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Post by auntym on May 7, 2014 12:28:12 GMT -6
ufodigest.com/article/mib-0507 WERE 'MEN IN BLACK' INVESTIGATING ARGENTINIAN CLOSE ENCOUNTER?By Scott Corrales May 07, 2014 INEXPLICATA Contributing Editor Guillermo Giménez has reminded us of a case that can be described as a “doubleheader” of high strangeness – a UFO sighting involving humanoid occupant with a bubble helmet (straight out of the contactee tradition) and follow-up visit by the nefarious MIB. In his article “Los Hombres de Negro en la Argentina” Giménez brings up the Dique La Florida CE-3 (4 February 1978) which occurred in the province of San Luis, involving a staggering total of six eyewitnesses: Manuel M. Alvarez, Regino S. Perroni, Pedro R. Sosa, Ramón A. Sosa, Genaro Sosa and Jacinto E. Lucero, employees of the Provincial Bank of San Luis, the Department of the Interior, the San José Ceramic Factory and Aerolíneas Argentinas, respectively. Their statement, as it appears in the article, runs as follows: “At approximately 4:45 hours on 4 February 1978, some 100 meters from where the facilities of the La Florida Club Yacht and Fishing Club are located, they saw a UFO surrounded by a phosphorescent halo of light, a vessel suspended in the air at an approximate elevation of 4 meters over the ground, from which a small ladder emerged, allowing the descent of a being of human appearance, dressed in a scaly, shiny and form-fitting silver outfit. On its head it wore a transparent helmet that allowed for its face and blond hair to be seen; it smiled and gestured with its hand. Immediately after, the vessel in question took off in a northward heading, leaving behind a flash of light in the shape of a semi-circle.” This, Giménez notes, represents the third point in the official report prepared by the provincial police and signed by Lt.Col. Raúl Benjamin López, who represented not only the provincial police force, but the Argentinean army as well. The Dique La Florida case was also the subject of painstaking research by Fabio Zerpa and his ONIFE group. Their report adds further details on the humanoid. “The smiling stranger placed his hands (gloved in some sort of mittens) palms outstretched and upturned in a characteristic gesture of friendship and a lotus position (lotus flower). We considered it to a universal gesture of giving. After making this gesture, he turned around, ascended the ladder and re-entered the device. The ladder was lifted into the craft, and the hole that had opened to let it out was shut.” Another interesting detail has come to light about this CE-3. The UFO occupant had held a container in his hands, described as “a thermos”, which was later found during an investigation of the site. In a recent podcast (“Testimonio ovni en Dique La Florida, San Luis en 1978 - www.ivoox.com/testimonio-ovni-dique-florida-san-luis-audios-mp3_rf_1595975_1.html) researchers Jorge Marrón and Daniel Valverdi described the tube as being “completely transparent like acrylic, some five centimeters thick, with a handle, and containing a liquid.” CONTINUE READING: ufodigest.com/article/mib-0507
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Post by auntym on May 13, 2014 13:13:14 GMT -6
ufodigest.com:8080/article/men-black-reality-0513May 13, 2014 MEN IN BLACK, REALITY?By Art Champoux Publisher's Note: Art Champoux has been an UFO investigator since 1964.He have worked with Ray Fowler, Walter Webb, John Keel, a lady that he can not name, and several different UFO groups. In the 1960s he was with APRO, CAPER, NIACP, then when APRO went out he was with NICAP and then APRO. Now he is with MUFON. The world of the paranormal has always fascinated him as even as a small boy he had some eerie happenings. His Great grandmother was a spirit medium so maybe he has inherited something. He is a hypnotist and has written for several publications and his leanings are much like John Keels. He believes there is an ultra force, not from outer space, but much like John's and even Jacques Vallees' contention...we are but one dimension out of many that reign on this planet. You can email Art at artchampoux@gmail.com.
