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Post by auntym on Jan 31, 2013 12:59:58 GMT -6
www.livescience.com/26697-are-ghosts-real.html Are Ghosts Real? Science Says No-o-o-oBenjamin Radford, LiveScience Contributor Date: 29 January 2013 If you believe in ghosts, you're not alone: A 2005 Gallup poll found that 37 percent of Americans believe in haunted houses, and about one-third believe in ghosts. Tens of thousands of people around the world actively search for ghosts as a hobby. Researcher Sharon Hill of the Doubtful Newsblog counted about 2,000 active amateur ghost-hunting groups in America. [Pin It] Carol Anne: Hello? What do you look like? Talk louder, I can't hear you! Poltergeist helped define a paranormal culture in the United States. Ghosts have been a popular subject for millennia, appearing in countless stories, from "Macbeth" to the Bible, and even spawning their own folklore genre: ghost stories. Ghosts are perhaps the most common paranormal belief in the world. Part of the reason is that belief in ghosts is part of a larger web of related paranormal beliefs, including near-death experience, life after death, and spirit communication. The idea that the dead remain with us in spirit is an ancient one, and one that offers many people comfort; who doesn't want to believe that our beloved but deceased family members aren't looking out for us, or with us in our times of need? Most people believe in ghosts because of personal experience; they have seen or sensed some unexplained presence. The science and logic of ghosts Personal experience is one thing, but scientific evidence is another matter. Part of the difficulty in investigating ghosts is that there is not one universally agreed-upon definition of what a ghost is. Some believe that they are spirits of the dead who for whatever reason get "lost" on their way to The Other Side; others claim that ghosts are instead telepathic entities projected into the world from our minds. Still others create their own special categories for different types of ghosts, such as poltergeists, residual hauntings, intelligent spirits and shadow people. Of course, it's all made up, like speculating on the different races of fairies or dragons: there are as many types of ghosts as you want there to be. [Pin It] Carol Anne: Hello? What do you look like? Talk louder, I can't hear you! Poltergeist helped define a paranormal culture in the United States. There are many contradictions inherent in ideas about ghosts. For example, are ghosts material or not? Either they can move through solid objects without disturbing them, or they can slam doors shut and throw objects across the room. Logically and physically, it's one or the other. If ghosts are human souls, why do they appear clothed and with (presumably soulless) inanimate objects like hats, canes, and dresses — not to mention the many reports of ghost trains, cars and carriages? CONTINUE READING: www.livescience.com/26697-are-ghosts-real.html
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Post by casper on Feb 1, 2013 22:11:43 GMT -6
If scientists think they are so smart then why haven't they proven that ghosts are real? All they do is sit around criticizing everybody else who is looking for ghosts. They are not going to find any evidence if they don't look.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2013 2:03:45 GMT -6
When I cleaned the bathroom two days ago I closed the shower curtain. I always would be telling dad to close the curtain when he was done in the shower so it wouldn't grow mold and mildew on it. I washed the shower curtain in the washing machine and hung it back up and closed it. I left the bathroom to get something and came back into the bathroom about five seconds later.
The shower curtain was pulled open... nobody had been in there since I had left it...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2013 10:30:05 GMT -6
Science has come a long way in the past few hundred years but it still has many unanswered questions and so much to be discovered.
Casper:
Welcome back Casper ! Some can't handle the truth or accept the possibility. Others can't mention it. Some do look, but it depends on what type of research is being done, and who is funding them.
It also comes down to beliefs. It's the same with science and ufo's /aliens. I've noticed a diversity among the community. One side is for the possibility, another is strongly against it, and others caught in the middle who do not know. Things happen to them just as much as they happen to the average Joe,,, many just wont discuss it and the ones that do stay behind the scene because of ridicule.
Lorelei :
Right now you seem uncertain if this was your Dad but it sounds like you suspect it and leaving the option open is healthy. There may come a time when you will know without any doubt or it will seem anyway.
If the visit had not happened from the gray entities to me I could say undoubtedly that it was my dad who came back for a visit but since the others came I just don't know who it was at this point. I suspect both but what are the odds ? What am I to think now ? When the bead came out of thin air from the recliner and hit the carpet and then popped back up and landed on my chest and the recliner rocked at two separate times during the incident that seemed to be my dad and his humor. That's what I suspected.
I would go by what you suspect and follow your gut feeling. I don't want to think it was the entities and never suspected such until the visit happened from the grays years later.
Some may not agree or might think what I'm saying is wrong or that I might be giving you false hope or bad advice. I wouldn't say this unless it happened to me also. We have both had things happen that cannot be explained by modern science. We are not alone. There are many who are experiencing what we are from either aliens or spirits, or a combination of both.
With that brings a sense of knowing but yet it still leaves a person with many uncertainties. Imo in this situation at least, I suspect this may be your Dad this time but most of all follow your heart and what your mind tells you. I know it's difficult.
