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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 4, 2015 20:05:35 GMT -6
Hello all, I registered to these forums as it looks like there are a lot of people that share my beliefs on UFOs.
A quick intro, I had an expierence when I was around ten years old that stuck with me all my life. My home growing up overlooked Puget Sound in Washington state. I woke up one night/ early morning to see a bright light about half the size of the moon, over the water. It was much too large to be landing lights of an airplane, and was completely motionless and emitted no sound. If it was an airplane or helicopter that close I surely would have heard it, and again it was way too big to be any sort of lights on an aircraft. After about ten or fifteen seconds it just disappeared. Like a giant spotlight just turning off. That same year I saw a program on TV about some campers that were abducted in the woods who described exactly what I had witnessed.
I have been obsessed with the subject ever since, and am convinced that we are being visited by ETs. A few years ago, I had a boss that was an abductee. This lady was highly educated, very successful and had no reason to lie to me. She was not the kind of person that you would expect to be a UFO believer. Also, my father is a retired Lt. Col. from the air force. (C-130 pilot). Although he never had any first hand expierences, he has many friends that were fellow pilots who have witnessed UFOs. They were instructed not to speak or report these expierences. One of his friends even crashed into the ocean, and was guided out to safety by a glowing orb.
Anyways,that is my personal story, and why I believe. My question to you guys, and the topic at hand is what do y'all think about advancing UFO technology? Viewing videos and photos from the 50s seems to show less advanced technology than what is posted today. Which leads me to believe that their technology is advancing, or what is public and available are just better looking hoaxes. If in fact these beings are millions of years more advanced than we are, doesn't it just make sense that their technology would advance very fast? I mean just look at where we have come in the last twenty years.
Haven't seen a similar topic, so I thought it would be interesting to hear some opinions on it.
Mods, if you would like me to move my introduction to a different thread, feel free or let me know and I will edit. Didn't see an intro thread when I searched.
Look forward to getting to know you guys. Seems like a pretty tight knit group.
-Patrick
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Post by swamprat on Jun 4, 2015 20:49:26 GMT -6
Welcome, Patrick! Good to see your posts! I agree that an advanced civilization can be expected to have rapid technology advancement. It does seem that some of the reported behavior of these craft has become more amazing. Unfortunately, at the same time, mankind's advancements have made the task of creating a hoaxed image much easier. Once we entered the age of digital photography, it became virtually impossible to separate fact from fiction. Today, the study of ufology has been rendered basically worthless due to the high percentage of digital manipulation.
I started studying this phenomenon in the late 1950's. Today, it is a whole different ballgame.
Swamprat
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Post by lois on Jun 4, 2015 23:15:59 GMT -6
Hello all, I registered to these forums as it looks like there are a lot of people that share my beliefs on UFOs. A quick intro, I had an expierence when I was around ten years old that stuck with me all my life. My home growing up overlooked Puget Sound in Washington state. I woke up one night/ early morning to see a bright light about half the size of the moon, over the water. It was much too large to be landing lights of an airplane, and was completely motionless and emitted no sound. If it was an airplane or helicopter that close I surely would have heard it, and again it was way too big to be any sort of lights on an aircraft. After about ten or fifteen seconds it just disappeared. Like a giant spotlight just turning off. That same year I saw a program on TV about some campers that were abducted in the woods who described exactly what I had witnessed. I have been obsessed with the subject ever since, and am convinced that we are being visited by ETs. A few years ago, I had a boss that was an abductee. This lady was highly educated, very successful and had no reason to lie to me. She was not the kind of person that you would expect to be a UFO believer. Also, my father is a retired Lt. Col. from the air force. (C-130 pilot). Although he never had any first hand expierences, he has many friends that were fellow pilots who have witnessed UFOs. They were instructed not to speak or report these expierences. One of his friends even crashed into the ocean, and was guided out to safety by a glowing orb. Anyways,that is my personal story, and why I believe. My question to you guys, and the topic at hand is what do y'all think about advancing UFO technology? Viewing videos and photos from the 50s seems to show less advanced technology than what is posted today. Which leads me to believe that their technology is advancing, or what is public and available are just better looking hoaxes. If in fact these beings are millions of years more advanced than we are, doesn't it just make sense that their technology would advance very fast? I mean just look at where we have come in the last twenty years. Haven't seen a similar topic, so I thought it would be interesting to hear some opinions on it. Mods, if you would like me to move my introduction to a different thread, feel free or let me know and I will edit. Didn't see an intro thread when I searched. Look forward to getting to know you guys. Seems like a pretty tight knit group. -Patrick Welcome Pat. I'm not Mod but agree with you about technology of ETS has changed. At four I witnessed a simple sphere with a platform around it like Saturn. As years went by I seen more advanced ufos Then I witnessed a ufo I called a flying building in 2012. That sure was a large leap in these craft. I use to think the ETS said to them selves 'we will start out with some thing simple so not to scare them" They seem to get braver all the time, this leaves me to believe there may be a contact on its way . My opinion of course. Thanks for joining us here. Most of us go back to the first Mufon forum. Then a couple more and this is the third since. Look forward to your post. We are all here for answers. Anyone who has ever witness a ufo wants answers. We can tell friends here our experiences which we could not otherwise. Lois
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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 4, 2015 23:47:31 GMT -6
Thanks for the replies so far. Seems to me like the more I research all this stuff, the more confused I get. There is just so much misinformation out there, but I believe there is some truth to a lot of what is available.
