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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 12:58:19 GMT -6
It was quite awhile ago that I had my 'experience' but one thing that stood out to me was the disdain..or actually indifference the things had. Touching me was distasteful to them..I could 'read' that clear as a bell. They were having a terrible time trying to manage my friend who was hysterical..they didn't seem to be able to deal very well or make their vu du work through her total panic. This is one reason I think they pick on people who are psychic..they can use their mental whammy to a better advantage. I was in some twilightly place with my head feeling like it was stuffed full of cotton while she was screaming her brains out (she's about as psychic as a rock). It's always seemed pretty logical to me that they just can't handle some people comfortably.
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Post by sunbow on Jul 7, 2012 20:12:32 GMT -6
They might be trying to help humanity as a whole, even while traumatizing individuals and while being grossed out by handling individuals while doing procedures.
Interesting thought, that psychic people would be easier to control psychically.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 0:04:50 GMT -6
More compatible minds? That's what I'm guessing anyway.
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Post by sunbow on Jul 8, 2012 12:17:18 GMT -6
Agreed. It doesn't make sense to try and communicate with a brick wall. At the same time, being telepathic for ages would greatly change how one thinks. I sense that they have a very poetic graphic mental landscape which does not convert into words very easily, except perhaps when they give commands. Words are very ambiguous (just look at religious interpretation) and so there must be better ways to communicate thoughts. Also they might seem emotionless sometimes, because they might control when they express feelings, since those feelings would be public.
We are really bad at listening.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 15:02:00 GMT -6
It is interesting that much spirituality (traditional and new age) is concerned with meditation, quieting the 'monkey mind' and gaining control over our thoughts. I've wondered about this too. I "quiet my mind" and its Ok; peaceful even. But I wonder if its this way for everyone? One time, many years ago, and I remember the day, I had a totally random, weird thought. I mean, this was so against my nature that it got my attention and scared me. I was walking out of a building, very happy, and kind of swinging my young son (under 2 yrs. of age) in my arms, and a "voice" suggested I drop him. "Just drop him" it said. I remember knowing that it wasn't my own voice (though it sounded "normal"), ignoring the suggestion, and actually acting like I didn't hear it. I continued what I was doing but maybe hurried a bit more to my car? I remember wanting to look up, but I'm not sure why.
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Post by paulette on Jul 8, 2012 15:10:24 GMT -6
Wow. Glad you were clear that it was bogus. Every once in a while there is a well publized case in which a mother believed she was "told" to hurt or kill her children - and does. Most folk would clearly say - oh it was a part of her mind that she suppressed. (the part that wants to kill one's own children?) But what if...someone or thing will telepathic powers could do that - just for fun or for an experiment or to test their powers. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 17:08:17 GMT -6
I've been 'told' to do something only once and it was in answer to something I had asked for and it was legitimate..to show me something important. Usually my 'messages' are not that crystal clear. Having something tell you to drop your son..sounds like either someone testing themselves (as Paulette suggested) or someone very malicious. Of course there was the bible story of God telling Abraham to kill Isaaic..testing his faith. Doesn't seem like he chats with folks as he used to do though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 21:54:11 GMT -6
what if...someone or thing will telepathic powers could do that - just for fun or for an experiment or to test their powers. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Exactly. I never had another "thought" like this again, and obviously none of you ever had a "random thought" like this either. It still scares me. Bringing up the fact that some people try to say that they were "told to kill their own children", why didn't they tell anyone they had been hearing this?? what about other stuff people hear?? I can admit this happened because it happened once. To me, that's a huge clue. Surely my brain would have repeated it or something like it if it was MY mental aberration. People would hate to admit that they heard a "voice", even one time, because of what people think. So, what if someone with "power" started out small? They've been watching you, for example, that you do laundry every Wednesday. So they suggest that you do it on Tuesday. You don't change. so, they try it again the next week. And so on. Eventually you DO change it to Tuesdays and that works out fine . So, the next time the "power voice" says, go to the store and buy eggs NOW. "Well, that's odd, but why not?" you say to yourself. Or how about a "voice" that says "wake up" while you are sleeping? You just woke up at the best part of a dream and you have no idea why . Test this on a few hundred people. . . and they get a pretty good idea about what people can be "pushed" and to what extent. I also bet that the ones that can't be "pushed", even in a small way, stand out. It still scares me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 10:03:32 GMT -6
