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Post by auntym on Apr 22, 2016 13:15:39 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 15:40:52 GMT -6
Nah...I don't believe
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Post by auntym on Apr 30, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -6
Nah...I don't believe
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Post by paulette on Apr 30, 2016 16:10:56 GMT -6
I didn't catch anyone debunking anything. bob is showing some clips and saying that, well, they have to be real UFO's. Well...they may well be UFO's but not necessarily alien space craft or drone like orbs. Could be lots of things from here. Might be some of them are from "there". Wherever there is.
As for "believing". Since I've uncovered memories and had some that never were forgotten to be uncovered, I'd say I'm not a believer. I'm an experiencer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 22:34:50 GMT -6
I have experienced so much, not only with the abduction of my friend and I but angel messages and what I came back with when my heart stopped...that I have to believe. I don't mind knowing all of this exists..in fact it's comforting to know that I'm seeing only a wee fraction of what there is and I know....when my time here is complete that I'll know so much more. Which is the message I came back with from that surgery...there IS so much more. I felt I was 'allowed' that much...and I felt blessed to know it. So...I suppose no choice was given me..I experience, I accept, I believe. Ever since, I've told as many people as will listen because..well..what is there to fear?
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Post by lois on May 1, 2016 22:41:34 GMT -6
I may not know about this video. One seems to believe by what has happen to them. And Of course I believe all of you here has experience what I have. When you mix the spiritual and the physic with ufos and Aliens something is happening far beyond what we see in our daily lives and what we have been taught I want to remember what happen in the time I have left.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 13:17:34 GMT -6
I totally understand and agree Lois
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Post by lois on May 14, 2016 17:28:22 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 9:38:18 GMT -6
Lois it looks to me like someone doctored film of Osprey on a flight deck (and a helicopter). I say this because the men on the flight deck aren't all gathered at the edge with binoculars..they're focused on the run up's they're doing before take off..and no one was 'dispatched' to check it out. If that was a UFO (or even an identified object) over a navy vessel, someone would be scrambling to identify. It said this was in 2016 and military is pretty jumpy right now about air space and 'visitors' in the area. With Russia playing games etc. That would have been more of a big deal.
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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 25, 2016 1:55:50 GMT -6
"I have experienced so much, not only with the abduction of my friend and I but angel messages and what I came back with when my heart stopped...that I have to believe. I don't mind knowing all of this exists..in fact it's comforting ...there IS so much more
I felt I was 'allowed' that much...and I felt blessed to know it." -Jk
Thank you Jk, This is exactly why I am so fascinated with this subject. It proves we just see the tip of the iceberg here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 12:16:22 GMT -6
a fraction of what's out there. I know other dimensions exist..other 'layers' of reality...that things are not nearly as cut and dried as we believe. We tend to believe only in what is obvious to us. I do know that a closed mind is our natural enemy. We have to see other viewpoints ..not be afraid of the realities of others..we have to be willing to experience what we're unsure of..or we will remain here stuck in the muck of our own lack of imagination. People really can astral travel..visit other worlds through remote viewing....what I see..are people so struck by what they were told as children..what they learned in catechism..or bible school or church..and who taught them these things? Men did. Men who were making their own interpretations of bibles. Wasn't God that came down on a cloud and told them how to believe. It was men..it was old..and it was meant to tell people how to get along..not how to close off the mind. But that is what a lot of people took from early 'spiritual' education. My father was a bonified jerk who ran my mother off..but he did serve me well enough on a couple of points. He was raised a Southern Baptist..those people aren't much fun at all. He would drop me off alone at a different church each Sunday (I was about 8) and told me I should adopt which ever church I liked. Too bad there wasn't a church of the free thinker or a wiccan church or even a druid church..LOL. Nah there was Lutheran, and Methodist, and Seventh Day Adventist and on and on.. they were all alike. Don't think follow the scripture...Oh they all had their quirks..the Mormon with their lost tribes, Catholic ceremonies around Christmas are gorgeous..just amazing..and so are Lutheran. But..they didn't vary. Don't think this is the way it is. Well...guess what. It isn't. And if you're going to question anything..question that. Mind you this is my own belief system..what I know in my heart is true and no one will follow that..who is not meant to. I know that too. There IS so much more..keep looking.
