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Post by swamprat on Feb 16, 2018 19:21:58 GMT -6
Posted by Kelly Xxxxx on Facebook:
Okay, I’ll be the bad guy and say what no one else is brave enough to say, but wants to say. I’ll take all the criticism and attacks from everyone because you know what? I’m a TEACHER. I live this life daily. And I wouldn’t do anything else! But I also know daily I could end up in an active shooter situation.
Until we, as a country, are willing to get serious and talk about mental health issues, lack of available care for the mental health issues, lack of discipline in the home, horrendous lack of parental support when the schools are trying to control horrible behavior at school (oh no! Not MY KID. What did YOU do to cause my kid to react that way?), lack of moral values, and yes, I’ll say it-violent video games that take away all sensitivity to ANY compassion for others’ lives, as well as reality TV that makes it commonplace for people to constantly scream up in each others’ faces and not value any other person but themselves, we will have a gun problem in school. Our kids don’t understand the permanency of death anymore!!!
I grew up with guns. Everyone knows that. But you know what? My parents NEVER supported any bad behavior from me. I was terrified of doing something bad at school, as I would have not had a life until I corrected the problem and straightened my *bleep* out. My parents invaded my life. They knew where I was ALL the time. They made me have a curfew. They made me wake them up when I got home. They made me respect their rules. They had full control of their house, and at any time could and would go through every inch of my bedroom, backpack, pockets, anything! Parents: it’s time to STEP UP! Be the parent that actually gives a crap! Be the annoying mom that pries and knows what your kid is doing. STOP being their friend. They have enough “friends” at school. Be their parent. Being the “cool mom” means not a damn thing when either your kid is dead or your kid kills other people because they were allowed to have their space and privacy in YOUR HOME. I’ll say it again. My home was filled with guns growing up. For God’s sake, my daddy was an 82nd Airborne Ranger who lost half his face serving our country. But you know what? I never dreamed of shooting anyone with his guns. I never dreamed of taking one! I was taught respect for human life, compassion, rules, common decency, and most of all, I was taught that until I moved out, my life and bedroom wasn’t mine...it was theirs. And they were going to know what was happening because they loved me and wanted the best for me.
There. Say that I’m a horrible person. I didn’t bring up gun control, and I will refuse to debate it with anyone. This post wasn’t about gun control. This was me, loving the crap out of people and wanting the best for them. This was about my school babies and knowing that God created each one for greatness, and just wanting them to reach their futures. It’s about 20 years ago this year I started my teaching career. Violence was not this bad 20 years ago. Lack of compassion wasn’t this bad 20 years ago. And God knows 20 years ago that I wasn’t afraid daily to call a parent because I KNEW that 9 out of 10 would cuss me out, tell me to go to Hell, call the news on me, call the school board on me, or post all over FaceBook about me because I called to let them know what their child chose to do at school...because they are a NORMAL kid!!!!!
Those 17 lives mattered. When are we going to take our own responsibility seriously?
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This lady nails it. After 42 years in manufacturing, when I retired I went to work in the office of a pre-K thru 8 charter school. I could not believe what I saw on a continuing basis regarding parents and the way they approached raising their children. This, "the world owes me a living" BS has to stop!
Yes, given the number of police calls to his house, and given the warnings to the FBI, there is no way this young man should have been allowed to own any gun, let alone an AR-15. We need to adjust our laws and our back-ground checks accordingly. However, THAT is not the root cause/solution to this kind of problem. He could have borrowed a weapon, he could have stolen one, he could have made a bomb, he could have gotten some rat poison. Until parents and the family unit get back to performing the way they should, we will continue to see disasters.
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Post by auntym on Feb 16, 2018 21:00:12 GMT -6
www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/us/cartoonists-school-shootings-trnd/index.html?sr=twCNN021618cartoonists-school-shootings-trnd0432PMStoryGal Cartoonist taps into outrage to illustrate another school shootingBy David Williams, CNN / www.cnn.com/profiles/david-williams Fri February 16, 2018 (CNN)If you want to be a political cartoonist in this age of mass shootings and school massacres, you had better get good at drawing guns -- revolvers, shotguns, AK-47s, Glocks and, of course, the AR-15 that has been used to devastating effect in attacks in towns and cities around the United States. But Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist Mike Luckovich didn't feature a gun in his comic after the Valentine's Day shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Instead, he focused on the fear so many parents felt after a gunman killed 17 people at the Florida school. "We should not have to worry about our kids going off to school," he said. These are the 17 lives taken in Florida school shooting: www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-shooting-victims-school/index.htmlLuckovich has been a political cartoonist since 1984 and has drawn for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution since 1989. He says he doesn't know how many cartoons he's done on gun violence. He recently tried Googling it, but the best answer he could come up with was "there's a lot of them." Luckovich says his anger and frustration over the issue helps him find new ways to cover the story. "With gun violence, these mass shootings, there's something in me it gets my adrenaline going," he said. "I get so worked up about this that when it happens over and over again I still find ways to make my points." Luckovich reserves particular ire for the National Rifle Association and the politicians he says are working with the organization to block laws that might reduce gun violence. "Get out of bed with them and do something," he said. He says he'd really like to see Republicans and Democrats work together and do something. Until that happens, he says, he'll keep drawing. "My anger and my shock and sadness really helps propel me, and that helps me focus and concentrate," he said. "I really wish I didn't have to." MORE CARTOONS: www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/us/cartoonists-school-shootings-trnd/index.html?sr=twCNN021618cartoonists-school-shootings-trnd0432PMStoryGal
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Post by plutronus on Feb 17, 2018 5:24:23 GMT -6
The Edge of Reality > General Discussion > The Florida School Shooting SwampRat, The majority of ReptiliCans want the right to own guns, while the DonkeyCrats, desire some (as yet undefined) federal level mandated gun control that somehow manifests all the guns off the street. As much I dislike either political culture eg, the donkeys or the reps, they all (discounting the 'dreamers') are BOTH American, both are entitled, but both can not have it both ways. I propose a different direction. Treat firearm ownership more seriously than an individual being awarded the legal right and priveldge of driving an automobile or an airplane, or a motorcycle. A license to own a gun must be treated more responsibly by all involved, including the government. I do not propose just registration but a process, that will enable those who are qualified to own and operate a gun. They must earn the priviledged to own a gun. This may be seen as stop-gap or even extreme, but in time, it is an architecture that can 'tuned', and adjusted, to be palatable for both interests and at the same time to greatly reduce the magnitude of gun violence being experienced in America. Let us ALL make America Great Again, and SAFE, by doing what we have always done in the past, by working together. Automobiles are designed to transport people safely; Guns are designed to kill. The Gun Purchase and Ownership License Proposal - Applicant shall be 21 yro, (just like buying booze),
- Each gun purchase, not purchased within 7 business days, will require re-application and reproof of all requirements.