It would scare me too JC because it wasn't a benign suggestion it was very malignant How many people who commit suicide do it because someone told them to? Or slaughter their families.. I know that schizophrenics hear voices and see people we do not see. One of our nobel prize winners was a schizophrenic who couldn't function on the meds so he conditioned himself to know they were not real and when he accepted his prize there were 3 people celebrating that no one else can see. His were not malicious but there are lots of stories about schizophrenic 'visions' making someone do horrible things. I think it's very possible that some things chalked up to mental conditions are the work of something we can't see. I'd really like to stay off of their radar if that's the case
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Post by skywalker on Jul 10, 2012 14:00:15 GMT -6
Agreed. It doesn't make sense to try and communicate with a brick wall. At the same time, being telepathic for ages would greatly change how one thinks. I sense that they have a very poetic graphic mental landscape which does not convert into words very easily, except perhaps when they give commands. Words are very ambiguous (just look at religious interpretation) and so there must be better ways to communicate thoughts. Also they might seem emotionless sometimes, because they might control when they express feelings, since those feelings would be public. We are really bad at listening. I was just recently thinking about this very thing, sunbow. I was wondering how a telepathic race would think to themselves. When we think we have a tendency to use words because that is how we communicate with other people but if there is no language people wouldn't be talking to themselves while thinking. I think their thoughts would be much more fluid...probably quicker and more abstract...kind of like thinking without really thinking, but at the same time just knowing. Like automatic realization without having to go through the time consuming process of rationalizing things. I bet our limited brains cannot even begin to comprehend some of the things an advanced race of beings might know so how could we ever hope to be able to communicate with them? We would be trying to form one sentence and they might already be an entire encyclopedia ahead of us.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 10, 2012 14:07:52 GMT -6
It would scare me too JC because it wasn't a benign suggestion it was very malignant How many people who commit suicide do it because someone told them to? Or slaughter their families.. I know that schizophrenics hear voices and see people we do not see. One of our nobel prize winners was a schizophrenic who couldn't function on the meds so he conditioned himself to know they were not real and when he accepted his prize there were 3 people celebrating that no one else can see. His were not malicious but there are lots of stories about schizophrenic 'visions' making someone do horrible things. I think it's very possible that some things chalked up to mental conditions are the work of something we can't see. I'd really like to stay off of their radar if that's the case If they can communicate telepathically there is no telling what type of effect they could have on us and our daily thoughts. How would we know which thoughts are ours and which aren't? They could be controlling us without us even knowing it. I also think they seek out psychic people because it is easier to communicate or control them. Perhaps they could even use some form of telepathic hypnosis...giving people hypnotic suggestions to do things and then causing them to forget everything that happened, just with the power of their minds. Psychic mind control is what it would be. I'm sure the government would love to get their hands on that type of technology...if they haven't already...
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Post by paulette on Jul 10, 2012 20:00:45 GMT -6
We (telephathic) are "louder". Easier to find. Hans told Steve that ETs were interested in human emotions and that it drew them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 0:17:15 GMT -6
Interesting..I've been saying that all year. Guess I'm just reading their minds..wrong..that would be icky
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 15:58:23 GMT -6
Lonely traumatized children like we were when we were children... lots of intense emotions... psychic abilities as well...
We must have been sending psychic beacons out to them in space... each of us a brilliant spotlight among a vast sea of dimly burning candles...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 16:16:44 GMT -6
Well..it seems we've at least found some bit of a connection. We're just more obvious to them? Swell.
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Post by paulette on Jul 11, 2012 21:57:54 GMT -6
Lonely traumatized children like we were when we were children... lots of intense emotions... psychic abilities as well... We must have been sending psychic beacons out to them in space... each of us a brilliant spotlight among a vast sea of dimly burning candles... I TOTALLY believe this Lorelei!