Well, in the mid 60s I was with Caper, Committee Aerial phenomena evaluation and research. It was out of the Arizona area. I was the northeastern area investigator. I was working with Raymond Fowler and going out with him and some times with David Webb. There were UFO sightings all over the area, so many that I could not keep up with them. In Ray Fowler's books there is a few that involved sightings of entities. Black cars would park in front of my house. The ones that stuck in my mind the most are the ones that would turn any investigator into a nervous break down. If we went out, my wife and I, we would come home to a mess of UFO books, files and my sighting maps all over the floors. Ramona Clark who was the director would get calls from me about every other day. If you were in my shoes you would not wear them long. One day there was three investigators who sat in my living room. I gave each one a 25-cent piece and told them to close their hand. I counted to 3. Then I told them to open their hand. All three ran out of the house. John keel (the Mothman Prophecies) and l were great friends. We would snail mail a lot, an awful lot! In johns book, strange creatures from out of space, he speaks of my case. I would follow their car and block the car and the car would disappear! John sent up Dr. Berthold Swartz. In one of John's books, Bert said I had a gun by the door, but that was not true. I did have a gun, but the gun was unloaded with no rounds in the chamber. One of my fellow investigators was shot and killed while I was talking to him on a pay phone! I phoned Ramona Clark and told her about the shooting. She recommended I drop the whole thing, I Did! But I continued to still do UFO investigations to this day. The entity sighting I found I called Ray Fowler and we went up to the place and got the gentleman who watched the craft and the 3 entities that stared at him. David Webb also participated in this sighting report. You can read the case in Rays book, UFO Testament. I have all Ray's books, all autographed. Raymond Fowler was and is in the top 3 of all UFO Investigators in the history of UFOs and there enigma! MORE: ufodigest.com:8080/article/men-black-reality-0513
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Post by auntym on Jun 19, 2014 11:38:39 GMT -6
www.supernaturalufo.com/the-mystery-of-the-men-in-black/The Mystery of The Men In Black / PART 1 June 19, 2014 My brother Jake and I had a very interesting discussion about The Men in Black issue while I visited with him last week. We continued talking late in to the night as Jake had a great deal to say on the subjects of not only Men in Black but shadow people and reports of black mist appearing in haunting reports. I will admit that all of those subjects have been neglected by me over the years and it was good to sit and talk to someone who had spent time reading and researching them in order to develop his own theories on these curious subjects. I suggested that Jake should write something up for me about these topics to publish, not thinking he actually would, and to my delighted surprise my brother did. Jake’s first article is about the Men in Black. I am hopeful while I take my hiatus from the strange and unknown Jake will send in his thoughts on all things that interest him in the blackness of the unknown. The following is Jake’s take on the Men in Black Thanks Chris Holly Men in BlackBy Jake Holly I have to admit that although having a family that is deeply involved in things considered strange and unknown I really did not keep up with most of the things being talked or written about. There were a few topics however that always caught my attention yet seemed to be subjects that did not seem to get as much attention by the public or media outlets when I would search for information on them. The Men in Black were always a curious thing to me. At first when talk of them started to show up in the Ufology world I assumed the Men in Black were government agents who were sent out to confirm or look for evidence when UFO reports surfaced. I thought little of it as that is how our government operates and believed the men sent out in typical dull clothes in Government Issue cars were simply G-men bored with their assignments doing a quick obligatory stop in to those making outrageous reports of UFO’s and aliens. The reports I read seemed to play out like an old time black and white movie of a bunch of bored G-men forced to go where they did not want to go , who would take a quick look around with cigarettes hanging from their lips as they rush to get back to their hideaway to play cards and drink coffee until they are forced out in their dirty old rain coats to run through another quick stop at another wacko’s house who called in yet another flying saucer sighting. I held this attitude about the Men in Black issue until a few years ago when I finally realized I never asked my sister, who spends hours of her life researching UFO’s, aliens and abductions, what she thought of the Men in Black or if she ever saw them or talked to anyone who had? I knew my sister talked to thousands of people over the years who had seen UFO’s and aliens but did not remember her ever mentioning the G-men in black to me. A few years back while helping Chris with one of our family holiday get to gather’s I finally remembered to ask her what she knew about the infamous Men in Black. I was astonished by her answer, she looked at me and said: “I do not know anything at all about them. I never saw one, never spoke to anyone who saw one or had to deal with them and personally do not think they are government or military people if they do exist” I could not believe my sisters answer and questioned her about this as I was sure someone over all the years she had been researching UFO’s and aliens would have had contact with the Men in Black somewhere along the way. I asked her about the abduction victims she interviewed and the answer was the same. Not one person ever mentioned the Men in Black visiting or sitting in black vehicles in front of their homes. I was really shocked at this and decided to look a bit more on what information I could find on this Men in Black topic. I spent many hours searching into the material that is available on this subject and came to my own conclusion about who and what the Men in Black may be. First I do believe that certain people who have had sightings of UFO’ and witnessed possible alien activity have been visited by strange men dressed in black who drive black cars or vans. CONTINUE READING: www.supernaturalufo.com/the-mystery-of-the-men-in-black/
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Post by auntym on Jun 21, 2014 13:53:46 GMT -6