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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 25, 2016 13:16:51 GMT -6
I agree, and have come to the conclusion that for whatever reason we aren't supposed to know in this lifetime. I spent a very long time thoroughly researching Terrance McKenna, and DMT reports. I never personally got into psychedelics, however I sincerely believe that DMT does in fact seperate your consciousness from body, and gives you a glimps of the higher spacial dimensions. There are too many similarities to be coincidence. I remember a very powerful report was from a man who traveled to some spiritual sanctuary with ultra enlightened monks, with DMT. He gave some to a monk and his response was, "Yeah, so what? That's as far as you can go without dying." i wonder how many of our friends are coming from other dimensions as opposed to other planets? Recurring themeS of these trips that people describe ARE
instantly having an epiphany and remembering how everything works. (IE, the big questions) Coming in contact with various beings, some of which are friendly and empathetic, some that are far above us. Being told they aren't supposed to be there, and they need to return. Everyone that "breaks through" crosses a threshold dubbed the cristhanthamum (sp?), and witnesses indescribable detail and lteral architecture that eerily resembles our pyramids and other BC designs. However, experiences are so profound that most are changed forever much like an NDE. DMT trips do not follow NDE reports at all I should note. This leads me to believe either that space is right below death as the monk described, or is a vivid hallucination that lies in all of our subconscious. The latter seeming unlikely as how would eveyone view such a similar hallucination? Before you go trying it, a PhD software engineer I'm good friends with claims he's broken through hundreds of not a thousand times. He doesn't use it anymore. His reasoning is that higher dimension is rigged, and nothing more than a trap designed to capture your life force energy for higher beings to exploit. If you get caught, he believes you are eternally screwed basically. As crazy as this sounds he said they haven't invented a method of capturing DMT users yet, but they're working on it. Lmao This guy was dead serious and isn't your typical hippie... Anyways , not sure how I went off on that tangent but the u have it.
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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 25, 2016 13:38:47 GMT -6
Oh yeah And a famous excerpt of McKenna's is something like, The problem with the UFO guys is they don't have repeatability. They can't prove that any of their claims exist. I can, and encourage anyone with a desire and ten spare minutes to do so. You want aliens? Well, they will be there with the right dose, guaranteed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 20:29:47 GMT -6
Men did. Men who were making their own interpretations of bibles. Wasn't God that came down on a cloud and told them how to believe. It was men..it was old..and it was meant to tell people how to get along..not how to close off the mind. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/user/1138/recent#ixzz4CeDCCLsJ*** You left out a big piece. Men also insisted that they were the only ones that could interpret, or read signs, etc., and used this to "lord" power over other people. The seperating of people into different religions, has by itself served to close minds. Thats not the same as saying that different cultures can worship at the same church. "Southern Baptist", or Catholic, or even "Jew" , have no bounderies on diversity and culture. The first "jews" came out of Africa; just like the rest of us. When is the last time you read more than a few verses out of that Book? There's something in there for everyone. It still "speaks" to me. I do a lot more absorbing when I read on my own as compared to listening to a lecture or a speech. You all know, the most complaining that I do about the Book, is that someone purposely left out pages! Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 21:20:57 GMT -6
I've read it..not in a long while..but it doesn't speak to me..God does..angels do..not the book. Although I am very close to the book of revelations. It's actually the beginning of everything. I do readily admit that in times of stress for me..I quote the 23'd psalm like it's a lifeline..it has been many times. Gads..the other night I was 'disturbed' in a persistent wakeful/sleepful/not aware of sleep state. I hate those. Anyway.. I was trying to recite the prayer and I was furious with myself because I kept falling asleep before I could finish..I'd jerk awake and start all over just to do the same. That went on for awhile..before I finally hit very deep sleep and somewhere along the way finished it. Same reason I don't say prayers before bed but during the early evening..I can't sleep well if I don't finish them..like I'm insulting God..and that is a left over from the abduction thing. I was saying that prayer then and they'd keep knocking me out with a brain whammy. So...somethings just won't let go.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 21:29:01 GMT -6
I can agree with some of that Patsbox. I've never heard other warnings of the 'higher' dimensions..those are purported to be the domains of higher beings..those devoted to purity of existence..takes a bit of doing to reach those..years of a different intense spiritual study. I think..in our present form..we're not exactly capable. He (McKennna) may be a bit 'out there' for me. Or maybe it's just that our approaches are very different..we can agree that..there is so much more out there I would't try to slow you down for the world..everything you learn..that you can learn has value when you're hunting the illusive. The unseen the unknown are only that until we see them and know them. Ya? thirdmonk.net/knowledge/terence-mckenna-simulation-theory.html
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 11:54:24 GMT -6
and that is a left over from the abduction thing. I was saying that prayer then and they'd keep knocking me out with a brain whammy. So...somethings just won't let go. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/6404/believe#ixzz4Ci1hBeqt**** Oh wow, Jo. I am so sorry that I never knew this "detail" of you praying during . . That is definitely maddening
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 11:58:06 GMT -6
On the bright side, Just saying the words (either out loud or in my head) "The Lord is my Shepherd; I DO want" is something I will say in times of stress!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 15:26:21 GMT -6
