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Post by auntym on Jan 31, 2011 17:40:35 GMT -6
www.prlog.org/11263976-ufo-investigator-fumbles-alien-contact.html UFO Investigator Fumbles "Alien" Contact "What is wrong with this picture?" asks Robert A. Goerman, an investigative scholar of the unknown and unexplained. ""Investigators do not run. They investigate. When rapid response devolves into rapid retreat, what is the point?" FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE PRLog (Press Release) – Jan 31, 2011 – This is a tale of two cornfields.It is 1982. Our first scenario finds us in a fictional cornfield one night in Hollywood. Elliott, a lonely ten-year-old played by Henry Thomas, discovers "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial" and both boy and alien engage in mutual screaming in fear before the alien flees. Now reality sets in. It is May 6, 2010 and we are in a cornfield in Tennessee. The S.T.A.R. (Strike Team for Area Research) Team investigator for the major player in UFOlogy is on the scene. An arsenal of equipment including EMF detectors, cameras, et cetera, is at the ready. There are different colored lights in all directions. A pair of lights that are different draws near. All of the equipment goes dead. The lights sail directly overhead revealing a silent triangular something. After the UFO leaves, the equipment begins working again. Then it happens. A feeling of being watched. In seconds, this feeling escalates to one of intense fear. The terror becomes so overwhelming that the group decides to run. Then, standing in the beam of a flashlight, about six feet away, is a nonhuman entity about three and a half feet tall. The Earthlings flee. Later came the inevitable gathering of wits and return to the cornfield to find creature and feelings gone. The opportunity was lost. "What is wrong with this picture?" asks Robert A. Goerman, an investigative scholar of the unknown and unexplained who has been fortunate enough to have his research and writings featured in national magazines and serve as source material for many books and television shows. "Investigators do not run. They investigate. When rapid response devolves into rapid retreat, what is the point? "Investigators must be prepared for unexpected opportunities and have the discipline and calmness of mind to react quickly and skillfully. You can't practice serendipity, but you can practice and develop the necessary skills to capitalize on the gifts that destiny hands you. You can't get the proof if you are flabbergasted or hysterical. Stand your ground and get busy." The unexplained wave of terror that accompanies some encounters with the unexpected has been documented in popular books like The Mothman Prophecies (1975) by John Keel and Hunt for the Skinwalker: Science Confronts the Unexplained at a Remote Ranch in Utah (2005) by Colm Kelleher and George Knapp. Goerman wonders whether these intense feelings of fright and dread might be artificially induced or amplified by the phenomenon. We are reminded of the mission statement of the Hollywood Ghost Hunters, founded by Rick McCallum, who elaborates, "That's rule number one... if you run away, you're out of the group, and you're out for good." Please visit robertgoerman.tripod.com for solid tips and techniques for investigating the unknown and unexplained.
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Post by lois on Jan 31, 2011 20:38:26 GMT -6
A ufo is one thing but face to face with one of these creatures. Yes one would run, it is in our instinct to do so.. Seems like maybe they could of got a picture which would of helped in research. who would believe a picture?
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Post by paulette on Jan 31, 2011 21:06:04 GMT -6
Its easy to say (to someone else or even to yourself), "Don't run, stand your ground." Funny thing about terror - at some point the body takes over. I think anyone considering having an encounter of the third kind (or fourth kind) to be very clear how hard it will be to remain "rational".
