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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 13:48:39 GMT -6
I wished this case had been solved.. Freddie's Father waited for the Aliens to bring his son back for years and if still living, he probably is still doing the same thing. He goes to the shore line where his son vanished along with his plane on the day he vanished every year. The whole family sits there and waits.
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 14:25:56 GMT -6
When ask to name two historical sightings these two come to mind. As they are with green beams. I did not find these for twenty years when these TV programs were aired..Also they happem just a couple of years after my green beam encounter..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 14:49:55 GMT -6
There is some interesting rebuttal to Freddie's story and not everyone is convinced UFO's had anything to do with his disappearance. Depends on who you're talking too. Investigators and professional pilots don't see UFO's in their crystal balls and it does sound a bit like ole Freddie wasn't planning on coming back. A..Frederick filed only a one-way flight plan to King Island although he had indicated his intention to return the same evening. B..He made no arrangements for the landing lights at King Island to be turned on. C..Police found no one who had arranged to sell crayfish to Frederick -the stated intention for his flight. D..The aircraft's long range fuel tank was filled to its 303 litre capacity. E..Cape Otway lighthouse keepers and Bass Strait fishermen did not report seeing any light aircraft in the vicinity. F..Despite ideal conditions, at no time was the aircraft plotted on radar G..Melbourne Police received reports of a light aircraft making a mysterious landing not far from Cape Otway at the same time as Valentich's disappearance. H..Although Bass Strait - and later Cape Otway and King Island - were searched for signs of wreckage, nothing was found I..He had $300 cash on his person. (A lot of money in '78) J..He arranged to meet his girlfriend, Ms Rushton on the same evening at 7.30pm - a date he couldn't have possibly kept if he intended to keep his flight schedule. K..Frederick's father claimed that, 8 or 10 months before his "disappearance" 'My son told me he had seen a large brilliantly lit object in the western sky which was flying at a tremendous speed from south to north'. His father also stated that Frederick firmly believed in the existence of UFO's. Yet no mention was made of a UFO during his last radio communication. L..On the tape recording of the last conversation with the young pilot, there was no hint of panic in his voice. The article goes into more detail about each question and some of the transcript of his recording. The other URL is a professional pilots board discussing the possibilities. www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-aviation-questions/347973-fred-valentich-2.htmlwww.ufoera.com/articles/final-report-by-new-zealand-civil-aviation-investigators-on-the_1190310637.html
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 15:27:53 GMT -6
UFO sighting reports After news of Valentich's disappearance became public, a number of individuals reported witnessing unusual activity in the area.[3][4][5][6] Some people claimed to have seen "an erratically moving green light in the sky" [6] and in one instance witnesses, located about 2 km west of Apollo Bay, Victoria, stated that they saw a green light trailing or shadowing Valentich's plane, and that he was in a steep dive at the time.[6] Ufologists said these accounts were significant as most were recorded several years prior to the 1982 release of transcripts in which Valentich had described the object above him as having a green light
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 15:28:31 GMT -6
B. He made no arrangements for the landing lights at King Island to be turned on.
Normal procedure was to ask for the landing lights to be turned on before take-off. It was, however, possible to radio King Island in-flight and have the lights illuminated. (When Valentich first reported his engine problems, Melbourne Flight Service radioed King Island to illuminate the landing field).
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 15:30:41 GMT -6
F. Despite ideal conditions, at no time was the aircraft plotted on radar.
From "The Australian" Oct 24, 1978. Page 1:
Questions are still being asked why the missing aircraft was not picked up on radar at Melbourne Airport.
The Department of Transport's official explanation is that Mr Valentich's Cessna 182 was outside controlled airspace, and at 1400m was flying too low to be picked up on the long-range radar scan
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 15:33:13 GMT -6
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 15:39:46 GMT -6
They had planned to fly over rugged gullies on Cape Otway after calling on the cape lighthouse keeper for information. He told them that he had not heard an aircraft fly over the lighthouse at the time Valentich was said to be leaving land for Bass Strait.
The friends said that this was not unusual as pilots often 'cut the corner' and turn to sea when they see the lighthouse.
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 15:43:55 GMT -6
Searchers found an oil slick approximately where Valentich's aircraft might have gone down. Analysis showed it to be a weak mix of marine diesel. Pieces of metal and other debris were also recovered but were not considered to have come from the aircraft. The Cessna 182 was equipped with life-jackets and a "black box" radio survival beacon transmitting on a high distress frequency.
Freddie would not need any of the lifesaving aritcles if he was not in the plane when it went down.
