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Post by Morgan Sierra on Jun 28, 2012 8:15:50 GMT -6
Paulette requested that this be made into a separate thread... ...have you ever considered that you may have a protector (s)? My theory is if you've garnered the attention of greys, who are known to be selfish and malicious, if not totally unfeeling, you've also garnered the attention of their enemies. Being human, and not able to choose sides as a child, AND you're still alive, well, at least consider it. This is a very interesting concept and I wonder if the moderator could break it out or copy it to its own thread? Has anyone else had the experience of being "warned off" that they attribute or theorize could be from a different ET group? Steve touched on the topic that some ETs try to prevent abductions and experimentation by other less respectful groups. I also think its VERY INTERESTING that Randy doesn't feel that he is being discouraged from talking here. Has anyone here felt a dread or worry about posting? Like I said - another whole topic which arose from someone seemingly recanting while on the air! (I would think his problems arose from human interventions).
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Post by paulette on Jun 28, 2012 8:40:37 GMT -6
I can't speak about helpful interventions from ETs - but certainly people tell stories of being warned off by something. One such person is my ex-brother-in-law. We were sitting around talking and he told me that once he was driving and all of a sudden IN HIS HEADLIGHTS he saw a little old glowing man. Little like 4 feet tall. He did an emergency stop and only then realized that the hillside had come down on the road - huge rocks - and he would have hit it doing highway speed. (This is not an uncommon event in soggy BC). The thing is, his wife looked at him in amazement and said, "I can't believe he told you that! He has never told anyone - and neither have I." Apparently she was in the car as well! These folks are unimaginative, not readers, don't watch sci-fi movies and definitely DO NOT believe in magical or extra terristrial beings. The event could not be fit into any catagory and so was not spoken of again. But there you go.
Whenever I hear these things however I think, "What about the people who WEREN'T warned? We (Canadians) just had a shopping mall collapse and the survivors just happened to be somewhere in the building that didn't squash flat. No one had a sudden urge to go outside (that I heard about anyway). If this was a guardian angel phenomena, then some of them must have been asleep at the wheel. Or the universe needed to end the lives of 5 compulsive mall goers.
I DID feel a dread about posting here while I was reading Steve's channeling or dialogues with Han. I really had to work through it. That being because I had felt "tagged" as a younger person and thought I might be providing an update to what had become a stale link. That has faded however.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 12:09:40 GMT -6
I too am reluctant to talk about this subject, because there is always the fact that others have lost loved ones to "accidents". I am also reluctant to talk about psi abilities, because in the back of my mind is the "unfairness of it all". I have stated my believe in my abilities as coming from the Holy Spirit, at His will and His timing, but I also feel I am a good "conduit"; for some reason . There are times I have felt "creepy", at anytime that I have been on my computer. Whether it was on a forum, or whatever. It should be no surprise that I have a piece of black tape over the camera on my PC. I have not liked the comments on here about muffin. That's just me . If there was something more substantial on them, I might think differently. My feelings on them, however, were occasionally "creepy" when I was actively posting on their forum. Today I can say I feel "creepy" about muffin because obviously they should have a humongous database by now, and I feel that there should be some progress felt by the community in general, due to this information.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 13:01:43 GMT -6
In all fairness I cannot say the grey's were helping or harming me except for the pain they caused that night and the mental confusion ever since. They could've been there to help one of my family members or myself,I just don't know. I do know there is the "unknown agenda" which I'm seeking to find answers ( yeah, good luck right ?). Something happened a long time ago which Ive never disclosed because I didn't want to influence any young drivers out there to try themselves. I will not speak of this over the forum for that reason. If any of our members here is interested in knowing, send a p.m. and I'll discuss it there. It too involves "help" I received. I'll just say here that I shouldn't have made it through this event. I feel if we ask the proper way, we all can have "gaurdians". Unfortunately though fate sometimes has it's own destiny I believe. Several months ago some of the members here were feeling uncomfortable about something. I think some even suggested it may have been because of "Han". I too felt that uneasement (that's not a word is it?) but I didn't feel it had anything to do with him/her . I don't know what was causing it but it was there and evidently others here knew it too. I don't "feel" that way anymore. Jc, you mentioned black tape over your webcam,,,lol. I hear ya ! Every time I see that thing pointed at me I turn it another direction. For some odd reason ( maybe it's just the cord?), that thing finds it's way back to where I'm sitting ,,,lol. Paranoia ? Yep,,,I guess I am in that respect. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 16:59:34 GMT -6
I have been warned off of accidents and 'moved' in other directions. I've been called to places and shown things. I'd never attribute any of it to 'grey's' or other aliens. I know what direction this comes from but that's not where the thread is headed..so suffice it to say..nope nothing from the aliens other than trauma. I'm always interested to hear stories of benign aliens..I would struggle to believe it though. Once bit...