ufodigest.com/article/mystery-men-black-0620June 21, 2014 THE MYSTERY OF THE MEN IN BLACK - PART IIBy Chris Holly If you missed Part I of this article click here: ufodigest.com/article/mystery-men-black-0619They were said to be tall over 6ft and oddly always exactly the same height. They were thin with very light skin, large odd blue eyes and either bald or wearing what looked to be wigs, but exactly the same wig and color on each man. They seemed to travel in pairs and wore sun glasses that covered the fact they did not seem to have eyelashes or eye brows. I could not find any photos of the above mentioned until the day I found the You Tube of the incident that took place in a hotel lobby where two Men in Black individuals were caught on camera while questioning the people in the hotel lobby about someone in the hotel area who had recently reported a UFO sighing. As I watched the video (I will send my sister the video for you to view on her blog) I realized at once who these men were and why they looked as they do. I also realized and believe that along with my sister and a room full of people who worked in or had an extreme interest in science may have had contact years ago in a Yahoo chat room with one of these creatures. In short I believe that the Men in Black are a certain type of alien visitor who are sent out after one of their crafts are accidentally seen or made contact with humans. Surely there are many types of aliens that visit this planet that range from non-threatening to those who use us as experiments or harvest us for material they may need right through to heartless killers who simply do what they want with the humans they encounter. The Men in Black I think are a specific type of alien who attempt to communicate with those who report seeing their crafts or catch them in their activities here on earth. I have no idea why they send out these duplicate looking robotic type beings to make these follow up calls but apparently that is exactly what they are doing. Years ago an entire chat room full of people, who when web cam viewing first became available in chat rooms, all became familiar in this one Yahoo science based chat room with a man who called himself Sirius thinker or Sirius visitor. He was the most unusual man we had ever seen. He was extremely thin with milk colored skin with huge eyes. I do not remember if they were brown or blue. He was completely hairless and extremely strange on all levels. He was extremely well educated in what seemed to be every level of science and seemed more like a wax robot then a man. His voice was not male or female but somewhere in between and very disturbing. He would creep out everyone who spent time talking to him and would avoid or refuse to answer questions about his appearance or private life. This odd person made one last visit to this chat room very late one night where he simply stated he was returning to from where he came from as he finished his required time here and turned off his cam and that was that he was gone. CONTINUE READING: ufodigest.com/article/mystery-men-black-0620
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 22:26:54 GMT -6
Its summertime, and I've been staying up late watching movies with my kids . I still don't like scary movies! But I watched one on Saturday. . . Blood, the last vampire. In this movie, the "men in black" (and all dressed alike) were a type of secret, government-type of agent. Part of them were busy cleaning up killed "demons" after an event.
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Post by auntym on Aug 1, 2014 11:29:39 GMT -6
www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2014/07/tonopah-alien-mib-incident.html Thursday, July 31, 2014 Tonopah Alien / MIB IncidentPosted by Lon Strickler The following report concerns alien contact and a possible MIB encounter. It was submitted to NUFORC and occurred near Tonopah, Arizona on July 1, 2009 at approx. 10:30 PM. The area is in western Maricopa County, Arizona, approximately 50 miles west of downtown Phoenix off Interstate 10. The community of Tonopah is near the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station, the largest nuclear power plant in the country. There have been considerable UFO/alien accounts from this general area including rumors that a deep underground facility is nearby: While in the desert near the Palo Verde Nuclear Plant, the main witness and some friends saw a very large triangle shaped UFO. They were driving down a dirt road and saw a bright flashing light. They had seen objects in the area before and their intentions were to look for UFO’s. According to the witnesses, people that live in this area have been chased in their cars and seen objects on a regular basis. They went off the road behind some mountains, and no sooner had they come around the mountain they saw the large flashing light. All of them were scared but, at the same time, curious. The main witness friend’s girlfriend was crying and telling them to turn around; they got within 2 to 300 yards from the light. It was the size of three football fields, triangular in shape, and had windows around it. It was about 3 stories tall, and about 30 feet off the ground, they flashed their lights and it flashed back, in the same sequence of flashes. The main witness and his friend, James, got out of the car and walked closer. The closer they got, the better they could make out what was standing in the windows. They could see small big headed aliens, and then 7 to 9 foot tall aliens, they based this on the size of the windows. Some of the windows they could see through, the other windows were dark, but then the dark windows, cleared up one by one, and as they went clear more and more aliens appeared on the windows. James was supposedly videotaping the whole time. The main witness was terrified but excited at the same time. They walked closer and had to stop because the heat coming from the craft was so intense. The craft hovered and then landed. A large panel at the bottom of the craft opened and two aliens proceeded to walk out. This absolutely terrified the witnesses, but they couldn’t move or talk. The main witness remembers trying to scream and run but they couldn’t move or talk. Two others were in the car honking the horn, and screaming for them to come back, but they couldn’t respond or move. The aliens walked up to within 20 feet of them. One of them was very thin and tall, about 8-9 feet, the other one was about 3-4 feet tall. The witnesses stood there in amazement, shocked because they couldn’t move or speak. Then calmness came over them and the aliens began speaking to them telepathically, they were saying not to be scared that they were not going to harm them. This “conversation” went on between the 4 of them for 15-20 minutes. They said they were here to help us, so that we would not destroy our planet, and that there was a horrible event coming soon, that it had to be stopped. One of the witnesses asked if it was something like ‘9/11’ and they said that it was bigger and that it would come from the Middle East. The main witness then thought to himself that he had been in this situation before and the tall alien heard his thoughts and repeated his name and said that yes, he had been visited before when he was 6 years old in Deming, New Mexico. He had been in the desert exploring and they had talked to him then. He had blocked that out, but it all suddenly came back, they said they knew they were coming and wanted them to warn people about global warming and what was to come if they didn’t take start taking care of our planet. Visions of disaster then entered their heads, as if to show them what was to come. CONTINUE READING: www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2014/07/tonopah-alien-mib-incident.html
