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Post by Morgan Sierra on Jun 16, 2014 21:06:18 GMT -6
Paulette wanted me to post this here.  It had some beautiful imagery but I'm a little confused about what it was talking about. Something to do with quantum physics I assume. Perhaps paulette can explain it better? |
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Post by paulette on Jun 17, 2014 0:38:44 GMT -6
I cannot. My take on this strange video though was hopefulness - that those who have survived "civilization" and can now communicate through the Universe are encouragers of light. They have witnessed the end of some planets and their "people", but the light shines through and through in spite of the odds. Sorta like bees are physically unable to fly (too heavy) but they do. It seems to correspond to the book I started reading today by Steve and Mary. They have been waiting to talk to us? It is a tricky connection.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 2:09:34 GMT -6
I started reading that same book last Thursday  . Didn't Han also refer to his kind being like "bees" in the first few chapters? I'm on page 144 and have dogeared several pages . . . |
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Post by lois on Jun 17, 2014 22:29:47 GMT -6
I think the Aliens are us in the future. . This has it all backwards to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 8:34:06 GMT -6
I truly don't think they are us Lois..they felt very very mentally different to me as well as physically. My brain couldn't make any leap to something familiar at all..just a total alien-ness. Cold and dispassionate and painful and unfamiliar on all fronts. They are not human.
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Post by auntym on Jun 18, 2014 12:04:45 GMT -6
i don't buy that either lois... i don't believe they are us or from our future...
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Post by lois on Jun 18, 2014 21:53:08 GMT -6
I'm not speaking of the grays but other beings that have been seen. We could be a throw off of them somehow. Clone for the next 2000 years and see what you get. |
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Post by skywalker on Jun 18, 2014 22:06:44 GMT -6
Like the Nordics perhaps? They are pretty much human in appearance although their eyes and facial features are sometimes a little strange. I could see them possibly being from the future. If time travel is possible and if we ever figure out how to do it do you think humans could resist trying to tamper with things. Maybe that's why they try to maintain such secrecy...they are trying to not upset things too much by making direct open contact.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 23:23:58 GMT -6
Well..depends on what you want to believe I guess. When all is said and done...it's not about the 'aliens' it's about us and our purpose for existence. The lessons we are here to learn...how our souls mature and grow. We get too far removed from our spiritual purpose and we're just blobs going through the motions. Especially lately...I've been much more turned inward. What we have encountered or seen does shape us. How did we deal...what did we take away from each experience we've had. Maybe...they're on the same quest. shrug |
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Post by auntym on Jun 19, 2014 12:32:50 GMT -6
i believe in time-travel... and if we haven't already mastered it, we soon will... what i don't believe is the aliens are us from the future... i just can't wrap my brain around that one... i believe the aliens are alien from another star system or dimension...they are here now, i believe they have the power to travel in time, but, they are not us... the blondes are from the pleiades, we are cousins... they helped seed us... just my thoughts on the subject... i'll get off my soap box now before i'm yanked off... |
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Post by lois on Jun 19, 2014 16:09:02 GMT -6
Part of my maybe opinion is what I witnessed at four. I really thought I was seeing the future which had come back to our time. Like they lived here but in a different place like here but in the future. Two worlds in one. That could never be but somehow I cannot get the notion out of my head. Maybe it was us in the near future flying saucers ..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 1:23:59 GMT -6
My first theory on this phenomenon, was "they" were us, humans (greatly altered) from our distant future. And I haven't had near the amount of experience that Lois' has had! And I will admit it was am instinctual feeling from my own childhood, more than anything else.
I look at the arguments against this, even posted here, and I just don't know. There are certain times that I was not afraid of "them" (which we know about their lies, drugs, and seeming familiarty). Like Lois, I entertain ideas of the damage we do to ourselves over time, and the efficiency of a different body that is tailored for space travel. And the idea of clones, or containers for human souls. With Jokellys experience in mind, I think of bodies polluted by things like radiation. Not able to naturally reproduce, and of a different stature because of years of taking fluids in as nourishment, instead of food that takes our bodies too much time to digest.