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Post by skywalker on Jul 11, 2012 22:33:10 GMT -6
I agree with that also. It makes perfect sense. The psychic abilities by themselves would make us more obvious to them. Add to that the intense emotions and maybe we were reaching out to them without even knowing it. We may as well have just ran into the lab and jumped into the maze by ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 23:27:01 GMT -6
I figured out that I attracted the first visit..tears..lonely child but it really hadn't dawned on me that the second visit was at a time of trauma in my life also..I was having a ton of emotional havoc at home. My friend and I decided to ride in the area where we knew we were trespassing and they probably siphoned that from my wee brain. I always wondered how we managed to 'run into' them that day.
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Post by lois on Jul 12, 2012 0:37:12 GMT -6
This idea has no foundation to stand on, but I think they are here to alter something that has gone amiss. And it all went wrong in our time of evolution. It may be a change which will go un noticed by even the great minds of our day. If they change our history which has not happen yet. How would we know anything was altered or changed.
They are intervening something.. some how.. some where.. some time.. . It is important that they do this. This some how would be to our advantage, maybe not in our lifetime but some future generation..
They have shown many abductee's destruction scene's of earth. Why would they bother to do this? In the Andress {sp} case she said they showed her a new world. It was a scene of a family having a picnic in a park.. Sort of like heaven right her on earth.
If is to be our future, the aliens may have to help this happen. If so they are more than just protecting us.
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Post by lois on Jul 12, 2012 0:54:07 GMT -6
Why would they care about us? Because there is some genetic link between us and them? We say for the betterment of mankind. They say the betterment of the universe. Our reality is not out there yet. Like Michio stated ..
If a planet has survived long enough to take them into the universe it must of been a race without wars and differences. They had to care. Would they be this way and want to explore other life to hurt them . No of course not. They valued their own planet too much to hurt others or they would of been annihilated.. He thinks one in hundreds of thousand probably make it into space. We are privilege our selves but have a long way to go. We our only warp one stage Michio tells it.
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Post by lois on Jul 12, 2012 0:58:48 GMT -6
When the bible says Good over comes Evil it was for all time and space. Anything that existed .
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Post by lois on Jul 12, 2012 1:00:19 GMT -6
So it is true for these Aliens also.. Hans has made the statement many times.
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Post by sunbow on Jul 12, 2012 7:48:43 GMT -6
We must have been sending psychic beacons out to them in space... each of us a brilliant spotlight among a vast sea of dimly burning candles... Indeed. We always picture them in space looking down at us and reading data from satellites and other human forms of perception. The more logical thing would be that they simply watch the planet telepathically. Science has shown that ESP is not limited by distances in the 'on Earth' scale. It is very possible they are sitting meditating on their home world and all this emotional static started filling up the telepathic web. I do believe they are intervening, but trying to respect our very self destructive free will, and at the same time perceiving that many people have a good heart. I believe some sweet hearted people have the deepest emotional turmoil in this hard hearted society. The alien's visceral reaction might overwhelm their intention or mission's orientation, like a vet needing to stick their arm up an animal's b---. As far as being bombarded by a negative thought, the Greek Gnostic believed in Archon, some good and some evil spirits feeding off of emotions (precursors to the angel - demon theories). The Greeks believed that among the Archon some were predatory evil entities. The Tibet6ians also believe in predatory non-physical entities and work to protect themselves. There is probably much more to reality than we can grasp. In one remote viewing article I read, it stated step one was to differentiate your personal thoughts from other thoughts and vibrations entering your head.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 9:50:56 GMT -6
I still favor the idea that they are spacially closer to us than we're aware of and if they exist mere dimensions away..how we develop would be important to them. Why should it bother a race billions of light years away, what we do with ourselves. Yet a race just on the other side of a 'doorway' might be a closer target if we explode our planet. We're only aware of our version of physics, there may be factors beyond that. Now we have theoretical physicists..who tell us that because of these rules...the universe we know has to follow a certain order..the key there would be the universe we know. If they are closer to us in 'physical' space..it makes more sense telepathically. With all of the radiation, gasses and interference in space..I'm thinking that telepathic thought is likely to be pretty limited. It's fun to think about anyway
