A VISIT TO THE SITE OF THE TUNGUSKA EXPLOSION

[auntym]

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Tunguska mystery still unsolved[/color]

MYSTERIOUS PLACES - The events in the Tunguska region in Siberia in 1908 are so extraordinary that people are still trying to solve its mystery today. So far, no definite explanation has been found.



It happened early in the morning of June 30th, 1908, in the river basin of Podkamennaya Tunguska.
This location is 64 km north of the village of Vanavara, in the region of Krasnoyarsk (Krasnoyarskiy Kray), Russia. According to eye witnesses, a large, strange object appeared in the sky. It looked elongated, like a piece of pipe or wood. Its approach ended in a huge bang, causing earthquakes, landslides and other damage over an area of many kilometers. Trees were destroyed over some 2000 square kilometers around the Tunguzka site. In fact, the waves of the explosion rippled around the Earth several times. The impact had a force of 12,5 to 40 megatons. That is equivalent to only the strongest nuclear bombs existing today and many times stronger than the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki during the Second World War.

Nobody did any research into the Tunguzka event for the first 20 years. The region was too remote, and the land was soon in too much turmoil (First World War, Russian Revolution) to care. This lack of attention immediately after the Tunguska event is a problem in itself, because evidence has since been covered, spoiled or disappeared. Later however, several research teams have made an effort to explain the Tunguzka mystery. In 1937, the first aerial photographs were made. In the 1960s, a large-scale investigation was launched into the theory that an alien ship had landed at or near the Tunguzka site.

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[Deleted]

Hmmm... interesting.

This article was obviously written by a European and translated into English, because instead of 12.5 it prints 12,5. Germans use commas instead of decimal points as do many other Europeans...

Jo, I don't want to make you mad but a thought just popped into my head.

If these ETs were so concerned about us testing and using nuclear weapons because, according to your theory, it may deteriorate the fabric of space-time, then why are they flying around in contraptions which crash and create much more havoc than Hiroshima?

[Deleted]

Not making me mad Lorlei..no one has to agree with anything I toss out there..they're just theories and ideas of my own and I sure admit they are not any kind of fact. I don't know that any of them have crashed and caused fall out. I know what people suggest caused these things. To me there's a world of difference. All we have is ideas and no facts. Theoretical physics suggest string theory and the idea of multiple dimensions and universes (have to admit I stole the idea from that) but it does seem feasible (to me) that things we see out of the ordinary could be glimpses into other dimensions. Oddly enough Halloween is supposed to be the night when the fabric between worlds is thinnest and the dead can enter our world.
Why they might crash..accidents happen or maybe that happening is what showed them that there could be effects on their own worlds from something happening on ours ~shrug~ I dunno

[skywalker]

Supposedly the thing that crashed at Tunguska was a giant bolide or meteor that exploded before impact. If that's true it was a big one.

[Deleted]

If it was big, crashed and went boom..it must be a UFO to someone ;D

[skywalker]

Imagine if something like that were to happen today, maybe even over a populated area. The amount of devastation would be huge!!

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oh heck ya.

[paulette]

What's wrong with the anti-matter theory? That the meteorite was anti-matter or maybe the drive unit in the mother ship was. I mean, we are trying to make anti-matter HERE on earth. Remember the red stuff in the last Startrek movie. Ate through planets....(I often gather my scientific citations from sci-fi movies LOL)

[skywalker]

There's nothing wrong with the anti-matter theory, Paulette. Nobody knows for sure what the thing was or why it exploded, they just know that it made a big BOOOOM and flattened gazillions of trees. It didn't happen too long ago neither, which means that it could happen again at any time. Sooner or later a big meteor or asteroid is going to plow into this planet...it's just a matter of time. The world was lucky that the Tunguska incident happened in a very isolated area but I bet there were still people who died as a result of it. Nobody will ever know how many. It would be a lot worse if it happened today.

[auntym]

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The Tunguska Event

Largest Impact Event over Land in Earth's Recent History


The Tunguska event, or Tunguska blast or Tunguska explosion, was an enormously powerful explosion that occurred near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in what is now Krasnoyarsk Krai, Russia, on June 30, 1908.

The explosion is believed to have been caused by the air burst of a large meteoroid or comet fragment at an altitude of 5–10 kilometres (3–6 miles) above the Earth's surface.

At around 7:17 a.m. local time, Tungus natives and Russian settlers in the hills northwest of Lake Baikal observed a column of bluish light, nearly as bright as the Sun, moving across the sky. About 10 minutes later, there was a flash and a sound similar to artillery fire.