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Post by sansseed on Feb 1, 2011 7:48:59 GMT -6
Goerman, himself, ponders in this article if these feelings were artificially induced. I had the same question when I read the original article. It is one thing for one or two people to become scared and want to flee, it's another for a whole group, IMO. It could have been that it started with one or two and the rest of the group began to feed off the fear, but that would take a little more time. The impression I got from the original article was that everyone become terrified and fled at the same time. Yet, I could be wrong in this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 11:12:50 GMT -6
Sometimes not hanging around is the better option for survival...or at least not putting yourself in someone's face. We don't know that a show of teeth (on our planet a smile) isn't a gesture for I'm hungry and want to eat your ears. Alone is never a good idea..two didn't work out for me..at least in an entire group..if you stay in the middle maybe they'll pick off the outside ones first if that's the intent ;D
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Post by skywalker on Feb 1, 2011 18:17:24 GMT -6
My understanding of this incident is that there were only three people there at the scene, two MUFON investigators and the original witness who contacted MUFON. Both of the investigators were female (not that it would have anything to do with them fleeing the scene ) Chase Kloetzke, the lead investigator at the scene, served many years in the military and was a master trainer/instructor in military readiness and fitness, as well as a bio-mechanics specialist. That is not the type of person who normally would flee from anything. Something must have scared her pretty badly. Now, having done a little bit of investigating myself in haunted houses, spooky old graveyards, and dark isolated places in the middle of nowhere, I can attest from personal experience that it is not always easy to hold your ground when coming face to face with the unknown. I admit I have made a few hasty retreats.
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Post by bewildered on Feb 1, 2011 19:12:23 GMT -6
There's a common misconception surrounding the concept of courage. Courage is not the absence of fear, as many people might believe. Rather, it is a conscious, deliberate decision not to be controlled by fear. Having come face to face with terror and the panic that ensues in its wake, I know all too well how monumentally difficult pushing through it can be. It requires a tenacity of focus that must border on the ferocious. I allowed the panic and terror to wash over me and the only thing that kept me in control was my absolute refusal to run. I regard it as a contest, and this helps me endure the psycho-emotional bombardment. My heart races...my breathing becomes shallow and sporadic...my mind begins to scream "get the *heck* out of dodge"...in short, my body recoils from the exposure. To *heck* with my body and what my mind might say. Posh.
I have a term for such a reaction: it's the Berserker Effect. My ancestors, the Scandanavians, understood the power inherent in this fortress. Do your worst...I will not stop nor pause. Nothing can deter me. If I lose a leg, I still have another one. If I lose my last leg, then I can pull myself along on the ground...and so on. You simply continue until it is absolutely impossible to go on any longer. That, of course, means death.
If that sounds extreme, it's because extreme measures are called for when facing terror and panic.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 1, 2011 19:41:38 GMT -6
The "Berzerker Effect"...isn't that what Wolverine in the X-man comics did when he was fighting people? I bet he wouldn't run. Paranormal investigators don't have huge claws though...not that they would do any good against some of the things that are out there.
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Post by Steve on Feb 1, 2011 20:16:52 GMT -6
My understanding of this incident is that there were only three people there at the scene, two MUFON investigators and the original witness who contacted MUFON. Both of the investigators were female (not that it would have anything to do with them fleeing the scene ) Chase Kloetzke, the lead investigator at the scene, served many years in the military and was a master trainer/instructor in military readiness and fitness, as well as a bio-mechanics specialist. That is not the type of person who normally would flee from anything. Something must have scared her pretty badly. Now, having done a little bit of investigating myself in haunted houses, spooky old graveyards, and dark isolated places in the middle of nowhere, I can attest from personal experience that it is not always easy to hold your ground when coming face to face with the unknown. I admit I have made a few hasty retreats. Among the three witnesses present, the lead investigator split first, in such group dynamics... psychologically, if she decided to split, it was either because they would naturally follow, or the others instinctively thought maybe she knew something the others didn't. All three present according to the Journal article saw the entity, perhaps in quick succession. But there is something else more important.... This discussion is interesting, but something perhaps few might not know. According to my sources within Mufon, CMS case 22904 (the case discussed here) does not mention in either Chase's report of the other FI's report anything about any entity EVER! I do not include the other FI name, because it has not been disclosed elsewhere first, though Chase's name has been mentioned already. The case is