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Post by skywalker on Jan 6, 2013 15:51:24 GMT -6
This is fascinating. Paulette posted this on facebook and it is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Plants that sing and make music! What will they think of next? I would like to find out exactly what type of a device they are using that allows the plants to make the sounds like that. It says they are trying raise the funds to help produce the device whatever it is. Apparently the plants must be producing some type of an electric charge since there are electrodes involved. Perhaps they use this energy to communicate with one another. We have always known that plants respond to voices and music. Perhaps this explains why.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 16:55:25 GMT -6
I have a friend who is an electronics and communications tech. He may know if I can remember to ask him. Plutronus may know also. It is cool.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 6, 2013 17:40:51 GMT -6
I wonder if plants have a "language" that we could figure out and understand? I also wonder if different species have their own language? Would a group of plants singing together all sing in harmony? So many questions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 18:38:20 GMT -6
That is amazing..and very lovely. Gads..the plants I've killed
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Post by skywalker on Jan 6, 2013 18:59:53 GMT -6
Yeah, I know. Every time we mow the lawn we wipe out an orchestra.
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Post by auntym on Jan 6, 2013 19:27:56 GMT -6
well they do say plants respond to our voices & to music... i've always heard we should talk to our plants...so i'm not real surprised...
very interesting...
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Post by skywalker on Jan 6, 2013 20:20:31 GMT -6
Plants do respond to voices and music. I always assumed it was because they responded to the sound vibrations. Never knew they could actually communicate but it kind of makes sense. I still want to know how that machine works.
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Post by plutronus on Jan 7, 2013 3:34:11 GMT -6
I have a friend who is an electronics and communications tech. He may know if I can remember to ask him. Plutronus may know also. It is cool.
Cliff, & Sky,
Thanks. I apologize for the length of this post. And, ya'll might wonder why I expend so much time yakking about my freind below. Well its because, the fellow was/is the the principal cause of the biorythm flap (which was based entirely on his GSR instrument), and is the basis of the musical instrument configuration that started this thread.
Irregardless, the plant/musical gadget is fascinating and its obvious that they have expended a bit of time developing it, which is kewl.
However, regarding singing plants or rather, musical plants, there is something not quite right in their story, or maybe its an advertising misnomer? Perhaps it is just a ploy to sell their plant-synthesizer? However, it may well not be a gimmick, entirely. While, it is my opinion, that all plants are telepathically sensitive (everything alive is), as far as the research data indicates, plants are not directly sensitive to aural (Human) spectrum sonic (through-the-air) vibrations. Since plants themselves don't sing, they very likely have not developed the cognitive awareness to understand or to hear high-fidelity 'audio' sound. Also there are some cues about what is actually happening in the video if one looks carefully.
One can see some equipment on a surface, there is a power-strip hosting a couple of wall-warts (power-supplies), and pair of stereo loud-speakers, one on either side of a two component equipment 'stack'. The bottom box is obviously a stereo amplifier of some design with an equalizer (audio filter) and various other audio controls. The bottom box is also obviously very commercial in its construction appearance. While, the top box, however, is where the magic takes place, the music, and is obviously a custom fabricated gadget. I see signs that it is digital, and very likely, in my opinion, contains a microprocessor driven MIDI synthesizer. The quality of the 'music' is classic MIDI, in my opinion.
Also, I noticed that they are attaching only TWO wires to the plant, one on a leaf, not very comfortable for the plant, as its an alligator-clip, and those things damage leaves, (noticed that they attached the clip, and there was 'shy' silence noted? Probably pain-reaction) and the second contact, is claimed to be "connected to the root" of the plant. I make this point, because, the 'music' one hears in the video is multi-tonal, exhibiting multiple voices, with the inference being that the plant is electing to use those sounds, yet there are only two wires? Any of you ever use a biorhythm machine? Was it musical? Did it play multi-tonal orchestra music? Biorhythm machines only employ two contacts, and they work exactly the same way that the top-box in the video works, at least on its front-end. It is after all, a GSR sensor of some design, how else can it measure the plant physiology using only conduction?