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Post by casper on Feb 4, 2013 21:07:30 GMT -6
That sounds like it might be Lorelei's dad to me. Maybe he is coming back to check up on his little girl.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 0:47:22 GMT -6
Who knows Cliff. Maybe it was your dad... ~shrug~ It's hard to distinguish the paranormal things from other paranormal things sometimes though... Yes Casper. He took my coffee mug out of the cabinet and set it on the counter next to the coffee pot once too...
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Post by lois on Feb 5, 2013 21:56:42 GMT -6
I'm not sure what a ghost represents . I believe they exist. But what are they? A dead person"s soul? I do not think that be the case necessarily ..Some people see a ghost reenacting his life. I tend to think that is a time slip. Something we slip into, instead of them coming back here.. Like seeing that yellow car on the highway vanish.....
Science may have a hard time with this one.. for years to come. Has anyone ever sit down with a ghost and had a long chat? ;D
Where they explain it all to you? Why does many appearances happen in graveyards? That still does not mean it is ones soul..
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Post by skywalker on Feb 5, 2013 22:19:22 GMT -6
There are a lot of things that a ghost could be. Some might be people's spirits while others could be something entirely different. I think it is kind of like UFOs...we need to take each case one at a time because they all have different explanations.
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Post by lois on Feb 5, 2013 22:19:22 GMT -6
I did almost witness some thing strange . I have never told it here. Not my experience but my neighbors. In the 70s this three story home on the corner next to us had four young girls living in it. It was a landmark and much history but the city decided to tear it down.. The girls had a few months to get reinstated at another location. They began hearing banging on the third floor which they never used. Thuds in the night. One told me there was scrapping on the walls but nothing could be seen. Weeks went by and one night one of the girls walked to the gas station on the corner two doors down. The other girls had ask her to pick up a few things for them. When she got to the stations she found out that they were out of a product one of her friends ask her to get I believe it was a mars candy bar. So she called her and her friend told her to get some other kind of bar.. also she wanted some type of pop. The details I have forgotten. When the girl returned to the house the others were amazed at what she had brought home . A lot of the items they had never ask for.. She told them you just told me to get all this stuff on the phone. The other girls just thought she had lost here mind. They told her this phone rang but the other end was dead so we hung up. We did not speak to you on the phone. Who was it? A couple of weeks later they decided to take a photo of them selves out in front of this old mansion. I believe it was another neighbor who took the photo of them. Soon after they had moved . This story had appeared in our newspaper with the girls photo and it showed a man standing on the right end of the line of girls standing together. He was definitely not from our time. His clothing was from the distant pass, he was wearing a tall hat. Not as tall as Abe's but tall and appeared light in color. The paper did research into this home and found the man that built it. One of the same which was in this photo .. Even the same dress. They torn the house down shortly after. This man built the home around 1840.. They say when he got the news of tearing down his home he started the banging and making all those sounds. But why the call ? How did he change his voice to sound like those girls. It was one ghost story I never forgot. A dairy queen was built on this spot. Still stands today. but is used for a cafe now..Does the dead know?
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Post by CitizenK on Feb 5, 2013 23:24:27 GMT -6
I think the typical sighting of a ghost is just that Lois, a time slip sortof deal. Or rather a broken record playing over and over. In my opinion this happens when something of great significance takes place in their life. And not even necessarily at the moment of death just something that is huge in their subconscious that will remain here. Trapped in a time wrap that sometimes we see for whatever reason. Other times like when electric interferences happen or objects move, now that I believe is energy at work. What kind of energy? Well sometimes it is soul energy. It's from a person who was once flesh and blood and for whatever reason is still here. I personally agree with the Native Americans way in burning the deceased AND their belongings to keep them from having a reason to still be here. It is a total release of the soul. Other times the objects moving or the electrical interferences could be caused from a living entity, a person. I believe in the power of the mind , as you all well know, and I think we can sometimes scare ourselves by making things happen that we really don't 'want' to happen but are afraid will happen or are thinking about the what ifs, etc. So we indirectly cause stuff to occur without our knowing that it was us that did it. Like with a Ouija board or a pendulum, we are moving it just not the way people suspect, but with our minds. Same can occur with any object or electric thing that may be near us... And yes, science will have a hard time with these things for awhile to come yet. They just aren't ready to deal with these subjects as of yet. Good topic.
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Post by DEADnGONE on Sept 11, 2013 22:22:09 GMT -6
Of course they are, based on my interactions with them over time and place. Seems I just have a nack that attracts(?) some types. My g.mother said I had it before she died but in the area around her home, few visited, as g.mother said she was a "witch", could cure or curse.How dellusional she was is anyone guess but she believed it, her power,anyway. Supposedly, "tall tale time", some folks in the area have claimed to have seen her walking the road, and at times simply vanishing when an auto. came by. I don't judge the source, unless he/she has a hx. of emotional disorders, substance anthing that might scrw with what your eyes see, what your brain does with it and finally when it reaches a level of conscious recognitions.