classified a Category 3, which would be appropriate for a entity report, but the Vallee classification is a MA 1 ( Discontinuous trajectory) only!!! Whats going on? The case seems to have been completely 'sanitized'. Understandably the witness info has been deleted, but the entity (the subject of all the fuss) in both submitted reports mentions nothing or anything about the entity encounter in the corn field. Was it removed? Why? Or did it never occur in the first place? It was mentioned conspicuously in the Journal article, and nothing ever in the Journal is printed without board approval first. Some publicity stunt? I hope not. It does support my conspiracy theories Mufon's important case information (all entity and landing reports) usually disappears to another 'place'. Bigelow? CIA? Not sure, but this has been an on going pattern for many years within Mufon. It is not unusual in International Director's monthly reports to Mufon State Directors mentioning no less consistently 30 or so landing and entity reports in their Case management system (CMS). But a careful auditing each month of the same data reveals no such reports (consistently too). Not questioning if this case has been partly fabricated or not, so much as why the huge discrepancy in what is in the case file reported by sources vs. the January 2011 Mufon Journal version? So there is a lot here that is inconsistent. Those still with CMS access check it out for yourself... CMS 22904. More perhaps along these lines see.... followthemagicthread.blogspot.com/2011/01/strange-bedfellows.htmlSteve
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Post by paulette on Feb 1, 2011 23:22:12 GMT -6
It is quite informative to have you providing info to us Steve. When is an encounter not an encounter? When the thing encountered is erased. Bewildered, your Viking blood probably should be on your resume' if you decide to be a field investigator or have a little call down party.
I really thought I was ready. Really. We didn't exactly RUN away - but we did walk fast. Other posts here and on the 2nd board relate that people feel that they were thrown back - sometimes on their donkeys.
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Post by bewildered on Feb 2, 2011 1:22:15 GMT -6
The "Berzerker Effect"...isn't that what Wolverine in the X-man comics did when he was fighting people? I bet he wouldn't run. Paranormal investigators don't have huge claws though...not that they would do any good against some of the things that are out there. You don't need claws to resist. Just determination. 90% of all battles are waged in the mind, after all. It is possible to lose before the first shot is ever fired.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 2, 2011 7:35:23 GMT -6
Among the three witnesses present, the lead investigator split first, in such group dynamics... psychologically, if she decided to split, it was either because they would naturally follow, or the others instinctively thought maybe she knew something the others didn't. All three present according to the Journal article saw the entity, perhaps in quick succession. But there is something else more important.... This discussion is interesting, but something perhaps few might not know. According to my sources within Mufon, CMS case 22904 (the case discussed here) does not mention in either Chase's report of the other FI's report anything about any entity EVER! I do not include the other FI name, because it has not been disclosed elsewhere first, though Chase's name has been mentioned already. The case is classified a Category 3, which would be appropriate for a entity report, but the Vallee classification is a MA 1 ( Discontinuous trajectory) only!!! Whats going on? The case seems to have been completely 'sanitized'. Understandably the witness info has been deleted, but the entity (the subject of all the fuss) in both submitted reports mentions nothing or anything about the entity encounter in the corn field. Was it removed? Why? Or did it never occur in the first place? It was mentioned conspicuously in the Journal article, and nothing ever in the Journal is printed without board approval first. Some publicity stunt? I hope not. It does support my conspiracy theories Mufon's important case information (all entity and landing reports) usually disappears to another 'place'. Bigelow? CIA? Not sure, but this has been an on going pattern for many years within Mufon. It is not unusual in International Director's monthly reports to Mufon State Directors mentioning no less consistently 30 or so landing and entity reports in their Case management system (CMS). But a careful auditing each month of the same data reveals no such reports (consistently too). Not questioning if this case has been partly fabricated or not, so much as why the huge discrepancy in what is in the case file reported by sources vs. the January 2011 Mufon Journal version? So there is a lot here that is inconsistent. According to the Journal the second investigator was Alyson Burgess. So we have two female MUFON investigators and one male witness, and they all panic and run when confronted by a tiny little three-and-a-half-foot-tall skinny-legged being. What's even more amazing is that they started running before they even saw the being! Is it possible that in their blind overwhelming panic they only thought they saw a being? Maybe it was just some little kid who was curious to see what all of those crazy people were doing in the middle of a cornfield in the middle of the night. Fear can easily warp a person's sense of perception. I wouldn't be surprised at all that MUFON manipulated the data in order to suppress information for some reason. They seem to have a habit of doing that.
