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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 1:33:19 GMT -6
and . . . . ?
(not intended in my normal sarcasm. )
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Post by Steve on Jun 2, 2015 8:49:56 GMT -6
I made a lot of images of ufo in 3d wireframe software called bryce. If you see this one out there, I made it up.  Oh, that's a pretty one!....lol. I think debunkers or Government (or governments) missed an opportunity since 1947 if they wanted to suppress UFO's as nonsense.....Conceding we all know digital didn't come till later......they would have flooded the world with digital cameras.....lol.. Once digital cameras are released to consumers everywhere.....then 'they' let human nature run it's course as we see the Internet do just that. Oooopps.....I guess they have.  I still think the two great disasters in UFOlogy that have hurt it terribly are 'digital cameras', and 'conspiracy theories'. Digital cameras can make anything we see manipulated, and conspiracy theories abound to destroy any scientific and logical objectivity. Particularly since 1979 when Roswell broke into the public mind and into our culture. 'Roswell' occurred in 1947 allegedly, but it really 'started' in 1979. Much of what 'Roswell' has become since being NO fault of Stanton Friedman who really first broke the original story. Thank you Stan. A lot has changed since 1969 when Mufon was started. The internet, Roswell, abduction cases, digital cameras. Mufon and others have ridden this change too..but they maybe failing to see whats happening around them. That golden needle in the haystack....the search in that haystack has become so huge......can anyone hope to ever find anything now? If 'disclosure' ever came, I don't know if we would even recognize it or notice in the din of digital noise. UFO's as a Internet topic is always a hot one, but the internet has allowed all that maybe relevant to be drowned out. No government or 'a cigarette smoking man' did this, we have done it to ourselves. Still.......reports keep coming in. Steven |
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Post by paulette on Jun 2, 2015 11:04:38 GMT -6
Nice to read you on here Steve. I agreed in principal with what you wrote. I also think that hoaxing has become an Internet sport of huge proportions - soliciting money (for someone who doesn't exist, or if they exist they don't have cancer or a child with cancer or even a dog needing extensive surgeries...) Sigh.
I think something else is happening concurrently. We don't believe people anymore. Even people we have no reason to disbelieve. Even people we know and mostly trust. The False Memory Syndrome folks have "proved" that anything we remember is suggestible and subject to distortion. (They did not prove that some memories, even from an early age, are basically as experienced.) They did not disprove that people who have been traumatized may not be able to retreive trauma memories - but they are there and may "pop up" if a similar situation occurs and stirs that particular blend of senses, emotions, etc. John Biere did research on this and did prove that we forget traumatic events quite handly. This feels crazy to the person experiencing it - and then others join in and agree that they are crazy - such a thing never happened. That happens a lot here in the field of experiencers or people strongly drawn to the subject who did no identify themselves as experiencers. Skywalker comes to mind here...
It certainly muddies the water - the blend of bored wacko hoaxers, naysayers, and overly accepting folk who want to believe the truth is out there.
In the midst of it, are individuals like you and I - who may have had a profound experience, want to talk about it, write a book about it, but mostly, for the average Joe who went out on the deck for a cigarette and lost a few hours - really want to forget about it. And if one believes that the Visitors can block or distort memories, it gets even murkier.
I recently looked up UFO sightings on the Texas Coast where I lived from age 7 to 23 and also the little town in Wisconsin where I wandered more freely than any child does now from the ages of 0 to 6, I noted a HUGE amount of current and archieved reports. Not necessarily with pictures, but often the accounts ring true with me because they were so undramatic and well, hokey. No photo-shopped pictures, no accounts of glowing eyes ...instead the usual, we were sitting on the porch and something lit up and metallic drifted over our house. That kind of report. And then he calls his wife and says, "What do you see?" And she says, "What is that Thang?" This is not the stuff of Hollywood wanta be's.
And the boxes and boxes of distant lights in the sky reports that go directly to the back room somewhere if they are reported at all. And a lot of them are reported ad nauseam.
Its an interesting topic for a lot of reasons - it showcases humanity in interesting ways. It shows (IMO) that we yearn for something more than ourselves to focus on. It has all the dramatic variations of memory, false memory, lost memory, recovered memory, hypnotic memory...et cetera.
How is the second book coming Steve? Once again I thank you for your and Mary's correspondence with me in the past.
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Post by auntym on Jun 2, 2015 13:55:20 GMT -6
Strange, but happens all the time when I write things about the occult. I posted the above reply but got an error page from pro boards. I thought I been banned already so wrote a quicky and posted. Behold to my amazement, the first post showed up like nothing happened.