But I digress.
I have only witnessed one UFO first hand, so I really don't have anything to compare what I saw to, other than the videos, pictures, and info I get online. It just seems obvious that their technology would advance with time. I wish there was some verifiable info out there. It will be interesting to see if disclosure happens within our lifetimes. It will undoubtedly be one of the biggest, or THE biggest rather events in history. Also, it seems like everyone I talk to takes the subject seriously, and I'm not talking about your typical conspiracy theorist. They either know someone, or have had an expierence themselves. I mean it is getting pretty ridiculous IMO. You have sightings with ten, twenty, thirty witnesses who are police officers, doctors, military etc. Not your local dope head that took too many magic mushrooms that day... It will be interesting to see what happens. I was reading an article talking about how China is positioning themselves to reveal a lot of what the US has been suppressing. Imagine how bad that would make our government look. China goes and blows the lid off what the US has been covering up for decades, and reveals to the world how they have been lying and cheating it's citizens out of what their tax dollars have been paying for. But back on track here, I posted another thread about a video I saw years ago on YouTube. It was a little person doing a video blog, and in the background looking through the window was a Grey. It was wearing a suite, helmet and all, and would fade in and out. It looked very much like he was a projection or had a cloaking device of some sort. The video was INCREDIBLE. It was by far the best video of an actual alien I have ever seen. The guy had no idea it was behind him, and if it was a hoax it was done by professionals with access to Hollywood caliber technology. I have never been able to find the video again. I kick myself every time I think about it for not downloading it as A. It clearly demonstrates their advanced technology in action. And B. If proved to be a real video would be absolute undeniable proof of Greys on earth. If anyone knows the video I am talking about please post or pm me the link.
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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 5, 2015 0:39:21 GMT -6
Also how much of our technology was given to us by ETs? I believe a lot of what we have. I also think that the government is decades ahead of even the most advanced stuff that we know about. Just like the blue beads we gave to Native Americans, that is what we are getting. Just a small fraction of what is really available and developed. Those iPads and fancy computers everyone thinks are so high tech are nothing more than the equivalent of blue beads.
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Post by Steve on Jun 5, 2015 8:22:27 GMT -6
I think ET's have given us little to no technology. If they sent us Ipads and fancy computers....then we have been very grossly short changed. Decades ahead? Try perhaps millions of our years? I know this goes against the popular websites and ufo crowd 'mob thought'....most don't even know what they are talking about. We still use inefficient chemical rockets to propel us and objects into space. ET technology? I mean examples in real life applications, not Internet parlor tricks to support a comical flawed belief system. Of course they say....well...it's being denied us! By a greedy few! Economics that drives greed is based on expansion and exploitation of technology, not depriving the majority (the consumers). The fact is that ET technology may exist in our world in the form of visits by others....but human control of such technologies doesn't exist in our world yet. I don't think we would know how to handle it if we did, much less know how it works. We don't even know how gravity works yet. One of the most basic forces in the Universe. We invented all we know so far, I wonder what would life be like if we had not released nuclear energy? The atomic and hydrogen bombs put us into a expensive and scary cold war, but without that cold war we wouldn't have the Internet either. The Cold war gave us ICBM's and digital computers to guide them allowed us to travel to the moon and send unmanned objects far beyond. One of the most underrated influences of technology has been digital computers. Rocket scientist Dr. Wernher von Braun stated without digital computers, there was really no way to aim his huge moon rockets to get us there. German chemists Fritz Haber and Carl Bosch developed the 'Haber Process'. The Haber Process provided Germany with a source of ammonia for the production of explosives, compensating for the Allied trade blockade on Chilean saltpeter during World War 1. It was used to kill thousands with poison gas in that war too, but it also created nitrogen fertilizer too. The little known Haber Process served as the 'detonator' of our current population explosion, due to our new human ability to grow much greater quantities of food too. It has enabled the global population to increase from 1.6 billion in 1900 to today's 7 billion! Technology has many weaves and connected threads not often considered much. Most who say ET's must have given us that technology are igannant of science and live in a anti-science 'organic' paradigm. I'm sure images of mushroom clouds growing up caused this anti-science slant, even though hypocritically we use science every day, every minute in our lives. Any outside influence if there is any, other than culturally.....we all instinctively hope there are ET's out there.... and by law of averages....is probably everywhere.....is not so childishly simple to think someone just handed 'beads' to us. Like inheriting 5 million dollars.....with the condition we must make that sum grow. Would we know suddenly how? If we are to be given technology from ET's....it is probably being withheld in a 'trust' somewhere for the future time when we grow up and reach 'maturity' first....lol. Also, what if ET's gave us the 'Haber Process' instead? Not to benefit us, but to destroy us by stuffing us and over populating and warming up our planet into extinction? Any ET's might want to teach us 'social studies' first. Steve
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Post by auntym on Jun 5, 2015 11:59:38 GMT -6
Also how much of our technology was given to us by ETs? I believe a lot of what we have. I also think that the government is decades ahead of even the most advanced stuff that we know about. Just like the blue beads we gave to Native Americans, that is what we are getting. Just a small fraction of what is really available and developed. Those iPads and fancy computers everyone thinks are so high tech are nothing more than the equivalent of blue beads. i believe the ET'S gave us this technology knowing we would be able to advance ourselves with it... we're not totally (forgive the word) stupid...