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 15:48:46 GMT -6
'The Australian' Oct 23, 1978, Page 1, quotes Valentich's father:
...A calm Mr Valentich explained last night that his son had left at 6:15 pm on Saturday to fly to King Island to pick up some lobsters for the officers of the Air Training Corps.
"He intended coming back at 10 o'clock the same night," he said.
The 'Sunday Press', Oct 29, 1978, Page 1, quotes Valentich's girlfriend, Rhonda Rushton:
Rhonda, who had been dating Valentich for six months, said she had often gone flying with him.
He had asked her to go with him to King Island the night he disappeared.
"I wanted to go, but I couldn't make it from my home in East Preston to Moorabbin (airport) in time," she said.
"Now I wish I had gone." This girl can't keep her story straight.. she had a date with him which can not be verified either. Did he want her to go because he was leaving for good? Maybe
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 15:50:09 GMT -6
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 15:57:41 GMT -6
Freddie Father stated he was allowed to listen to the tape before they erased it. lol They did not erase anything. The government may have it who knows?
The radio man has changed his story much later. Wonder why?
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Post by auntym on Apr 4, 2011 16:25:20 GMT -6
this is one of the saddest cases of alien abduction i've ever heard ....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 16:28:52 GMT -6
To me it seems that there is evidence both ways but as usual..nothing concrete. For some reason I can't fathom people actually 'want' these things to be abductions...to me..I'd much rather think a crash than an unknown future at unknown hands. If he was abducted..was he eaten? tortured? experimented on? I just don't see it as a thing I'd want to have happen to anyone I cared about
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 21:19:43 GMT -6
His father did not look at that way I don't believe. Of course it would hurt to much if he did. I believe if he was taken, his Father truly thought the aliens were treating him well and would bring him back. If Freddie is alive, it was so cruel to treat his family this way. He did want to be a airline pilot someday, he sure screwed that up if he took off for parts unknown. None of it all adds up. We don't know him so we can not judge his charactor.
Lois
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Post by skywalker on Apr 4, 2011 21:28:03 GMT -6
You sure did a lot of research on this case, Shami. It must be very important to you.
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 21:28:51 GMT -6
I truely believed aliens did not keep people, but who knows all the missing people on this planet may of been abducted, a few anyway.
I remember the night I went into my house and it was 4 am by the clock. In bed I keep saying "Thank God they put me back as I have 4 small children." I was in doubt of it at one time..
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 21:32:41 GMT -6
It has always been sky.. He seen a green beam light up the cockpit of the plane and on one documentary , he told the tower, something is flowing around in the beam like hair strand. This is what I saw, but assumed it was the corn being taken..
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 21:42:06 GMT -6
If Freddie was hoaxing all this to the tower, why would he go into detail about the hair strands? It hit home with me for sure when I heard this. Did he think of something to say which I had really seen two years before. Pine Gap may of seen nothing as ufos has been known to defy radar..Why would that family lie about what they seen?. They gained nothing. The camera man may of not taken a photo of the ufo either, but he said he heard a plane just a few minutes before he shot the photo.
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Post by lois on Apr 4, 2011 21:45:09 GMT -6
sky go to my mufon report, where I tell about Freddie in it. I told I have left somethings out of this report which have to do with the Australian pilot who vanished.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 21:49:38 GMT -6
Shami..abducting people and conducting experiments without permission IS cruel. It's only in our minds that they are benign. It really is likely that at some point in the history of them hanging around..they have taken some people and I imagine they are in some alien lab somewhere exactly as they would be if we captured them. Either people don't want to believe they are here or people are trying to turn them into universal pals. We have 'contactees' who claim they are in communication..and they even give dates when they'll land and prove to everyone how wonderful they are. They never land..that's cruel also. What it means is that if they are in contact with some people...they like betraying them. I definitely believe that there is something visiting us. Not necessarily from another planet but something very technologically advanced and not particularly nice. It seems to like to keep everyone in a state of flux..no proof of their existence...no contact. I don't think the question should be 'are they here?' but 'what causes them to act this way toward us?' Profile them..what kind of mentality would treat others as they have? If it's possible at all. We'd have to assume we have any traits at all in common with them..ways of thinking, behavioral, moral and well..we can't be sure of that at all. We just happen to love puzzles..solving mysteries..and this is a pretty big one. We just have to be really careful not to 'create' them as we want them to be and to see them for what they are when we're able to do that.
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Post by lois on Apr 5, 2011 19:44:37 GMT -6
Jo, I don't know a thing about them, maybe this is why I won't ever remember those four hours it is too terrifying. Only at four I seen two beings and they resembled our Astronauts.. sometimes I think maybe it was a vision of seeing into the future somehow. I know I did see it.
