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Post by auntym on Jan 9, 2011 15:05:57 GMT -6
www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/01/will-humans-and-alien-life-share-a-universal-genetic-code-todays-most-popular.htmlWill Humans and Alien Life Share a Universal Genetic Code? A recent mathematical analysis says that life as we know it is written into the laws of reality. DNA is built from a set of twenty amino acids - the first ten of those can create simple prebiotic life, and now it seems that those ten are thermodynamically destined to occur wherever they can. For those unfamiliar with thermodynamics, it's the Big Brother of all energy equations and science itself. You can apply quantum mechanics at certain scales, and Newtonian mechanics work at the right speeds, but if thermodynamics says something, then everyone listens. An energy analysis by Ralph Pudritz, a theoretical astrophysicist and director of the Origins Institute at McMaster University shows that the first ten amino acids are likely to form at relatively low temperatures and pressures, and the calculated odds of formation match the concentrations of these life-chemicals found in meteorite samples. Posted by Luke McKinney with Casey Kazan Humans and Aliens might share DNA roots TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by auntym on Feb 21, 2011 11:42:57 GMT -6
www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01288.htmlScientists find Extraterrestrial genes in Human DNADo civilizations of advanced human beings exist scattered in the Galaxy? by John Stokes Artistic representation from Eyewitness testimony of Asket, the extraterrestrial human woman, reference: www.gaiaguys.netA group of researchers working at the Human Genome Project indicate that they made an astonishing scientific discovery: They believe so-called 97% non-coding sequences in human DNA is no less than genetic code of extraterrestrial life forms. The non-coding sequences are common to all living organisms on Earth, from moulds to fish to humans. In human DNA, they constitute larger part of the total genome, says Prof. Sam Chang, the group leader. Non-coding sequences, originally known as "junk DNA", were discovered years ago, and their function remained a mystery. The overwhelming majority of Human DNA is "Off-world" in origin. The apparent "extraterrestrial junk genes" merely "enjoy the ride" with hard working active genes, passed from generation to generation. After comprehensive analysis with the assistance of other scientists, computer programmers, mathematicians, and other learned scholars, Professor Chang had wondered if the apparently "junk Human DNA" was created by some kind of "extraterrestrial programmer". The alien chunks within Human DNA, Professor Chang further observes, "have its own veins, arteries, and its own immune system that vigorously resists all our anti-cancer drugs." TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by paulette on Feb 21, 2011 11:54:24 GMT -6
Professor Chang further stipulates that "Our hypothesis is that a higher extraterrestrial life form was engaged in creating new life and planting it on various planets. Earth is just one of them. Perhaps, after programming, our creators grow us the same way we grow bacteria in Petri dishes. We can't know their motives - whether it was a scientific experiment, or a way of preparing new planets for colonization, or is it long time ongoing business of seedling life in the universe."
Well...there! Is there any follow up on the man who talked to the guys from outer space? And do the people with the theory of alien DNA still work for the Human Genome project???
Isn't it amazing what ISN'T in the papers these days? Or at least, the mainstream sources of "reality".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2011 10:11:26 GMT -6
I imagine it's quite possible for all life to share genetic codes. Not too far of a stretch if you consider the 'big bang' scattered the same material throughout the universe..I like to think God had a master plan
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Post by auntym on Feb 22, 2011 10:25:39 GMT -6
Hmmmmmmmm...... ...... i don't know what to think of this...
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Post by paulette on Feb 22, 2011 12:15:21 GMT -6
How come Mr. Dinosauroid didn't have to wear clothes? And where did he keep his wallet?
A little more seriously - the people saying that the dinosaurs wouldn't have evolved to a recognizable end point seemed a little prejudiced. Dinosaurs, particularly the raptors were walking and running on two legs and using the other two to grab things or fight. So upright bilaterial symmetry seems like a likely end goal. I don't know about eyes - reptiles have a much wider visual field although some can't see straight ahead - hence the chameleon's turret like eyes. Fingers are a natural from claws. Grabbing items has got to be useful rather than using one's mouth or tail. Raptors being bird-hipped were on their way to being birds - and warm blooded - the better to function during cool spells.