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Post by jarmen71 on Jun 28, 2012 20:41:52 GMT -6
I feel that I am warned about many things.
I think they are guides that help us when we don't understand that we need help. Everyone has one, but some people do not listen because of the stigma society has placed on hearing voices. Yes, there is a bit of guilt associated with knowing things before others and I'm sure most of us try to help others by telling them things but not everyone listens.
I trust that things are only visible and only heard by people with open minds and have very little fear. Some are given the gift and it should be treasured.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 22:32:21 GMT -6
I agree Jarmen..we all have guides and we could all hear them if we would listen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 8:10:54 GMT -6
. . Yes, there is a bit of guilt associated with knowing things before others and I'm sure most of us try to help others by telling them things but not everyone listens. Its not "guilt" for me. Especially when I can do things like heal someone else by taking on their illness . of all things, "guilt" is a tool of the devil. A big one for the righteous and the unsuspecting, alike, IMHO. "guilt" is the natural "pricking" of ones conscience to check oneself for fault. The natural thing to do is to repent (even perceived fault), ask for forgiveness in whatever way a person can, and accept forgiveness. We all know what true repentance looks and sounds like, and we all know about those people who are slow learners and/or very forgetful . And, people can learn to ignore their conscience . My above post is just about me. I tend to want to write a "disclaimer" before I do any "boasting" ;D. Boasting that I have learned to listen to my "inner voice"? Nah. More like I have an acceptance and understanding of tragedy at this point in my life, and some people don't think like I do. I accept that they don't think like I do, and may not want to. However, I desire to try and feel what they feel, without being able to think like they do. Its a conundrum. Hearing peoples thoughts, "reading" their minds, is not always what that person is "actively" thinking . Anger is a disguise for sadness. . . ugh. It takes me forever just to say I'm concerned about displaced anger.
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Post by sunbow on Jul 1, 2012 14:03:43 GMT -6
IMO: I believe that often tragedy and even death are misinterpreted from from our limited human materialistic perspective. Eternal Souls experience many things in many incarnations. Death is bad from the point of view of the living, but perhaps the Soul that moved on needed to for the next phase of growth. Note: I do hope to live long and healthy, but I also know I am just a guest in this incarnation. I do try to listed to the messages and indications present as I make my choices.
IMO: There is guardian sentient energy that interacts personally with us. I do not separate it from the totality of creation and personify it. I do not apply mental filters and make it a being like myself. I do not think that the source is an advanced alien race.
The grays may have our best interests at heart or may be preparing to steal the resources of our planet: we cannot know. We are in the sixth great extinction level event, the last one was 65,000,000 years ago - this is science. If the melting of the ice caps cause the earth's axis to wobble and tilt, humans could easily perish. Also we could do ourselves in with nuclear or biologic war. They could be protecting us, even if they find us dangerous and dirty. They could have humanities best interests at heart, even though they might justify pain and trauma to an individual as worth the end result to our race as a whole. We think from a person point of view, not from a community - humanity point of view.