- Mandated in-gun-store remotely connected to police crime record database checking service, purchase can not be approved until this check is completed. The process is mandated by federal law, violation of which is a felony, should there be a wrongful death the seller shall be treated as an accomplice. The authentication of requirement shall verify prior to any gun sale, authentication that prospective buyer has not been convicted of any gun related crimes, domestic violence, felony, or pending court actions. The process would function similarly in the manner that California DMV SMOG stations are required to operate.
- Gun applicant shall present proof of having attended a government certified school that teach, along with written and performance tests (when applicable) in the proper usage of firearms, their handling, safety and shooting. The Schools shall not be affiliated with either gun-manufacturing businesses or gun sales stores or individuals affiliated with either.
- Gun applicant shall present proof of having attended a police certified gun-laws indoctrination and punishment laws for improper usage school.
- Gun apllicant shall present health certification, must present certification of good eyesight and shall hot have any medical record of mental illness.
- As with any federal license, all gun owners will be required to renew their license periodically and in some instances, will require re-testing to determine further eligibility to retain their gun ownership license.
- Hunting permits, gun-range usage, will all require a federally issued upto-date gun ownership license.
- Any peace officer may request a gun owner to present their license upon request.
- Usage of a gun, without a federally issued and in-status gun license, will be treated as a felony crime.
- All gun possesions shall require ownership and usage licensing.
- Posession of a firearm previously acuired before gun-ownership licensing was begun shall require applying for a license, else the owner is in violation of federal law.
- Any citizen owning a firearm who is not licensed to own that firearm shall be commiting a felony, shall be arrested and firearm confiscated and destroyed.
Ownership License Revocation- Usage of a gun during the commission of a crime shall cause license revocation.
- Usage of a gun while drinking, shall cause license revocation.
- Usage of a gun while smoking marijuana (recreational usage is legal in many states) shall cause license revocation.
- Any improper handling or usage of a gun shall be basis for license revocation....
The above is a bit rough, it is an outline of the style of laws that need be enacted. The enactment or derivitives of the above will not preclude all future gun deaths, but given time, will have an overall, and evermore progressive positive reduction of the many wrongful gun deaths that occur daily in the United States. Think about it, work on it, add to it, pass it around, let us work to toward a solution that, while it may not be overly welcomed by many Americans who are accustomed to getting what they want, freely, and when they want it, yet still enables a path to responsible gun ownership and management of gun licensing, while weeding-out significant numbers of undesirable persons from attaining lawfully purchased firearms. plutronusAmerica First
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Post by skywalker on Feb 17, 2018 9:29:33 GMT -6
I could probably agree to the vast majority of that. It's pretty much what people already have to go through to get a license to carry. I doubt it would stop the mass murderers though. Taking guns out of the hands of wacko idiot mass murderers might remove one of their favorite tools but they could just as easily build a bomb out of a pressure cooker, or drive a truck through a crowd of people, or poison the food supply. Murderers can always find new way to murder.
What really needs to be addressed are the societal deficiencies that are encouraging idiots to behave that way. Things like drugs, mental illness, lack of discipline, violent video games and tv shows, social media which glorifies bad behavior...all of those things are contributing factors. People spend so much time staring at cell phones and tv/computer screens that they forget how to interact with real people. Human life has been devalued to the point where some people just don't give a damn about anything.