It seemed like a well put together film but not much in the way of support for the theory.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 22, 2011 13:49:37 GMT -6
It is an interesting possibility. Life evolves to fill whatever gaps or opportunities exist in the ecosystem. The human form is obviously advantageous for certain conditions otherwise humans never would have obtained it. Other mammals such as Bigfoot, gigantopithecus and neanderthals, also developed a humanoid appearance so it is possible that other types of animals might have as well.
Dinosaurs were the dominant type of animal for almost 200 million years, and they evolved to fill a wide variety of niches in the ecosystem. There were quadrupeds, bipeds, carnivores, herbivores, big ones, little ones...if they had continued to evolve one or two species very easily might have become humanoid. All that really needed to happen was for their brains to become larger which would have meant that their bodies most like would have become more upright in order to more easily support the greater weight of the head. When that happened the tail would have shortened or disappeared entirely, the neck would have shortened, and because of the shorter neck the arms would have lengthened to help them reach out and pick things up. Fingers would have evolved to help grasp things.
It is entirely possible that it might eventually have happened on Earth if evolution had been allowed to continue, and maybe on another planet it did. Unless we go there and find one of them, or unless one of them comes here and finds us we will never know for sure, so for now it is just science fiction.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2011 14:57:17 GMT -6
Lord save us a TRex with PMS
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2011 15:38:45 GMT -6
According to another show I watched on the Discovery Channel, the reason why the human brain got bigger can be broken down into three factors which one may consider.
1) When humans started walking upright (As far back in time as when Lucy was wandering around the grasslands of Africa), the females were able to carry their young. Since the babies didn't have to learn how to walk on their own quite so quickly, that allowed a larger more complicated brain to develop, since the babies were allowed to be carried longer since the hands were now free.
2) Primates like Chimpanzees and humans (Lucy was very similar to a Chimp) are social creatures. We travel in groups, tribes, clans, or whatever. As the brains began to get larger, we were able to live in larger and larger groups. In the wild, safety in numbers is a very big thing! The more of you there are looking out for predators and rival tribes, the better off you are! The larger your brain gets, the more people you can keep track of... another survival necessity.
3) When humans started cooking their food, they were able to break down proteins from meat much better, and this also allowed the nervous system (brain included) to develop even further.
So if you look at primates, then compare them to reptiles, you can see that Raptors, as Jo mentioned, DID walk on two feet. They DID have organized social structures. Perhaps some day they may have learned how to cook their food with fire too? ~shrug~
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Post by paulette on Feb 22, 2011 17:58:57 GMT -6
I miss my tail. (OK its off topic). But I think a tail would be great. I'd like to swish it when irritated or balance with it. I feel so sorry for human toddlers - trying to learn to walk and balancing a head that weighs about 1/4 of its body weight. Three points of contact better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2011 10:53:17 GMT -6
I think a tail might get in the way for me ..(too many doors and too many opportunities to experience pain) but ears..I miss being able to flatten my ears to let others know I'm reallllllllly um *angry* off..or perky and interested..flattened out and ho hum..yep..I miss flexible ears.
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Post by paulette on Feb 23, 2011 11:17:25 GMT -6
Yeah - expressive ears. That's why Yoda was so charming. He was seemingly totally controlled but sometimes his ears drooped in irritation or sadness.
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Post by bewildered on Feb 23, 2011 22:14:19 GMT -6
Interesting stuff, auntym. Thanks for posting it. Amazing what I miss when I'm distracted with other things. I've heard of this some years ago in discussions with a good friend on matters of science.
The DNA "code" can indeed be expressed mathematically, which lends weight to the hypothesis put forth: the code of DNA seems to speak a universal language, a language that can be expressed mathematically. If we look at the "big picture" in the form of a great deal of evidence that illustrates our rather ancient origins, connection to sources beyond our own planet (and perhaps even this solar system), and the existence and practice of oddly advanced technology and knowledge amongst ancient humanity, a picture is painted that supports the hypothesis.