"The allies of humanity" book series by MV Summers, although presented as a received message, very intelligently discusses galactic politics and a primitive race like humanity could very easily be exploited (as the Americas were by the Europeans). I believe book one is still a free PDF download.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 10:26:27 GMT -6
I agree with much of what you say Sun bow. I think the soul evolves from it's incarnations..choosing the areas it want's to develop. I suppose the rub is the id..or personality that has to deal with what the soul has ordered up. Sometimes we become overly attached to our lives. I agree JC that psychic ability (I'm not convinced it's a gift) does come from the creator (to me that's God) and it's more developed in some than others because it's a 'channel' to the more spiritual path. I think the more you ask for that connection the more it develops so messages can be received. It is said..that angels and ascended masters can help in our lives if we ask. If we're more grounded than spiritual it wouldn't be as developed I think. My situation as a child had me praying to someone who might help me as no one else was..and I've done it all of my life. Maybe if I had more concerned parents I wouldn't have developed the connection to that side..I'd have been more bonded to them. That didn't happen. I was a very solitary child and no one cared what I was outside doing. I remember one day when I was about 5 (about the alien time also) I was out playing on a summer day and I backed into this overhanging rock..well ..hisss rattle rattle (our area is big on rattlesnakes). Nothing as ever moved as fast as I did..I was in front of a coiled snake one moment and outside the next with no sensation of moving. I believe I have had a very sheltered and protected existence because I was so alone. I think that attracted the grey too...they are very curious. Forgive me if I jump helter skelter..I'm still plotting my map..piecing things together too.
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Post by sunbow on Jul 2, 2012 14:44:52 GMT -6
"I was a very solitary child and no one cared what I was outside doing." -- This describes me very well. I wonder about how common that is among us here.
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Post by paulette on Jul 2, 2012 20:00:04 GMT -6
Describes me as a child bang on. I remember once cutting across a somewhat overgrown area of a mile - rather than walking down the road and then resuming my way home the longer way. I am about 8 in this memory. I walked into a circle of pricky pear cactus and a rattle snake started rattling. I didn't know if I had disturbed it and it was behind me or, it was in front of me or. somewhere in the cactus. I figured my only real choice was to go forward and I did. I knew, at that age, that if it struck me I would never get home and no one would know where I was. I never told anyone because I feared being told I would have to stay home. I wandered large distances both on foot and on my bike. It is not an exaggeration to say that I sometimes biked (on the hard sand on the beach) for ten miles out and then back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 23:35:29 GMT -6
Now isn't that interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 2:30:30 GMT -6
I was bullied and picked on as a child without mercy all though elementary and middle school... my own sister hated me because she was jealous of me... I was very solitary too... until high school... My sister was a social butterfly always going to parties and stuff and mom forced me to go and I never wanted to go because I knew they'd be mean to me... but mom made me go anyway... I preferred to spend time in the school library reading novels... I was always seen wandering the hallways holding a book in my hands and reading- the principal always beamed whenever she saw me and she'd always say, "I wish more kids were like you..." Hmmmmmmm.... interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 9:45:47 GMT -6
Would seem that a more solitary child develops inwardly finding comfort in books and 'make believe'. I think being very adaptable is also a trademark. That would tend to make for a more open minded little being and probably develop the psychic bent. I was thinking last night Lorelei that you fit because of your early years being picked on and all. I was in school too. I look back now and think wow..if my mom had taken me shopping or been sober enough to feed me correctly..things would have been hugely different. Then I think..oh..but then I'd be just like that vain person next door...instead of thinking thoughts she couldn't ever begin to think. LOL I am still an arrogant leo to a certain extent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 13:06:52 GMT -6
I know what you mean Jo... I'm sorry your mom was a horrible parent... My mom was like Dr. Jeckyl and Mister Hyde and I know I spelled the first one wrong but I don't care... day time mom was cool. Night time mom was scary... (drunk mom)... but yea... Alcohol makes the nicest people become evil... I've seen it many times... I still remember that little girl who came into the liquor store one day with her mother- she was maybe nine or ten years old. Her mother's hair was all a mess and her clothes were dirty and she smelled as though she hadn't bathed and was buying a bottle of cheap liquor. I reached for the bottle to scan it with my hand gun, and the little girl laid her hand on my hand- the one holding the scan gun and stared up at me with her eyes all big and round and exclaimed, "DON'T DO IT! PLEASE!!" I stared at the little girl... the mother's mouth dropped open in shock and embarrassment... I completely shut down. I couldn't believe the words that came out of my mouth after that... I brushed the child's hand off of mine and said to her, "It's your mother's choice- not yours." Wow. After they left I wanted to cry but I didn't...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 15:30:13 GMT -6