nor are we smart enough where we would have come up with these ideas on our own...
our advancements in technology has only come about in the past 100+ years...that alone should tell us we had help...
i believe we are still getting this alien help...i just hope its from the good guys...
just my humble biased opinion...
WELCOME TO THE FORUM PAT...I'VE ENJOYED YOUR COMMENTS...
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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 5, 2015 12:01:11 GMT -6
Steve, I have thought of it your way. Definitely possible that nothing we have was influenced by ET technology. Exactly like if we were to travel back two hundred years, and drop a laptop. The people back then would have no clue how to even operate it, let alone reverse engineer it. But, IMHO we have been influenced, and I like to think that I base my viewpoints around science, and not an organic paradigm or whatever it was. Lol
I really don't know how you can say digital computers are the most underrated invention of the last century. They are regarded as one of the greatest inventions of mankind...
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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 5, 2015 12:16:00 GMT -6
Also how much of our technology was given to us by ETs? I believe a lot of what we have. I also think that the government is decades ahead of even the most advanced stuff that we know about. Just like the blue beads we gave to Native Americans, that is what we are getting. Just a small fraction of what is really available and developed. Those iPads and fancy computers everyone thinks are so high tech are nothing more than the equivalent of blue beads. i believe the ET'S gave us this technology knowing we would be able to advance ourselves with it... we're not totally (forgive the word) stupid...
nor are we smart enough where we would have come up with these ideas on our own...
our advancements in technology has only come about in the past 100+ years...that alone should tell us we had help...
i believe we are still getting this alien help...i just hope its from the good guys...
just my humble biased opinion...
WELCOME TO THE FORUM PAT...I'VE ENJOYED YOUR COMMENTS... Thanks auntym. I have read many of your posts before joining and contributing, and I can say I enjoy your content very much!
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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 5, 2015 14:14:42 GMT -6
Also, I should've posted my reasoning for believing that we have been influenced by ET tech. My old boss that I mentioned above reported her experience to some organization, can't remember what one. She came home to see a UFO that had landed in her back yard with tubes coming down to the ground. Telepathically she was told "we are just scientists, don't worry", and the next thing she remembered was waking up in her bed with a bloody nose. Apparently her sighting of the tubes was very rare, like only a handful of reports have seen these things. She was contacted, interviewed and her property was investigated by a company that tries to develope UFO technology. Coming from her, this is as good as factual to me. She was a very trusted lead figure in my life, and I 100% believe everything she had to say.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 23:16:45 GMT -6
. . . I had an expierence when I was around ten years old that stuck with me all my life. My home growing up overlooked Puget Sound in Washington state. I woke up one night/ early morning to see a bright light about half the size of the moon, over the water. It was much too large to be landing lights of an airplane, and was completely motionless and emitted no sound. If it was an airplane or helicopter that close I surely would have heard it, and again it was way too big to be any sort of lights on an aircraft. After about ten or fifteen seconds it just disappeared. Like a giant spotlight just turning off. That same year I saw a program on TV about some campers that were abducted in the woods who described exactly what I had witnessed. Welcome Patrick! Love this (above)! I can't count how many times I've heard this sort of story/weird coincidence, on how "someone got your attention" on this subject. It wasn't that easy for me, but no matter . I agree that our government, our military, and private companies of humans, are literally decades ahead of what we know is really going on with technology. Law enforcement had computers during the Charles Manson murders, but didn't know how to check with other computers for a "criminal list". When we thought the military was still just using "walkie talkies", they had cell phones. Before it was obvious that football coaches were wearing expensive motorola@ headsets, who do you think had been using much smaller sets for years? And this is just in communication, which probably came out earlier than what they (our government) would have liked. Other things, may not be so hard to keep secret. No one mentioned in their posts here, "kevlar" material. I guess I need to get updated myself on whether that was actually an influence. . . I think we are influenced through our mind. Alexander Graham Bell (and others) had methods for tapping in their "personal" subconscious and or/dreams. If an "ET" group is telepathic, what's wrong with doing it that way? I may as well tell you, if you hadn't already noticed, LOL, I believe (somewhat) in "myths" that have been handed down like Promtheus giving us fire (not referring to the Scott brothers movie of the same name)... why did the "gods" get mad at him for giving us fire? That may not be the true story, there might be a whole different story, etc., but human cultures all over the world "share" stories that sound like we once shared the story. What did humans do for a hoax back then? same thing they do now. Tell lots of lies; repeat lies, and either not understand the truth or leave it out completely. Oh, and have real people hide inside statues and pull strings to make the statues seem to move. LOL.