Plant physiology is measurable due to the cells changing cellular conduction just as Human physiology does. Nope, there is software running in the top-box, which is looking at the plant conduction measurement amplitudes and is using that data to index into look-up-table 'profile' to synthesize multi-voice 'music' that the programmer of the software designed and pre-selected. In that sense, it is a gimmick, but in the sense that their gadget is measuring plant physiology changes into digital events, isn't. Nothing new really, other than mapping magnitude to preselected 'charming' music, which is the gimmick. In any case the plant is not 'singing'. But the plant may in fact be responding to Human intent, and or other plants consciousness around it. Which would be very kewl.
And it just so happens, (I get to yak a bit here), that I know the 'inventor' of plant-parapsychology and I have actually replicated a few of his plant parapsychology 'telepathy' experiments.
Cleve Backster.
I tracked him down, as I was interested to learn his current techniques for measuring alien intelligence. Plant consciousness is very alien in comparison with Human intelligence. I located his research facility, in San Diego California, "Backster BioCommunication Laboratory" and I called him on the phone in 1995. I told him that I replicated his 'A GSR Plant Parapsychology Experiment", which was published in (now defunct) "Popular Electronics" magazine in 1967. In that paper, Backster provided engineering details about how to fabricate a simple six transistor, GSR meter with readout and how to instrument various broad-leaf plants using the GSR instrument. The basic idea of the experiment was the validation of envisioning, (dreaming little dreams) thoughts at an instrumented plant and to record the electrical physiological variations in the plant's 'skin' resistance as result of the intent.
I found Cleve Backster to be a very interesting fellow and knowledgeable in many subjects and, mentally he was sharp as a tack too. He sent me a bunch of his research papers. Absolutely fascinating science and very thorough in his processes. Unfortunately, recently, (2011) Cleve Backster suffered a stroke, and lost the usage of his vocal chords and is partially paralyzed on the left side.
Backster also is the coiner of two words that are commonly used in parapsychology, those being 'psionics' and 'psychotronics'. He also coined the phrase, 'Primary Perception', which one hears at SSE Conferences, by notables such Dean Radin, Beverly Rubiak, Harold Puthoff, Jessica Utts, Roger Nelson and Jacques Vallee. That crowd.
Cleve was the first to electrically, using electronics to measure plants, to investigate their behaviors, in doing so, discovered that plants, irregardless of the distance from the stimulus, respond measurably to Human intent. But it didn't stop there, he discovered that there is an intelligence-link between cells and the host donor of the cells. Things like babies to their mothers, cells scraped from inside the mouth and the host.
Ad rem, there were others who also did other types of plant-physiology studies, and one notably used music, "Jagadish Bose", an East Indian scientist in the late 1800s. In Bose studies, he developed a measuring instrument, that logged plant growth length. It was non-electronic mechanical instrument, calibrated to microns, that drew a graph of plant growth on smoke-stained glass, by scratching off the smoke-stain. The graph was viewable by shining a light through the mostly opaque glass, the 'line' scratched off was the 'recording'. It was known as the "Bose crescograph":
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescograph
It is interesting to note, that all of the music that Bose played, and that apparently caused the plants to grow larger, was also music that Bose himself chose to listen to, in fact the music was his favorite, and he listened to it inside his laboratory in the same location as the experiment plants. It has been argued by psi-scientists, that the experiment plants were not actually sensing the music, but was responding to their hosts love of the music, psychically. In other words, Bose may have contaminated his experiment results as he did not realize the psi-link between himself to the plants exist. Bose was not working to validate psychotronic effect. One must be very careful in their experiment design and configurations.