It was funny then but sure isn't now. My mothers favorite rhyme was..what's the word?? Thunderbirdddd (very cheap wine). So my very nobelesque father..divorced her and got custody..remarried and something changed after all. They could afford bourbon LOL. I see in those years..the creation of the me I am now and since I like me. it's all good. I'm sure it turned out exactly as it was meant to turn out..aliens and all. Since we're all here..we must have commonalities
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 17:25:07 GMT -6
Paulette requested that this be made into a separate thread... ...have you ever considered that you may have a protector (s)? My theory is if you've garnered the attention of greys, who are known to be selfish and malicious, if not totally unfeeling, you've also garnered the attention of their enemies. Being human, and not able to choose sides as a child, AND you're still alive, well, at least consider it. This is a very interesting concept and I wonder if the moderator could break it out or copy it to its own thread? Has anyone else had the experience of being "warned off" that they attribute or theorize could be from a different ET group? Steve touched on the topic that some ETs try to prevent abductions and experimentation by other less respectful groups. I also think its VERY INTERESTING that Randy doesn't feel that he is being discouraged from talking here. Has anyone here felt a dread or worry about posting? Like I said - another whole topic which arose from someone seemingly recanting while on the air! (I would think his problems arose from human interventions). I had a dream about a female gray once when I was about 19... around the time I was having all of those nightmares about apocalyptic events and such... she came rushing into my bedroom and told me, "Hurry! Come with me! The bad ones are coming!" Now- grays have always scared the poop out of me... but she didn't for some reason in this dream- usually when I dream about them I wake up trembling and in a cold sweat but this time I didn't... I went along with her because I didn't want the "bad ones" to get me... Perhaps my subconscious mind knows something I don't know...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 22:17:45 GMT -6
Well..if I understood correctly Steve's friend Han looks like a Grey..and so maybe there are divisions of bad/good..beats me. If it looks like one of the things that I met..it's on my radar as bad. If there are good ones...they need to have some serious facial reconstruction done.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 3, 2012 22:19:01 GMT -6
"I was a very solitary child and no one cared what I was outside doing." -- This describes me very well. I wonder about how common that is among us here. That describes me pretty well also. I was always reading and writing and doing whatever I wanted to do. Half the time my parents had no idea where I was and probably didn't care as long as I came home sooner or later. Perhaps the psychic abilities in us are more developed simply because we used our minds more than most other people who just go out and socialize and never think about anything. Maybe that is what attracted our little gray space pirate buddies also. Maybe they were attracted to our thoughts somehow...or maybe our emotions? Who knows?
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Post by paulette on Jul 3, 2012 22:39:10 GMT -6
Now isn't that interesting. First I thought you were being sarcastic (because I rant on) then I realized - many of us were solo children, wandering more than average alone. (I believe there was a thread about this on Mufon). It is a commonality. Ditto having a drinking and drunken mother. I am another adult child of... Predators home in on the ones not under protection. ET predators might as well. Or maybe also ETs who want to study human (human children) without causing a disturbance.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 3, 2012 22:47:28 GMT -6
Predators do hone in on children lacking protection but so do compassionate people. If you found a poor little lost puppy dog out in the freezing cold would you leave it there to suffer or take it in and try to help it. Since this thread is about ETs protecting people perhaps they were trying to help...in their own weird alien way. Anything is possible I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 22:51:11 GMT -6
Predators do hone in on children lacking protection but so do compassionate people. If you found a poor little lost puppy dog out in the freezing cold would you leave it there to suffer or take it in and try to help it. Since this thread is about ETs protecting people perhaps they were trying to help...in their own weird alien way. Anything is possible I suppose. Yea... trying to help out an eight year old by scaring the crap out of her one night after mommy and daddy went to bed and left her alone in the living room... maybe... ~sigh~ I wish they had given me some hot chocolate or something...
