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Post by lois on Feb 27, 2011 0:26:10 GMT -6
Is there a case out there where children say playing in a yard together all been abducted at one time.?...Has a group of children claimed abduction together like adults have.?
My brother and I witnessed a ufo together as children.. could we both have been abducted? He does not remember this event..
I know of the school children in Africa, but I don't believe they were abducted, they surely would of been missed by the school teachers.. How long was the recess at the time of their sighting?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 11:14:55 GMT -6
Memories are triggered differently for different people Lois. I remembered long before my friend did and she will not accept or discuss any of it. I've heard of children and parents abducted together but I'm not sure that a group of children wouldn't be too hysterical for them to handle. Children with their parents would stay calmer..and children by themselves or with one other might not be so hard to control. Can you imagine the stoic-seeming greys surrounded by a schoolyard of screaming kids? Alien melt down LOL..just look at how the average mom feels at the end of the day with her children . Maybe there are cases but I haven't heard of them..Steve maybe?
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Post by skywalker on Feb 27, 2011 11:27:18 GMT -6
I have read about instances where two kids were abducted at the same time, but I don't know if it has happened to larger groups. Maybe it has but it was just never reported.
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Post by Steve on Feb 27, 2011 14:42:15 GMT -6
Memories are triggered differently for different people Lois. I remembered long before my friend did and she will not accept or discuss any of it. I've heard of children and parents abducted together but I'm not sure that a group of children wouldn't be too hysterical for them to handle. Children with their parents would stay calmer..and children by themselves or with one other might not be so hard to control. Can you imagine the stoic-seeming greys surrounded by a schoolyard of screaming kids? Alien melt down LOL..just look at how the average mom feels at the end of the day with her children . Maybe there are cases but I haven't heard of them..Steve maybe? There are little snippets I hear and record in cases Jo. One was a UFO crash recovery in the desert area of the United States supposedly in or around 1959. The story was that many of the personnel who recovered the wreckage were shaken up beyond the normal expectations in this one particularly 'crash'. Reportedly bodies of human children were also found among the dead alien gray bodies too. Not hybrids, human children. From the same source, one witness when she was 4 years old had an imaginary playmate that to her at that age was not imaginary.....because both parents saw the entity too! Near White Sands, New Mexico in 1952, this little man would come out of this nearby abandoned mine shaft and play with this little girl in the back area behind their home (Army family). The small man would put images in her head she related. Later, she described vividly in her blue wall colored bedroom, herself and this small entity (or as she referred to him as this little man) would sit down in tiny chairs next to her play table, and she would play 'tea time' with the entity. She would pour make-believe cups of tea into little cups and they would sit down facing each other. The blue paint on the bedroom walls she remembered reflected in the entities dark eyes. The entity seemed only half interested in what the child was doing, taking it all in. The parents watching all of this. (the daughter and mother are still alive and relate this clearly). It almost reminds me of little Drew Barrymore's role in the movie 'ET'. And I guess the responsibe thing too would be to also consider which came first? The witness story sparked by the movie? In the context of everything else the witnesses related.... just sharing this has all been pondered before by me already. The remarkable thing no one could realize unless they actually did interviews in the field, is watching the mother and daughter interact relating their amazing accounts to me. You can easily watch the interaction between them as they corrected each other in their recall relating it for accuracy sake. It was clearly evident it was not rehearsed or made up - they had lived it. Something of note that important interview (about 7 hours!) that might not come across a written normally dry report. What a story. This was not necessarily an abduction, but seemed to be a regular series of encounters according to the family. The family still relates there were entities reportedly all over the New Mexico deserts in the 1950's. The father died under mysterious circumstances in June 1964. The little girl has had a number of experiences that could be considered abductions long since. The family related the grays were not really the problem so much strangely, even though they did not refer to them as 'grays' they stressed then. The concern was the Army gathering up any stray