Cleve Backster was first on record to experiment with plants, by hooking them up to his galvanic-skin-resistance (GSR) instruments, n which Cleve Backster was an early developer of, and serious experimenter. His early experiments with plants began in 1961, when he was experimenting with a polygraph that he invented for usage as a 'lie-detector'. Backster, always watered his plants at a specific time each day. All of those plants were being GSR graphed as part of an ongoing environmental experiment he was conducting. Cleve told me, that he was called out of town by the FBI, and that when he was on an airplane, that he realized that he wouldn't be able to water his experiment plants back home, he glanced at his watch and noted that it was 2:30pm. Later, when he returned from the business trip, he checked the chart-recording of his experiment plants and noticed that at exactly 2:30pm, all of his plants spiked. A strange coincidence? From that humble beginning, Cleve Backster began a 45 year long scientific study to determine the nature of the link between Human intent and biological life.
Later, Hal Puthoff, quantum physicist, and the defacto developer of the (once again, classified) US Military Remote-Viewing program, worked with and studied Cleve Backster's plant parapsychology experiments, so much so, that he published a research report detailing his experiments, (this is a technical report) which one may view here:
www.ebdir.net/enlighten/sri_ocr_final_full_version_high_06b.pdf
Backster was employed as a consultant for both the FBI and the CIA, as he was a polygraph expert and was one of the foremost authority on the instrument he helped to develop in his experiments. He discovered that plants respond telepathically. He wrote a few papers detailing his studies, but was met with derision by others who attempted to replicate his plant-parapsychology/telepathy experiments, many with dubious and varying results. It seems the more skeptical one is, in replicating telepathy experiments, the poorer the results. The experimenters 'leak' their intent, thereby influencing the noosphere of consciousness. And then, after all, plants are social. In any case, Dr Backster expended many years attempting to edify the scientific community regarding the nature of his experiments and the results of those experiments.
Re; Singing to the plants, playing music in the vicinity of plants, produced no electrical results in my experiments. However, plants, based on my experimental experience using Dr. Backster's GSR instrument design, clearly exhibited telepathic response. But I was open-minded to the idea. In any case, it is my opinion, that one must do things that plants can understand, within their mind-construct and that they can appreciate and or embrace. They are alive, they are social beings. Envisioning watering of a plant produces measurable electrical results for instance. Envisioning extreme ideas do produce results, but the best results are those that meet the cognitive schema of plant life....ya have ta think as a plant thinks...what do they think?, need?, desire? We have no idea, do we?...yet the closest thing we broach is watering, and their perception of time is very different from that of Humans yet there remain measurable events, irregardless of how poorly Humans understand the mindset of plant life.
One of Dr. Backster's experiments over the years involved detecting the psychic connection between cells and their host donor, so much so, that, separated hundreds of miles, the instrumented cells (in a test-tube, supported in a saline slush, instrumented using PH probes) precisely syncopated. The biorhythms of the Human host donor, matched to the millisecond, when comparing the two separately located data-logs recorded from the host and the cells. The information suggests that there is no time-latency between the host biorhythm and the cells indication of the host's biorhythm. That is the quantification of the basic function of telepathy. Non-temporal transference of intelligence. Accurate transfer of data 'traveling' between two widely remote points with zero time delay.
Here's a bit of trivia...Dr. Backster, offered to design for me (in 1996), a telepathy experiment, using in-vitro-leukocytes. At that time I was hob-nobbling with a pal who was a player in the Mars Pathfinder (JPL) community. Was doing actual engineering work on the FUR unit that's now sitting on Mars. Backster asked if we could 'squeeze' an extra experiment package aboard the spacecraft cruise-stage. The adhoc plan: A test-tube supporting Human donor-cells, instrumented (including an on-spacecraft accurate time-stamp for each live data sample while out between the planets), the data telemetered back to Earth via the spacecraft microwave link (received & operated by one of the divisions of my previous employer), the Deep-Space Network. Cleve's idea, was to create an experiment that would 'prove' that a Human host (who donated the live-cells to be carried on the spacecraft cruise-stage), would be psychically linked at great distances from the cells, out past the light-marker. This data would prove scientifically that telepathy is instantaneous, non-temporal, super-luminal, faster-than-light when the spacecraft cruise-stage was out past the 186,272 miles point, or speed-of-light per-second way-marker from Earth. By comparing the telemetry sent from the space-craft's time-stamped cell data, the GSR spikes triggered by Human intent at specific known times on Earth, would show up as 'spikes' in the sampled instrumented cell data, and in theory, would line up exactly, in precise syncopated rhythm (something that Backster had done many times on Earth at hundreds of miles), thereby proving that telepathy is super-luminal. A really neato experiment idea, but, one we could not do. If not super-luminal, there would be a significant time difference between the Earth time-stamp and the space-craft time stamp for the same exact event which would not be related to the data-transfer time, via the microwave link, traveling at the speed of light in a vacuum. A very clever experiment.