On a more personal level, I have always felt that we are far greater and possess more potential than we think we do. That is the irony of our condition: the spark we possess is unfathomable in magnificence, and yet we blind ourselves to the brilliance we wield. Nothing can master us - not even death - and yet we give power over to things that enslave us. We have the strength to lift mountains...only in our delusion of weakness, we struggle with mere anthills.
It was something the Creator gave to those who seeded us; those who seeded us are us.
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Post by lois on Feb 23, 2011 23:25:07 GMT -6
It is an interesting possibility. Life evolves to fill whatever gaps or opportunities exist in the ecosystem. The human form is obviously advantageous for certain conditions otherwise humans never would have obtained it. Other mammals such as Bigfoot, gigantopithecus and neanderthals, also developed a humanoid appearance so it is possible that other types of animals might have as well. Dinosaurs were the dominant type of animal for almost 200 million years, and they evolved to fill a wide variety of niches in the ecosystem. There were quadrupeds, bipeds, carnivores, herbivores, big ones, little ones...if they had continued to evolve one or two species very easily might have become humanoid. All that really needed to happen was for their brains to become larger which would have meant that their bodies most like would have become more upright in order to more easily support the greater weight of the head. When that happened the tail would have shortened or disappeared entirely, the neck would have shortened, and because of the shorter neck the arms would have lengthened to help them reach out and pick things up. Fingers would have evolved to help grasp things. It is entirely possible that it might eventually have happened on Earth if evolution had been allowed to continue, and maybe on another planet it did. Unless we go there and find one of them, or unless one of them comes here and finds us we will never know for sure, so for now it is just science fiction. Oh I hope not sky.. what next? ;D ;D
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Post by lois on Feb 23, 2011 23:29:52 GMT -6
I can believe all of this, but not related to prehistoric times. Someone intervened a long time ago. Maybe before the prophets in the bible..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 5:34:07 GMT -6
Interesting stuff, auntym. Thanks for posting it. Amazing what I miss when I'm distracted with other things. I've heard of this some years ago in discussions with a good friend on matters of science. The DNA "code" can indeed be expressed mathematically, which lends weight to the hypothesis put forth: the code of DNA seems to speak a universal language, a language that can be expressed mathematically. If we look at the "big picture" in the form of a great deal of evidence that illustrates our rather ancient origins, connection to sources beyond our own planet (and perhaps even this solar system), and the existence and practice of oddly advanced technology and knowledge amongst ancient humanity, a picture is painted that supports the hypothesis. On a more personal level, I have always felt that we are far greater and possess more potential than we think we do. That is the irony of our condition: the spark we possess is unfathomable in magnificence, and yet we blind ourselves to the brilliance we wield. Nothing can master us - not even death - and yet we give power over to things that enslave us. We have the strength to lift mountains...only in our delusion of weakness, we struggle with mere anthills. It was something the Creator gave to those who seeded us; those who seeded us are us. Well written as always bewildered... you gave me that warm fuzzy feeling again... but if we are so magnificent and omnipotent, why do some of us (me for example) still sleep with the lights on? Why do we fear our own death? Why are we so humbled by so-called "Acts of God"? Why do we always look to the heavens for answers? Why does every human culture yearn for and create (in our minds) higher beings to guide us? Once I saw a program on the Discovery Channel about the human brain. One of the scientist dudes on the program said, (I'm paraphrasing, not quoting btw...) "The human brain has been able to figure out everything in its immediate natural environment... except itself." A terrible paradox. I personally think we still have a great deal more evolving to do... Until we are able to fully understand our brains and our minds we will still be primitive animals IMO...