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Post by paulette on Jul 12, 2012 10:35:44 GMT -6
The optimistic spin. Which is useful rather than assuming that the aliens have arrived like War of The Worlds to annilate the population and plant this planet in their own foodstuffs crops. But I always thought that there would be some version of the Klingons - warrior bandits in space. And they may be prowling around looking at real estate because their planet is NOT in good shape. When one pondering the underlying mechanism of colonialism - arrive, take raw materials and slaves and decimate any population that fights back (and even those that don't) then one has the story that Laurence and Sitchin have re-constructed from the Sumerian bas-reliefs and cuniforms. We were genetically modified to work in the mines and be house maids or hand maidens or whatever. They engineered a flood that wiped out earlier experiments in that area. The few that survived (with one faction's help) told that story for hundreds and hundreds of years before a version ended up in the Old Testiment. We are their relations. If you think that makes it likely that they will invite us to the party - consider how the Southern slave owners treated their slaves (who were fully human although they didn't think so then). They engendered children - often claiming first right (Prima Nocta) of virgin girls coming into puberty. They sexed with any and all that took their fancy. The children often looked like slightly darker versions of their fathers. They put these children in the field to pick cotton all day in the broiling sun, beat them, chained them, sold them. Or they allowed them to play and be tutored with their legitimate white children (often begat on a first or second cousin because they weren't many white folks around in their class) and THEN when they got older (and perhaps could read and even realize who their Daddies were) put them in the field or sold them.
So that's us. No problem disregarding blood ties then. Still torturing and making war on women and children now. Africans are now killing each other - without much help except guns and money from the outside world which wants the diamonds, oil, etc.
I hope they (if they exist and if they come and announce themselves) treat us better than we treat each other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 14:32:01 GMT -6
might be more logical than figuring they're here to cure disease and give everyone a brand new robot body ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 15:41:43 GMT -6
might be more logical than figuring they're here to cure disease and give everyone a brand new robot body ;D I wanna be the world's first bionic Amazon... ;D ;D ;D Can I? Can I? huh huh huh can I?? ;D ;D ;D ;D Paulette- as far as the sex rights things goes, the English did the same thing to the Scotts. Remember the movie highlander? Those were MY ancestors... I don't understand why everyone is so focused on racial injustices. With certain people it's always about race. In India they don't do that. We should take a lesson from India. It doesn't matter what color you are in India my friend Srinivas told me. I think it's about time we get over the race thing and move on. This focus on race seems to be inhibiting progress more than moving it along and it enrages me that people actually believe that all evil in the world has been perpetrated by white people upon brown people because that is simply not true. White people have treated other white people like poop over the centuries too you know, and brown people have enslaved white people as well... the Egyptians enslaved the Jews... the Vikings enslaved the English... the Turks enslaved the Russians... Native Americans enslaved other Native Americans and Africans enslaved other Africans then sold them to the white slave traders to be shipped to the Americas. In Asia people are STILL selling their children into slavery because they don't want to watch them starve to death- young girls being sold as domestic servants (cooking cleaning etc.) and also for sexual purposes... Asians owned and beaten by OTHER Asians. There were also white slaves working in the fields in the American South. They were treated just as badly as those "of color". People are bad no matter what color they are. People treated me like poop when I was in school too and I'm white. Up until fairly recently the Irish and the Scottish were treated like poop by Americans. The American descendents of the English viewed the Irish and the Scotts as "Animals". They and their young children were forced to work alongside the slaves as sharecroppers and had little more than what the actual slaves had. My ancestors were among these sharecroppers. They worked themselves to death with almost nothing to show for it. The Irish were also forced to work in coal mines... AND their children because they were small enough to make it into tight spaces... and these children were white. Many of them died or were crippled for life because of this kind of work. And what about the Feudal System in Europe with the Serfs(who were essentially slaves themselves- they were owned by the wealthy)? White people abusing and beating other white people too... It's not all about race Paulette. I wish you would stop thinking of the world this way because every time you make a post about the cruelty of mankind it's always about race. Always. I mean I understand that that is the politically correct way to view the world- but it's not simply this "Black and White", (pun intended ). To only focus on racial inequality and to ignore the other inequalities of this world and its history is