Here is an interview by Derrick Jensen and Backster (transcript 1996), it'll give ya idea of some of Backster's psionic research:
www.derrickjensen.org/work/published/essays-interviews/the-plants-respond-interview-with-cleve-backster/
And for those who are really interested, here is a fun source of info:
www.ebdir.net/enlighten/
And of course our lovely and free WikiPedia (remember to donate a little something to them each year, $5 etc):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleve_Backster
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 7:15:13 GMT -6
I've been waiting for someones reply before I chimed in here . Didn't want you guys all worried about me ;D. Long story short, at my job, we can't get any plants to thrive in the school library. It is an old school, but a couple of years ago the library (including its air system) was redone to include a new computer lab (an actual add-on to the buliding). There's plenty of sunlight, and I've tried different types of plants in there. It has become a topic of conversation ;D, because other people are able to chime in with their experiences in this same library. We keep going on about the air quality. This past Friday, I was sitting all alone in there in a cubby area, reading for a few minutes. The Librarian spotted me (rats! and asked me if I was going to move out the latest plant . I mumbled something, and she left. Suddenly, I had a rather strange thought. "If a plant could think, what would be the worst place to have one sitting?" ;D ;D
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Post by skywalker on Jan 7, 2013 10:55:15 GMT -6
Thanks, Plutronus. I was hoping you might have some insight into the type of equipment they were using in the video. Lorelei suggested the device might have something called a harmonic generator that could take a single musical note, or in this case maybe a single electrical impulse from a plant, and transform it into a series of musical chords. If that was the case than the plants themselves wouldn't actually be doing the singing because the music would be generated by the machine. In the video the woman said that she "trained" the plants to sing by exposing them to classical music and that she could take the "trained" plants to a different area and use them to "teach" other plants to sing also. I wonder if what she is saying is really true or if there is some type of scam going on? Based on my own limited knowledge of electronics (it's one area that constantly keeps me throwing temper tantrums ) it would seem to me that if there is an alligator clip attached to a leaf and another one attached to a root that would basically be like completing a circuit. I would assume that as long as there is some electrical conductivity to the thing that the clips are attached to that it would produce the same results as those seen in the video...whether the clips were attached to a person or a metal table or whatever. That still has me wondering about what she said about "training" them to sing though. I'm going to see if I can find out more about what exactly it is that these people are doing. I still think it is fascinating whether the plants are singing or communicating telepathically or whatever. Just the idea that plants can communicate with one another or react emotionally to external stimuli such as human intent is fascinating to me. I'm still checking out the links that you posted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 11:11:03 GMT -6
I have a friend who is an electronics and communications tech. He may know if I can remember to ask him. Plutronus may know also. It is cool.
One can see some equipment on a surface, there is a power-strip hosting a couple of wall-warts (power-supplies), and pair of stereo loud-speakers, one on either side of a two component equipment 'stack'. The bottom box is obviously a stereo amplifier of some design with an equalizer (audio filter) and various other audio controls. The bottom box is also obviously very commercial in its construction appearance. While, the top box, however, is where the magic takes place, the music, and is obviously a custom fabricated gadget. I see signs that it is digital, and very likely, in my opinion, contains a microprocessor driven MIDI synthesizer. The quality of the 'music' is classic MIDI, in my opinion.