entities in the desert before the 'world' found out. A pleasant memory of an imaginary friend from a lonely childhood? Not according to the mother too. I imagine if groups of children being abducted by aliens are actually true, like in many things - strange in this case, the parents are always the last to know. There is a clear matriarchal link in many abduction cases within families following blood lines. The parents have had experiences. They keep them secret from the family as most sensible parents might do from their children. Children need that sense of emotional security. But usually one day - after switching the TV channels to avoid their children seeing sciFi films with aliens (more because the parents are very uncomfortable about them having been themselves exposed to something they are still working out)..... to their shock, they will see their children on the floor doodling on a piece of drawing paper drawing this 'little man' that visits them in their bedroom, or in the back yard while they are playing. (like the drawings by children that witnessed the UFO experience on the play ground in Zimbabwe). The parents are usually shocked... they know 'these beings' are now after their children too. Here is a completely different case. This is one experiencers detailed story of her childhood abduction in broad daylight (and her friend too) she shared with me - from my case files. Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Date: 1968. The missing time in 1968 was just after 9AM - past noon (12:25PM). How do I know at four years old? I was not allowed to go over to play at my girlfriend's house until 9 AM because she had 5 older siblings that had to get ready for school in the mornings. My mother explained to me that her mom was busy with all the kids and needed a little break after they were all off into school by 8 AM before I could go over and play.
I know that it was past noon at four years old. A very popular show called Bozo's Circus came on at noon Monday thru Friday. When we came inside the house to have lunch the program was almost over...when I was sitting at the kitchen table with our peanut butter and jelly sandwiches I saw the clock on the wall with the little hand on 12 noon and the big hand on the 5. I counted the hours from 9 to 10 and 10 to 11 and 11 to noon, counting the numbers 10,11, and 12...three numbers and seeing 3 hours had gone by when I thought I had just got there after 9 AM. It was not one of those typical kid playing days with so much fun as to where did the time go?!
While I was walking around the block to her house I stopped to look up in the sky to see if there were clouds for cloud pictures...and the sky was clear, cloudless, blue, sunny day. When I got to the end of the driveway at the back of her house, she was already in the backyard and I noticed she had a pretty new white blouse with bric-a-brac decoration and I asked her if her blouse was new and told her how pretty I thought it was.
Next we were in the backyard by the neighbor’s garage at the side where tulips had bloomed and were admiring the pretty flowers. That tells me this was still in May. School was in session still for siblings also. I asked her what game she wanted to first play and she said "hide and go seek"
That is when a strange, strong gust of wind came up - not a nice passing breeze...it was so windy that our we were both parting our hair from our faces to see and we looked at each other laughing at how funny the wind was and we were both doing the same thing.
I looked down at the lawn grass that was blowing also...it was tall and unmowed. When I looked up I did not see my little 3 year old girlfriend. I fought the wind to walk and saw her squatting down in the corner of an "L" shaped hedge at the side of her house. I know we were going to play hide and go seek and I had not even begun to count to ten yet and here she was hiding. She looked very frightened, pale, and scared.
I reached my arm and hand out toward her. I looked up above in the sky to see large grey square tile shapes of a large object that was above the neighbors' garage and drive way right at the top of a large tree.
My girlfriend was yelling, "What is it?! What is it?!" and I was shouting, "I don't know! I don't know!" Next she was begging me, "Don't go! Don't go!" And the last thing I remember saying to her was this, "I'll take you with me cuz you're my friend, cuz you’re my friend."
Next we were standing in the backyard at the side of the house facing the back porch steps...a feeling of this frozen moment in time...and like in slow-motion, gradually becoming in real movement in real time...her mother is standing with the porch door open at the top of the stairs angry and yelling at us, "Where have you kids been playing?! I've been looking all over for you; get in here, lunch is ready now!"
It was horrible feeling that her mother was mad at us and we were in trouble with her when we were just right here in the backyard about to play hide and go seek and we hadn't even begun to do that. How could it possibly be lunch time right now?! Why is she so mad? Did she make a cooked casserole dish in the oven that took a long time to bake?