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Post by bewildered on Feb 24, 2011 9:13:10 GMT -6
Well written as always bewildered... you gave me that warm fuzzy feeling again... but if we are so magnificent and omnipotent, why do some of us (me for example) still sleep with the lights on? Why do we fear our own death? Why are we so humbled by so-called "Acts of God"? The answer is right in front of our noses, lorelei. We delude ourselves at virtually every given opportunity, because we get caught up in our own little internal universe of the mind. The example of the hoaxes given in the "ET 2" thread is a great illustration of this in microcosm. Apply this to virtually every other aspect of existence, and you begin to see how this happens. We often misunderstand one another because we interact not with a person, but an idea of a person in our own mind. We imprint what we think and feel on everything external - something I call projecting - and operate from that basis. It's our strong delusion. We fear death because we have locked ourselves within a finite reality, and cannot see the patterns in the universe that serve as a reflection of something more subtle and greater. Energy (matter) does not "disappear"...it transforms and continues movement. It might disappear to our eyes...but it is not "gone." We innately understand that something incomprehensible created reality (you can call this God). We mistakenly believe that this something incomprehensible is like us. In our delusion of helplessness (the victim mentality), we think we are incapable of doing anything ourselves, and need help. Things are unfair. Hard, even. We want to escape that, and go to great lengths to do it in our minds. Sadly, this doesn't impact reality. It is what it is. Perhaps what we miss is what we can do, and that support in doing this can be found in searching for the incomprehensible so that we may understand. Ah...but we are not just brains. We just think we are. It is the equivalent of an organic computer control center for the body. It's an image, if you will, of something far greater: the mind. We can definitely understand the brain, the consciousness that inhabits it, and how it all works if we apply ourselves to observing and learning. An important first step is learning how we delude ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 11:15:30 GMT -6
Actually I can't sleep if any lights are on..even night lights...and about death I have no fear..just an urge to get on with things. Most people who believe in God..don't fear death..just the means of getting there. We're just not so fond of pain associated with that transition. When I slow down and allow myself to think on it..which I don't often..what bothers me the most about the process is the possible loss of identity. I'm actually quite fond of myself..and I've lived and learned and grown (as have we all). It does cause me some angst to think my energy returns to a 'collective' and I become a part of a greater whole..losing the 'self' in the process. I'm sure it wouldn't be a bother after the fact...but it is now when I dwell on it. I've read several books by a 'medium' who talks of 7 tiers of heaven..and that upon death we all revert to about 30 years old and are given assignments there. This sounds much like wishful thinking more than psychic knowledge but I sort of like it (who wouldn't). I've also read (from another psychic) about souls returning to a greater source of which we are a part..all equal. I'm guessing I'll know the answer eventually.
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Post by lois on Feb 24, 2011 13:37:47 GMT -6
Jo, I don't sleep unless it is pitch black.. We have public street light which comes in. I put the darkess curtains I could fine on that window..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 16:02:57 GMT -6
Ah...but we are not just brains. We just think we are. It is the equivalent of an organic computer control center for the body. It's an image, if you will, of something far greater: the mind. We can definitely understand the brain, the consciousness that inhabits it, and how it all works if we apply ourselves to observing and learning. An important first step is learning how we delude ourselves. So basically what you're saying is the human brain is nothing more than a logic machine? Hm... interesting. If it's nothing more than a computer, why is it that severe brain damage, and dementia affect the person's whole perception of things? I understand that psychology and spirituality are a separate thing from the brain itself... but both are directly perceived by the brain, and both are remembered by the brain. In a sense, you NEED the brain to understand these things. The brain is the center of the personal identity of the individual, as Jo stated. Without the brain... without the means to perceive, remember, and understand our life experiences, morals and beliefs... what are we? THAT is what scares ME the most... this biological "logic machine" appears to be what "I am"...
