Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 0:39:06 GMT -6
~hugzzzzzzz everyone~ Sorry, I think it's PMS time for me again... Ranting and raving as usual... what day is this? ~counts on fingers~ ARGH... Sky- it used to be chocolate but... it's a little green now... I hope you don't mind... ~huggggz sky~ Yea, Srini did mention about the caste system... he said things are improving in that area though... slowly but surely. Paulette- I know what you mean about the boy who thought you had played together with him... it's like they all remember me and they know my name and I have no idea who ANY of them are (psych blocks I guess) and they are shocked that I don't remember "playing" with them... same deal with me... it's like uhm... really? That was playing? Oh OK... sure... sorry I don't remember you... nice seeing you... later... ~huggggggz~ Humans tend to hate other humans who are not like them- or they also look down on others with disdain. The Romans used to look down on the people who are now known as "Germans" because they thought they were "Animals" just a couple thousand years ago... they weren't to dissimilar from Native Americans back then- running around half naked and hunting with spears and arrows and worshiping fire and what not... the Romans treated them like Animals and they believed that they were- simply because they were different... not as advanced. I worked in a restaurant as a prep cook a couple years ago with a man from Thailand. He told me one day when we were slicing onions (sniff sniff... gag... can't... see... sniff...) that he remembered the first time he saw a white person. I asked him how that went. He said it was on a crowded city street in Thailand, I forget the name of the city, and all of the kids were running away in fear because there were two white women with blonde hair and blue eyes and pale skin walking down the street... and he said he seriously thought they were "Demons" because of how different they looked! He said all the other kids were saying the same thing... Very interesting stuff. We fear or hate that which is unlike us... Still... I wouldn't want to sit down and have a cup of coffee with those skinny little gray monsters...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 6:59:06 GMT -6
I still think that "racial hate" is something that is taught. I think this because of the way I grew up, where I grew up, the age I am, and what I have observed for myself. I mostly agree with Lorelei's ranting and raving ( ) because that is the way it looks to me now. I also give her credit for her age and seeming to pay attention to what is going on in the world around her. ;D I can understand the example given about Thailand, and seeing 2 blond-haired, blue-eyed women walking down the street. I imagine some children running off scared, and then peeking around corners of the market carts to see what these "strange beings" do . That's where people get into problems. They either don't bother to watch what "strange beings" do, or the "beings" appear to actively be trying to hide what they are doing from us, and that automatically makes me suspicious .
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 7:10:03 GMT -6
. . . it stated step one was to differentiate your personal thoughts from other thoughts and vibrations entering your head. Not a bad idea, . It takes effort. I feel lucky that I have had a totally bizarre notion enter my head. My "clue" that NOT everything I am thinking is mine. I find myself going back to Greek history also. Though some of it may be largely misinterpreted, several people try to make an honest attempt to speak the truth. What we decide is really true, and what we can do with it, is up to each individual.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 7:13:37 GMT -6
I think there is good and bad in all places and all races. Some people do treat other people like garbage...other people give their lives trying to help people they don't even know. I think there are more good people than bad otherwise slavery would still be going on in the US, the Nazis would be ruling the world and we all would have killed ourselves off decades ago. We have a tendency to see the bad more than the good because the bad stands out more so we think there is more of it. I see no reason why aliens (whether they be from outer space or another dimension) would be any different. Some may be trying to help us, some may think we are vermin that needs to be exterminated while others may not give a rat's rear end one way or another. Maybe we have interacted with both kinds but remember the bad experiences more because they stand out in our memories. The "good" aliens may visit us 9 times in a row and we may think we just had a bunch of really nice dreams but then the other kind shows up once and we have nightmares the rest of our lives. I personally think there is a little bit of everything going on, including the space travel and the other dimensions. Why limit it to just one or the other when it could just as easily be both? Heck, there might even be other possibilities we haven't even thought of yet. It's kind of interesting how so many of us who had really crappy, lonely childhoods end up here as friends sharing so many similar ideas and experiences. I guess we are not so alone after all. ~Hugs to everybody~ (~hugs to everybody~) Great! ;D
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 9:58:37 GMT -6
You're right Sky..a bit of bad a bit of good in all. My mother was horribly raciest..and I detested that about her. Since she was everything I never wanted to be..that worked out very well We keep thinking that because people develop some kind of star travel..they'll also be mature morally. Well..that may not be the case. Reference back to the Klingons LOL. What we wrangle with morally may not be significant to them at all.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 21:53:20 GMT -6
Most of my family are racist democrats who live in the rural South... I met several dozen of them at a family reunion and they were all confused about who to vote for in the election... My dad will go out with me in public and if he sees a mixed-race couple he'll say really loud, "Look Lore! Look what she got! She went and got herself a Negro! I bet she's proud of herself!" I just roll my eyes and ignore him. He doesn't care if he embarrasses me or not... Speaking of mixed-race marriages... Betty And Barney Hill... the two first experiencers who ever went public with their story... i can imagine they suffered a lot of emotional trauma as well from friends and family because of their marriage... perhaps the ETs were also drawn to them because of this? Hmmmmmmm.........