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Post by paulette on Jul 4, 2012 9:56:06 GMT -6
I guess my speculations ran to intervening in an abduction or getting a child home that had wandered too far. Thanks for re-focusing me Skywalker.
Lorelei, how would you comfort a little wild - say lion. You probably wouldn't have any meat in your pocket (the equivilent of hot chocolate to a little lion). It's possible that the Visitors do not touch each other - no one has ever seen hand holding or hugging in their experiences or dreams with ETs. The best they seem to be able to do is "put one out".
So you hear a lion crying and he's alone - but now what? This is just a line of thought I'm running out. You sorta want to look at it and maybe measure it and take blood samples or put a tag in (not pleasant proceedures for the lion). Then you either move it to somewhere safer, or leave it and watch to see what happens.
There are stories I've read before in which a child's "imaginary friend" appears to be an ET. Again, on Mufon or Ufomania. And the child plays for YEARS with it. Makes tea parties. I could see Steve's character Han doing this - having child level conversations and pretending to sip tea. Because any conversations with humans would have to be at a very low level of sharing.
Just to make it clear, I've been helped out in mysterious ways (often an overvoice in my head that tells me what to do). I never have a visual of anything suggestive of ET. So I'm willing to put these experiences in the "spiritual guide" or just general - help given without knowing anything more than that. When I reduced my husband's dislocated shoulder - I absolutely KNEW what to do. Of course I didn't. But that was my absolute feeling - and it worked. Was I helped by someone otherly who had tagged me as a child? An interdimensional contact? God or angels (I don't generally give them their due)? I love life BECAUSE its mysterious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2012 12:41:28 GMT -6
My daughters and I talked about this yesterday . We hadn't made an effort to "compare notes", but we all knew we had recent sightings . We talked about the notion that these things seem to be following us around. One of my daughters had a sighting in her best friends back yard the same night that I did. It was important to me to find out that the best friend saw the same thing that she did . Also, regarding my daughters seeing "blue lights" more than once recently. The electric color of blue is troublesome to me, and it bothered them more also. As many of you know, I'm now living in the same house I grew up in, with the same (little change) of the neighborhood that I mostly wandered alone in. The nearby woods are still there, with a paved road going through where it used to be a dirt track. A couple boys around here have quadrunners and I see them head for the woods . A couple of years ago I saw them heading that way every day with boards. Yeah! Another fort! I have a lot of happy memories, some scary ones, and a lot of blanks . I am overly protective of my kids, including rigid check in times. Sometimes I wish I could trust "something else" to help me protect my kids ;D. Their dad, when he was a drunk, just let them "go". Now that he is sober he's getting very rigid also, and the kids had a TON of adjusting at his house the last year and a half . But I had to let them go over there from a young age, and I prayed a lot. So did others . And soon all 3 kids will be driving. My daughters and I do not think these "things" we sometimes observe, or that are apparently observing us, are angels. This was our topic yesterday; that some people might think that they are. We talked about our belief that angels might appear as whatever is necessary in someones' time of need. And there's the chance of "entertaining angels unawares", which wouldn't be (I assume) a time of need for the human (?). It does make this subject kind of difficult . When a human bothers me, I could be helped by another human, "E.T.", or divine intervention. If "E.T." bothers me, I could be helped by. . . the same? Is this how that "tagged lion" feels? I'm really trying to put a positive spin on this for my kids. Somehow. Lorelei, your experience at 8 yrs. old, was devastating. As was Jokellys. and anyone who experiences it this way as a child. I can't help but think, though, that you were visited more. That maybe that grey getting right up in your face was a last ditch effort to "put you under"; that whatever they had been doing wasn't working any more. Ding! Ding! Ding! Patient's BP and heart rate is rising, she must be awake! And you remember this one. ;D As terrible as that sounds, this memory is important.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2012 15:06:16 GMT -6
~hugz JC~
I know... thanks... I've been thinking about that too lately... I "snapped out of it" before they wanted me to... just like when I was four to have my tonsils taken out. I was lying there all stoned and the doctor came over to me in the OR and I could tell he was smiling at me even though he had the mask on because of the lines around his eyes. He looked down at me and said, "...you're not asleep... are you?"