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Post by auntym on Jun 2, 2015 17:08:14 GMT -6
leo...the only way you would be banned here is if you started disrespecting the people here and their beliefs...
I have found the following quote to be true no matter where. "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." Don Marquis - 1934
the only way you would be banned here is if you started disrespecting the people here and their beliefs...
the first time you will get a warning...the second time you will be banned... |
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Post by Steve on Jun 3, 2015 2:13:45 GMT -6
Hi Paulette, The second book 'Aliens Answer 2' should be out now in a few weeks I hope. It is a continuation of Mary's and Hans and Zestras conversations from the first book. The recordings and transcripions continuted steadily for several years you might remember. We had about 250 pages of transcriptions of Marys recordings in 8.5 x 11 pages. But we realized, the translated into 500 pages in a book size page of 6 x 9. So we split the one body of work into two connected books. The second book is more fascinating to me I think. Dr. Kary Mullis, discovery in chemistry for his invention of a process that allows scientists to identify a fragment of DNA genetic code and then reproduce it in very large quantities. One of the great discoveries of modern chemistry—the polymerase chain reaction (PCR). It has permitd making unlimited copies of DNA, and has revolutionized biochemistry almost overnight. Kary Mullis described his discovery in Scientific American “The Unusual Origin of the Polymerase Chain Reaction,” April, 1990. Mullis was awarded the 1993 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his discovery. The book particularly describing the alien viewpoint (perhaps) of Dr. Kary Mullis's 'experience' in 1983 in Mendocino Co. in Northern California. The Swiss 'mountain man' Billy Meirer photos can all be much regarded as wishful fakes. He put out a beautiful coffee table book and when it was released with large format sprints, it was displayed in big bookstore chains everywhere I remember. You knew something was off when his so called contact with alien 'Nordic blondes' showed candid images of Playboy Playmate of the year 1971 of Liv Lindeland. LOL. Jaime Maussan and his little alien which followed Dr Greers little alien. Jaime Mausan I consider the Mexican version of a media Barnum and Bailey. It is all hype and show business masquerading as so called serious research. Muausan has been exposed a number of times quietly in the past. The UFO public for the most part looking the other way. One case by Ruben Uriarte and Mufon head James Carrion became a television program UFO Files basically politely exposing him. Maussan's tabloid UFO stories are popular in Mexican television. Ruben and Jaime have reportedly since made up. And lastly, Linda Moulton Howe is another, her brilliant great work in cattle mutilations (I agree with her conclusions on that issue) since her early work as a investigative journalist and documentarian then has gone all over the place. Whatever sells. I lost all credibility for Linda when I was assigned to investigate as then Mufon's Northern California Chief investigator all the so called UFO images flooding the internet originating from Linda Howe's subscription website coming out of Northern California. There were reports coming into the Mufon Case Management system. In these cases I basically re-introduced a good friend and former Mufon member Mark D'Antonio to analyze these photos. I wanted an expert opinion. Marks reply in his written report of his computer analysis stated not only were they fakes, there were not even good fakes! In my personal investigations for Mufon, the witnesses names and addresses related to these reports were all fictitious names and addresses. When I invistigated others case with the same object in other states....all bogus names and addresses too. All names and addresses dead ends! The witnesses in all the cases submitted simply didn't exist despite Howe's website stating to the contrary. Linda stated any names were 'confidential'. I can understand that, but in so called serious case reports one needs facts. Blatant mis-information! Mark D'Antonio has since become Mufon's new best friend and has become Mufon's chief photo annalist. Good for you Mark! The only conclusion from those particular bogus UFO cases were these were invented to promote Linda's websites subscriptions numbers. All these photos were linked to Linda Moulton Howe and her subscription website. Yet these 'personalities' are everywhere at UFO conventions. Why? They are notable names in the 'UFO Industry', and symposium organizers know they will draw attendance and money, but for hell what? It's not for presenting any substantive evidence, that is for sure! Steven  Another series of well known proven fakes. I personally investigated this case, allegedly taken by a cell phone camera at lake Tahoe in 2007. Linda Howe insisted these cases were real on her website, yet the names and addresses in all the Mufon case files related to photos were all fictitious and the images proven and demonstrated to be very bad fakes. Yet in some UFO websites, they are touted as some of the best UFO photos ever taken! LOL. |
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Post by skywalker on Jun 3, 2015 9:18:42 GMT -6
The people who promote themselves the best are the ones who consistently show up at the symposiums because they have the most name-recognition and popularity. They are the ones who will sell the tickets and draw the audience. Popularity doesn't necessarily have anything to do with facts or being a good investigator however. That same rule could also be applied to politicians and TV evangelists.