Upon going inside I was surprised that Bozo's Circus was on TV so that met it really was past noon and we had missed most of the show. How could that be on now? How could Bozo's circus almost be over?
We sat at the kitchen table for lunch and her mother brought us simply made peanut butter jelly sandwich which was cut in half and we each had a half sandwich. I looked up at the wall of the kitchen clock and little hand on 12 and big hand on 5. So in fact the clock was matching the children's TV show and the lunch time of which her mother said it was. How could all this be so?!
I counted the numbers of nine to ten and ten to eleven and eleven to noon of the clock...all that time where had we been?! It was frightening to think a grown-up did not see us outside playing thru the big dinning room window to the back yard and side windows at house. How could she not see us right there playing? How could she not find us? She swung open the back door and there we were when she began yelling at us and was mad at us, why was that? I remember feeling insecure and not very safe.
After lunch, my girlfriend brought out crayons and wanted to draw (not color like in a coloring book). Where could we draw? We're not suppose to draw on the walls...(we knew that) and she wanted to go down into the basement. We can draw on this wall... one behind the open slat basement stairs...we put chairs next to wall that were nearby and stood on them to draw the tall spooky man. We used bright colored crayons yellow, orange, green...his arms were long with long fingers and he was tall with weird eyes. We moved the chairs away, went upstairs to play.
Seemed as if we were safe now because we put him on the wall in the basement downstairs. When her brothers and sisters were home from school one of them discovered him on the wall (this was also the laundry room) and was asking the others which one drew the monster on the wall to scare us little kids?! When we said we did it, they didn't believe us and we explained that we used chairs to stand on. He was on that wall until 1994 when the basement was painted for the first time with two coats of paint.
When I got home that day and my father was sitting at the kitchen table after work and my mother was beginning to cook dinner. I was over-excited about the 'flying saucer' I saw and couldn't wait to tell them both about it. It made it really windy and we couldn't see each other cuz our hair was in our faces. My mother said rather matter of factly, "Oh you must have seen a helicopter then." And I said, "No, it wasn't a helicopter." My father asked me, "What kind of sound did it make?" I told him there was no sound. Then my dad asked me what did it look like? And I said big grey square shapes above the garage at the top of the tree. And my father said, “Oh you must have seen a blimp." And I asked him what a blimp was.
I remember seeing my first blimp with my father at night when I was 6 years old. We saw the lights - marquee letters going around and then the big large cigar shape. I knew I had not seen a blimp that 'other' time. Not only was that experience weird yet the rest of the week was highly weird for me and my girlfriend. She burnt her mannequin doll in the leaf pile, set it on fire with matches. Her mother came out and asked why she did such and she said, "I don't know." She loved playing with dolls and we both had mannequin dolls as big and tall as ourselves we would play with sometimes together, now her doll was burned. I was afraid my doll would get me and hid her inside my closet. I didn't like playing with dolls as much.
The same week her mother sent us outside to play and made the comment to go pick her some pretty flowers. I use to get in trouble if I picked neighbors' marigolds and don't recall seeing any yellow dandelions in the grass...we both went down the back yards to pick two old lady sister's very beautiful and large tulips. That is when one sister came out pointing and shaking her finger at us saying she would call the police on us for picking her lovely flowers - shame on us, etc.! We both ran home. I ran inside the house crying and coincidentally a cop car and uniformed policeman was talking to my dad outside in our drive way.
I thought I was going to be taken away to jail and wouldn't stop crying with my mom rocking me in the rocking chair trying to calm me down, reassure me he was just a friend that Daddy knew and was not going to take me to jail, patting and rubbing my back...and I was patting my mother's back at the same time thinking I was going to be locked up forever in jail missing my Mommy. My mother had talked to my girlfriend's mother who said my girlfriend had hid behind her folks' bed also afraid the police were going to be looking for her to take her away to jail. We had some traumatic memorable experiences that week alone.