;D "Nope!"
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Jo's memories are a lot more traumatic though... Gosh... I don't think I could deal with stuff like that...
Paulette, you're probably right. I don't have any meat in my pocket right now either... I guess I'd better not go around looking for abandoned baby wolves, huh? ;D
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Post by skywalker on Jul 4, 2012 16:59:20 GMT -6
I've always thought that these alien beings treat us all like animals. They may help some of us and they may hurt others. They might even hurt people while trying to help them...like if we found a sick baby lion or whatever and tagged it and gave it some shots to help it fight off whatever disease it had. To us it would be clear we were trying to help but to the baby lion it could end up being a horrible traumatic experience.
Imagine if a little boy were out in the woods and got separated from his parents and he suddenly saw a lion coming towards him. Imagine if the child ran as fast as he could to get away and the lion caught him with its big paws and chomped down on the collar of the boys shirt. Then imagine if the lion carried the child back to his family and let him go safe and sound. That's not behavior we would normally expect from a lion but that is probably how little animals feel when we go out and grab them. They probably see us as a predator. We see aliens the same way.
That doesn't mean I'm saying that all aliens are good or helpful. Some may be but others may be the exact opposite. The analogy that aliens may have given rise to the belief in angels could be correct, but remember that ancient people also believed in demons as well. They might originally have been ETs also.
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Post by paulette on Jul 5, 2012 9:30:30 GMT -6
Ah...Skywalker - I think you've struck the balance that makes best sense to me. I think of all the programs I've watched - the Dog Whisper, The Horse Whisperer, shows in which people befriend wild animals. And to use Caesar Milan as an example - because people don't know what MESSAGE they are giving their dogs - the dogs often end up with difficult behaviors. I would guess that if an Otherly intelligence visited us - it wouldn't necessarily understand us. Even if it wanted to. We have wonderfully horrible examples of treating slightly different human beings cruelly - Indians, Africans, hell just about everyone with a difficult culture or different colored skin. And not just whites either although they had the power to do the most damage. So why think that an alien would understand how much something would hurt or what would provoke fear? Hence they knock out or erase the memories. They may well understand that a human would have a visceral reaction of disgust to them - to hairless gray bodies or whatever. I saw a show on Weird of What last night that was about a slightly humanoid creature found in a trap in Mexico. The show pretty much proved that it was a hoax. But in show - the people who found it drowned it in a bucket of chemicals. I mean, putting this on the air as if it is a REASONABLE response...!
If ETs have telepathy - and that is well discussed likelihood here - then they know that when we see them we want to bash them (our first primitive response).
Someone wrote a sci-fi novel - there was a ship with varied ETs and humans on it. One creature (very intelligent and useful) lived in a kind of aquarium and was beloved by everyone and thought to be beautiful. One day it died and its shipmates were repulsed and disgusted by what it actually looked like. If aliens can shape-shift into tall blondes, they are likely to get more dates (and information).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 9:34:41 GMT -6
If ETs have telepathy - and that is well discussed likelihood here - then they know that when we see them we want to bash them (our first primitive response). ...or run away as fast as we can after peeing our pants...
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Post by sunbow on Jul 6, 2012 7:54:38 GMT -6
Telepathy. There is so much in our heads that we never reveal to others. If they were to sit in a cloaked ship and just hang out and listen to people's thought, what would they think about us?
It is interesting that much spirituality (traditional and new age) is concerned with meditation, quieting the 'monkey mind' and gaining control over our thoughts.
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