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Post by lois on Sept 11, 2013 22:54:15 GMT -6
Of course they are, based on my interactions with them over time and place. Seems I just have a nack that attracts(?) some types. My g.mother said I had it before she died but in the area around her home, few visited, as g.mother said she was a "witch", could cure or curse.How dellusional she was is anyone guess but she believed it, her power,anyway. Supposedly, "tall tale time", some folks in the area have claimed to have seen her walking the road, and at times simply vanishing when an auto. came by. I don't judge the source, unless he/she has a hx. of emotional disorders, substance anthing that might scrw with what your eyes see, what your brain does with it and finally when it reaches a level of conscious recognitions. Sorry deadngone but are you speaking of your grandmother as the ghost herself? I have not seen ghost but my great grandmother called on spirits of the dead and they appeared in front of her body and all. Many Family members witnessed it happening but that was before I was born.
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Post by bewildered on Sept 12, 2013 1:01:23 GMT -6
I rarely encounter a popular media article that accurately portrays science, scientists, and the tremendous amount of work that goes on beyond the notice of the average American. That's probably one reason why anti-scientific sentiment is so prevalent in our popular culture. If you misunderstand what science is and what scientists do, then feelings of ill will are invariably bound to surface. First and foremost, science has absolutely nothing to say about something that cannot be (or has not been) observed and measured. In other words, my friends, "no" and "never" are not acceptable scientific positions. Language and terminology are crucial in scientific pursuit. I'll state this so there is no room for confusion: science has no business commenting on faith, and vice-versa. Science is a means by which we observe and acquire knowledge in this universe that we find ourselves existing in. Faith, on the other hand, is suitable for guiding the life we lead in this universe. As you can plainly see from my (hopefully) simple illustration, conflict never needs to occur between the two. It only arises because we don't adequately understand either. Understandable, but we have been robbed as a culture by the incessant war between fundamentalists of both camps...fundamentalist scientists rant about faith, and fundamentalists of the religious variety rail against science. Needless. How can anyone possibly know for certain that ghosts don't exist? In order for a scientist to reach that conclusion, they must possess absolute knowledge, which is itself an absurdity. A scientist can only report the results of their finite research...and believe me when I say that there really are no such things as "facts" in science...only probabilities. As a scientist, I can only convey that in x number of controlled experiments, I observed <this or that>. The evidence seems to suggest a relationship or lack of relationship between <this> and <that>. The media and reporters are the ones who twist that into "proof" or absolute statements. A scientist worth their salt knows better than to make absolute statements. Ah, but it's far from being over! My research must then be replicated over and over again, with other scientists doing their best to falsify my findings. As a matter of fact, as the original researcher, I tried my best to falsify my own hypothesis! That's what scientists do: they attempt to prove themselves wrong at every turn. That is how consistently observable phenomena emerges into "theoryhood." A scientific theory has underwent a grueling gauntlet of falsification before it is ever considered to be the genuine article by peers. That is the essence of peer-review. I respect the anecdotal experiences of people. Unfortunately there is no way to subject such experiences to observation, verification and scientific analysis, but why should that matter to any of us on a personal level? Science serves us well in helping us to explore this existence...it should never fill the role of personal validation. I'm a scientist, and it doesn't do that for me. As an afterthought, the next time you read about the "Big Bang" or the Theory of Evolution, keep this in mind: they are theories. While the latter has withstood the most demanding scrutiny and has retained its validity, it's still nevertheless a theory. Despite the seemingly overwhelming evidence that supports the veracity of natural selection and the evolution of organisms over time, you just can't state that evolution is a fact. Evidence seems to support the assertions of the Big Bang, but unlike Evolution, it is not so easily falsifiable. Because of this, it is not widely accepted in the scientific community. There are questions that science just can't answer, and accepting that is in my view a healthy and positive thing.
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Post by DEADnGONE on Dec 25, 2013 19:27:04 GMT -6
Wonder what "ghosts" think about "scientists". Now that's a thought to ponder over, though I wonder if a "ghost" has ever had the question put to "it".
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Post by casper on Dec 31, 2013 22:45:15 GMT -6
Wonder what "ghosts" think about "scientists". Now that's a thought to ponder over, though I wonder if a "ghost" has ever had the question put to "it". Ghosts probably think that scientists don't exist.
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Post by BLACK DOG on Jun 29, 2017 22:21:01 GMT -6
Can't believe any "scientist" actually state their beliefs for "ghosts" in public, privately, now that may be another matter.
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Post by auntym on Jun 30, 2017 13:35:33 GMT -6
Can't believe any "scientist" actually state their beliefs for "ghosts" in public, privately, now that may be another matter. it's nice to see you again blackdog...
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Post by BLACK DOG on Jun 30, 2017 15:19:45 GMT -6
As for g.mother, she had the ability, if that is what one might call it, "bi-location", I think, but after she died, I assume what I saw of her, which was often rarely, didn't try to frighten anyone, just seemed to "walk" among family members, often had a real attractions to babies, small children, as she did in real-life when in a good mood, which was rare, Actually, seems that 'passin over', might have improved her disposition .
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Post by paulette on Jul 1, 2017 10:08:22 GMT -6
I have had experiences that fit with the concept of "ghosts" although I prefer visitations - as they were almost all people I had cared for that died. Some people who died DID NOT visit me. Some people did - in unexpected ways. I never had what I thought would happen happen - but instead something and more believable and powerful for all that.
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