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Post by auntym on Feb 17, 2018 12:15:03 GMT -6
www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/opinions/florida-shooting-no-more-opinion-kasky/index.html?sr=twCNN021518florida-shooting-no-more-opinion-kasky0704PMStoryGal Parkland student: My generation won't stand for this By Cameron Kasky / Fri February 16, 2018 EDITORS NOTE: "Cameron Kasky is a 17-year-old junior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. He and his brother Holden survived Wednesday's school shooting at their Parkland, Florida, high school. The views expressed in this commentary are his own."(CNN)I thought it was going to be a wonderful day. My high school, Marjory Stoneman Douglas, was full of cheerful students -- many of whom were celebrating Valentine's Day with one another. Even those who didn't have a Valentine seemed like they could find reasons to smile. But then, of course, everything changed. Toward the end of the day, I went to pick up my little brother Holden from the special needs classroom. As we exited the school, the fire alarm went off. And as we retreated to the parking lot, per fire drill procedure, we were told to run back inside. It was very confusing, especially since I was surrounded by special needs students. But the truth is, nobody really knew what was going on. We huddled in a room, listening to terrifying noises we couldn't quite identify, and spent an hour plagued by uncontrolled anxiety ... waiting for answers. Waiting for somebody to either come in and shoot us or come in and tell us everything was going to be OK. Eventually, the SWAT team came in and did an excellent job taking care of the students with disabilities. We were then escorted to our evacuation location and, after hours of confusion and terror, my brother and I made it home. Though we made it home, 17 people didn't. Those 17 people were murdered on the grounds of a school that has always felt like the safest place to be in a town that's been called the safest town in Florida. We can't ignore the issues of gun control that this tragedy raises. And so, I'm asking -- no, demanding -- we take action now. Why? Because at the end of the day, the students at my school felt one shared experience -- our politicians abandoned us by failing to keep guns out of schools. But this time, my classmates and I are going to hold them to account. This time we are going to pressure them to take action. This time we are going to force them to spend more energy protecting human lives than unborn fetuses. One of the most frustrating arguments I've heard is that it wasn't the Republican Party that killed those people and it wasn't the National Rifle Association -- it was the shooter himself. I understand where they are coming from. I do not believe this was a direct attack from the Republicans or their close allies at the NRA. However, the shooter is not the only one responsible for this tragedy. While the alleged shooter may have had several issues, he also lived in a society where Sen. Marco Rubio refuses to take responsibility for the role gun culture may have played in this tragedy. And there is no denying that the NRA continues to donate millions of dollars to politicians at every level of government. Then those politicians -- often "family values" conservatives -- rile up their base by making them think that "liberals" are going to take their guns away. Not knowing any better, some of these people stockpile guns in advance of a gun ban that never comes, and the gun manufacturers and the NRA make millions. But the truth is that the politicians on both sides of the aisle are to blame. The Republicans, generally speaking, take large donations from the NRA and are therefore beholden to their cruel agenda. And the Democrats lack the organization and the votes to do anything about it. I'm just a high school student, and I do not pretend to have all of the answers. However, even in my position, I can see that there is desperate need for change -- change that starts by folks showing up to the polls and voting all those individuals who are in the back pockets of gun lobbyists out of office. Please do it for me. Do it for my fellow classmates. We can't vote, but you can, so make it count. WATCH VIDEO: www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/opinions/florida-shooting-no-more-opinion-kasky/index.html?sr=twCNN021518florida-shooting-no-more-opinion-kasky0704PMStoryGal
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Post by auntym on Feb 17, 2018 12:59:22 GMT -6
www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/parkland-shooting-fbi-tipster/index.html FBI says it didn't act on tip about Parkland shooterBy Shimon Prokupecz, CNN / www.cnn.com/profiles/shimon-prokupecz-profile Sat February 17, 2018 FBI admits failure to act on tip Washington (CNN)The FBI failed to act on a tip about Nikolas Cruz, the confessed shooter in the Parkland, Florida, school massacre, the bureau said in a statement on Friday. A person close to Cruz contacted the FBI on January 5 to report concerns about him, the FBI said in a statement Friday. But the bureau did not appropriately follow established protocols in following up on the tip. "The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time," the statement said. The stunning admission -- which prompted Florida Gov. Rick Scott to call on FBI Director Christopher Wray to resign -- is sure to raise further questions about whether the FBI could have prevented the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, which left 17 dead. From 'broken child' to mass killerThe FBI said the caller provided information about "Cruz's gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting." The information should have been assessed as a "potential threat to life," the bureau said. Wray said the bureau is still investigating what happened."We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy," Wray said in the statement. "All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it." Attorney General Jeff Sessions ordered a review Friday into how the Justice Department and FBI respond to indications of potential violence. The Justice Department will review not just how the Cruz tip was missed but how authorities respond to similar situations, Sessions said. "We will make this a top priority," Sessions said in a statement. "It has never been more important to encourage every person in every community to spot the warning signs and alert law enforcement. Do not assume someone else will step up -- all of us must be vigilant. Our children's lives depend on it." Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida, also called for the House and Senate to conduct investigations into how the FBI reviews public tips in similar instances. Disturbing signsCruz has confessed to police to being the gunman, according to a probable cause affidavit. His public defender described him as a "deeply disturbed, emotionally broken" young man who is coming to grips with the pain he has caused. But as details about Cruz have emerged, so have indications that signs were missed in the months leading up to Wednesday's rampage. On Thursday, it was revealed that the FBI also was warned in September about a possible school shooting threat from a YouTube user with the same name as Cruz, according to a video blogger. Ben Bennight, the 36-year-old YouTube video blogger from Mississippi, noticed in September an alarming comment on a video he'd posted. He told CNN he immediately contacted the FBI. "Im going to be a professional school shooter," read the comment, left by a user with the name Nikolas Cruz. And documents obtained by CNN show that law enforcement officers responded to Cruz's house on 39 occasions over a seven-year period. No police reports were immediately available for those calls so it was not possible to determine whether Cruz was involved. Meanwhile, Cruz's digital footprint offers other disturbing glimpses into his mind. He hurled slurs at blacks and Muslims, and according to the Anti-Defamation League, had ties to white supremacists. He said he would shoot people with his AR-15 and singled out police and anti-fascist protesters as deserving of his vengeance. WATCH VIDEO: www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/parkland-shooting-fbi-tipster/index.html
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Post by auntym on Feb 17, 2018 14:02:49 GMT -6
The Edge of Reality > General Discussion > The Florida School Shooting The majority of ReptiliCans want the right to own guns, while the DonkeyCrats, desire some (as yet undefined) federal level mandated gun control that somehow manifests all the guns off the street. As much I dislike either political culture eg, the donkeys or the reps, they all (discounting the 'dreamers') are BOTH American, both are entitled, but both can not have it both ways. plutronusAmerica First plutronus...that is NOT what the democrats want...and if you believe that you are not doing your homework... or maybe you don't care about getting what you post right... let me help enlighten youthey want to put a lock on assault weapons,the automatic and semi automatic weapons ...the AR15's and all weapons in this category... the public should not have access to this type of weapon, they were originally made for the armed services not the average person on the street... they do not want to take your handgun away from you WHERE THE DEMOCRATS STAND ON GUN CONTROL Right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulationWe recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements--like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole--so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few. Source: 2012 Democratic Party Platform , Sep 4, 2012 Reauthorize assault weapons ban, close gun show loopholeWe will protect Americans’ Second Amendment right to own firearms, and we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists by fighting gun crime, reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole, as President Bush proposed and failed to do. Source: The Democratic Platform for America, p.18 , Jul 10, 2004 Strengthen gun control to reduce violenceDemocrats passed the Brady Law and the Assault Weapons Ban. We increased federal, state, and local gun crime prosecution by 22 percent since 1992. Now gun crime is down by 35 percent. Now we must do even more. We need mandatory child safety locks. We should require a photo license I.D., a background check, and a gun safety test to buy a new handgun. We support more federal gun prosecutors and giving states and communities another 10,000 prosecutors to fight gun crime. www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Gun_Control.htm here's the other side of the coin...