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Post by bewildered on Feb 24, 2011 21:05:39 GMT -6
So basically what you're saying is the human brain is nothing more than a logic machine? Hm... interesting. If it's nothing more than a computer, why is it that severe brain damage, and dementia affect the person's whole perception of things? The brain is a portal. A convoluted quantum portal, in fact. It does indeed behave much like a binary system does...only it's far more advanced in scope and function. A PC is a lousy and primitive comparison...however, make no mistake about it: a computer is a model of the brain. Psychological schema work exactly like computer programs in the conscious. The deeper you go in studying the psychology of your conscious, the more you realize that psychology is the "programming language" of the brain! Your experiences of touch, sight, smell, hearing and taste are converted into that programming language. It hit me like a ton of bricks from the clear blue sky when the reality was clearly revealed. It bewildered me, in fact. That's one reason why I chose my screen name. I've written about this elsewhere, but it bears repeating since it's relevant to both the topic and our discussion. What everyone calls the subconscious is in truth "the mind"...and what we think of as the conscious is nothing but a creation of that mind. Think of the mind as a vast and mysterious uncharted territory...because for virtually every one of us, it is exactly that. We know virtually nothing about it...only what we see in dreams and strange experiences. The conscious is an interface designed to interact with the brain in the cause and effect manifestation of matter: what we see, touch, taste, hear, and smell. The conscious is "programmed" by these things. Imbalances in the conscious (psychological errors) have an impact on our experience of that. Damage to the brain also does. There is a cause and effect link between them both. Sometimes psychological errors arise because of organic issues with the brain or body system...but organic issues do not always cause psychological errors to form. Both can also be independent of each other. Damage to the portal has a qualitative effect on stimulus (data) processing, whether it's perceived from an external source or generated by an internal mechanism. "You" are not the identity of your conscious. The conscious is a creation of the mind, and identity is the product of the conscious. The truth of the matter is, identity is fluid and subject to change and modification. Have you ever noticed, in dreams, that you can be someone else...even something else? Remember make-believe as a child? Despite this, you never ceased being you, did you? Think of amnesia. A loss of identity, no matter how severe, does not affect you. You are who you are, identity or not. It is important to understand what the conscious is, what it's intended to do, and what it cannot do. The conscious is a partitioned sector of awareness designed specifically to operate in that manifestation of fight or flight...touch and sight...survival and continuation, flesh and blood. It cannot "see" beyond the partition the mind erected as a barrier. It is, in some ways, very much an animal...but with a difference. You are looking through it at that world of flesh, blood, stone, and wood. You experience the biochemistry and energy emanations of the body in the form of emotions through the quantum portal of the brain. Are you a machine? No. Do you inhabit and interface with a machine? Yes. Your conscious assembles an identity through the amazing data input of your life's experience in this machine. You experience that identity. That identity, however, is like clothing. It can be changed, as we all know through what medical science has documented. The evidence that the conscious is partitioned by the mind is evident in our own experiences. The mind (or subconscious, if you prefer) seems to withhold certain things from the conscious as it would interfere with it's intended function and stability. This can be extreme sometimes and result in separate identities spawning, effectively creating more than one conscious partition. Think of your dreams and how, most of the time, they seem to fade away from memory as you wake up, although you do "remember" experiencing them quite vividly. You can sleep for 30 minutes and yet have a dream that seems to you to last for hours...then wake up, and remember very little of it. This is an altered state wherein the "veil" between your mind and your awareness is lifted, liberating you from the illusion of your conscious vehicle. You directly experience the mind and the reality it operates in. What you think of as "sleep" is merely an opportunity for the machine to conduct some repairs undisturbed. It's a chance to "check out" and leave the concerns of the flesh and blood experience. You can experience altered states in other ways, of course. You can learn how to induce them. Meditation is one method. This is a terribly complex thing to write about, lorelei. It's so difficult because the mind and who you are is so vast, the conscious cannot begin to see the whole picture through the agency of words. It's why I usually don't write about it, because I typically lose most people after the third paragraph. I can understand how that happens. Here's one way to look at all of this: your subconscious is your mind, and your conscious is your dream of life. What are we, exactly? We are souls given the spark of intentionality by the incomprehensible source of reality, God. We are like the ones who seeded us...we are them, in fact. No amount of mucking around with our DNA can change who we are. However, we can completely neglect who we are...we are free to go our own way here, after all. This is a life of lessons. It's my belief that we are meant to grow out of our delusion and experience what life offers along the way. After all, one can only learn if they don't know, right?