giving young people the wrong message. In America it is OK to trip a girl in the hallway because she is six inches taller than the other girls her age. In America it is OK to throw rocks at her on the playground. In America it is OK to not want to be her friend and to make her sit up alone at her kitchen table and cry because nobody wanted to come to her birthday party with a big cake and nobody around to eat it... But if that girl was black that would not have been allowed to happen. The only reason it DID happen to her is BECAUSE she was not a "brown person" because if she HAD been a "brown person" this would NOT have been tolerated by anyone. Because of people going around saying that everything evil in the world was done by white people- which makes young people think it's OK to hate white people... and many of them do. When a white person is abused by other white people everyone looks the other way. When a white person is abused by other brown people everyone looks the other way... But when a brown person is abused by white people everyone becomes immediately "outraged".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 16:19:01 GMT -6
We should be equally outraged at any injustice. India might not be 'racial' but their are entire family groups living in parking lots.. news.yahoo.com/working-poor-india-home-parking-lot-053801006.html The poverty level is extreme. No matter where on this planet you go...there will be something that stands out as an injustice. Either motivated by caste or money or race...there isn't a night that passes without my giving thanks for the roof over my family's collective heads..food enough to eat..health and well being. I've a feeling that if we can't find something to be grateful for..we're part of the problem
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Post by paulette on Jul 12, 2012 19:25:48 GMT -6
Race, caste, amount of money - you are right Lorelei - it isn't always about skin color. Power over however handed down or obtained. I just watched a documentary last night about some new Canadian Indo-Canadians. They had their daughter murdered (in India) because she fell in love with a man she met there on a visit, and returned after graduating from highschool to marry him. He was a rickshaw driver (poor, low caste). They moved to the Punjab, away from anyone who knew her or her family. They killed her anyway for "dishonoring them". He was beaten but survived. The case was ignored for 13 years in spite of a few people crusading for justice. It wasn't until it was set to air (July 2012) that the girl's uncle and mother were extradited back to India to stand trial. They are a very rich family.
The people of lower caste in India (including rickshaw drivers) are poorer and darker skinned that her family. Ask Srinivas if this is not true. The English did not think that the Irish were "white". Or Italians. But yes, they treated their poor people horribly - people who were long time England area inhabitants.
I guess my point is that we don't treat each other well. Why should sky travelers be inherently nicer?
PS. I was teased and tormented through my elementary school years. My nose bled and bled from repeated blows. My then girlfriend visited me 3 years ago and remembered standing over me in the playground with her fists cocked. By then I was down. I don't remember any teacher intervening. I was from Wisconsin and talked funny and I wasn't related to any of them (unlike my friend). So I know its not always about race - first hand. But I was picked on as an individual. After they decided that it was fun to harass me. (Now the same people send me chatting updates about Port A. on FB.) I asked one if he remembered what our "relationship" back then actually was. He said he thought that we had played together as kids and that I was cool in HS because I surfed. Thus history is rewritten...
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Post by skywalker on Jul 12, 2012 20:38:41 GMT -6
I think there is good and bad in all places and all races. Some people do treat other people like garbage...other people give their lives trying to help people they don't even know. I think there are more good people than bad otherwise slavery would still be going on in the US, the Nazis would be ruling the world and we all would have killed ourselves off decades ago. We have a tendency to see the bad more than the good because the bad stands out more so we think there is more of it. I see no reason why aliens (whether they be from outer space or another dimension) would be any different. Some may be trying to help us, some may think we are vermin that needs to be exterminated while others may not give a rat's rear end one way or another. Maybe we have interacted with both kinds but remember the bad experiences more because they stand out in our memories. The "good" aliens may visit us 9 times in a row and we may think we just had a bunch of really nice dreams but then the other kind shows up once and we have nightmares the rest of our lives. I personally think there is a little bit of everything going on, including the space travel and the other dimensions. Why limit it to just one or the other when it could just as easily be both? Heck, there might even be other possibilities we haven't even thought of yet. It's kind of interesting how so many of us who had really crappy, lonely childhoods end up here as friends sharing so many similar ideas and experiences. I guess we are not so alone after all. ~Hugs to everybody~ Lorelei, I'll help you eat that birthday cake.
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