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Post by auntym on Aug 15, 2014 12:30:18 GMT -6
www.theguardian.com/film/2014/aug/14/men-in-black-ufo-sightings-mirage-makers-movieThe real Men in Black, Hollywood and the great UFO cover-upIn a new documentary, US government agents claim they spent decades giving fake evidence of extraterrestrials to gullible ufologists. But why? And how can we trust them now?by Steve Rose The Guardian, Thursday 14 August 2014 Hidden among the avalanche of documents leaked by Edward Snowden were images from a Powerpoint presentation by GCHQ, entitled The Art of Deception: Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations. Images include camouflaged moths, inflatable tanks, women in burqas, and complex diagrams plastered with jargon, buzzwords and slogans: "Disruption Operational Playbook", "Swap the real for the false and vice versa", "People make decisions as part of groups" and, beneath a shot of hands shuffling a deck of cards, "We want to build Cyber Magicians". Curiously, sandwiched in the middle of the document are three photographs of UFOs. Not real ones – classic fakes: one was a hub cap, another a bunch of balloons, and one that turned out to be a seagull. Devout ufologists might seize upon this as further proof that our governments "know something" about aliens and their transportation methods, but really it suggests the opposite: the UFO community is a textbook case of a gullible group susceptible to manipulation. Having spent too long watching the skies and The X-Files, it's implied, they'll readily swallow whatever snippet of "evidence" suits their grand theory. If there really is a UFO conspiracy, it's surely the worst-kept secret in history. Roswell, Area 51, flashing lights, little green men, abductions – it's all been fed through the pop culture mill to the point of fatigue. Even the supposed enforcers of the secret, the "men in black", have their own movie franchise. But a new documentary, Mirage Men, unearths compelling evidence that UFO folklore was actually fabricated by the US government. Rather than covering up the existence of aliens, could it be that the real conspiracy has been persuading us to believe in them? CONTINUE READING: www.theguardian.com/film/2014/aug/14/men-in-black-ufo-sightings-mirage-makers-movie
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Post by auntym on Dec 2, 2014 13:19:51 GMT -6
The Henry McKay Confession Tape - men in black encounter? harrassment from authorities.. UFOlogy Published on Dec 1, 2014 The Henry McKay Confession Tape is an audio cassette tape from 1978 of pioneer UFOlogist Henry McKay (my great-uncle) talking about his experiences of being watched, stalked and harassed by authorities due to his UFO research involvement. I don't recall if Uncle mentions in this tape that he had to get his local politician involved to finally get his P.O. mailbox back after it "mistakenly" was shut down and taken away from him. I cranked the volume up as loud as it would go in the video editor, so you might need headphones depending on your speaker system. But most should be able to hear without headphones. I do not know who Henry (my great-uncle) was talking to in this tape. All I know is that this conversation took place in a car in front of Henry's home in Toronto, Canada in 1978. About half-way through the tape you will hear it raining outside. At around the 22 minute mark the tape goes blank, I have not done anything to it, this is the way it is on the original tape and I have no idea what caused this. Then the audio comes back. Then around the 27 minute mark the tape cuts off as Henry is mid-sentence and then you hear Uncle do a countdown -- no idea what this is all about. Then all of a sudden the tape comes back to the interview in the car. Your guess is as good as mine. If anybody has any idea as to who Uncle was talking to (the man interviewing Uncle) please leave it in the comments and also include why you think so. Or if anybody has any additional info to anything they have heard in this tape please leave it in the comments. Thank you for your assistance, together we can figure this out!! In this audio cassette tape Henry talks about his mail being diverted, his telegram being diverted, his telephone being tapped, men watching his house from their car, being chased down the highway by an unknown vehicle, police showing up at his door to harass him from a city over 3 hours away, army showing up at his investigation sites (Henry specialized in landing sites and physical traces), and the monitoring of UFO investigators and researchers. Henry also mentions the Edwin Fuhr case (Regina, Saskatchewan) and that the police told Edwin not to say anything about his UFO sighting. He also mentions the Stephen Michalak case in Falcon Lake, Manitoba. He also talks about Ground Saucer Watch attempting to take the government to court regarding harassment for investigating UFOs. He also talks about his long fight with the government to get the Joe Borda files from the government (over 10 years Henry tried) in Brantford when a UFO landed in a tobacco field. He mentions "O.P.P" which is the "Ontario Provincial Police". He also mentions RCMP which is the "Royal Canadian Mounted Police". As you will hear in the tape, Henry called the harassment and monitoring from authorities "the loyal opposition". A very fitting title for them. This audio is courtesy of the official Henry McKay UFO Archives™ at UFOsUpClose.com Henry McKay was a pioneer UFOlogist. He was the very first Director of MUFON in Canada. He was also one of the first modern-day UFO investigators to specialize in physical traces associated with UFO landing sites and close-range UFO sightings. His work was mentioned in the book "The Philadelphia Experiment". He was an electrical engineer with the Air Force. He was also on the Board of Directors for the "North American UFO Federation" (headed by Richard Haines), was an associate of CUFOS (Dr. J. Allen Hynek), and also investigated for NICAP (Major Donald Keyhoe of the US Marines). He was good friends with Dr. J. Allen Hynek. He also gave a briefing at a hearing to the "Royal Commission of Electric Power Planning" in regards to UFO related power disturbances. For more info on Henry there is a MUFON webpage dedicated to him: www.mufoncanada.com/featured-ufologist.html
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Post by paulette on Jan 16, 2015 0:26:30 GMT -6
Has anyone here had a men in black - or black cars that follow, or black helicopters that follow - experience?