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Post by bewildered on Feb 24, 2011 21:25:14 GMT -6
Actually I can't sleep if any lights are on..even night lights...and about death I have no fear..just an urge to get on with things. Most people who believe in God..don't fear death..just the means of getting there. We're just not so fond of pain associated with that transition. Well said, jo. That's the issue I have with death. It will probably be terribly unpleasant and hurt. Alot. I'm not sure we ever lose what we experience, Jo. I'm quite certain, however, that the reality beyond our little sojourn in this life experience is likely not what we often imagine it will be. Death, like time, is mostly an illusion of our own conscious limitations and concepts. I can be certain that it's a transformation, yes...but I possess no answers beyond what anyone else can find out for themselves. "bewildered" is not pushing daisies yet. That's the only sure-fire way to find out, as we both know. There is a unity one can experience right now...but it's not exactly the "flowers and cherubs" variety. Reality is equal parts pain and pleasure, joy and sadness, beauty and terror...all blended together. It makes it more beautiful than words can ever express, because joy is deepened by sadness.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 0:21:47 GMT -6
Transitional tiers in this life are pain & joy. How can joy be comprehended at all without misfortune or pain to provide the gauge by which to measure it? Experience enough misfortune and joy can be simply the absence of pain for someone suffering. While we're here..we still have ego. I don't think it's necessary beyond this point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2011 10:46:59 GMT -6
Gads..must be channeling my inner monk.
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Post by paulette on Feb 26, 2011 11:51:48 GMT -6
Well said, jo. That's the issue I have with death. It will probably be terribly unpleasant and hurt. Alot. /quote] Woody Allen said something like - I don't mind dying, I just don't want to be there when it happens....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2011 13:57:23 GMT -6
I like that LOL
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Post by auntym on Mar 23, 2011 20:39:42 GMT -6
pda.physorg.com/news/2011-03-martian-scientists-instrument-proof.htmlAre you a Martian? We all could be, scientists say -- and new instrument might provide proof11:26, Space & Earth/Space Exploration Are we all Martians? According to many planetary scientists, it's conceivable that all life on Earth is descended from organisms that originated on Mars and were carried here aboard meteorites. If that's the case, an instrument being developed by researchers at MIT and Harvard could provide the clinching evidence. In order to detect signs of past or present life on Mars — if it is in fact true that we're related — then a promising strategy would be to search for DNA or RNA, and specifically for particular sequences of these molecules that are nearly universal in all forms of terrestrial life. That's the strategy being pursued by MIT research scientist Christopher Carr and postdoctoral associate Clarissa Lui, working with Maria Zuber, head of MIT's Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences (EAPS), and Gary Ruvkun, a molecular biologist at the Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard University, who came up with the instrument concept and put together the initial team. Lui presented a summary of their proposed instrument, called the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Genomes (SETG), at the IEEE Aerospace Conference this month in Big Sky, Mont. The idea is based on several facts that have now been well established. First, in the early days of the solar system, the climates on Mars and the Earth were much more similar than they are now, so life that took hold on one planet could presumably have survived on the other. Second, an estimated one billion tons of rock have traveled from Mars to Earth, blasted loose by asteroid impacts and then traveling through interplanetary space before striking Earth's surface. Third, microbes have been shown to be capable of surviving the initial shock of such an impact, and there is some evidence they could also survive the thousands of years of transit through space before arriving at another planet. So the various steps needed for life to have started on one planet and spread to another are all plausible. Additionally, orbital dynamics show that it's about 100 times easier for rocks to travel from Mars to Earth than the other way. So if life got started there first, microbes could have been carried here and we might all be its descendants. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by lois on Mar 23, 2011 20:49:43 GMT -6
Auntym.. Have you ever seen the crop circle which is rectangular with the alien at the bottom and his DNA at the top. It was sent as a answer to what we sent into space on the voyager. It match pretty much I would say by just looking at it.. Of course there is not proof yet Aliens make crop circles..
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Post by auntym on Mar 23, 2011 20:58:34 GMT -6
yes i did see that one....i think that is a great crop circle.... i don't believe people made it.....and i don't believe it is a natural phenomenon, so in my eyes it could only have been 'alien'
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Post by lois on Mar 24, 2011 13:50:33 GMT -6
Another non- skeptic one.. ;D ;D ;D
I could sit here and show tons of ufo and Aliens in the media, I don't believe in, in the least. That would take forever...
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