Also, I noticed that they are attaching only TWO wires to the plant, one on a leaf, not very comfortable for the plant, as its an alligator-clip, and those things damage leaves, (noticed that they attached the clip, and there was 'shy' silence noted? Probably pain-reaction) and the second contact, is claimed to be "connected to the root" of the plant. I make this point, because, the 'music' one hears in the video is multi-tonal, exhibiting multiple voices, with the inference being that the plant is electing to use those sounds, yet there are only two wires? Any of you ever use a biorhythm machine? Was it musical? Did it play multi-tonal orchestra music? Biorhythm machines only employ two contacts, and they work exactly the same way that the top-box in the video works, at least on its front-end. It is after all, a GSR sensor of some design, how else can it measure the plant physiology using only conduction?
Plant physiology is measurable due to the cells changing cellular conduction just as Human physiology does. Nope, there is software running in the top-box, which is looking at the plant conduction measurement amplitudes and is using that data to index into look-up-table 'profile' to synthesize multi-voice 'music' that the programmer of the software designed and pre-selected. In that sense, it is a gimmick, but in the sense that their gadget is measuring plant physiology changes into digital events, isn't. Nothing new really, other than mapping magnitude to preselected 'charming' music, which is the gimmick. In any case the plant is not 'singing'. But the plant may in fact be responding to Human intent, and or other plants consciousness around it. Which would be very kewl.
Thanks Plutronus. I was suspecting that bottom gadget on the 'stack' was a stereo amp with an equalizer. I also suspected that what we were hearing was a pre-select tone as you mentioned. If it would have been another species of plant it most likely would sound the same because of this designed setup. The rhythm however with each "pulse" that is sent out, if it is genuinely registering, makes this very interesting regardless. What you were saying helped confirm what I was suspecting if I have this right. I'm not an expert but I kind of get what's happening here,,,I think. I agree about those gator clips, ouch.
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Post by paulette on Jan 7, 2013 13:16:55 GMT -6
And I'll jump in, as this was my find in Cyberspace. I also posted a Mythbusters in which the crew alternated between yelling nasty things at green bean plants, saying nice things (and they had the comments on the feedback loop but they also stuck their heads into the individual greenhouses and yelled, etc.) And played classical music and played death metal music for some. The control got no contact. All were watered the same etc.
Talk about an uncontrolled experiment. The various people did both the friendly and hostile messages - so psychically I'm assuming that message was ambivilent at best. The music that produced the best results (growing) was the death metal.
I could imagine plants attempting to "read" opposite messages from the same person and being plant curious/wary. As for the heavy metal - my friend who is gardener said she read a study in which plants that experience a breeze that moves their branches grow sturdier. This makes sense as an outside plant needs to stand up to weather. So when she grows plants under lights in the early spring (that later will go outside), she runs her hands LIGHTLY over the leaves and stems - simulating wind.
She has a fantastic fertile garden that they basically live off most of the year.
Heavy metal music would produce the most base notes and rumblings. Sorta like wind. Just thinking...
As for the singing plants - they did say they had a synthesizer and no doubt it was programming play sappy tinking new age sounds with the electrical fluctuations the plants (may have) produced.
Do I believe we can commune with plants? Absolutely. Are most of them terrified of us? Why not?
When I go into a clear cut area up in the hills here I start to feel awful. I know I can see the devastation but I also believe I can feel it. This Xmas I didn't have a Xmas tree (I usually go find one growing too close to a road and ask if I could cut it down and celebrate it). We go to a farm to buy our vegies and they sell trees. I kept looking at the unchosen trees sadly (after Xmas). I had promised to "do the flowers" for a baby shower. I went back and got a little pine and put it into the display. So that its demise (out of many) would be that of being celebrated for its beauty. I think the Xmas tree clan is in touch with each other and "know" how they are being perceived. IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 14:01:19 GMT -6
Thanks Plutronus. In my man-cave I have an assortment of musical equipment which makes up my studio. Some of the equipment I use is a Marshall amplifier, a Behringer LX210 Vampire 2 -12"s w/125 pre-selects(m)channels w/ MIDI and multi effects amplifier, P.A. system, zoom 606 multi-effects pedal w/ over 130 (m) pre-select channels, 2 yamaha keyboards, pioneer speakers, Kenwood surround system, and several other musical instruments and gadgets. Let's just say there's enough there to tick the neighborhood off if I ever decided to hook one of my guitars or whatnot and combine it all. ;D As 'simple' as their setup is I was suspecting that bottom gadget on the 'stack' ;D was a stereo amp with an equalizer. I also suspected that what we were hearing was a pre-select tone as you mentioned. If it would have been another species of plant it most likely would sound the same because of this designed setup. The rhythm however with each "pulse" that is sent out, if it is genuinely registering, makes this very interesting regardless. What you were saying helped confirm what I was suspecting if I have this right. I'm not an expert but I kind of get what's happening here,,,I think. I agree about those gator clips, ouch. The music sounds too "perfect" and "man-made" to mine ears. I think this is an elaborate game. Perhaps the plant IS generating a magnetic field- but I don't think It will be making perfect chords with a perfect bassline...