WHERE THE REPUBLICANS STAND ON GUN CONTROLwww.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republican_Party_Gun_Control.htm
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Post by randy on Feb 17, 2018 21:45:28 GMT -6
All I know about is what I read on the internet some things like always lately dont add up A witness stated that there were up to three shooters not one. Most interesting the witness said there was gun powder all over the floor Only one kind of ammo does that blanks So who was shooting blanks and why Blank brass is rather destinctive too bad no one picked up one. The one captured shooter was taking mind altering legal drugs which can lead to violent acting out. How does a kid buy a gun of any type. Where did he get the cash to do that. With a history of mental issues he would be banned from buying a gun in a background check. Perhaps the kid is just another fall guy who advertised his wish to be a school shooter. Why blanks is a big question Just noise makers. A shooter drill was schduled for about the time of the actual shooting marvelous coincidence some students thought it was the drill in progress. Black ops who knows makes great propaganda for anti gun folks I suspect everyone of lies and fraud in such things
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Post by auntym on Feb 20, 2018 19:02:05 GMT -6
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Post by swamprat on Feb 21, 2018 9:47:29 GMT -6
Wow! Another example of the family unit at its finest.....Woman who cared for Florida gunman reportedly wants to control his inheritanceBy Nicole Darrah, Gregg Re | Fox News February 21, 2018
Just one day after the shooting massacre last week at a Florida high school, the woman who cared for the alleged shooter and his brother filed court papers seeking control of their inheritance, which could total up to $800,000, according to the New York Post.
Roxanne Deschamps also had Zachary Cruz, the brother of shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz, involuntarily committed to a mental facility shortly after the massacre, the Post reported, citing a family source.
Deschamps, a longtime family friend of the Cruz brothers, began looking after them after their adoptive mother, Lynda, died of pneumonia in November.
Meanwhile, the Broward County Sheriff’s Office filed a motion on Tuesday asking the court to determine whether Nikolas Cruz is indigent and eligible for a taxpayer-funded defense...
www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/21/woman-who-cared-for-florida-gunman-reportedly-wants-to-control-his-inheritance.html
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Post by randy on Feb 21, 2018 11:34:37 GMT -6
I still think the idea of blank ammo being used at the Fla shooting needs to be explored. Also one witness was talking to the captured shooter while shots were being fired down the hall by someone else a second shooter the rise of student activists is interesting One such David Hogg has emerged as the media focus. He is the son of an FBI agent takes multiple camera shoots to get his lines right for the media He was involved in a confrontation in Rodondo Beach Calif and at that time was listed as a local student in that area His picture is in that high schools year book Talking with a friend in special forces he is very suspicious of some of the mass shootings that have happened That is all I can say on that issue at the moment I have spooky friends
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Post by randy on Feb 21, 2018 12:00:13 GMT -6
Listening to some of the students speak at a rally I am really taken by how much they sound like the 1960s anti war protestors using the same terms they used in some cases. I is amazing to me how fast things are clicking into place considering they are supposed to be high school kids doing this The speeches are well written and it well organized. The shooter arrived at the school in an uber taxi. Where was the gun when he was in the taxi. A rifle is kind of bulky and it would rather suspicious for a kid holding the rifle to get out at a high school Interesting question Was it at the site already prepositioned
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Post by jcurio on Feb 21, 2018 20:46:39 GMT -6
I have spooky friends ***************
Maybe so. Most of the time, you just say that you “ overhear “ certain conversations.....
I also noticed that you talked a lot about !wxaxoright before the “new show” was presented on tv.
All I can say, is you may think I’m crazy 🤪. But when you have “these kind of friends”, everyone knows that you shouldn’t talk this way about them
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Post by skywalker on Feb 21, 2018 21:14:24 GMT -6
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Post by casper on Feb 21, 2018 21:18:56 GMT -6
These kids are down there protesting and wanting gun control but it was a kid that did the shooting. they should protest themselves.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 21, 2018 21:42:19 GMT -6
Well, Casper was here. I managed to get his computer working for about five minutes and then it broke again.
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Post by randy on Feb 22, 2018 13:25:09 GMT -6
Now they say that police were at the school shooting blanks for the schduled drill OK where did they go during the shooting by the criminal for real. Would the shooter have entered hearing shots and seeing police cars out side assuming the officers didnt walk to the school. Who really saw the blank shooting officers Who were they for interviews. How does the shooter get into a taxi with a rifle and the driver not notice. A rifle is bulky you cant fold it to fit a back pack Yes I have spooky friends like the one where a black unmarked helicopter hovered in front of his house eye to eye for a long period of time. Retired special forces. One is a navy seal. Some are police. They talk and I can only say so much without talking too much. The world is not pick chiffon and teddy bears.
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Post by randy on Feb 24, 2018 16:04:34 GMT -6
Seems there was a sheriffs deputy on duty at the school who did not confront the shooter but stayed out side. Next came four more deputies who also stayed out side Finally city police arrived who confronted the shooter stopping him Shooters come in two types one being the classic nut job the other being from shooters are us. A created shooter. It is common now for special forces to get training and experience in the military and then leave become a mercenary in effect still ccntroled by the US govt but not under the restraints imposed on the official military Go any where do any thing needed. I am not saying they become shooters Certainly the Florida shooter created an image of a raving lunatic. yet he was not touched by the FBI nor was he stopped from buying firearm When the shooting started the local Sheriff deputy at the scene did nothing Four more Deputies first to arrive at the scene did nothing at all about it, Local police arrived and stopped the shooter The shooter said demon voices told him what to do. Is he a schizophrenic or a manchurian candidate. Many shooters hear voices that tell them what to do it seems Most self destruct after the deed. This one is alive. It will be interesting to see if the voices angle is pursued at all. mean while by literally waving the bloody shirt politics is king to attack the 2nd amendment with the idea of killing it Oddly some of this was erased after I wrote it out
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Post by skywalker on Feb 24, 2018 22:45:00 GMT -6
Conspiracy or government ineptitude. It's hard to tell the difference nowadays. And we're supposed to put our lives and safety on the hands of these imbeciles?