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Post by auntym on Jan 16, 2015 13:34:17 GMT -6
Has anyone here had a men in black - or black cars that follow, or black helicopters that follow - experience? i had a dream about an MIB once... i wrote about it here... i dreamed i was on the computer late one night, turned around and there was a man in a dark suit standing there...i picked up the chair i had been sitting on to defend myself,and don't remember anything after that... i sometimes wonder if my strange dreams could be OBEs
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Post by paulette on Jan 17, 2015 1:01:53 GMT -6
Thanks for moving this to the appropriate thread. I had a MIB dream too auntym - I'll put it here later.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 17, 2015 9:29:14 GMT -6
Jo got chased by some MiBs. I think Jc has also. I've had a lot of run-ins with the Feds and a few weird encounters with military helicopters but I doubt it was because of anything ufoish.
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Post by lois on Jan 17, 2015 12:00:19 GMT -6
I had Helicopters fly over my home right after I witness a saucer shape object fly from on cloud to the other a couple of years ago. I followed that cloud for a block . Two children were with me who live next door. We would stand there and watch the cloud. I took my eyes off of it and the boy with me said there it goes. He said it went so fast he could not follow it. I have mention this before. The Helicopters flew over twice. I should at least tape them. I was not at the moment thinking they had anything to do with what I saw. The boy kept saying those are Military ones. All I know is they were black.
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I did get chased by some guys in black suits driving a black sedan BUT I'm positive they were FBI agents. There used to be two stations her in my little bitty town (strange in itself) but we had one huge one and one sub station with an antenna farm. The property we were on..was being surveiled by the FBI according to a note we found in the window of a cabin..when we stopped to see what time it was because it looked very late. That's when we discovered we were missing at least 3 hours. 40 + years later I still remember the note. " The FBI is after you..remember things taken." Signed by the owner of the property. So I figured it was the hideout of some robbers..or maybe espionage theft. (Mind of a 16 year old). All of this is why I have so much trouble with my friend not remembering this day....BESIDE the whole abduction thing..there was a lot going on LOL. My father, after hearing about the note..did call the FBI and I have no idea what they said..but he quickly told me to forget it and not mention it again. I imagine if I had mentioned the UFO he'd have had me committed..but I didn't remember it..just the other events.
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Post by paulette on Jan 17, 2015 14:31:50 GMT -6
I'm reading Susan Michael's Sightings: UFOs - 1997. She offered various accounts from that time period and before, including a chapter on MIB and a lot of grainy pictures of unidentifible objects which might really be unidentifible even with better camera work. Anyway to sum up her offerings on MIB -
"Their mission? To find out what the UFO eyewitnesses know and to intimidate them nto keeping quiet about what they've seen..
That the MIB..."phenomenon officially began o June 21, 1047, when Harold A. Dahl, an ocean salvage operator, claimed that he and his small crew had witnessed a UFO redenzmous near Maury Island, Washington. [And that] he had collected metal debris and rocks that rock out ofrom one the the alien space-craft...The next day Dahl met a mysterious stranger wearing a black suit and driving a black sedan. The stranger warned him not to talk about what he had seen and to hand over the debris he had collected,'If he loved his familyl and didn't want anything to happen.'" Apparently in July he was visited by bona fide Army intelligence officers who took a full report and also collected some alledged extraterristrial debris..They determined that his story was a hoax.
The day after the investigators interview with Dahl, they were both killed when their plane crashed near Kelso, Washington. The Tacoma Times carried the headline, SABOTAGE HINTED IN CRASH OF ARMY BOMBER AT KELSO. The article reported that the plane had been sabotaged or shot down to prevent the shipment of'flying disc fragments'and classified material. Civilian UFO investigators reported hotel rooms being buged, phones tapped, and at least one more appearance of a MIB."
After that, in 1956, Gray Baker wrote They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers - the first nonfiction(?) book about MIB and in it, recounted an incident of Albert Bender, founder of the International Flying Saucer Bureau, an early RFO research organization. He apparently had a terrifying visit from a man dressed in black clothing, an outdated double-breasted suit from 40s. The man was pale and moved like a robot and asked a lot of questions about Bender's interests in UFOs and then warned him not to continue his investigations. After his visit, Bender quit the UFO investigation field.
According to Michael, MIB reports continued through the 70's, with a commonly reported theme of two men in a black car whose license plate numbers later don't check out. They are dressed in black, physically awkward and speak strangely, seemingly not aware of our usual customs. They come in a variety of sizes and shapes, sometimes tall and thin with no hair. When they leave, the car abruptly disappears. The common point being, they want to silence the witnesses and have they turn over any physical evidence (so much for keeping that ashtray one picks up on the ship.) They threaten, but no reliable reports link their appearance and particular deaths.