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Post by Steve on Feb 2, 2011 7:53:57 GMT -6
Ran before they saw their 'being'? Please if you may share where you found that? I read in the Journal article they left after seeing. Not debating respectfully whether they should have faced whatever it was that was there or not. More wondering if it even occurred. Or STAR TEAM membership and membership in Mufon in general is down, and this is a publicity ploy to boost membership? My impressions of Chase is she is both secretive, and enjoys the limelight at the same time. A difficult act to balance. But maybe it was all as she wrote in the Journal article. Who Knows. But 'fumbles' seems a bit strong. What would we each do placed in that situation? Steve
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 15:40:44 GMT -6
I don't think you can generalize something like this as each situation would most likely be different and you'd have to modify your own behavior to suit the moment..wouldn't you think?
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Post by Arctic Amazon on Feb 2, 2011 17:17:21 GMT -6
Its easy to say (to someone else or even to yourself), "Don't run, stand your ground." Funny thing about terror - at some point the body takes over. I think anyone considering having an encounter of the third kind (or fourth kind) to be very clear how hard it will be to remain "rational". Very true. When I was a senior in high school, we had a huge earthquake in my home town. It was recorded as a 7.9 magnitude quake and happened on a Sunday. A friend of mine said he was sitting in the movie theater watching a new film when the quake started. He said the whole theater was packed and everyone fell silent and started looking around at each other, but nobody panicked. About five seconds later, (it was a long quake, almost a full minute...) one man in the front row jumped up out of his chair, screaming in hysteria and ran to the emergency exit. After that ONE man jumped up, everyone ELSE jumped up and ran for the exit... except my friend. But yea... My friend was laughing and said if that man hadn't freaked out, everyone else would have been fine. No buildings collapsed during the quake. Our buildings are built to resist powerful quakes up here... they have to be built that way because it's a common thing up here. If one person in a group loses it, everyone else gives in to their instincts and they all run along with the first one. It's the "mob mentality".
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Post by auntym on Feb 2, 2011 18:33:17 GMT -6
one night several years ago, i was awakened by a phone call telling me there were 5 men trying to break into the front window of my house...i think this was a waking sleep state... .... i told the caller i'd take care of it.... i got up and peaked out of my bedroom and looked towards the living room....there, coming towards me were 5 balls of light....they were about 12 ft. away....i looked at them and thought "what do i do now", i actually remember thinking this.... .... i then went back into my bedroom, got into bed & sat in the middle of my bed pulled up the blankets and thats all i remember.....i remember i did not panic, but i might have been controlled by whoever.... i often wondered what would have happened if i just stood there in the doorway and watched the lights get closer.... (if it ever happens again.... i'll give it a shot...LOL) i wrote about this incident at mufon.... this was one of my stranger nights....my husband use to say i had a more exciting night life than day life....LOL i guess he was right....
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Post by skywalker on Feb 2, 2011 20:08:46 GMT -6
You don't need claws to resist. Just determination. 90% of all battles are waged in the mind, after all. It is possible to lose before the first shot is ever fired. That's very true, BW. The claws would be nice though. It's kind of weird how people can react differently in different circumstances. I was once hiking up in Colorado when I came face to face with a huge grizzly bear...but instead of panicking I just very calmly backed away from it and everything turned out fine. Then there was another time I just about killed myself trying to get away from what turned out to be a furry little varmint. I guess you just have to be in the right frame of mind. Obviously those investigators weren't.
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