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Post by plutronus on Jan 7, 2013 19:49:03 GMT -6
And I'll jump in,
as this was my find in Cyberspace.
I also posted a Mythbusters in which the crew alternated between yelling nasty things at green bean plants, saying nice things (and they had the comments on the feedback loop but they also stuck their heads into the individual greenhouses and yelled, etc.) And played classical music and played death metal music for some. The control got no contact. All were watered the same etc.
Talk about an uncontrolled experiment. The various people did both the friendly and hostile messages - so psychically I'm assuming that message was ambivilent at best. The music that produced the best results (growing) was the death metal.
I could imagine plants attempting to "read" opposite messages from the same person and being plant curious/wary. As for the heavy metal -
my friend who is gardener said she read a study in which plants that experience a breeze that moves their branches grow sturdier.
This makes sense as an outside plant needs to stand up to weather. So when she grows plants under lights in the early spring (that later will go outside), she runs her hands LIGHTLY over the leaves and stems - simulating wind.
She has a fantastic fertile garden that they basically live off most of the year.
Heavy metal music would produce the most base notes and rumblings. Sorta like wind. Just thinking...
As for the singing plants - they did say they had a synthesizer and no doubt it was programming play sappy tinking new age sounds with the electrical fluctuations the plants (may have) produced.
Do I believe we can commune with plants? Absolutely. Are most of them terrified of us? Why not?
When I go into a clear cut area up in the hills here I start to feel awful. I know I can see the devastation but I also believe I can feel it. This Xmas I didn't have a Xmas tree (I usually go find one growing too close to a road and ask if I could cut it down and celebrate it). We go to a farm to buy our vegies and they sell trees. I kept looking at the unchosen trees sadly (after Xmas). I had promised to "do the flowers" for a baby shower. I went back and got a little pine and put it into the display. So that its demise (out of many) would be that of being celebrated for its beauty. I think the Xmas tree clan is in touch with each other and "know" how they are being perceived. IMO. Hi Paulette,
>as this was my find in Cyberspace.
Good find.
>messages from the same person and being plant curious/wary. As for the heavy metal
Plants don't respond to sound. They respond to the mental imagery that Humans 'dream' while speaking to them or the imagery Humans subconsciously 'see' while listening to music. In other words, the Human provides the psychic link to the sounds. Plants don't have auditory channel(s), or ears, Humans do. We are the 'sensor-interface' for plants.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 7, 2013 20:32:28 GMT -6
In the video about the experiment that the Mythbuster's people did the plants that were exposed to the music grew much bigger and more lush than any of the other plants in the experiment. There weren't any people present...they just played an endless loop recording for several weeks. Of course the sample of plants that they studied was kind of small and could have been affected by other factors. It wasn't exactly the most scientific of experiments either since they forgot to water the poor things for an entire week and almost killed them.