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Post by auntym on Feb 25, 2018 13:11:11 GMT -6
www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/politics/sheriff-israel-sotu-full-transcript/index.html?sr=twCNN022518sheriff-israel-sotu-full-transcript1122AMStory Read the full transcript of Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel's interview on 'State of the Union' Sun February 25, 2018 See Tapper's full interview with Sheriff Israel 27:59 (CNN)JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: Hello. I'm Jake Tapper in Washington, where the state of our union is still raw in the wake of the tragedy in Florida.President Trump and Florida's Republican governor have promised action, including some proposals to change existing gun laws. And a brand-new CNN poll now shows support for stricter gun purchasing laws at its highest level of the last 25 years, with 70 percent now saying that they back new, more restrictive gun legislation. Nearly two-thirds think government and society can take action that will effectively prevent future mass shootings. That's much higher than CNN polls after the tragedies in Las Vegas, and Orlando, and Charleston, and Sandy Hook, suggesting perhaps, perhaps the shooting in Parkland, Florida, has shifted public opinion in a way other incidents have not. But there are also new questions about the numerous missed red flags about the shooter and the immediate response. Coral Springs sources tell me, in addition to the school resource officer, when Coral Springs arrived on the scene, they were surprised to find three other Broward County sheriff's deputies who had not yet entered the school. The Broward County denies those reports, saying only one deputy was there during the time of the shooting, while the shooter was there. But what about in its immediate aftermath, when it was still an active shooter situation and victims were in desperate need of help? Read the full transcript of Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel's interview on 'State of the Union' Joining me now to discuss all of this is Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel. Sheriff, thanks so much for joining us. I appreciate it. I want you to take a listen to Stoneman Douglas senior Brandon Huff talking about your deputy, the school resource officer, Scot Peterson. CONTINUE READING: www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/politics/sheriff-israel-sotu-full-transcript/index.html?sr=twCNN022518sheriff-israel-sotu-full-transcript1122AMStory
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Post by auntym on Feb 26, 2018 15:55:08 GMT -6
www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/us/rainbow-over-marjory-stoneman-douglas-trnd/index.html?sr=twCNN022618rainbow-over-marjory-stoneman-douglas-trnd0200PMStory
When teachers returned to work at Marjory Stoneman Douglas, they were greeted by a rainbowBy Mercedes Leguizamon and Saeed Ahmed, CNN / February 26, 2018 (CNN)Monday was the first official work day at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School since the deadly shooting there almost two weeks ago. And when teachers and staff arrived at the Parkland, Florida, school, they were greeted by signs of support -- and a gorgeous rainbow poking through the clouds. Erica Rakow, a reporter with CNN affiliate WPLG, captured it on video. The February 14 attack by a former student resulted in the deaths of 17 people. But even though the last two weeks have been emotionally excruciating, school must continue. So on Monday, teachers reported to work, two days before their students are back in class. As they were driving into the school, teachers and staff were greeted by signs of support. "Welcome back! We love you," the signs said. The building where the shooting occurred will remain closed. School officials are working with students who don't want to return to Stoneman Douglas to arrange for a transfer. Superintendent Robert Runcie said officials will be accommodating and take measures including counselors and service dogs in classrooms. WATCH VIDEO: www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/us/rainbow-over-marjory-stoneman-douglas-trnd/index.html?sr=twCNN022618rainbow-over-marjory-stoneman-douglas-trnd0200PMStory
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Post by auntym on Feb 27, 2018 14:53:54 GMT -6
www.scientificamerican.com/article/if-you-want-to-know-how-to-stop-school-shootings-ask-the-secret-service/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sa-editorial-social&utm_content=&utm_term=mind_partner_&sf183146852=1 If You Want to Know How to Stop School Shootings, Ask the Secret ServiceDozens of attacks have followed patterns that the Secret Service and U.S. Department of Education identified in 2002, following the Columbine attack By Jeff Daniels, The Conversation US / www.scientificamerican.com/author/jeff-daniels/ February 27, 2018 The following essay is reprinted with permission from The Conversation, an online publication covering the latest research.The Conversation While President Donald Trump has not shied away from offering suggestions on how to prevent school shootings—including one controversial idea to arm teachers—what often gets overlooked in the conversation is research on the subject that has already been done. This research includes one major study of school shootings conducted in part by the very agency charged with protecting the president of the United States himself—the U.S. Secret Service. Has this research been ignored or just forgotten? I raise the question as one who has studied averted school shootings and the news coverage that followed. Two months after the Columbine tragedy in 1999, experts from the U.S. Department of Education and the U.S. Secret Service collaborated to study the “school shooter” phenomenon. They published the study on their findings in 2002. The study focused on examining the thinking, planning and other behaviors of students who carried out school attacks. Particular attention was given to identifying pre-attack behaviors and communications that might be detectable—or “knowable”—and could help prevent future attacks. The team studied 37 school shootings involving 41 attackers that took place from December 1974 through May 2000. Data included investigative, school, court and mental health records. In addition, 10 school shooters were interviewed to gain their perspectives from “conceptualization to execution” of the attacks. A series of findings emerged. In light of the Florida school shooting massacre and the fact that the alleged shooter drew a lot of attention prior to carrying out the shooting, those findings bear repeating here. 1. “Incidents of targeted violence at school rarely were sudden, impulsive acts.” Most attackers progressed through a process that started with an idea, to a plan, to accessing weapons and ending with the attack. If noticed, this process may be interrupted at any time before the attack. 