After the 70's the favorite mode of transport for the MIB seemed to be a black helicopter. Shirley and George Coyne were state directors for MUFON in 1992 and told a Sighting Investigative Team that they had been pursued by black helicopters since 1988, and that important files and original audiotapes had disappeared from their house on a number of ocassions, although nothing else was taken. Shirley's story (as reported in this book) was that she was doing a hypnotic regression with a woman who believed she had been abducted. Suddenly a helicopter appeared over the house she was in (and she went outside to look. She later played back the tape that should have recorded the helicopter noise - but the tape was wiped from the time she went outside. She said that similar things happened again but that they never came face to face with MIB. Soon thereafter, they both withdrew from MUFON and UFO research. After George died she did not stay in contact with any of her previous contacts. There were more accounts and Susan Michael ending this chapter by saying, "Maybe MIBs or government agents - or wahtever wyou want to call them - have simply chaned the way they do business and thus become less visible. Just look at Secret SErvice guys today, they wear brown shoes and loud ties. Times change.
So I'm interested that Mufon once had directors who reported first hand experiences. And that they stepped back, never to return. There are reasons to withdraw from an activity or research. One might just be bored or done with the subject. Or decide not to think about it anymore (good luck with that) for many reasons. I don't know about the history of Mufon and Shirley and George, some here be very familiar.
I now need to read everything about MIB on this thread. Then I will throw my 2 bits in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 17:06:47 GMT -6
I've never been threatened nor contacted nor shushed...by anyone..I don't think anyone here has been either. Maybe they're just not concerned with grey activity..who knows. I suspect most of the so called mib experience was more in the 60's or so...perhaps they've figured out that hardly anyone seriously listens to UFO stories. Even Travis Walton wasn't 'warned' or Betty & Barney Hill. They've were very outspoken about their experiences. Makes you wonder what changed if anything. Maybe the advent of all of the sci fi movies..and popularity..hard to say.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 17, 2015 20:31:56 GMT -6
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Post by harmony on Jan 17, 2015 21:13:46 GMT -6
A few years back when I was quite vocal on my UFO experience, there was a white van that used to park on an adjacent hill where it could see our house. It was like a utility van. Anyway, I was on the way to get the kids at school one day and I happened to get behind it. The guy was dressed in black and speeded up. I tried to keep up with him because I wanted to get a picture of him with a raggedy phone I used to use before I got an iphone. It was always blurry but he was clearly trying to get away from me and watching me in the mirror. I thought- you SOB I finally have you. Never saw it parked there or around here since.
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Post by lois on Jan 17, 2015 21:43:15 GMT -6
A few years back when I was quite vocal on my UFO experience, there was a white van that used to park on an adjacent hill where it could see our house. It was like a utility van. Anyway, I was on the way to get the kids at school one day and I happened to get behind it. The guy was dressed in black and speeded up. I tried to keep up with him because I wanted to get a picture of him with a raggedy phone I used to use before I got an iphone. It was always blurry but he was clearly trying to get away from me and watching me in the mirror. I thought- you SOB I finally have you. Never saw it parked there or around here since. You mention white van. Yes I had many show up out front of my home a dozen times. Mainly at night. My husband was at work. Who ever sat in this Van smoked. I could see the light up a few times but never seen his face. He sat there in daylight many times. I never took my eyes off of it til he left during the day. My husband said he is probably waiting for his kids who come on the school bus at the corner here . No he never picked up any one. One night I finally called the police. It was like he knew I did. He took off. I tried to read his plates but never could. One evening as he was out there. Well the white Van was I do not know if it was the same person. I called the girl in the back apt to come out. She said no Lois I have never noticed that Van before and went and called the police. Before they got there he was gone again. Once I watch that van at night the far side of the van door open and some one got in . Wow . No one came down the walk from any place or out of a home. But when that door open I could see them climbing in pass the open door. This finally stopped .
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Post by skywalker on Jan 17, 2015 21:51:11 GMT -6
White vans are used by the Feds for surveillance. They are supposed to be inconspicuous but they kind of stand out like a bunch of sore thumbs with band-aids on them when you learn to recognize them.
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Post by paulette on Jan 18, 2015 1:12:15 GMT -6
To all or any bored person on duty reading all of this - just wonder what color your tie is and if you drive a black car, black helicoter or white utility van. Oh wait! People doing surveyance don't have to go anywhere anymore - unless they are retreiving evidence or whatever. Anyway, have a nice night.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 8:13:31 GMT -6
Has anyone here had a men in black - or black cars that follow, or black helicopters that follow - experience? i sometimes wonder if my strange dreams could be OBEs (worth wondering about, IMHO) _________________________________________________ I've had an encounter with a black, unmarked helicopter. My kids were young, it was a bright and sunny day that I had them in the back yard, and I had this desire to get my kids inside immediately. But at the same time, I felt it was important to act like I wasn't fearful, nothing was wrong, so before I took my last child inside, when the black helicopter was right above our back yard (I could have possibly hit it by throwing a rock; that close!) I pretended to be interested in it, and showing it to the child I was holding. I waved to whomever was flying it, knowing that they could definitely see me standing there, and then went inside. Very weird.