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 23:29:08 GMT -6
Especially during their 'time'. It wasn't at all common and would have gotten them lynched in a few states I'm sure. I'll be willing to bet..that one of them was 'psychic'. I can't see race as being interesting to them for some reason I can't explain (look of consternation).
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 23:38:46 GMT -6
It's not the fact that they were interested in their races per say... but that they may have been attracted to their tumultuous emotions... that was what I was trying to convey... Uh oh. Washing machine is making weird clinking noises...
|
|
|
Post by paulette on Jul 14, 2012 0:03:51 GMT -6
Betty and Barney Hill were VERY COURAGEOUS to tell their story. You are right Jokelly - being married (and sleeping together) could have gotten them in serious trouble in their time. I always thought that that was an unspoken part of the strangeness of their relevations.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 15:24:50 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised if it worked in their favor actually. I know I'd be one to say..well look at these people with racial issues hanging over their heads..why would they invite more hassle. The answer is that no sane person would. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt just based on that. Add to that ..Betty was very determined and articulate and Barney was uncertain, full of disbelief and confused like many a man would be. The material was way over their heads for the day and age. My abduction was in the 60's too and information was sketchy at best..we had NO internet at our fingertips as we do now. I'd never heard of a UFO and I'm guessing it was a shock to the Hills too.
|
|
sunbow
Full Member
Seeing, Dreaming, and Loving...
Posts: 859
|
Post by sunbow on Jul 15, 2012 20:46:24 GMT -6
Betty and Barny Hill did not go public. They were being helped by several people for over five years when a reporter got the scoop. They went to court and tried to have the story not printed, but had no rights over the journalist. Like Travis Walton, they were thrown into the public eye.
I am seeing another trend!!!
I had immigrant grandparents who baby sat me so I did not have very good speech patterns (though my parents did). I was a 'brain' (nerd) at school and a social outcast. Emotionally I mostly shut down (took the Spock approach). In teen years I turned Hippie and was farther harassed.
Commonality: many of us here were picked on and had huge emotional output coupled with psychic abilities that projected them.
Additional wild ideas: If humanity is an experiment and the human form and some genes we inherited have potential for precognition and transcending time, then perhaps we have powers which have been hidden, but are vast beyond our reckoning. There is a theory that states that poltergeist activity is usually from a disturbed teenager rather than from a spirit. Perhaps any of us here would have had the possibility of breaking out of our conditioning and using a power which we are trained to not be aware of, which the hidden controllers of the experiment do not want the masses to know the possibility of.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 0:06:46 GMT -6
~hugz Sunbow~ Thanks for clarifying, I thought they DID want to go public...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 0:08:41 GMT -6
I just had a horrible thought...
What if "they" go after emotionally unstable children because they know that nobody will believe them or take them seriously because of their problems?
Exploiting children who are at a psychological disadvantage...
...that sounds like an evil scheme those skinny little grey buggers would be up to...
|
|
sunbow
Full Member
Seeing, Dreaming, and Loving...
Posts: 859
|
Post by sunbow on Jul 16, 2012 6:26:55 GMT -6
Lorelei, You are not the first with that set of thoughts. It has been theorized that they look for dysfunctional families to follow through generations, adding to the dysfunction, knowing that those families keep secrets. (I think Alien Love Bite' addresses this and somewhere in Karla Turner's dark works?)
That would not necessarily mean that their intent for humanity is evil. One theory is that they need us for breeding themselves, and that a third race designed them as such, so that they would be dependent upon us and act in there own self interest to preserve us.
I am not saying 'they' have our self interest at heart, jury does not have the facts yet. I am a proponent that there are many races involved with different agendas. Unless they are just on the other side of a dimensional veil or have been mining the moon for ages, they would have to have expended resources and person hours for all this activity, which tends to imply they want something: results of an experiment, our planet and its resources for themselves, or to see us evolve to a level to participate in galactic culture. Perhaps different factions want all of these.
|
|
|
Post by skywalker on Jul 16, 2012 10:11:27 GMT -6
They do seem to be putting a lot of effort into whatever it is they are doing so whatever it is must be important to them. Whether or not it is important to us is another question. It may be something beneficial to both of us but like sunbow said, that remains to be seen. Would we go through as much trouble as they are just to help another species? I doubt it so they must be using people for something or another.
|
|
|
Post by paulette on Jul 16, 2012 11:57:18 GMT -6
This thread has had some unexpected (for me) commonalities that Sunbow commented on as well as the rest of you. I'm going to recap: A lot of us were:
children who wandered around far from home (I'm thinking of another thread that mentioned this as well)
were lonely and often ostracized and/or bullied by school mates and neighboring kids and probably sent out waves of emotional pain frequently.
discovered we had various psychic abilities as we grew, but for the most part didn't understand this as children (or just accepted it without questioning)
Came from dysfunctional families - who weren't attending to our pain or even where we were. (Please, I'm not disrespecting any one's parent or parents. Many were doing the best they could, but were hampered by poverty, illness, having lots of children, single parenting...)