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Jun 3, 2015 12:07:33 GMT -6
Well you should. See, everywhere I been kicked from it was the mods who attacked because they didn't like my sort of thinking and someone in a thread felt they had been hurt because I out witt them in their challenge and things turn ugly real quick. Although I handle myself rather well in heated debate, others do not and will soon cry to the authority who comes down on little old me as the defense continues to slam, this guy. The only disrespect I hand out is knowing more than the small thinkers who taunt me over the information I present. As for beliefs, if I write something that bumps someones belief, is that counted towards the road to ban. Or would that be someone is to delicate by nature and must be protected from the reality of their weakness. I didn't come here gunning for trouble, I came here because someone who thinks like myself mentioned this place and I always stop by to see the crowd and entertain them with life. The infinite internet goes on and on, as shall I Hi, Leo.  I don't think you have to worry about being booted off any time soon. I've been reading your posts and so far I haven't seen anything that I would consider to be even the slightest bit inflammatory. You are doing fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 22:23:19 GMT -6
" It’s all in the vibration that people and beings put out. As I stated in another article, if a persons soul is in charge, they know immediately who is who"another quote from Rainbow Radaelli (from growing up with the men in black) and, also from her: "Her frequency, vibrated at an odd oscillation, making her seem scattered, distorted and deranged, which at times made her very uncomfortable to be around. My observations of her first hand, helped me see how a person who is possessed, thinks and acts. One thing I will always remember about her, is that she seemed to flourish, living in a dysfunctional chaotic lifestyle, exasperated by her own negativity that was directed towards other people."(whoever Rainbow is, right now, shes THE BOMB)  ________________________________________________________ For the record, I cannot go, or base my feelings/intuitions on how someone LOOKS. This includes the "shady, bar, half-amused look", unless of course, the person we are referring to is the actor J.A.C. Nicholason (enjoys looking creepy is what I get).  . I do not like it when someone talks "bad" about someone I've never met, and probably never will meet. However, Even with Rules that Bill Gates put out (refer to #6), I think I am entitled to talk "bad" about my own folks because somehow they gave birth to someone who is much less superior than them, and will always feel this way (just kidding!). I read the other day, that if you ask ANYONE to write down a list of 10 people that they need to forgive, the first 3 on the list ALWAYS have mom and dad (and yes, I told this to my own mom, and she agreed) Anyway, someone once on here, said a few "bad" things about the ufo/therapist/writer Jacobs. Or someone of that nature. Eventually, I did look on the internet about this guy, and yeah, there's some "stuff". Why was I surprised? Anyone can write "stuff" about anyone, and even if you are aware yourself that you are being trashed, and it is untrue, or maybe it was true 10 yrs. ago, but you've changed, how could anyone possibly keep up with it all? The hard part, for me, was that other famous guy. You know, the one who's friends tried to strip him of his credentials, after he became involved in this phenomenon, and he died getting hit by a car? I couldn't find anything "bad" on him! How, does anyone do THAT?! Question everything. Don't put yourself on a pedestal. When someone asks you to walk a mile with them; walk 2 miles with them. And the "thing" I found out with working with gradeschoolers for many years. Some kids lie occasionally. Doesn't mean that they lie all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 18:44:07 GMT -6
(laughing) my dad was a public figure. I saw him on TV (when I was a kid) and it seemed like he spoke so slowly and thoughtfully (carefully) that I thought something was wrong with him! I'm no country bumpkin, but the Emma Woods story, wow. And then possibly the "Linda Cortile" story is made up? (Not jacobs fault, if it is, but he should speak up.?) People are so disrespectful of each other. I don't believe people, all on my own. I just don't think all the extra stuff like calling someone an "idget" is really necessary. I try to stay in my own business. If I repeat something I've heard, I'll either tell exactly where I heard it, or say that I can't if I can't. My personal policy is if I can say it out loud, I shouldn't care who hears it, and that includes talking in a way about someone, should they overhear me, that I won't get punched . We can't call it facts just seeing something, hearing something, or reading something. Stick around here long enough, and you'll find out that my would-be rhetorical questions really are wanting an opinion. |
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Hope all is well with everyone. I see there are some new members , thats good. So good to see your names on threads and be back!
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