience...dreams. Dreaming is nothing but the experience of an altered state wherein your consciousness is "shut down" by the mind...and you directly experience the imagery and forms of the variety that the UTs themselves move and breathe in. Time and space (as well as identity) are meaningless to the mind, just as they are to the ultra terrestrials. Sometimes, residual patterns persist that bleed past the periphery of the conscious...and so for a typically short time after waking up, you might experience the mind-blowing knowledge that your mind itself possesses. That's happened to me on countless occasions. As surely as I possessed it, however, it fled like smoke in the wind...and all I was left with were images and the thoughts and emotions that accompanied them. I did want to touch on what I have encountered as I felt the "boundary," or veil, that masked the UTs from my awareness. The "truth" beneath their charade is that we ourselves are the primary players, and they use that. This is where that quote from the cartoon Pogo becomes a blazing truth engraved upon the molten face of a burning mountain: I discovered the truth of those words in my experiences with UTs. They sting deeply.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 29, 2011 7:40:07 GMT -6
I agree that this is an interesting theory, but when it comes to ultraterrestrials verses extraterrestrials I don't think it has to be an either/or proposition. They could both be responsible for the incidents of "high strangeness" that people have, along with a host of other possibilities we have not even begun to imagine yet. Anything is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2011 10:33:59 GMT -6
I agree with Bewildered. Deception and lies seems to be a huge part of their agenda...
I mean... why would they tell each and every one of us something different?
They are trying to hide something from us. The question is... what are they trying to hide behind the curtain? Who IS the man behind the curtain, and why is he manipulating our sense and perceptions?
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Post by skywalker on Jan 29, 2011 10:41:55 GMT -6
Maybe it is not they who are deceiving us. Maybe we are deceiving ourselves. It could be that these beings are taking the shape and form that we give them, whether it is consciously or subconsciouly. If people believe in little green lephrachauns then they appear as little green leprechauns, if people believe in gray-skinned space aliens then they appear as gray-skinned space aliens. Maybe it is our faith in them that allows them to cross over into our realm.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2011 11:00:40 GMT -6
I agree Lorelei. It's always bothered me that there are so many different stories, types of aliens and postures of aliens so I look for things that could explain those anomalies. Either there is one very old and deceptive alien species which for it's own reasons manipulates what others see and experience, or there are the 30 or so races people claim (who all like to mess with the earth flora and fauna) and the earth has become their super bowl or we're mass delusional. They would have to (as suggested) be capable of manipulating time, mass, space ..all aspects of the environment and it still doesn't explain why some people are left alone and others are targeted by them. Welcome to the matrix, and not many people want to believe their lives are that controlled. I don't, but it does make more sense to me than multiple races down here all intent on messing with the natives. If not exactly as the articles hint at, then still some form of 'interdimensional' being that knows a different set of physical realities. From TT's soul suckers to all of the other incredible stories..this is one way that all of them can be right. Person out enjoying a walk in the forrest..hmmm...lets show him a 'bigfoot' let him snap a blurry photo and see how it messes with his life and how he now will believe in everything he's never believed in before. Will his wife divorce him for being a nut case? Will he shoot some high official while trying to get his point across? What we experience...in a very large part...helps to make us who we become. Are things being put in our path to 'mold' our characters? With some entity busily taking notes on our progress. "This, Master Po is what I predicted but the test subject behaved somewhat differently (well actually he jumped off a bridge screaming get out of my head) but why Master Po? My predictions should have been correct!" Maybe we are the myth, there is no insanity and bigfoot will streak the superbowl
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Post by skywalker on Jan 29, 2011 11:11:36 GMT -6
Maybe we are the myth, there is no insanity and bigfoot will streak the superbowl That might be even better than Janet Jackson.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2011 11:14:51 GMT -6
Maybe we are the myth, there is no insanity and bigfoot will streak the superbowl That might be even better than Janet Jackson. LOL... Good thoughts jokelly. The tricks and deception seem to also describe biblical descriptions of "Demons". Interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2011 15:34:31 GMT -6
Food for thought ;D
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Post by bewildered on Jan 29, 2011 21:56:08 GMT -6
Maybe it is not they who are deceiving us. Maybe we are deceiving ourselves. This is precisely the case. It's a con...and we, being the marks of the scheme, are the ones hanging ourselves with the noose that's oh-so-conveniently being offered. Our subjective schema...that is, the elements of our own internal universe...supply us with all the wrong points of view and perception in the first place, independent of any exterior activity. We don't understand ourselves, don't understand how unimaginably vast the universe and thus reality really is, and so this sets the stage for self-deception on a grand scale. We needn't concern ourselves about being deceived by UT or ET. We're doing that to ourselves already. I wouldn't say that beings not encumbered in the manner that we are (wrapped up in la-la land), are therefore somehow empowered to enter our "realm" because of some kind of power that give to them. Is a blade of grass a blade of grass because you think it is so? No...but your experience of that blade of grass, on the other hand, has everything to do with you, your perceptions, and your awareness. We don't exist in a "realm" separate from anything else. This can be somewhat difficult to explain, but I'll try. The conscious...what everyone typically associates as "mind," the self, and identity...is nothing but a construct. It's a creation