I always say that IF we master time travel, it will be much easier to go back in time than forward.
Whenever I try to give up on this theory, something jangles my awareness. As I've said before, there have been plenty of small events, like ONE tool (not lots of "advanced ones") found in the strata of an archaelogical site where it has no reason for being.
And guess what i read yesterday? The reason the Hedges perfect crystal skull showed up on Anne Hedges birthday is because her dad planted it there for her to find. Of course its still unusual, but add to that the contraversy of not knowing where it was originally found??
My reason for concluding that "they" are not us, turns out to be religious one. It doesn't fit with the return of Jesus. Jesus is also the only reason that I discount the idea(s) of reincarnation. If it was so, no one has been able to explain to me adequitly the reason for all that hubbub about Him (Jesus) dying for our sins, and suffering terribly. . .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 8:39:44 GMT -6
Spiritual aspects are actually a major concern for me when listening to others talk about aliens. They have technology on their side ...maybe more rules known that govern the universe but I keep hearing a 'reverence' when people talk about them..like they are these amazing things for being here. Are we trying to worship better technology? They aren't great..just very different (in my minds eye). We have greatness here we can't even begin to fathom but because 'aliens' are more touchable...don't require the faith element...it's easy to be awestruck by them? Grey's don't exactly seem to have that 'do unto others' thing going on...that's for sure. I keep bouncing back to a need for understanding our own mysteries..of the spiritual and our own development and finding the whole 'alien' thing less apt to take up space in my brain. They don't want to be friends or they 'd give some indication of it. We aren't part of some vast 'federation' ..we aren't to that level in our development. I am guessing that their societies are a bit more goal driven than ours because some of us are really happy just being soccer mom's or 9 to 5 ers who rush home for that cocktail after a rough trip home in traffic adding to the pollution and not giving a damn. Time travel? Why? Isn't the future much more important than the past? OK...past is safer we know what happened there and the future is well yet another thing requiring faith...that we have one...LOL. If that weren't true...psychics would be out of business. |
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Post by skywalker on Jun 20, 2014 22:02:25 GMT -6
I've always wondered why people even worship gods in the first place. On one hand people have the arrogance to think that humans are the only intelligent species in the entire universe and that we were put here to rule over the world...yet on the other hand people humbly bow down and worship something that they can't even see. What's up with that?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 12:17:23 GMT -6
shrug..one of those things that unless you're equipped to see it..you don't. I know God exists. No doubts no quandaries..nada..it is. I don't believe in religion. God is as much a part of me as I am of him..I died..I know this..but I knew it long before then...I've known it all of my life. I've known my share of miracles..things that couldn't possibly have happened but did...and I've had many many messages to help me along the way. I try very hard never to take that for granted. I would serve him...in any way I could and it would be my honor..my joy. He knows this..hopefully he takes it for granted To me..life could not be complete without my faith...but I'm very aware others don't have that...and that's fine too..I know he loves his own. We get tangled up in religious dogma..and forget the bottom line. I worship one God who is all gods ....dude wears many hats....but if it's not there for you...no fiery pit is going to open up and swallow you at the end game...that's bs. We just go on from here..to other business. People complicate things...over read things...swear by things...when they just need to go with the heart. We always make things so much harder than they need to be. IMO |
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Post by skywalker on Jun 21, 2014 18:53:59 GMT -6
I'm not disagreeing with you. I was just kind of curious. As arrogant as people seem to be some time I'm surprised they didn't come up with the notion that God should be worshipping us instead of the other way around.