These things were part of our history together and impossible to forget forever. My girlfriend is quite a religiously devote person. She says she does remember that day (and she was three years old at the time), knows that something strange happened, and expresses she doesn't feel comfortable talking about such. I was attempting in 1996 to see how much she could recall. She knows that I was doing hypnosis sessions to remember the 'missing time' we had that day and what happened to us. The tall spooky man was on the wall in the house till 1994 from that day - like we could ever forget? That day he just seemed like a tall thin man and very unusual looking..not really human...different like say a ghost not our reality as a human...and feeling was an authority figure, one asserting authority like an elder that you respect and obey as a child..yet frightening and intimidating...he's the tall adult monster and spooky guy that you better not cross. We wouldn't be playing with our mannequin dolls together again cuz she burned her doll. And we wouldn't ever again pick any flowers from other people’s flowerbeds!
As an adult I found a card with an illustration in black on white of a woman's portrait - her face being the clock face or background of a clock which hands were in position at 9 o'clock (which I associate with my 1968 experience at 9 AM).
I have some pictures I drew as part of the counseling or art therapy with the hypnosis sessions. I was not successful at staying under in a complete session as I feel like I am 're-living' the experience...like it really is happening exactly right then...and I come right out of hypnosis feeling over-whelmed, heart-racing, fearful, etc. I actually had to do creative visualization meditation to my 'safe place' setting, one which I liked and felt comfortable and at peace just so I could sleep again at night
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Post by paulette on Feb 27, 2011 15:03:12 GMT -6
Seemed as if we were safe now because we put him on the wall in the basement downstairs - from the reported incident by Steve above.
I think my kids may have had exeriences together of an unexplained kind. I have written about this various places. They had an imaginary friend named Filim. My daughter was quite exact about the name. (She is younger by 2 years than her brother). She remembers playing Filim - later they took turns BEING Filim although she liked this part best. My son remembered the name but nothing about what or who Filim was. The game evolved after we returned from a trip to Mexico and they met two springer spaniels named Boo and Gib. Gib in the game remained a dog. Boo was replaced by Filim - when I asked if Filim was a dog, my daughter laughed and said, "Of course not". And shrugged when I asked then what Filim WAS.
They played this game outside. We lived on a corner lot in town but in the summer we took the kids to various lakes in the logging areas/bush of BC. We did not keep our eyes on them every minute. In hindsight, I think I was a fairly casual parent.
The reason I quoted the sentence...when my daughter was about 9 or 10 I came home to discovered that she had painted aliens - grey looking things all around the mirror in her bedroom (on the wall and wallpaper) in glow in the dark paint. Since we had JUST renoed her room with pretty pale yellow wallpaper with flowers and painted the closet and surround I was very irritated. Even more so when they did not wash off. I always wondered why she did that. I did have the book Communion laying around and she did comment fearfully about the cover. At that time my own memories were surfacing and it didn't occur to me to wonder if she had any. She certainly hadn't wandered as freely as I had as a child. I figured Filim was .....an imaginary friend. End of story.
Stiver has a story about being taken by a cook/elder from her village in Bulgaria and meeting up with a strange man in the woods and a conversation going down something like "They're old enough to experience it now." The next thing she knew, they were up in air, sailing along holding hands with the man. I would guess this is still posted there - and she illustrated it, as she did other curious events in her life.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 15:08:37 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing the story Steve. I like the story that took place in Hawaii. It sounds like something small children would do... I believe it as the truth.
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Post by lois on Feb 27, 2011 23:06:18 GMT -6
Steve thank you for posting this story again.
It was one I lost at Mufon I believe.. This little girl has walked in my shoes.. I really feel or her. I think if I was regressed I would be the same way.. I often thought of it for a ufo encounter in 72 when I was 29 and missed four hours in the middle of the night.... But as a child would those abduction memories come out of my ufo encounter when I was four.??.
NO!! I did not want to remember. How could a child cope with knowing? When it is so hard for an adult.. I was hoping someone was taken with me, but only had one experience with a brother who was only three. She seems to have a good memory like myself.. People today tell me Oh you were to young to remember all that you tell..