Well..the idea is that you shall not go wanting because He will provide..and I guess he did..I haven't died a time or two when I sure could have. I've always prayed in times of stress..I was praying when the stupid grey stuffed something in my ear when I was a child. They 'hear' strong emotion. Most of the time..I 'discuss' things with God or the angels..talk like I do to any other person..but there are those times when I am soothed by the psalm...it just seems to fortify me...and why not hang onto a good thing
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 18:54:37 GMT -6
Yes, I know. But I like my childhood interpretation. "To NOT want someone to guide me, to choose the path that is full of briers and wild animals", etc.. Foolish child! Now do you understand? He often speaks to me through his Word, depending on when, why, and how I read it- pointing out such- it is the purest kind of magic!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 22:02:50 GMT -6
I believe we choose what the learning experience when we come here. Naturally you have to believe in reincarnation to follow that line but I do. I see them..faces behind faces of what people have been in life-times. Sometimes. Not always but enough that I know when someone is a very old soul and has been around the block a lot of times..is nearing the end of the travels. What we elect to experience can't be interfered with. There ARE rules. We can be aided..watched over..encouraged but not interfered with. We pick the path..to the destination..I'm guessing that sometimes the path doesn't have to be as hard as we make it..and this has led to some horrific discord within my self. How in the devil could I have set this particular trial? ..blah blah blah. In my right mind I'd NEVER have chosen something like this..was I nuts?? Am I nuts?? OMG it's 'me' I'm talking about. Not a life I would choose for myself but I did..too hard..too cryptic...to too tooooo...complicated. Yeah..I've had a lot of discussions and prayers regarding what things I set up for myself to accomplish or learn. What WAS the purpose of this??? I riot a lot. I can be so very un-placid. With me. A world of patience with everyone else...not so with me. So..the only thing that troubles me about dying. I'm not worried about 'moving on' because I already have that nailed..we never ever end. But..do I go back to being the idiotic me who set me on this particular journey or..do I get to remain the 'who' that I am..the one I've worked on and worked over and worked with..to survive all of this. Who has anguished and begged and prayed and finally realized that there are rules God himself can't break. But will I be who I am or some version I wouldn't even like?
These are the things that can disturb a promising night's sleep.
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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 27, 2016 7:39:49 GMT -6
I'm thinking if it's anything different it would be a higher self version. Much like you have always been the same person even since adolescence, but you are much more experienced.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 10:03:43 GMT -6
relax before we tackle the next challenge. Take two eternities off after this one J, it was especially difficult. When you're ready, go and complete the Grey chapter before universe creation 101. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/user/3997/recent#ixzz4CjkhEYI7**** When I talked about something incredibly similar to this, I was interjecting in a long conversation between TT (Time traveler) and Bewildered (years ago! on the mufon forum). At the time, I believe that these two individuals ignored my "interjecting", because they were having an intense conversation, and the things I was "throwing in there" were actually very rude. Unfortunately, I haven't changed very much. Especially on this "issue".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 10:38:27 GMT -6
Ugh. I'm not trying to be cryptic, or unclear. I'll just tell you what my "reality" is. And there's nothing wrong with it being different than Cliffs reality, or this other persons, or THIS other person. . . Because there really ARE so many different versions, and you can only deal with what YOU are supposed to deal with. Somehow, despite all the differences, it is cohesive. And yes, I agree that there may be one class, or level, whathaveyou, that is strictly "greys 101". . Sometimes, that is just how things are "presented". Sigh~ this is my first time on Planet Earth. As a human, or any other entity; spiritual or otherwise. I am not alone. And it is more than my Creator that is with me. This is me talking (writing); an individual. All these "memories" I have, are not mine. Sometimes these memories FEEL like mine, because these other "minds" are always so close by, and memories sometimes get interwoven - and what am I to do with this? This particular factor, makes it all so confusing! (And it's not supposed to be this way- the "memories" are supposed to integrate in a way that I would never notice that they weren't my own!) Enough said. You can choose to argue with me about my particular "life". You can quietly (or noisily) accept that for some reason, this is my reality. I dont even know if "this" will post.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 10:45:17 GMT -6
I remember some of those conversations between TT and Bewildered. I miss Bewildered..he was pretty thought provoking sometimes...and I like things that make people not take things for granted. I accept and on some level, I've always known I had a hand in my life situation. But I've sure played the blame game..the fury at my self centered parents..the alcoholism..the cruelty he was capable of without actually knowing what he was doing..the whole 'Stockholm syndrome' thing that I can sort of understand now and find forgiveness for them because...I know they figured into the 'master plan'. Oh that sounds so stupid...but...it's true. I would arrived at who I am..or evolved the psychic thing..if he had been different.. He forced me inward. For a bouncing baby Leo..that's pretty amazing. We're usually very extroverted. I am now a lot more than I was...but you don't find that little piece buried in your brain if your childhood is full of steady, safe, loving, nurturing...interactive parents. You find that chunk if you're a lonely kid and your friends are in your head..your imagination. I still have the habit of inserting myself into any number of scenarios...like mini books...where I'm the hero..I've solved the problem..etc. It is a lot easier to be close to other realms..to God..to angels..if you're not so tethered and grounded to someone else's reality.