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Post by paulette on Jan 19, 2015 0:19:09 GMT -6
I actually did speak about my dream about MIB on page 1. Interestingly, I had forgotten reading much of what was on this thread and also that I commented several times. My mind isn't what it used to be BUT I have blanked on UFO topics and lost material that I had written down many times and I always feel a little uneasy about that fact.
It seems like there are two possibilities that seem separate but maybe just maybe are not. 1. MIB are aliens who come to do a clean up after an encounter that the person manages to remember or...to retreive bits and pieces (including audio-tapes, typed manuscripts etc. So they come, threaten and possible threaten in other ways than means saying - don't talk about it. Their proximity allows for a more thorough mind wipe perhaps.
2.MIB are "ours" - military and covert military personelle who want to clean either to silence the account of an event that was embarassing - UFOs checking out nuclear facilities and such or to ascertain that reports of "our" intentionally unidentified craft (such as stealth bombers) perhaps in places that they shouldn't have been (over other countries nuclear facilities)were squashed and/or discredited.
But here's my 3rd suggestion. If, as seems possible,the US military has had knowledge and even maybe cooperation from ETS (like that account of Eisenhower boarding a UFO at the end of a runway somewhere for about 45 miutes in the 50s) then maybe the ETs don't have to conjure up experiencers addresses and phone numbers - because they are already on file somewhere. Our guys send or allow ET protocal - the spooky MIB to properly terrify the experiencers, or those working with them. But they are hand in hand with our civilian surveyance programs. There are no unlisted numbers - unless its a cell phone someone stole and throws away at the end of the day. People "off the grid" aren't as far off as they think. MIB proceedures probably aren't run on discreditable people - small town cops, isolated farmers, John Lennon, Indians living on the land...etc etc.
And so, yes there was a thread and yes I wrote on it and no I no longer remembered doing so or any of the articles I read (the videos have mostly been taken down). Interesting - but inconclusive...as always...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 0:26:54 GMT -6
Well..ya know..no one needs a helicopter..or a van..white or otherwise. Satellite surveillance can spot someone walking up to your front door whenever they're so inclined. Or was that what you were hinting at Paulette??? They don't have to be visible at all unless they want to be..and for that matter if little grey goobers were keeping tabs...they don't have to show up either..they have our mental footprints..for easy listening. I get 'messages' now and then..stuff in my head that will later have a 'follow up' verification. Sounds way weird..but today my daughter's boss was having trouble with his acrobatic airplane vibrating and into my head pops ...ah your harmonic resonator was out of whack. Now of course no plane has such a thing and I figured I was joking with him. Later tonight watching my new favorite tv show the Librarians..of course..they happened to have a harmonic resonator. Gets my attention every time. I do not believe in coincidence...of course I don't I'm psychic..there are no coincidences. I've a strong strange feeling that something is going on..moving..altering..something. anyone else?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 9:45:17 GMT -6
. . . I get 'messages' now and then..stuff in my head that will later have a 'follow up' verification. Sounds way weird..but today my daughter's boss was having trouble with his acrobatic airplane vibrating and into my head pops ...ah your harmonic resonator was out of whack. Now of course no plane has such a thing and I figured I was joking with him. Later tonight watching my new favorite tv show the Librarians..of course..they happened to have a harmonic resonator. Gets my attention every time. I do not believe in coincidence...of course I don't I'm psychic..there are no coincidences. I've a strong strange feeling that something is going on..moving..altering..something. anyone else? It does sound "way weird" . But this also happens to me and I'm glad to hear that someone else experiences this. I also get the feeling that something is going on, beyond me (of course), and beyond the fact that more people are "aware" of this "something".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 10:40:03 GMT -6
BTW, It has also been white vehicles for me. Old white vans, and some shiny new white SUV's. The teenage boy, driving a white camero, that "harassed" me as a preteen on my bike, had nothing to do with this . Except, as my life works, this kid alerted me to white vehicles . _________________________________________________________________ Talking about MIBs, I'm sure has taken away some of their "power". But like you said, their necessity is also gone, as technology advanced. I do also think that some "hands on" visits were a type of "sampling" (both physical and psychological). And about the Maury Island event, there were also two reporters involved, that died mysterious deaths soon after. My point being, that there was a real threat, whether it was by government types, or other. And part of the confusion, was also hiding that "threat" from the general public, so some people would still welcome "the phenomenon". _________________________________________________________________ Back to a certain awareness, I might be "off" on this one . But it should be observable to any lay person . I love watching college football! It is so energetic and exciting! I watched a whole day of it with my dad on New Years day. Now, watching this, I began to notice that every player knew exactly when the camera was focused on them. They didn't mouth "hi mom", but looked directly into the camera, however briefly. There were professional camera men there, were there small screens near the benches, so every player could see exactly when their face was shown on the screen? Am I missing something, here? I mean, a player can not feasibly look up, every time they feel a camera on them, or someone staring at them. So why did so many of them look back, it appears at just the right moment, as if on cue? (no, I didn't personally receive any messages. LOL. And I've seen this "awareness" on other "Live" television events; just not to this extent).