The only thing I had ever seen at that time was deep sea divers maybe in those heavy iron suits. They may think of us the way we look at ants. So far beneath them they believe it does not matter. I have looked at it in this sense. What they want is what I would like to know. Are all the abductees experiencing a real experience? Like you said I know they are here by what I seen in the night sky. No government is going to find people and send beams down on them and return their memory after four hours. It had to be from another world. I speculate like everyone else. I do think it is possible they have not returned people. but again no way of knowing unless someone came back and told all about it. But they would be locked up..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 10:06:20 GMT -6
We never are left with proof and I'm sure that's no accident. Always just enough to keep people interested or tormented by it. I'm always amazed when I tell someone about my encounter how they could listen and then remark how much they would love to be abducted. Are they crazy? Why do people keep trying to turn these abductions into social gatherings with the 'aliens' here to usher us into a dawn of enlightenment where we all go sailing happily off with Captain Quirk? They always figure somehow an abduction would be different for them..they could breech the barrier and make contact..communicate with them and change the world. It matters to us to understand..I hope some day we will. I know one thing..if 'they' wanted it changed..it would be...if they wanted to chat..they would. They take samples of everything else Lois..I'm sure they have taken sample people long ago too. We may be very unique in that we have not just one race living on this planet. We have multiple races..several blood types and genetic anomalies. We have some very unique creatures (even the ones we know of) here on earth. Octopus, platypus, jellyfish, enormous whales and many varieties..amphibians, reptiles, mammals..herbivores..we have an enormous DNA bank of life. That would interest just about anyone who maybe comes from a place where there is one race of people..with less planet life. Maybe we are special in all the universe for that alone.
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Post by paulette on Apr 6, 2011 18:36:58 GMT -6
I found a book on the top of my pile of used UFO and related topics books - this one by Susan Michaels, Sighting UFO's. It is supposedly the larger interviews and background on stories they ran on the TV show Sightings (I don't know when). The book was published in 1997 and there is a chapter on The Disappearance of Frederick Valentich.
A few things stand out - they may be mentioned above but they seemed relevant to me when I read this:
1. On the day of his disappearance, Valentich was 20 years old and training to get additional certification. He planned his return leg of the flight after twilight, to get night mileage that would apply to his commercial pilots license. He already had a Class 4 and about 200 hours of flying time. This implies to me a very focused young man, a trained observer and pilot. . He attended a weather briefing and filed a flight plan with the Moorabbin Airport. The last thing in the world Frederick would have wanted would have been the story of a UFO on record with the tower. He was the first pilot to ever radio in that he was in the presence of a threatening UFO.
He was his father's first born son and they obviously talked to each other. The father was offered to take the trip with him and declined due to previous plans. His version of the day was that his son was going to catch some crayfish (not buy them and therefore there would be no record of sales or such) and also offer to bring home any air corpsmen needing a ride to the mainland. There was no mention in this account of whether he did or did not file a return flight plan. It is possible that he left it open in case some last minute person needing a ride was going to be late. The flight was only one hour's duration.
There is an account of him speaking to the Cape Otway control tower. There is also an unofficial report of additional things said that was given to his father. And there was also a picture taken by a random person (Roy Manifold) who was photographing the sunset. He heard a small plane go by (possibly Valentich) and then caught a strange dark form on his sunset shot. (This film was taken to the Kodiak lab in Victoria to see what it was - the photographer was wondering if the camera malfunctioned or if he did something wrong.) The negative was then sent to a computer enhancement and analysis laboratory in the US/ They substantiated that the object apparently was a metallic object and that the film had not been tapered with nor was defective. All these things seemed to point that there was something weird in the sky that twilight.
In part he told the tower: "It seems to me that he's playing some sort of game. He's flying over me two, three times at speeds I could not identify."
"It's not an aircraft. As it's flying past, it's a long shape, cannot identify more than that it has such speed....It seems like it's stationary right ...orbiting on top of me...It's got a green light and sort of metallic-like.
The engine is rough idling...That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again...
His father was allowed to hear a transcript of his son's last words once in the presence of military personnel. He said it was different than the above transcript.
Another version was published in the local paper after having been leaked by "anonymous airport personnel."
Some of that transcript included: "This is not an aircraft. Repeat. Not an aircraft known to us. An unidentified vehicle with a green light at terminus of upper cylinder. Outer projection appears to be aluminum or some other light metal...I see four light from the interior. Not windows, some other observation area.
At 7:14 he reported that he was..."bathed in a green light." "I feel scorching...I feel..." Then there was a metal scraping sound and that is the last anyone heard, saw or found any evidence of Frederick.
Some suggestions at the time included: He was flying upside down, disoriented and crashed inland (nothing was ever found). However he was talking for 6.5 minutes to the tower. His airplane could not have flown upside down for longer than 45 seconds (the fuel on the wing was gravity fed).