of the mind, and not the mind itself - not by a long shot. It operates directly under the governance of psychological programming much like a computer does. It is, in fact, a computer interface for all intents and purposes, for it behaves just like one. This interface is designed to operate the body and guide how it interacts with the sensations of touch, sight, sound, smell, and to a limited degree, thought. We have vested a great deal of awareness into a finite point - this conscious construct - and mistakenly believe it is "me." When we go to sleep, we believe we are shut down...or at least, don't remember all of the things going on in our mind while sleeping. The conscious is incapable of perceiving very much. Therefore, it engages in a great deal of extrapolation in order to imprint order upon a cosmos so vast that it cannot begin to understand or experience it all. If it does not engage in this activity then the boundaries imposed upon it begin to decay and psychological programs begin to operate in unintended ways...ways that typically have undesirable consequences. In short, the conscious is a virtual reality generator. Cause it to "hiccup" and things go awry. The conscious does not ordinarily perceive beyond the imaginary boundaries imposed upon it. So, something beyond its ability to comprehend that it somehow becomes cognizant of might appear as if it's from "another" reality, so to speak...when in actuality, it's not. Why does that happen? I'm not exactly sure - and I have my guesses as to why - but sometimes, fragments of reality that we are usually oblivious of catch our attention. It could be via the efforts of the ultra terrestrials themselves. I think that's the case most of the time. This is an oversimplification, because I suspect that the "UTs" are actually ourselves. They are us. Time and space does not function nor exist in the way we think it does...it does not travel in lines, and there is no real "past" nor "future." There is only now. There are particles that are waves, and a spinning radiant body (you) that oscillates in frequency, sending particle-waves in every possible direction all simultaneously. In such a schema, the point of origin and the point of destination are one and the same. Space therefore becomes a point of view, and time is relative to that point of view. I'm not sure if any of that makes sense, because it is very difficult to organize into words. Reality itself is very unified...it's ourselves that are divided and fragmented. P.S. - If you catch the reference to a spinning radiant body, then naturally you would think of a star. A star is an excellent illustration of what I am describing. We are very much like stars.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 11:47:24 GMT -6
I'll add this to our mix of theories and hypothosis'. The Fermi Paradox. In it's most basic form the Fermi Paradox is a contradiction in terms. There is a huge probability of life (other than Earth) in the Milky Way Galaxy but no evidence of it. We don't see the efforts of any other civilization so far. No satellites or space debris, no probes or do we really believe that the 'government' could cover up every shred of it from amateur astronomers or the scientists from other countries? In short: The apparent size and age of the universe suggest that many technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilizations ought to exist. However, this hypothesis seems inconsistent with the lack of observational evidence to support it. |
I'm not debunking any of the theories posed..I'm interested in pursuing and discussing different directions and I agree with the Fermi Paradox. That is why the Interdimensional Hypothesis strikes me as a probable answer. I think quite possibly that there are beings from other dimensions that use the earth as a lab. I think people see space ships, I think people are abducted and experimented on. I don't think they are head cases, I believe them and the reason we don't have the proof is because they 'slip' through interdimensional doorways leaving only enough of themselves behind to create the intrigue we have. The top URL below is especially an interesting read (at least to me it was). www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Fermi_paradoxen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradoxfermisparadox.com/
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Post by bewildered on Jan 31, 2011 5:03:11 GMT -6
I agree with Bewildered. Deception and lies seems to be a huge part of their agenda... I mean... why would they tell each and every one of us something different? They are trying to hide something from us. The question is... what are they trying to hide behind the curtain? Who IS the man behind the curtain, and why is he manipulating our sense and perceptions? I'm not certain that most would like the answer to that question. It's possible that some would prefer deception to the truth, and to be honest, I really can't blame them for that. I had a horrendous time with this myself. We possess a terribly skewed perception of ourselves. It's skewed to the point that we really don't know who - or what - we are. I'm not about to claim that I know much, because I certainly don't. What I do know, however, has led me to some desolate places. I've employed "dream language" in the past to communicate portions of this to others, but I found that I was not satisfied with the results. The "dream language" I refer to took the form of poetry and rhythmic language constructs using symbolism as my paintbrush. No matter how hard I tried, I was only able to successfully communicate with a select few. That was not my intention. Even now as I seek to couch these things in "nuts and bolts" terminology, I find that it makes little to no sense at all, because nuts and bolts cannot possibly convey enough information in a single stream. It ends up sounding like psychology, every time. While that is certainly an element, it is a one-dimensional image of something that possesses eleven such dimensions of inexpressible depth and breadth. The only way I can ever hope to give you my vision is to utilize symbolism to unlock the multi-channel stream, and risk alienating most of you. I'm not sure if that's something I want to do. Sometimes, all I want to do is hide. It's not so worth it anymore.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 18, 2011 23:41:04 GMT -6