Eyewitnesses closer to the explosion reported the sound source moving east to north. The sounds were accompanied by a shock wave that knocked people off their feet and broke windows hundreds of kilometres away.

The majority of witnesses reported only the sounds and the tremors, and not the sighting of the explosion.

Eyewitness accounts differ as to the sequence of events and their overall duration. The explosion registered on seismic stations across Eurasia.

In some places the shock wave would have been equivalent to an earthquake of 5.0 on the Richter scale. It also produced fluctuations in atmospheric pressure strong enough to be detected in Great Britain.

Over the next few days, night skies in Asia and Europe were aglow; it has been theorized that this was due to light passing through high-altitude ice particles formed at extremely cold temperatures, a phenomenon that occurred when the Space Shuttle re-entered the Earth's atmosphere.

In the United States, the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory and the Mount Wilson Observatory observed a decrease in atmospheric transparency that lasted for several months, from suspended dust.

Different studies have yielded varying estimates of the object's size, with general agreement that it was a few tens of metres across. The number of scholarly publications on the problem of the Tunguska explosion since 1908 may be estimated at about 1,000 (mainly in Russian).

Many scientists have participated in Tunguska studies, the best-known of them being Leonid Kulik, Yevgeny Krinov, Kirill Florensky, Nikolai Vladimirovic Vasily, and Wilhelm Fast. Various explanations have been discussed on what may have caused such an event. These explanations range from comets, asteroids, crashed UFOs, black holes, antimatter and a meteoroid airburst.

The leading scientific explanation for the explosion is the airburst of a meteoroid 6–10 kilometres (4–6 miles) above Earth's surface. Meteoroids enter Earth's atmosphere from outer space every day, usually travelling at a speed of more than 10 kilometres per second (6 miles/sec or 21,600 mph).

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George Carey uncovers the mystery behind the massive explosion that shook Tunguska, Siberia in 1908 which has been variously attributed to a meteorite and a crashed UFO.

Here's some blurb I found [amongst others] on the Channel 4 feedback page which I thought was an interesting summary of the documentary's approach.

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"I don't think the documentary was as bad as people are making out. I can however see that George Carey's style clashed a bit with a 'serious' take on the topic - not that he made light of it, more that he seemed to mistake keeping a cynical distance for some kind of objective reporting.

What was great was the coverage of the 'space ship' and extra-terrestrial theories when the crew went to see the museum academic. Despite what the majority would have you believe - some sort of ET involvement is actually supported by a major researcher for the Russian govt - Valery Uvarov who claims to have found an ET created defence system in the region against celestial bodies. Even when the museum professor showed Carey a lot of evidence and ended with footage of a UFO over the Tunguska area, he still refused to engage with this idea and preferred to comment on how strange it felt to be being told about this with the local Russian official being present. I found this a problematic approach - Tunguska is a weird, contradictory event and thus all ideas have to be valid for consideration.

A lot more time was spent on the meteor theories and I liked the way it was pointed out that each time scientists found themselves on the way to 'proof' something happened to stop their research dead. The problems others have with Carey focusing more on the weird people in the region than "the science" - i don't see as a major issue - both for the reason above and because this wasn't billed as a formal science documentary. The people he met mirrored the 1908 event in many ways.

It should be noted there is another theory that Carey didn't locate. It involved the finding of Tibetan scripts by a British explorer [who did exist] and subsequent trip to the remote region with this information by a European group who were said to have set off a nuclear event with the scroll information. This was for a pole-shift. If you want more details read my article in the Exopolitics Journal."

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They figure it was a meteor that took out the dinosaurs and caused an entire ice age..this would be one of the smaller ones I suppose. We have created anti matter it's containment that is the problem..it has to be isolated in a magnetic field called a trap to keep it from coming in contact with matter. Some anti-matter exists on Earth, but only in high-energy accelerators, and then for hardly an instant. If you could produce a gram of anti matter you could run a light bulb for 100,000 years. It would take millions of years to produce enough to make a weapon of it at our current technology.

We've observed antimatter being created in thunderstorms(previously) and we've created antimatter at CERN.(previously) and (previously) The first experiments, announced last November, were able to trap antimatter for about 1/10th of a second; not long enough to study and analyze it properly. Now the Alpha experiment at CERN has announced that they have successfully trapped anti-hydrogen for 1000 seconds.