So..the stage was set to provide parents who would provide that lack of consistency..but..it took a LOT and a LOT of years to finally come to grips with it. I did it. I don't know why yet. I can't see my own outcome I've never been able to see for me..phooey.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 10:49:39 GMT -6
So, it DID post. So, just to be crystal clear on ONE thing; just so I am not misunderstood! (What I am saying, anyway). My friend Jo says, that when she looks at a person, she sees glimpses of who that person was before; an old soul; etc. When I look at a person, I see these other people as "attachments" along for the ride. We both are correct.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 17:52:09 GMT -6
Basically the same..yes the perception is only slightly different. I see past personalities..very much a part of what has evolved the present persona. Yech..I surely could have shortened that down to something understandable. LOL I think also that the more we have done this..the closer the past personalities become and will influence the present. Some people do remember them. It has also made me wonder about some mental disorders..naturally..the multiple personalities..schizophrenia..others I'm not thinking of at the moment. I also think...maybe unfortunately...that the journey to a destination..is pretty scrutinized eventually. The person didn't set out to be a bank robber and experience that..but along the path to the destination he became one..or became a killer..took a wrong turn? Or desired to understand the mind of.. There are sure plenty of options to play with. Did I choose the parents I did because I was that kind of parent? Heady stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 19:31:57 GMT -6
At ten minutes and thirty something seconds into this, Ms Fenton gives a portion of "her story".
At approx. 27 minutes and thirty something seconds, Plutronus begins to explain to her "the tree of life". And how it possibly relates to "her story".
This is one of the best explanations I have heard.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 22:04:13 GMT -6
a fraction of what's out there. I know other dimensions exist..other 'layers' of reality...that things are not nearly as cut and dried as we believe. We tend to believe only in what is obvious to us. I do know that a closed mind is our natural enemy. We have to see other viewpoints ..not be afraid of the realities of others..we have to be willing to experience what we're unsure of..or we will remain here stuck in the muck of our own lack of imagination. People really can astral travel..visit other worlds through remote viewing....what I see..are people so struck by what they were told as children..what they learned in catechism..or bible school or church..and who taught them these things? Men did. Men who were making their own interpretations of bibles. Wasn't God that came down on a cloud and told them how to believe. It was men..it was old..and it was meant to tell people how to get along..not how to close off the mind. But that is what a lot of people took from early 'spiritual' education. My father was a bonified jerk who ran my mother off..but he did serve me well enough on a couple of points. He was raised a Southern Baptist..those people aren't much fun at all. He would drop me off alone at a different church each Sunday (I was about 8) and told me I should adopt which ever church I liked. Too bad there wasn't a church of the free thinker or a wiccan church or even a druid church..LOL. Nah there was Lutheran, and Methodist, and Seventh Day Adventist and on and on.. they were all alike. Don't think follow the scripture...Oh they all had their quirks..the Mormon with their lost tribes, Catholic ceremonies around Christmas are gorgeous..just amazing..and so are Lutheran. But..they didn't vary. Don't think this is the way it is. Well...guess what. It isn't. And if you're going to question anything..question that. Mind you this is my own belief system..what I know in my heart is true and no one will follow that..who is not meant to. I know that too. There IS so much more..keep looking. ............................................................................................................................................................................ Freethinker ? I am.....mostly anyhow.....I question EVERYTHING !!! You asked in another post : What is there to fear ? Lol...fear itself. ( Hehe ) You never cease to amaze me......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 0:17:27 GMT -6
You never cease to amaze me too...you just keep growing up..and up. Fear..is the ultimate evil. There are such amazing minds here. What people have gone through has strengthened them..molded them..and brought out such depths..taught them to think and share and not be afraid to share. It's so awesome. This place..has saved my sanity more than once. I owe Sky much more than I could ever repay. Next incarnation LOL.
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