I'm going to add a few now:
learned to "forget" or dissociate memories early on. [I just was contacted on FB by someone I briefly dated when I was 14. Somehow we parked his Dad's car too close to a ship channel. A very big ship went by, the water sucked out and then returned in a rush - sinking the car! We were wet and late and he was absolutely freaked out about the car (which turned out to NOT be the worst part of the night). He wrote me that my father threatened him with a shotgun!!!!!! I told my husband this yesterday, and husband said, "Do you remember that?"
And I said, "No. Nothing after the water rising. Not walking home (miles) and definitely not confronting my father (who locked the doors) to get in." (there's just a hazy blank place and no feelings whatsoever.)
And my husband and I looked at each other. Then he said, "Did you ever see him again?" And I dimly remembered that they "let me say goodbye" as he joined the military almost immediately afterwards and left the area.]
The fact that I have done so much work trying to recover my memories (and often feeling bad because I was probably exaggerating them and couldn't tell if I was or not and then being told this story by a long-ago person who has no reason to exaggerate and only then remembering SOME of it - not the worst part....THAT IS what I mean by dissociating. We don't know what we are hiding from ourselves. We don't know what questions to ask. The idea of my father pulling a gun on a teenager who DID BRING his daughter home after an accident, is sobering. A shotgun no less. I guess I WASN'T exaggerating about how controlling dear old Dad was!
More - many of us have siblings, children and grandchildren who have had their own experiences with possible contact.
And lastly (and please add more). How intense the draw is to find people who will validate us - read our posts, tell us their own stories. A friend said to me last night, "Why do you spend as much time as you do on the computer?" (I had told her I type about 5 pages a day in various places). Because even after years of Mufon, and UFOmania I still come to this site and participate almost every day. It's important to me!!! And the rest of us as well I think.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 12:18:35 GMT -6
Commonality: many of us here were picked on and had huge emotional output coupled with psychic abilities that projected them. Additional wild ideas: If humanity is an experiment and the human form and some genes we inherited have potential for precognition and transcending time, then perhaps we have powers which have been hidden, but are vast beyond our reckoning. There is a theory that states that poltergeist activity is usually from a disturbed teenager rather than from a spirit. Perhaps any of us here would have had the possibility of breaking out of our conditioning and using a power which we are trained to not be aware of, which the hidden controllers of the experiment do not want the masses to know the possibility of. For the record, I was picked on (sometimes incessantly) by my brother and sister. I was the "outsider", the spare child, the baby. It was so relentless, and we were so "sheltered" (the trend to pick on me was carried over to cousins on my moms side of the family) that I personally vowed I would not "take it" from the public. Thus I became very aggressive. Actually, "passive/aggressive" in public . Add to the mix that I had something else bothering me every time I went to sleep (and other times, we can presume). My initial "moving things" came in whenever I had an outburst of anger. I can see how this would look like the poltergeist theory. And there may be some truth to the poltergeist theory, that disturbed people may attract a trickster type spirit, or an entertained alien. Whatever. But I think that what Sunbow is saying here, is because of that poltergeist theory, we are "trained" to fear this. I would go so far as to say that we are trained that if we can move things, we must have a "devil". We need to get past this. If my brain first "moved things" in an uncontrollable way, it was because I had no control. ;D
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 12:34:26 GMT -6
And lastly (and please add more). How intense the draw is to find people who will validate us - read our posts, tell us their own stories. A friend said to me last night, "Why do you spend as much time as you do on the computer?" (I had told her I type about 5 pages a day in various places). Because even after years of Mufon, and UFOmania I still come to this site and participate almost every day. It's important to me!!! And the rest of us as well I think. Someone on the muffin forum greatly derided the "need for validation". I couldn't believe it. Something SO basic to human needs; right up there with breathing. Validation, as a living, breathing human being is supposed to come in childhood. I firmly believe this. Some people may "need" more than others, or become "addicted" to a form of it (supposed adoration), and others may go the other extreme. To resent it . Add to the mix a subject like this, and what? Wouldn't it be ABNORMAL to not want validation?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 15:13:35 GMT -6
I agree with that JC.
That's why Alcoholics go to AA meetings... for emotional support.
|
|
|
Post by paulette on Jul 16, 2012 18:37:47 GMT -6
Validation is IMO particularily important if one's sanity is being questioned.
|
|
sunbow
Full Member
Seeing, Dreaming, and Loving...
Posts: 859
|
Post by sunbow on Jul 16, 2012 20:47:33 GMT -6
I agree with the above.
There were many people from school years who remember me, I don't know any of them. For me to know someone, I must really know them. There are people who remember people from all through their school years and meet up with them on facebook. I'll accept friends, but remember them from then, very few. Yeah, disassociate.
I have striven to remember fourth and fifth grade: I had to have been there, but it is a huge blank. I remember grades 1, 2, and 3, then I remember 6th grade. Can't even picture the teachers from 4 & 5. I guess I have huge gaps.
Sometimes my life seems like a strange cast of people have passed through it. Very strange. I know spirit plays a part in who we meet, but I have known some really strange people: I guess because I do not judge them like others do, I attract them.
Validation is good, but also the need to know what is really happening.
|
|