Pine Gap was a secret communications and tracking base, a joint US - Australian space defense facility. They released no information about anything else in the sky that day.
Reading this account, if it is accurate (and who knows?) it seems evident to me that the spin-doctors attempted to dismiss Valentich as a careless pilot, or maybe someone trying to get lost (and not tell his father and girl friend) or even someone who would hoax and suicide.
His father wished he had gone along. I guess no service guys happened to need a ride. I wonder if it would have been harder to discredit him if there were witnesses screaming in the background. Like most professionals even facing certain death in the cockpit, he stayed calm and informative to the very end...
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Post by skywalker on Apr 6, 2011 19:10:16 GMT -6
That's very good info, Paulette. I admit I have not done a huge amount of research into this case but from what have read it sounds to me like a good description of what might possibly be an actual abduction. It seems to be one of the more credible cases in existence.
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Post by lois on Apr 6, 2011 22:01:09 GMT -6
Paulette , I have what you have written on tape, thanks for putting it here. Two things I did not know was he took passenger on board at times. Also it was such a short trip.
I have wondered all these years what happen to the plane if he was taken out of it. Do you actually think they sucked up the whole plane? There was one report they found a oil slick but no plane..
Sightings did updates on Freddie a few times. I have them on tape, but could not find them on the net.. It shows his Father and family out on the spot where he vanished over looking the sea.. Waiting each year on the day Freddie was lost to him.. It was so sad.
He had dark hair, then I seen him grow old on TV. His hair had turned to silver and his face was getting old. I could not help but think how much he loved his son.. and how long he waited and never gave up.. I would like to know if this man is still living.. I believe his name is John Valentich..
When I included Freddie in my first report of my encounter I put John when it should of been Freddie.. It still is there as John the Australian pilot.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 6, 2011 22:10:54 GMT -6
The oil slick was supposedly from a boat. It was marine oil, not from a plane.
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Post by lois on Apr 6, 2011 22:11:18 GMT -6
This is the story I was looking for from Sightings, it was the first up date. I can tell by his Fathers looks in this one.. So sad
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Post by lois on Apr 6, 2011 22:14:39 GMT -6
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Post by skywalker on Jan 15, 2012 10:22:38 GMT -6
There is a thread going on over on the MUFON forum about somebody who is trying to find one of the files from the Valentich case. They were originally told that the file had been destroyed and it was listed as such but it later turned up in the national Archives. The law says that it can not be accessed until after 30 years and the 30 years have recently expired so the file should be able to be released. A FOI request was recently filed for the "missing" document and the person is still waiting for a response. Supposedly the turn around time is supposed to be 90 days but they claim that due to the high volume of requests it may take longer. I've been keeping watch on the thread and will let everybody know if the documents ever are released. Here is the original post that was made on the thread. Appendix six to the final report on the Disclosure Australia Project's five year search for Australian government UFO files concerned the disappearance of Frederick Valentich (see on 21 October 1978 while flying solo is an aircraft over Bass Strait, Australia. While flying to King Island, Valentich reported a UFO buzzing his plane, before he disappeared, never to be seen again. While looking through Australian government files (between 2003-2008) for UFO related material, the Project also kept an eye out for any papers concerning Frederick Valentich. On 10 August 2004, I submitted an FOI request to the federal Department of Transport requesting a copy of their accident/incident investigation report on Valentich - their file reference V116/783/1047. Their reply on 1 September 2004 in part read "I understand that file V116/783/1047 has been destroyed by the National Archives of Australia." An electronic search of the NAA's records failed to find any trace of this file. It did indeed appear that it was no longer with us. Fast forward to earlier tonight, when I was browsing the NAA website and to my amazement there was file - safely in the Archives! File series B1497 control symbol V116/783/1047 DSJ - Cape Otway to King Island. 21 October 1978 - Aircraft missing (Valentich). Date range 1978-1992. Barcode 10491375. Location - Melbourne. There was one hitch thought, the status of the file is shown as "closed." This in theory means that although the file is in the NAA you can't access it. Then I noticed that the reason for it being closed was that in 2008 when the status was shown as closed, the 30 year rule did not apply. Via the Archive Act you can only access files with papers on them providing they are more than 30 years old. Now it is 2011, so one should be able to access papers on the file provided they are dated 1978, 1979 or 1980. The Archives still won't let you access papers less than 30 years old. Needless to say, I have just lodged an application for access to the files, which should get me the 1978-1980 papers. This process can take up to three months, so I will keep you posted. However, finally we might get to see what the Department of Transport's investigation found.
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