I'll add this to our mix of theories and hypothosis'. The Fermi Paradox. In it's most basic form the Fermi Paradox is a contradiction in terms. There is a huge probability of life (other than Earth) in the Milky Way Galaxy but no evidence of it. We don't see the efforts of any other civilization so far. No satellites or space debris, no probes or do we really believe that the 'government' could cover up every shred of it from amateur astronomers or the scientists from other countries? In short: The apparent size and age of the universe suggest that many technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilizations ought to exist. However, this hypothesis seems inconsistent with the lack of observational evidence to support it. |
I'm not debunking any of the theories posed..I'm interested in pursuing and discussing different directions and I agree with the Fermi Paradox. That is why the Interdimensional Hypothesis strikes me as a probable answer. I think quite possibly that there are beings from other dimensions that use the earth as a lab. I think people see space ships, I think people are abducted and experimented on. I don't think they are head cases, I believe them and the reason we don't have the proof is because they 'slip' through interdimensional doorways leaving only enough of themselves behind to create the intrigue we have. The top URL below is especially an interesting read (at least to me it was). www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Fermi_paradoxen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradoxfermisparadox.com/I don't think it is all that unusual that we haven't seen any sign of space debris or other related bits and pieces of alien technology spread throughout the Milky Way. We only have the technological capability of looking for things here in our own solar system and we have barely scratched the surface of that. If any debris were floating out in space and accidentally made it to Earth it would likely burn up as it entered the atmosphere. If it managed to reach the surface it would either sink into the oceans or be swallowed by the ground as dust and mud slowly covered it up. There might be completely intact alien space craft buried under our feet right now that landed here millions of years ago and we just haven't found them yet because once again, we have barely scratched the surface of the planet. Another thing you have to consider is just how big the galaxy is and how long it has been here. If aliens came here millions of years ago would we know about it today? Probably not, unless we accidentally stumbled over something they left behind...and who says they would leave anything? If they are advanced enough to travel gazillions of miles through space why couldn't they be advanced enough to not leave any garbage behind?
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The only way I can ever hope to give you my vision is to utilize symbolism to unlock the multi-channel stream, and risk alienating most of you. I'm not sure if that's something I want to do. Sometimes, all I want to do is hide. It's not so worth it anymore. Bewildered, I don't know what to say to that. Words can only express so much, as you have already stated. All I can say to you is this: ~hugs~ I know that seems simple and primitive, but it expresses so much more than words can... I have discovered (while dealing with the general public as a customer service person) that body language is a very crucial part of interpersonal communication. I can use certain gestures to cause ANY customer... regardless of how intelligent she is, regardless of how old he is to do what I want him or her to do. If you give someone a command, they can easily recoil and snarl "No!" back at you... but if you give them a command by a gesture or a motion, or the tone of your voice for example, they won't pick up on it as a command, and will go along with your non-verbal command every single time! There is so much more to communication than mere words, poetry and song lyrics... ~hugs again~ ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 10:59:24 GMT -6
I think this seems to boil down to what you want to believe or maybe even what you need to believe. The idea of many races clamoring to 'visit' the earth makes the universe seem a bit less huge and lonely. We have 'brothers' in space...we're not alone and maybe someday we can scoot around the galaxy in a space ship and belong to some great federation of planets where we'll be welcomed as members. Or...there is a race of 'super beings' (or just one) who has engineered everything that has happened to us since we crawled out of caveman diapers. Beings that basically enjoy playing with us and testing us..providing us with lifetimes of 'happenings' just to see how we will react to them. Making one encounter a cruel nightmare and one the hope and promise of mankind. Some people get to see angels..some devils. And naturally I'm over simplifying. These beings would be omnipotent...gods. I like the first version but I see the possibility of the second. I see so many things explained by that theory and so much hope lost because if that is the right version..we'll never be anything more than pawns on a very large chessboard. On the bright side..maybe we'll outgrow the puppet masters..and on the brighter side..maybe theory 1 is right after all
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Post by paulette on Feb 19, 2011 12:58:12 GMT -6
Maybe it is not they who are deceiving us. Maybe we are deceiving ourselves. It could be that these beings are taking the shape and form that we give them, whether it is consciously or subconsciouly. If people believe in little green lephrachauns then they appear as little green leprechauns, if people believe in gray-skinned space aliens then they appear as gray-skinned space aliens. Maybe it is our faith in them that allows them to cross over into our realm. This is the way that people who have "looked over to the other side" - during dying and articulated it. If you expect angels - you get angels, Devils - same. If you want your grannie there - she's there. Maybe those are all versions of the same thing. Us or ultra-us. I liked Contact in which Jodie Foster's father came and talked to her. Was it her father at all? Had it ever been her father? Was she just hanging unconscious in her seat? I personally think that feeling optimistic about contact with whatever - bear, ET, other people is probably the best tool one can have. That and a certain amount of common sense. There is a man who swims with sharks and learned the "language" of their body posturing (for those of you intending to swim with sharks - pectoral fins stiffly down - menacing/territorial. It worked really well - he only got bitten really badly once!)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 14:44:19 GMT -6
So many conflicting theories..it just goes to prove to me..that if there is a 'right' answer..we don't know we know it
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