Look at the neighbor in the above story, she was only three. I wish all these kids as adults today could show there parents how it happen to others, but most parents are not living now.
When I read the part where bozo the clown was on TV. I feel that feeling she must of had still today. But with me it was the groceries all layed out on the table.. How could one go shopping and come home like my Mother did while I walked two doors down from our home and back.. She had went three places that afternoon..I was six then, but at four I seen a ufo in the same location where I had walked to at six. There was an open field there.. no homes. very isolated area. Yes the sad part was my Mother did not believe me when she wanted to know where I was all that time, my brothers had search for me.
thanks for posting it again. I have read this somewhere, I expect it was on a forum with you.
I have imagine being in a ship and a lot of ugly beings around me this young. It makes me shiver and I knock it out of my mind, then immediately I think of something that give me pleasure I enjoy doing.
Lois
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Post by lois on Feb 27, 2011 23:17:32 GMT -6
I just printed this out and I'm going to have my skeptic sister-in-law read it.. I get so tired of people saying you don't remember things that young in so much detail.. One does this kind of experience.. Lois :
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Post by skywalker on Feb 27, 2011 23:29:42 GMT -6
Stiver has a story about being taken by a cook/elder from her village in Bulgaria and meeting up with a strange man in the woods and a conversation going down something like "They're old enough to experience it now." The next thing she knew, they were up in air, sailing along holding hands with the man. I would guess this is still posted there - and she illustrated it, as she did other curious events in her life. I remember the story stiver told. It was in her "Bungee Jump" thread. She did say she was with a group of kids then. Let me go see if I can find it.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 27, 2011 23:34:45 GMT -6
It's gone. She deleted all of the posts she made on that thread.
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Post by lois on Feb 27, 2011 23:38:22 GMT -6
I wonder why she did that? No scientific proof?
Lois
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Post by skywalker on Feb 28, 2011 0:40:34 GMT -6
I think she was upset about what happened when people were criticising her and Jj. It must have hurt her feelings so she deleted some of her posts.
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Post by lois on Feb 28, 2011 0:49:48 GMT -6
she put them on for us, the members with the similar experiences, members she knew fpr a long time. New members today, she does not know would not understand it or believe in her as much as we would.. only a guess
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Post by skywalker on Apr 17, 2011 18:53:36 GMT -6
I just found an account of 45 people on a bus that may have been abducted together back in 1965. It was posted on the NUFORC site.
Occurred : 12/22/1965 09:00 (Entered as : 12/22/1965 09:00 p) Reported: 6/16/2004 10:44:50 PM 22:44 Posted: 6/18/2004 Location: Houston (west of), TX Shape: Formation Duration:3 minutes 45 of us were on the Bus, standing to see the objects, then flash, and everyone was in their seats again
15 bright lights flying in v formation from north to south, and flew over the bus, which was going east, I saw them first and told the other boys from the Job Corps, and we were excited and standing in the isle to see them clearly, but when the objects were over us, there was a bright light, and I looked around, and all the boys were calmly sitting in their seats again, all in an instant; how is that possible? then none of the boys would talk about what happened.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 17, 2011 18:56:00 GMT -6
Here is some more info on it from the same person.
Occurred : 12/10/1965 21:00 (Entered as : 12/10/1965 21:00) Reported: 10/28/2003 8:47:11 PM 20:47 Posted: 10/31/2003 Location: San Marcos, TX Shape: Light Duration:1 minute What happened on that buss in 1965, in Texas
Bus of Gary Job Corps trainees going to Houston for Christmas Hollidays; We were all excited about the "V" formation of Bright Lights comeing over the north horizon toward us, I was concerned about everyone shifting the weight of the bus, because we were all on the left side of the Bus looking out the window. We watched the lights go over the bus very high and fast, and as I looked around the bus, sudenly I realized that everyone was sitting in their seats, like nothing happened; I asked people if they saw that, but they just sat there with a blank look on their face, and would not talk for the rest of the trip to Houston.
((NUFORC Note: Date of incident is approximate. PD))
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