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Post by paulette on Jan 19, 2015 11:47:44 GMT -6
Well..ya know..no one needs a helicopter..or a van..white or otherwise. Satellite surveillance can spot someone walking up to your front door whenever they're so inclined. Or was that what you were hinting at Paulette??? (They do if they are going to retreive physical evidence or problematic audiotapes, etc... Maybe.) They don't have to be visible at all unless they want to be..and for that matter if little grey goobers were keeping tabs...they don't have to show up either. .they have our mental footprints..for easy listening. I get 'messages' now and then..stuff in my head that will later have a 'follow up' verification. (Well, I intuit that too - that we can be tracked. Hans (Steve's ET buddy) said that the range is around 100 miles...if I recall correctly.) Sounds way weird..but today my daughter's boss was having trouble with his acrobatic airplane vibrating and into my head pops ...ah your harmonic resonator was out of whack. Now of course no plane has such a thing and I figured I was joking with him. Later tonight watching my new favorite tv show the Librarians..of course..they happened to have a harmonic resonator. Gets my attention every time. I do not believe in coincidence...of course I don't I'm psychic..there are no coincidences. I've a strong strange feeling that something is going on..moving..altering..something. anyone else?[/quoteWell one of the underlying themes of people who think about and study UFO phenomena is that we humans are being manipulated (to not-see things) and have been since Sumerian times. I spent an afternoon in a small museum in the 70's on the Gulf Coast of Mexico. There were a fair few things that blew my mind and definitely suggested higher technology. One was old Mayan skulls with beautiful inlaid front teeth - with turquoise stars (5 pointed) and silver crescent moons. Now we are told that they cut and polished jade with strings dipped in animal fat and sand. How to get perfect sharp pointed inlaid teeth? Not that way!!! There was no decay or staining around the inlay. Second, there were pictures of some Mayan gods and they had large halo like things around their heads. These are reproduced in dolls (out of bright yarn). Kachina dolls (South western USA Hopi) have the same structures. Well I was translating from the displays (in spanish) to english via my dictionary. The word for the "headdresses" in Spanish, is the same word as for "aura" in English. This stopped me short! These were depictions of their radiating mental powers (just as haloes denote spiritual power). I personally have read enough to accept that ETs have been here a long time. As we get more technologically advanced it is perhaps harder of them to stay off the radar (although I have no doubt that they can do that - or wipe the record later.). There is the small but significant thing to me that I somehow threw away an manila envelope with all my notes about what had happened to me, what I had submitted to Omni magazine, my son's account - written within days of it happening. Totally gone. The paperbacks still there. Never to reappear in some box or other. I was either directed to dispose of it - or it disappeared while in my house. Neither is a comforting thought...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 12:44:06 GMT -6
Someone letting you be aware that they are aware that you are aware
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Post by auntym on Mar 26, 2015 12:45:42 GMT -6
www.ancient-code.com/the-real-men-in-black-do-they-exist/The Real Men In Black; Do they Exist?by Ivan Petricevic March 26, 2015 Even since before the 50s, the UFO phenomenon has been related with the appearance of “men in black” ( No not Will Smith) but secret government agents in “black” suits responsible to silence witnesses and seize evidence that could demonstrate the existence of extraterrestrial lifeforms on Earth. These secret government agents are commonly referred to as “men in black.” The mystery surrounding the men in black is extensive, their dress code is usually black,thus the name “men in black”, some witnesses state that these have a metallic voice or strangely modulated, and in some cases, witnesses even speak of telepathic communication or dreamlike apparitions. The role of the MIB agents is always the same, their objective is try to keep hidden any information that comes to light about extraterrestrial phenomena, but especially keep the witness silent, either through coercion, manipulating their memories, or ultimately elimination of the witness’s in a mysterious way. The history of the MIB is so full of inconsistencies as all other aspects of the experiences with UFOs. There have been many theories about the identity of these “men”. The most consistent is that these are former agents who do not respond directly to the governments and in partnership with extraterrestrial beings in secret bases such as the Dulce base or Area 51. Ther appereance is freakishly calm and mysterious. It is believed that in most encounters, witnesses claim to have a time frame in which they have no memory and when MIB come they appear impeccably dressed and are generally polite but threatening at the same time. According to Ufologists, they tend to have extensive information about the life of the witness and most strangely they come to the witness before they have time to tell anyone about the sightings, so the question many ufologists have raised is… How do “they” know what the witness has seen? In other cases they visit to try to convince them that what they saw has never happened, and almost always in groups of three to be so show little expression on their faces that make them not look human. Many people, especially residents of the US, have come forward speaking about these strange agents wearing black suits, investigating in a mysterious and secret manner. But what are they really? Are they agents of a highly secret government organization? Are they members of a organization beyond Earth? Is there a possibility that they are actually extraterrestrial beings? All of these question are actually theories proposed by numerous ufologists when it comes to the Men In Black, but until today, no one really know what they are and if they do in fact exist.
CONTINUE READING: www.ancient-code.com/the-real-men-in-black-do-they-exist/
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