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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 6, 2015 23:43:03 GMT -6
Yeah, for me personally it seems way too synchronous to be just coincidence. I had a period there where I swear I was being communicated with through metaphors. I would walk into a room at a specific time to hear a commercial just say the right thing to my subconscious. There is definitely something else going on here. What exactly it is, I have no idea. It is fascinating to me none the less, and is comforting to know (for me anyways) that there is more than meets the eye.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 9:34:26 GMT -6
Yeah, for me personally it seems way too synchronous to be just coincidence. I had a period there where I swear I was being communicated with through metaphors. I would walk into a room at a specific time to hear a commercial just say the right thing to my subconscious. There is definitely something else going on here. What exactly it is, I have no idea. It is fascinating to me none the less, and is comforting to know (for me anyways) that there is more than meets the eye. Thanks for your reply Around 2007-2008 there was a lady on ?mufon forum that said the same thing had happened to her with the TV. It sounds impossible, no? Here we are, 7 to 8 years later, and it's happened enough times to different people that we have to consider (reconsider) the fabric of our reality. I don't want to suppose that we feel the same sort of comfort . . . care to explain how you feel comforted?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 9:51:25 GMT -6
"Also, it seems like everyone I talk to takes the subject seriously, and I'm not talking about your typical conspiracy theorist. They either know someone, or have had an expierence themselves. I mean it is getting pretty ridiculous IMO. You have sightings with ten, twenty, thirty witnesses who are police officers, doctors, military etc. "
Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/5746/advancing-ufo-technology-hello#ixzz3cOJnez1r__________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I also find this fascinating I still don't talk openly with any one about this subject. We had a bunch of sightings near Kansas City, Mo. one fall not too long ago, and the subject seemed pretty "casual" for awhile. I think that I could bring up the subject with anyone, but it just wouldn't last in the conversation, unless I happened to meet someone with some "bottled-up experience". IDK. I hear the professional witness thing, too. But mostly from the 'net. Anyone can get on here, and read all about us. I think I'm still fairly anonymous. I'm just curious to know where it is that you live (general area) that people take this subject seriously. Thanks!
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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 7, 2015 13:51:25 GMT -6
jcurio, I guess I feel comforted because my experiences have convinced me that there is more going on here than meets the eye. Just gives me piece of mind that there in fact may be a creator, higher intelligence etc.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 7, 2015 19:40:37 GMT -6
The topic of whether ET technology has changed over the past few decades is an interesting one. In some ways you could say that it has. Back in the 1950s people reported seeing mainly saucer-shaped discs of the typical flying saucer design whereas now there are a lot more triangles and orbs being reported. Also they seem to have developed the ability to make themselves invisible which started around the 1960s after about a decade of our planes trying to chase after them and shoot them down. They may have had those technologies already though and just weren't using them before. Something else you might consider though is whether or not their technology would change. Human technology has been evolving in leaps and bounds over the past few centuries because we were extremely primitive before that. Just a hundred years ago people were still riding around on horses and wagons and now we have planes, trains, automobiles, space shuttles, computers and all sorts of other techno-goodies. The more technology we develop the more new technology we discover. But what will our technological progress look like a thousand years from now? Or a million? Is it possible that some day we may actually learn all we can about our immediate universe and cease to be able to make any new technological break-throughs? Maybe ETs have already reached that point. If that's the case their technology would not be changing very much, if at all. As for technology that ET may potentially have given us, memory metal jumps into my mind. An actual metal that behaves like the metal reported by witnesses at the Roswell crash site, that was developed by a defense contractor who does work for Wright/Patterson AFB where some of the Roswell debris was originally claimed to have been taken, and the program just happened to have been started in 1947. That sounds like one heck of a coincidence to me. I don't think the ETs intended for us to have that advanced technology though. Giving humans stuff like that would be like handing a hand grenade to a chimpanzee. It would only be a matter of time before somebody got blown up.
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