Another take on the Tunguska event.
hubpages.com/hub/Tunguska-Anti-matter

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jo wrote:[ We have created anti matter it's containment that is the problem..it has to be isolated in a magnetic field called a trap to keep it from coming in contact with matter. Some anti-matter exists on Earth, but only in high-energy accelerators, and then for hardly an instant. If you could produce a gram of anti matter you could run a light bulb for 100,000 years. It would take millions of years to produce enough to make a weapon of it at our current technology.

We've observed antimatter being created in thunderstorms(previously) and we've created antimatter at CERN.(previously) and (previously) The first experiments, announced last November, were able to trap antimatter for about 1/10th of a second; not long enough to study and analyze it properly. Now the Alpha experiment at CERN has announced that they have successfully trapped anti-hydrogen for 1000 seconds.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Recently a satellite called PAMELA-(A Payload for Antimatter Matter Exploration and Light - Nuclei Astrophysics) detected antiprotons in the van allen radiation belt above earth adding fuel to the antimatter theory. The effects of the radiation belts act much like CERN does here on earth and NASA speculates that with future technology they may be able to refuel above earth and other planets where these particles exist once they figure out how to use antimatter propulsion. The technology could become highly useful in the near future with not only space exploration but medical and other scientific uses also. As for the tunguska explosion its my opinion that it was either a meteor or comet, but a mothership isnt out of the question as to the realm of possibilities.

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Absolutely Cliff..I read about the Van Allen discovery..
If some race is using anti matter as a propulsion system, they have to be much more evolved than we are to create and harness it..not a very stable commodity I'd be more inclined to think of magnetic fields or my own favorite theory of some type of miniature particle accelerator. I read a science fiction book once about solar sails. There's sooooo much yet to learn..just think what we could know tomorrow

[blackshuck]

Based on all I have read, I'll go with either a comet or a "spacecraft craft" explosion causing the damage.

[DEADnGONE]

Hummm..thought they had concluded that it the explosion of a comet, not an impact but some distance above the ground, in thousands of feet but then I might be wrong. maybe an exploding UFO, or two UFO running into each other, wonder who was in charge of the darn things. Intelligent life?

[plutronus]

Oct 25, 2012 15:53:29 GMT -6 DEADnGONE said:

Hummm..thought they had concluded that it the explosion of a comet, not an impact but some distance above the ground, in thousands of feet but then I might be wrong. maybe an exploding UFO, or two UFO running into each other, wonder who was in charge of the darn things. Intelligent life?

The "comet" is speculated to have been a bolide; the remnants of the 'meteor' however, doesn't really support that theory due to the content of the dust found. while the blast pattern which created a very large 'diameter' area, is butterfly shaped. Bolides are known to generate low frequency aural sound, something akin to a buzzing or motor-boating noise.

The Tunguska event was investigated by Dr. Andrei Skolovock, among many other scholars, studied Tunguska for over 30 years. He studied Tunguska while a professor for the Institute for Advanced Physics in Moscow, although his theory of the event is not popular. He discovered that the bolide, which many Russian scientists have speculated might have been an alien craft that exploded, as it was both heard buzzing and seen by local ground observers to make 'unnatural' right-angled direction changes. He discovered that the object very closely followed the ionospheric ducts (a matter that the other scientists had not considered or investigated), and he subsequently theorized that the brilliantly glowing object, being electrically ionized, emitted a strong electromagnetic field. He speculates that the bolide, followed the ducts similar to the movement of the windings of a shaded-pole electric motor following a moving stator field. And bolides often explode while ablating within the atmosphere which this object did. The Tunguska explosion was around 20,000 feet (~6km) altitude with the explosive power of 1000 Hiroshima atomic bombs, and it knocked down 80,000,000 trees.

For those who'd like, for a change, to read something a little more scholarly and not in WikiPedia:
www.tunguskamystery.info/Tunguska_Event.html

plutronus

[skywalker]

I swear I made a post on this thread yesterday but now it's gone. I guess I will just have to do it over again.

I read the article and thought it was very interesting, especially this part...


Beginning on June 27, 1908, strange atmospheric optical anomalies were observed in many places of Western Europe, the European part of Russia and Western Siberia. They included unprecedentedly active formation of mesospheric (silvery) clouds, bright "volcanic" twilights, extremely intense and long solar halos, etc. These anomalies were gradually increasing in intensity during three days, when in the sunny morning of June 30, 1908, a luminous space body of unknown origin flew over Central Siberia, moving generally to a north-westerly direction. The body was seen in many settlements of the region, its flight being accompanied by thunder-like sounds...