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Post by CitizenK on Jan 7, 2013 21:32:27 GMT -6
I watched an entire program about this on Nova I think...a man grew larger yields of grapes and bigger fruit by providing classical music on loud speakers in his orchard. (he grows grapes for wines) The scientific study behind it says that the vibrations are what encourage the plants to do so well. They respond to the vibration much like they do to water and sun, it makes them thrive. I love it, and think it's fantastic that we are discovering a deeper level to so many things!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 1:00:34 GMT -6
I suspect that this 'experiment' had lots of human help but you can 'feel' the devastation of forestry if you walk through the aftermath..you can feel the death of nature...like some hopeless wash of despair. If you WANT to feel it..to sense it. I know many here who would feel it. For the most part..people don't have time for it..or don't have that dimension of sense built into themselves. Every darn thing around us is full of life..we just don't let it intrude into ours.
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Post by CitizenK on Jan 8, 2013 14:15:37 GMT -6
That's true Jo, and I can't really understand 'why' people wouldn't want to feel all these things...in my opinion it makes life more rich and complete than just a humdrum mundane lifestyle does. :/ I am sorry that so many people miss out on the essence in everything around them. I think there'd be much less depression if they would tap into what else is out there everywhere. As for this particular experiment, sure humans helped it. The odds of probability alone say that if one observes the outcome they will effect it as well. So even if they didn't intend to change the results, they did. The grape farmer, his influence was from a distance. A hope that it would encourage growth and larger yields...which it did. ( I could argue that this is just more proof in the puddin that we are co creators lol , but I won't...for now.)
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Post by skywalker on Jan 8, 2013 19:18:57 GMT -6
I have a question. If plants are telepathic and if we can use our thoughts and/or feelings to help them grow is there anything hat we can learn from them? Can they teach us anything or is their growth cycle so slow that we would never be able to learn anything from them? Most people have the attention span of a gnat.
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Post by CitizenK on Jan 8, 2013 22:43:31 GMT -6
I don't think plants are telepathic, not with us anyway. WE affect them because WE are co creators. (in a literal sense of the word as well as having a deeper meaning, we imagine something, then invent it, then it gets mass produced generally) Your influence or willfullness to have a certain outcome to anything, whether organic in nature or not, IS going to effect the outcome of said interest. However, many people have learned from observing plants. Take Greggor Mendel for example, he spent much time studying plants behaviors and was one of the 1st of his kind to create prominent hybrids of plants. He had to figure out which plants (peas were his 1st subject) he could mix together to get the perfect species , in this case a sweet but strong pea. While it took him many tries, he was eventually successful in many endeavors due to this one break through in science. SO in a sense, he listened to his subjects and learned from them. So I guess to answer your question Sky, yes we can learn from them and no their life cycle has no bearing on whether or not we are able to learn...it's all in that attention span being more than that of a gnat
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Post by plutronus on Jan 10, 2013 3:22:16 GMT -6
Hi All,
In 1967, I was a teenager, and in those days, living at home, I screwed-around with everything I could get my hands on, --gadgets, telescopes, high-voltage generators (from scavenged RADAR sets), junk TVs, experiments, and amongst that stuff I...read and employed Cleve Backster's "Plant Parapsychology" 6 transistor Galvanic-Skin-Resistance (GSR) circuit he published in "Popular Electronics" for the purpose of measuring plant Primary-Perception (telepathy), and that I fabricated (using guided missile and ARCAT Drone parts I scavenged) I determined that plants do infact respond to mental imagery.
And in my plant parapsychology experiments, something quite anomalous transpired and not once or twice or intermittent, but everytime. It was reliable and consistent, and it did it distally...isolated, with no obvious connection between myself and the plants. I tried all sorts of things such as, driving my motorcycle two miles distance, and then inducing the plant triggers, while noting the time on my (synchronized to the chart-recorder time) watch. The effects of mental triggersa were logged using time-stamped instrumentation that I duplicated from an article detailing the phenomenon that I was both inducing and seeing. And I had hard data recordings (shaded-pole clock-motor driven, time-tick imprinted paper chart recorder) instead of relying on subjective feelings.
Seems everyone who is actually doing studies, has a different name for the effects of telepathy, call it what you may, be it "Primary-Perception", "Autonomous-Cognition", "Empathy", "Noosphere", or "telepathy"; Tahmahtoe, tehmayto, its all the same thing. If something is alive, its conscious. Some Humans may not recognize that a thing is conscious, but if it is alive it is conscious, and its telepathic too and its got nothing what so ever to do with us. Telepathy is a function of consciousness. How many different ways must one see its handiwork before folks believe it?