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Post by lois on Jun 21, 2014 20:43:06 GMT -6
My first theory on this phenomenon, was "they" were us, humans (greatly altered) from our distant future. And I haven't had near the amount of experience that Lois' has had! And I will admit it was am instinctual feeling from my own childhood, more than anything else. I look at the arguments against this, even posted here, and I just don't know. There are certain times that I was not afraid of "them" (which we know about their lies, drugs, and seeming familiarty). Like Lois, I entertain ideas of the damage we do to ourselves over time, and the efficiency of a different body that is tailored for space travel. And the idea of clones, or containers for human souls. With Jokellys experience in mind, I think of bodies polluted by things like radiation. Not able to naturally reproduce, and of a different stature because of years of taking fluids in as nourishment, instead of food that takes our bodies too much time to digest. I always say that IF we master time travel, it will be much easier to go back in time than forward. Whenever I try to give up on this theory, something jangles my awareness. As I've said before, there have been plenty of small events, like ONE tool (not lots of "advanced ones") found in the strata of an archaelogical site where it has no reason for being. And guess what i read yesterday? The reason the Hedges perfect crystal skull showed up on Anne Hedges birthday is because her dad planted it there for her to find. Of course its still unusual, but add to that the contraversy of not knowing where it was originally found?? My reason for concluding that "they" are not us, turns out to be religious one. It doesn't fit with the return of Jesus. Jesus is also the only reason that I discount the idea(s) of reincarnation. If it was so, no one has been able to explain to me adequitly the reason for all that hubbub about Him (Jesus) dying for our sins, and suffering terribly. . . Thanks for listening jc.. Yes since my childhood when I seen the Saturn like ship. Those aliens humans what ever they were I was viewing some one from the future. They had astronaut suits on with helmets and gray led boots. I seen no rocket. Only a large bright light silver sphere. with a perfect flat platform going around it at dead center. This thing was close to me . Maybe 80 feet in the air or less. Full sunny day looking almost straight up but to the South of me. I had a perfect view of this thing. The helmets had a shield over the face. It almost looked like black tinted like sunglasses. Yet a tiny bright beam reflecting off of it in one spot. I remember that as I was trying to see a face inside. The sun was right over head I think it was but this was South of the sun by not much. That is why i see the suits more like bright tin foil like men wear in a fire. but the boots were were not that bright. When I got older I started feeling it was from our future. Since I could not see the face and the bodies were shaped like man, those two could of been human. Where is one going to see such a thing in 1947? They were very friendly waving at me like that. They knew our custom of waving meant greeting. I did wave back at them with both hands. My body was not moving at all . I was frozen to that trike. Only my hands waved . If they had not waved at me and made me relax a little I don't think I would ever been able to climb off of it. The whole incident was only bout five or six minutes. But ten minutes by the time I went back out when my Mother would not come look. I think some day we will flying saucer ships of our own. But like Saturn? Oh yea this ship had something wrong with it. As they stood on the ring or platform and they were doing something to the top of the platform in front of them or should I say between them . They were facing each other both bent over with one guy on one knee with both of them wearing silver gloves which were working away on it. But they stopped to wave at me. They knew I was there and getting scare. I was mostly scared as I thought it was going to fall on the house below it which was only 20 feet below the ship. I will never think any differently. They were small men. short average built what I could tell as their suits were snugged to the body but seem that the arms and legs of the suit held air. Their joints were like ours as I seen them changed leg movement and arm elbow movement. What was the point of me seeing this. I do not think there was any missing time here. I pray all the time that mankind does not take science in the wrong direction so far that we would someday resemble these grays. Say it was true, we got supper strength but ended up making ourselves look so weak and under nourished. Maybe the food we grow will not be possible to do a thousand years from now. Is our resources going to last forever? |
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Post by lois on Jun 21, 2014 21:30:14 GMT -6