...Its shape was mostly described as roundish, spherical, or cylindrical; its color as red, yellow, or white. There was no smoky trail, so typical for large iron meteorites, but many witnesses saw behind the body vivid iridescent bands looking like a rainbow.


According to the article there were signs appearing as much as three days in advance of the object which means that whatever it was it was effecting the Earth long before it got close to the planet. That makes me suspect that it wasn't just a meteor or comet. What else could it have been though?

I think in order to determine that we would need to take a look at some of the facts.

First of all is the fact that no meteorite fragments were ever found anywhere in the Tunguska area. The meteoritic dust from the soil was no different than that from any other location of the earth. There was also no impact crater of any kind. This would lead people to believe that whatever it was never made it to the ground.

The second thing is that there did seem to be a little bit of radioactive material released from whatever it was that caused the explosion. Increased radiation readings in the area as well as radiation-related genetic deformities and mutations suggest that some type of nuclear explosion was involved.

Witnesses who saw the thing reported that it was traveling in two different directions which means it either changed course or there were more than one object involved. Witnesses also reported hearing a loud buzzing sound as the thing moved through the atmosphere. They claimed they saw several bright flashes of light as bright as the sun and heard as many as five different explosions.

If you add all of these pieces of evidence to the reports of atmospheric anomalies that were reported several days preceding the event it would suggest that what happened over there may not have been a meteor or comet at all.

I wonder if there could have been some type of atmospheric phenomenon that could have caused the explosion. It sounds like there was a lot of ionization going on as well as a buildup of electrical power. Could this somehow have been some weird freak type of electrical discharge? Maybe a gargantuan blast of ball lightning or something?

I remember plutronus mentioned a theory that Mars may once have had a huge electrical related explosion caused by a close passing of another planetary body. Could something like that have happened in Tunguska? Perhaps a very large asteroid passed close by the earth and somehow generated a huge electrical explosion?

Is there any other type of atmospheric phenomenon that could have produced such an explosion?

[auntym]

A visit to the site of the Tunguska explosion [/color]



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New Scientist features editor David Cohen narrates his journey to the site of the Tunguska explosion in Siberia.

[skywalker]

They are still arguing over what caused the blast. Now they are theorizing that it may have been an explosion of gas from the ground. I really don't see how that would happen. I know that sometimes underground volcanos can come into contact with pockets of water which then boils and produces huge amounts of steam that build up pressure until it goes Ker-Bloowie!! The craters generated are pretty good sized though and usually easily recognized. I saw several examples of them in Death Valley.

For the scientists to still be arguing over the Tunguska blast it must really have been an unusual event. I still vote for something from outer space. That's what makes the most sense.

[auntym]

www.universetoday.com/101916/possible-meteorite-fragments-from-1908-tunguska-explosion-found/

Possible Meteorite Fragments from 1908 Tunguska Explosion Found

by Nancy Atkinson
May 2, 2013


Image of potential meteorite fragments from the Tunguska event, from a paper by Andrei E. Zlobin, 'Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal.'

The 1908 explosion over the Tunguska region in Siberia has always been an enigma. While the leading theories of what caused the mid-air explosion are that an asteroid or comet shattered in an airburst event, no reliable trace of such a body has ever been found. But a newly published paper reveals three different potential meteorite fragments found in the sandbars in a body of water in the area, the Khushmo River. While the fragments have all the earmarks of being meteorites from the event – which could potentially solve the 100-year old mystery — the only oddity is that the researcher actually found the fragments 25 years ago, and only recently has published his findings.

Like the recent Chelyabinsk airburst event, the Tunguska event likely also produced a shower of fragments from the exploding parent body, scientists have thought. But no convincing evidence has ever been found from the June 30, 1908 explosion that occurred over the Tunguska region. The explosion flattened trees in a 2,000 square kilometer area. Luckily, that region was largely uninhabited, but reportedly one person was killed and there were very few people that reported the explosion. Forensic-like research has determined the blast was 1,000 times more powerful than a nuclear bomb explosion, and it registered 5 on the Richter scale.

Previous expeditions to the region turned up empty as far as finding meteorites; however one expedition in 1939 by Russian mineralogist Leonid Kulik found a sample of melted glassy rock containing bubbles, which was considered evidence of an impact event. But the sample was somehow lost and has never undergone modern analysis.

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Source: MIT Technology Review: www.technologyreview.com/view/514511/first-tunguska-meteorite-fragments-discovered/

Read Zlobin’s paper, Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river’s shoal: arxiv.org/abs/1304.8070