If you don't believe that plants are telepathic, try doing the Cleve Backster 'Plant-Parapsychology' experiments yourself. It works. I can tell you how to do it too, and on the cheap. Radio-Shack used to sell (probably still does?) a $15 biorythm gadget, it runs on a 9Vdc smoke-detector battery. If you can't find one at RadioShack, look around, Craigs List, eBay, PennySaver, NewImage, they are out there. Instead of hooking the two skin-clips to yourself (althought that is also fun, and its useful to learn how to turn off the stress by mentally stopping the electronic squeal that emits from the gadget's speaker). Place the leads on a healthy broad-leaf plant that resides in your domicile. In other words, use a plant that you take care of, instead of using a plant that's a 'stranger'. It'll work with stranger-plants too, but you'll be less likely to be as cruel to a plant that you yourself take care of, capece?
After hooking up the sensor-probe wires, and making sure that nothing will move the wires..disturb the circuit resistance, you should hear a sqeal or a tone from the biorythm gadget's speaker. Adjust the gadget's tone down until it just 'nulls', or just stops making the squeal. Then move back a few feet, and visualize various thoughts about the plant, see yourself going on a vacation, and not watering it, or giving i a plant treat, or envision (nasty thing to do), cutting its leaves off or burning them. In each of the cases, if you have the plant properly wired and your 'envisioning' is clear enough, (dreaming awake) the biorythm gadget will squeal as the plants emotional state responds.
I've replicated this experiment a number of times for folks over the years. One was a physicist who funded my luminous-orb research by donating server space for my website, laptops, and various other things over the years. He was a bit sketical about it, frankly speaking. In his case, he used a sensitive digital Voltmeter instead of using the RadioShack biorythm gadget. He set the meter on the megOhm scale and he borrowed a couple of electrocardiograph clips from his doctor's office for the leaf contacts. He was able to induce, synchronized meter readings simply by thinking thoughts at his office plants that were attached to the digital-Volt-meter.
And for those in our community who might like to fabricate a good quality GSR instrument for conducting plant primary-perception 'telepathy' experiments themselves, here's an article and circuit details (should cost around $30 to fabricate) which was designed by the famous anomally scientist George Lawrence (he also was an early UFO object detection investigator/experimenter):
www.swtpc.com/mholley/PopularElectronics/Jun1971/PE_Jun_1971_pg63.jpg
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www.swtpc.com/mholley/PopularElectronics/Jun1971/PE_Jun_1971_pg93.jpg
And....
Here's a few references regarding similar studies with plants, including a reference to Dr. Bose (he's the E. Indian scientist who first experimented with plant growth using music stimulus and designed a mechanical instrument to measure the resultant growth in the late 1800s) :
"Electrophysiological Methods in Biological Research", J. Bures. Academic Press, New York, 1967.
"Plant Response as a Means of Physiological Investigations", J. C. Bose, Longmans, Green & Co., London, 1924
"The Nervous Mechanism of Plants", J.C. Bose, Longmans, Green & Co., London, 1926
"Build a Psych-Analyzer", R.E. Devine, Popular Electronics, Feb, 1969
"Electric Correlation between Living Cells in Cortex and Wood the Douglass Fir", E.J. Lund, Plant Physiology, 2nd Ed, 6:631-652, 1931
"Evidence of a Primary Perception in Plant Life", C. Backster, International Journal of Parapsychology, 10:4, Winter 1968
"Electronics and the Living Plant", L. G. Lawrence, Electronics World, Oct, 1969
"Experimental Electro-Culture", L. G. Lawrence, Popular Electronics, Feb 1971
"Magnetotropism: A New Plant Growth Response", L. J. Audus, Nature, Jan 16, 160
"Plants Are Only Human", W. McGraw, Argosy, June 1969
"Electricity in Plants", B.I.H. Scott, Scientific American, Oct 1962
plutronus
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