I found my self after 1972 watching what I ate. I ate anti toxic foods every day. I do not eat frozen food. I have never ate artificial sweetner of any kind I just don't eat sugar. I never got a microwave for 20 years. Still today I do not use them. I thaw meat out in my fridge. I do not go to health food stores. I never get organic foods. Besides they all taste horrible, like those stupid bananas. Science events then says we were wrong. Like my heart doctor told me last week on a yearly visit I made to him. "Lois throw away that niacin pills we give you. They have found out they have no bearing on helping the heart. What he did not know was I hardly ever took them. I do take the fish oil. Someday they will say fish oil is not good for you. I stick to a banana off the tree. A apple off the tree.. hoping no insecticides are in it. Whole wheat cereal . If I do eat a sweet it is fig bars. Science does not know the long term effects of anything the bring out. I eat corn on the cob, Fresh green beans. But bag carrots and cook them my self. At that time I never drank another soda. Not a one. I drink water orange juice and milk. Once in a while in the summer I drink a ice tea with no sugar. Green tea . we will see how long they say it is good for you. You might think I'm crazy when I say if they did not eat this 150 years ago I'm not consuming it. Yes it would take maybe a thousand years to get our bodies destroyed in some way . If not food maybe a earth change could do it. Science may just invent one single item that will wipe us out with no time to think what the heck happen? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 8:58:33 GMT -6
Like everything...it depends on someone's opinion. Line up ten doctors you'll probably get ten different opinions...because they've read ten different opinions. My husband can't take cholesterol medicine...actually he convinces himself he can't take it. Niacin will reduce cholesterol...but he couldn't take that either because he didn't like the way it made him feel. I use a microwave..I eat most foods..I was raised on a 'southern fried' diet that contributed to my heart problems but...my father provided a family contribution to that too. He died of a heart attack when he was 45. My grandmother lived to be 92 on her southern diet...southern food..southern baptist...mean mean woman. God didn't want to have to put up with her demanding ways. I use artificial sugar...and drink diet soda. I'm diabetic. So...a year ago..diet soda and diet sugar were evil....last week I read that was wrong...new studies show they're just fine. 'sigh'. Life is all about opinions and who's you will listen to. Don't like one? Find one you like..it will be there LOL
About the God thing Sky. I do believe most have created God in their image...they probably see him wearing Prada. I think so many things about religion have skewed things terribly. Way too many translations of the bible...way too many people listening to a man's opinion of God instead of the God in their own hearts. It's all in there..what is right what is wrong...where he is.. There is a little church here in Ramona that my neighbor goes too. She used to do drugs..found God which I think is wonderful..except..she didn't find God as much as the minister of this little church...who owns the church. No board of directors..no governing body..he preaches and preaches..to give to the church...and that's him. She can't afford it. He's not giving to the poor...he's giving to his largish family. And they spread..God is good income so as his kids leave the nest they move along and start other churches and brow-beat the congregation to 'tithe'. Well he made the mistake of asking for my neighbors help in keeping his books. She still attends church but her take on him has changed considerably. Mankind...IS mankind...we come with all the faults there are...including the aforementioned arrogance. I'm guessing that's one reason why the federation of planet thing will pass us by. We'd be telling them in a day...exactly how to run it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 15:45:33 GMT -6
We now know, or are as sure as one can be, that "ET" can cause us to see one thing when something else is happening. However, I'm still reluctant to put your vision of the Saturn like ship and its passengers in that category, Lois. I always say go with your gut feeling, especially if it persists  . Would there be some confusion in my gut reaction, If the travel was done by wormhole or black hole as opposed to some time machine? In regards to my earlier comment about a "tool" being buried in strata, I'm also ready to admit that "ET" could plant such items to further muddy up Earth's history. |
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Post by lois on Jun 22, 2014 16:30:01 GMT -6
My Doctor just told me it was new information which has come out just recently that the niacin was not what they thought it would help. My husband never took his after the first pill and had hot flushes all night. I took a Aspirin with mine and it never gave me any flushes. I was told to do this. Oh well one less pill I will have to buy.
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. Didn't Han also refer to his kind being like "bees" in the first few chapters?
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