2. “Prior to most incidents, other people knew about the attacker’s idea and/or plan to attack.” The implication is that schools must develop a culture that promotes student sharing of concerns about others. In studying schools that averted a shooting, I and other researchers found that a key factor was establishing trusting relationships with students. We also found that the notion of “snitching” needed to be reframed to being helpful. Unfortunately, it seems that in the case of the Parkland shooting, multiple people did come forward with concerns. The alleged shooter was on several different radars, but unless he was posing an imminent danger to himself or others, he couldn’t be jailed or forced to receive psychological services. It therefore becomes an issue of individual versus collective rights. Unless we are ready as a society to lock people up for disturbing communications, there will be some individuals who will fall through the proverbial cracks. 3. Along similar lines, most attackers “engaged in some behavior prior to the incident that caused others concern or indicated a need for help.” Some of these behaviors included talking about bringing a gun to school, or warning friends to avoid a certain area of the school on a given day. The Parkland shooter had a history of violent and aggressive behavior, including Instagram posts about becoming a “professional school shooter.” 4. While most attackers—96 percent—were male, the report found that there “is no accurate or useful ‘profile’ of students who engaged in targeted school violence.” Three-quarters of the attackers were white; one-quarter of the attackers came from other racial and ethnic backgrounds, including African-American (12 percent), Hispanic (5 percent), Native Alaskan (2 percent), Native American (2 percent) and Asian (2 percent). Most came from intact families, were doing well in school and were not loners, according to the report. 5. “Most attackers had difficulty coping with significant losses or personal failures. Moreover, many had considered or attempted suicide.” Knowing the students and what they are dealing with in their lives, such as parental divorce, ending of a relationship or other failures is important for getting help in a timely manner. The Parkland shooter’s adoptive mother died of pneumonia just three months prior to his deadly attack. And at age 5, he also witnessed his father die of a heart attack. 6. “Many attackers felt bullied, persecuted or injured by others prior to the attack.” Almost two-thirds reported being targeted by others prior to the attack, with some claiming to have withstood severe bullying for a long time. There is evidence that Nikolas Cruz was often mocked for his odd behavior. Following the publication of the Secret Service study on school shootings, my research on averted school shootings found that schools that prevented a shooting had done some of the things recommended by the Secret Service. The case in Florida shows that many of these recommendations were followed and people spoke up when they saw something wrong. The issue is whether authorities need more power to intervene once they have been made aware of a potential threat, or whether they just need to do a better job with the power they already have. This article was originally published on The Conversation. Read the original article: theconversation.com/if-you-want-to-know-how-to-stop-school-shootings-ask-the-secret-service-92333
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Post by randy on Feb 28, 2018 13:47:33 GMT -6
I like a nice neat crime scene with everything out in the open and tidy. Unfortunately as of late shootings are far from tidy with all aspects clearly understood. far too often there is disinformation out to the public. Why is that. the Sheriff deputies at the scene stood down then the medical responders now it seems were told to stand down and not allowed to act for a period of time during which victims may have died doe to lack of care. Standing back and viewing things without emotional reactions to things It could be that unknown actors may have wanted things to happen this way for political reasons I trust no one in things like this anymore. the shooter established an image for the public that was well defined but nothing was done about that by anyone. When he did act people were playing cards out side while he did the deed. I feel the public is being lead by the nose like a horse. You will think this and do that on command idea. I dont like being lead by the nose. Certainly this will be exploited to the max and people who had nothing to do with the shooting will be blamed for it for political gain. As a side issue Dicks sporting goods has not sold assault rifles for six years to that is hpe by them on that
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Post by jcurio on Mar 9, 2018 17:54:28 GMT -6
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Post by auntym on Mar 24, 2018 11:32:09 GMT -6
apnews.com/8f1ed175286a40eb9086e0d6588f1924/Hundreds-of-thousands-march-for-gun-control-in-the-US Hundreds of thousands march for gun control in the USBy ASHRAF KHALIL and CALVIN WOODWARD / 3-24-2018 People take part in a march rally against gun violence Saturday, March 24, 2018, in New York. Tens of thousands of people poured into the nation’s capital and cities across America on Saturday to march for gun control and ignite political activism among the young. (AP Photo/Craig Ruttle) WASHINGTON (AP) — Summoned to action by student survivors of the Florida school shooting, hundreds of thousands of teenagers and their supporters rallied in the nation’s capital and cities across America on Saturday to press for gun control in one of the biggest youth protests since the Vietnam era. Organizers of the March for Our Lives rally in Washington hoped their protest would match in numbers and spirit last year’s women’s march, one of the biggest protests in the capital since the Vietnam era and one that far exceeded predictions of 300,000 demonstrators. Bearing signs reading “We Are the Change,” ″No More Silence” and “Keep NRA Money Out of Politics,” protesters packed Pennsylvania Avenue from the stage near the Capitol, stretching many blocks back toward the White House. “We will continue to fight for our dead friends,” Delaney Tarr, a survivor of the Florida tragedy, declared from the stage. The crowd roared with approval as she laid down the students’ central demand: a ban on “weapons of war” for all but warriors. President Donald Trump was in Florida for the weekend. A motorcade took him to his West Palm Beach golf club in the morning. Tens of thousands swarmed into the nation’s capital to march for gun control and ignite political activism among the young. Teenage marchers are pledging to vote in November for candidates that will listen to their cries for gun control. (March 24) Demonstrators cheer during a “March for Our Lives” protest for gun legislation and school safety Saturday, March 24, 2018. Students and activists across the country planned events Saturday in conjunction with a Washington march spearheaded by teens from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., where over a dozen people were killed in February. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip) “It’s pretty simple for me,” said Zoe Tate, 11, from Gaithersburg Middle School in Maryland, explaining why she marched in Washington. “I think guns are dumb. It’s scary enough with the security guards we have in school. We don’t need teachers carrying guns now. I find it amazing that I have to explain that idea to adults.” Said her mother, Maria Blaeuer: “For our kids, feeling safe is fundamental, and they don’t feel safe.” Large rallies also unfolded in such cities as Boston; New York; Chicago; Houston; Fort Worth, Texas; Minneapolis; and Parkland, Florida, the site of the Feb. 14 attack at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School that left 17 people dead. The police presence was heavy as more than 20,000 people filled a park near the Florida school, chanting slogans such as “Enough is enough” and carrying signs that read “Why do your guns matter more than our lives?” and “Our ballots will stop bullets.” The National Rifle Association went silent on Twitter on Saturday morning, in contrast to its reaction to the nationwide school walkouts against gun violence March 14, when it tweeted a photo of an assault rifle and the message “I’ll control my own guns, thank you.” As of early afternoon, Trump himself had yet to weigh in on Twitter about the protests. Crowds of people hold signs on Pennsylvania Avenue at the “March for Our Lives” rally in support of gun control, Saturday, March 24, 2018, in Washington. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon) About 30 gun-rights supporters staged a counter-demonstration in front of the FBI headquarters, standing quietly with signs such as “Armed Victims Live Longer” and “Stop Violating Civil Rights.” Gun violence was fresh for some in the Washington crowd: Ayanne Johnson of Great Mills High School in Maryland held a sign declaring, “I March for Jaelynn,” honoring Jaelynn Willey, who died Thursday two days after being shot by a classmate at the school. A boy was injured in the attack, and the shooter died. Michael Rocco, an 18-year-old freshman at Emerson College in Boston, came to Washington to support the students’ calls for banning high-capacity magazines and assault-type rifles like the one used by the Florida killer, tightening background checks and school security, and raising the age to buy guns. He said he grew up in an era of school violence. “I’ve been genuinely terrified of mass shooting,” he said. “When I was a kid, I was always scared to go to movie theaters because I was afraid I was going to be killed.” Rallying outside the New Hampshire Statehouse in Concord, 17-year-old Leeza Richter said: “Our government will do more to stop us from walking out than it will to stop a gunman from walking in.” Protesters hold up signs outside the US Embassy in London, Saturday March 24, 2018, in solidarity with the “March for Our Lives” protest against gun violence. (Stefan Rousseau/PA via AP) Since the bloodshed in Florida, students have tapped into a current of gun control sentiment that has been building for years — yet still faces a powerful foe in the NRA and its supporters. Organizers hope the passions of the crowds and the under-18 roster of speakers will translate into a tipping point starting with the midterm congressional elections this fall. In Atlanta, Lindsey Alexander, a freshman at Decatur High School in Decatur, Georgia, attended her first protest, inspired by hearing Parkland students debate the NRA on television. “If nothing changes, we’re going to continue to have school shootings,” she said. “I understand the Second Amendment is important. We’ve always had this right. But when the Founding Fathers put that right in place, they didn’t mean it to become what it is today.” Polls indicate that public opinion nationwide may be shifting on an issue that has simmered for generations, and through dozens of mass shootings. A new poll conducted by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that 69 percent of Americans think gun laws in the U.S. should be tightened. That’s up from 61 percent who said the same in October 2016 and 55 percent when the AP first asked the question in October 2013. Overall, 90 percent of Democrats, 50 percent of Republicans and 54 percent of gun owners now favor stricter gun control laws. But even with claims of historic social momentum on the issue of gun control, the AP poll also found that nearly half of Americans do not expect elected officials to take action. Among the questions facing march organizers and participants will be how to translate this one-day event into legislative change. One way they hope to do that is by registering young voters and channeling energy into the midterm elections. ___ Associated Press writers Terry Spencer in Parkland, Florida; Jacob Jordan in Atlanta; and Holly Ramer in Concord, New Hampshire, contributed to this report. apnews.com/8f1ed175286a40eb9086e0d6588f1924/Hundreds-of-thousands-march-for-gun-control-in-the-US Massive crowds rally across US to urge tighter gun control laws: www.aol.com/article/news/2018/03/24/massive-crowds-rally-across-us-to-urge-tighter-gun-control-laws/23394361/White House applauds gun violence protesters for 'exercising their First Amendment rights' thehill.com/homenews/administration/380080-white-house-applauds-gun-violence-protestors-for-exercising-their
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Post by auntym on Mar 24, 2018 11:56:16 GMT -6
www.rollingstone.com/music/news/paul-mccartney-attends-march-for-our-lives-rally-in-new-york-w518350 Paul McCartney Remembers John Lennon at March for Our Lives Rally in New York "One of my best friends was killed in gun violence right around here, so it's important to me," Beatles legend says of John LennonBy Daniel Kreps / www.rollingstone.com/contributor/daniel-kreps3-24-2018 Paul McCartney attended a March for Our Lives sister protest in New York to support those demanding an end to gun violence. Spencer Platt Paul McCartney attended a March for Our Lives sister protest in New York, one of the dozens of rallies taking place throughout the United States Saturday. "You have to create momentum on the ground that points the nation in the direction it needs to go," says Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action In a brief interview with CNN at the rally, the Beatles legend said, "One of my best friends was killed in gun violence right around here, so it's important to me," referring to the murder of John Lennon in 1980. McCartney, wearing a shirt that read "We Can End Gun Violence," also told CNN that while he didn't know whether the rallies or anything would ultimately end gun violence, "This is what we can do, so I'm here to do it." McCartney added that he attended the New York march "just to support the people." McCarney was one of the many artists and celebrities joining the thousands of students in the streets demanding an end to gun violence and stricter gun control laws. At the main rally in Washington, D.C., Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato, Lin-Manuel Miranda and Ben Platt, Vic Mensa and Common all took the stage to provide musical interludes between the speeches delivered by victims of gun violence, including the students of Parkland, Florida's Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. www.rollingstone.com/music/news/paul-mccartney-attends-march-for-our-lives-rally-in-new-york-w518350*************************************************
MARCH FOR OUR LIVES: twitter.com/hashtag/MarchForOurLives?src=hashCBS Miami Published on Mar 24, 2018 Lin-Manuel Miranda and Ben Platt perform 'Found Tonight' at the March For Our Lives rally in Washington, D.C. Here's their full performance.
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Post by auntym on Mar 24, 2018 12:33:56 GMT -6
www.aol.com/article/news/2018/03/24/counterprotesters-plan-a-march-for-our-guns-rally-in-montana/23394387/ Counterprotesters plan a 'March for Our Guns' rally in MontanaAlex Lasker, AOL.com / Mar 24th 2018 As hundreds of thousands of activists across the country gather at March For Our Lives rallies to demand tighter gun control laws, a group of Second Amendment enthusiasts is planning a protest of its own. According to the "March For Our Guns" website, the movement was created by citizens "who will no longer risk the leftist agenda of seizing the opportunity to diminish our abilities to keep and bear arms." "Politicians are correct in telling us that now is not the time to talk about guns," wrote the movement's organizers. "March For Our Guns is in 100% agreement. Alarmist leftist rhetoric should not take the guns from law-abiding youth that use the firearms to hunt and provide for their families." The provided agenda for the counterprotest, which is set to begin at 12 p.m. MDT, or 2 p.m. EST, includes a call to order, a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance and speeches from Montana Representative Seth Berglee and a group of youth speakers, among others. Joey Chester, an 18-year-old College Republican at Montana State University who is slated to speak at the pro-gun rights rally, told NPR that organizers have said they expect a turn out of 500 people or more. "I think it's going to be a pretty big crowd," he said. breaking-news logo In contrast, it is estimated that over 500,000 will partake in the March for Our Lives rally in Washington, D.C, alone. www.aol.com/article/news/2018/03/24/counterprotesters-plan-a-march-for-our-guns-rally-in-montana/23394387/
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Post by auntym on Mar 24, 2018 13:45:08 GMT -6
www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/us/march-for-our-lives-emma-gonzalez/index.html?sr=twCNN032418march-for-our-lives-emma-gonzalez0308PMStory Emma Gonzalez stood on stage for 6 minutes - the length of the Parkland gunman's shooting spreeBy Dakin Andone, CNN / www.cnn.com/profiles/dakin-andone Sat March 24, 2018 (CNN)Emma Gonzalez, a student and survivor of the Parkland, Florida, stood on stage at the March for Our Lives for 6 minutes and 20 seconds. "Six minutes and about 20 seconds," she said. "In a little over 6 minutes, 17 of our friends were taken from us, 15 were injured and everyone in the Douglas community was forever altered." "Everyone who was there understands. Everyone who has been touched by the cold grip of gun violence understands. For us, long, tearful, chaotic hours in the scorching afternoon sun were spent not knowing. No one understood the extent of what had happened." "No one could believe that there were bodies in that building waiting to be identified for over a day. No one knew that the people who were missing had stopped breathing long before any of us had even known that a code red had been called." It only took 6 minutes and 20 seconds, Gonzalez said, for a gunman and an AR-15 to extinguish the lives of the 17 students and faculty had died. She repeated the names of each of the victims and the things they would never do again. Then, she stopped speaking. Silence gripped Gonzalez as tears rolled down her cheeks, and the crowd broke through with random chants. But mostly, silence. After 4 minutes and 25 seconds, a timer went off. "Since the time that I came out here," she said, "it has been 6 minutes and 20 seconds. The shooter has ceased shooting and will soon abandon his rifle, blend in with the students as the escape and walk free for an hour before arrest." "Fight for your lives before it's someone else's job," she said, and left the stage. www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/us/march-for-our-lives-emma-gonzalez/index.html?sr=twCNN032418march-for-our-lives-emma-gonzalez0308PMStory************************************************* David Hogg's 'March For Our Lives' SpeechPublished on Mar 24, 2018 Stoneman Douglas student David Hogg speaks at the March For Our Lives rally in Washington D.C..************************************************ Shooting survivor to politicians: We want change or we'll vote you outwww.aol.com/article/news/2018/03/24/shooting-survivor-to-politicians-we-want-change-or-well-vote-you-out/23394434/
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Post by auntym on Mar 24, 2018 14:02:20 GMT -6
www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/europe/young-marcher-powerful-sign-trnd/index.html This marcher is only 6. But as her sign says, so were the Sandy Hook victimsBy Amanda Jackson CNN / www.cnn.com/profiles/amanda-jackson-profile Sat March 24, 2018 (CNN)Amidst the sea of protesters who gathered in London for a March of Lives demonstration stood 6-year-old Ella -- holding a sign that made it powerfully clear why she was there. "I am 6," it said. "So were they." Ella's mom, Wendy Tarpley-Naylor, is from Georgia but went to study in the UK in 2008. She told CNN she held her daughter as a baby after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut. "(Ella) understands about the children who died at Newtown and responded, 'But they were only little kids! People who want to hurt others should not be allowed to have a gun!'" Ella's mother agreed. "It took moving 6000 miles to a country where most police don't even have guns," she told CNN, "but I have done a 180 on common sense gun reform."
www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/europe/young-marcher-powerful-sign-trnd/index.html
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Post by jojustjo on Mar 26, 2018 10:00:25 GMT -6
Oh little girl don't you know that was just staged for gun control??? That's not me talking. The kids are scared. When the cold war was rampaging we only had to worry about Russian missiles and mushroom clouds..now they have to worry about people coming into their school and killing them and their classmates. Adults can blow off a LOT of stuff but children take it to heart...and it will effect them for years to come. I don't blame them for being afraid..I remember how afraid I was of the word Russia. They were practically demons in my mind. Granted these little marchers probably have some frightened mama's behind them and no one is quite clever enough to figure out that if someone banned all guns today... you would only be taking them from those who hand them over. It would become a very great under-ground black market business which it already is...and every street kid would still have one. Shoot the ammo makers and they'd figure out how to load their own...it's not that hard....so....at least the kids are getting exercise right?
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