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Post by bogey on Dec 1, 2012 10:04:55 GMT -6
As I research into the alien abductions, I read about all kinds of people who claim they have been abducted. I do get skeptical at times, but I want to give these possible abductees the benefit that it really happened to them. I have taken the alien abduction quiz you see online and scored very high saying I had a good possibility that I was abducted. Do I really want to count on a quiz and say yes? So back to my main question; how do you really know if you’ve been abducted by aliens? I’m in my upper 40’s and considered in the aviation industry to be an expert. Over my life time, I’ve seen things that I cannot explain. Not by an airport or airbase, but by my house or when I went camping. Do I want to be an alien abductee? No. Am I an alien abductee? I don’t know. Do I want to know if I am an alien abductee? Yes. I like to know what has happen to me and I am sure many others are asking the same questions I am.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 10:40:01 GMT -6
Bogey..if you think you might have been...you probably have been. People don't seem to think in those terms unless they've gone through it. I was out riding with my best friend when i was 16 (over 40 years ago) I came away with some odd scars and 'burn marks' but I didn't remember a thing about 'aliens' until some 20 years later when (I'm guessing here) my brain figured it was ready to deal with it. Over all...I really don't give a rats touche..if someone believes me or not...I'm not here to convince anyone...instead I am here to be with others like myself who swap notes and try to build a data base of commonalities. What things do we have in common that attracted the attention..etc. There is something out there that goes bump in the night..that picks on kids and adults alike..that doesn't care if it causes fear or pain..just goes about the task at hand..sort of a lojack them..catch and release program on the alien highway. Without others in similar circumstances...I'd probably be a nut case with a tin hat parked on my noggin. Haven't skidded that far yet Welcome to the forum. I'm Jo.
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Post by bogey on Dec 1, 2012 11:19:10 GMT -6
Thanks Jo. Looking back at the events that I went though, I get a real eye opener. I still try to shake the idea that some alien is coming down to pick me up for a while. My ex-wife has reported many strange experiences to me related to UFO’s and aliens; I guess I got to sleep though many of them. She had enough and we went our separate ways. We are still good friends and she states that the UFO sightings and strange occurrences have stopped for her. Both of us had very sharp triangle objects in our nose and we always had bloody noses; the objects are gone now from both of us. There are a few stories that I’m not ready to talk about yet, they bring me nightmares. Someday, maybe soon, I’ll open up and talk about them. I look at my son and he complains of the “Tin Men” that comes in his room during the night. As a dad, this brings much concern. I guess what I am looking for is real proof that this is happening. Like you said, this is a good place to compare notes and not be judged as a nut. Thanks.
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Post by lois on Dec 1, 2012 11:27:41 GMT -6
Hi bogey welcome.. I also have been abducted and many times . But... Only once did I remember enough to know it really happened. Ufo.. green beam .. Missing almost four hours. Midnight to almost 4 am. You can read about it among my experiences on my thread.. You can research forever as we all know here but the answers to alien abduction or why they are here is only speculations.
There does not seem to be any true patterns.. from my experiences I'm only sure of two things . They are not from this planet.. And they can control your mind.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 1, 2012 11:32:45 GMT -6
It's difficult to know 100% for certain if a person has been abducted by aliens. There are a lot of things that can cause confusion. During the abductions memories get twisted around until they seem like dreams, dreams seem like memories, unusual events become usual and life can become a living nightmare. Many of the people here on the forum have spent years...even decades...trying to figure out what really happened to them. There are no easy answers. We keep finding similarities that lead us to believe that something similar happened to us and it was something extremely unusual. Many of the commonalities that we have are things that can not be explained by conventional science. That is why we open our minds to unconventional explanations like alien abduction. I think the thing that really leads me to think that I was abducted is that there are so many things that I have experienced that can not be explained by science. Things like the fact that my best friend and I both had the exact same experience at the same time which would rule out and type of psychological explanation. During the experience we were both paralyzed and picked up in the air by a beam of light which would seem to rule out any earthly technological explanation...unless our technology is way more advanced thyan we know it is. We both somehow suddenly developed weird psychic abilities immediately following the experience...which in itself is another unexplainable phenomenon. Alien abduction is the one explanation I can come up with that really explains everything that happened. I still can't say with 100% certainty that definitely is what happened but that is the explanation that I am leaning towards right now. I'm still searching for answers. I think we all are. Welcome to the forum bogey.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 11:57:07 GMT -6
Welcome bogey ;D.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 13:04:37 GMT -6
I've pretty much come to the conclusion that we are 'marked' or as I call it 'lo jacked' as children. I was 5 when I woke up with one in my room that stuffed something in my ear. Sucker never has stopped ringing. Then they follow up after puberty. But...there is a bit of a profile now that we have pieced together...a 'type' they seem to prefer. When you feel more like discussing..just whistle and you'll get more info than you can process ;D in one sitting. I will say this..that what helped me through the fear was building a ball of anger and that helped take away the mystery a bit. Set aside their 'alien-ness' and you just have creepy little cosmic gits that break all of our laws (kidnapping, holding a captive, medical procedures with out consent and about a hundred others). They have zero concern for our pain or fear..and humiliation. In our terms sort of terrorist thugs. There are those who want so badly to believe they are here to make nice-nice and be buddies..those aren't the ones I met but we all try to keep an open mind.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 14:45:09 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum Bogey. I have had lots of strange experiences but I only recall seeing aliens once- and it happened when I was 8 years old. I fell asleep on the couch in the living room with my parents while watching TV, then I woke up and opened my eyes and saw that my parents had gone to bed, the TV was off and there were gray aliens standing around in my living room... One of them turned around, got right up in my face and stared at me, then he touched my forehead and made my eyes close and I heard a voice in my head telling me, "Everything is going to be alright. You are going to go to sleep now and when you wake up this will all seem like a dream..." then I woke up in my bedroom having no memory of how I got there... Thank you for joining us. Maybe you can help us figure out this phenomenon with more information and ideas from your perspective...
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Post by bogey on Dec 1, 2012 16:42:46 GMT -6
Thank you all for the great replies. I am glad I'm not alone on this. Over all, I think I'm looking on how to tell my 14 year old son what is really going on. When he wakes up with a bloody nose and tells me the Tin Men were there again, what do I say? I've read that it's a blessing that we are chosen IF we are being taken, but as Jokelly said above, they are breaking all the laws and not her to play nice. It looks like everyone is willing to open up here and not worry about reticule. I may share my stories soon when I am ready. Thanks again.
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Post by paulette on Dec 1, 2012 18:01:14 GMT -6
Bogey - I was clear that something extremely weird happened to me and some friends in Texas when I was in my 20's. (I'm 64 now). But after I came here, a lot of seemingly unrelated stuff started to fit together. Like working on a jig saw puzzle. I had childhood memories - the earliest ones being before I was 4! I had 8 year old memories in which my father stopped me from sleep-walking outside to see my pony. I later read that people do not reenact dreams while sleepwalking, but rather things in their everyday life - like getting up and having a shower or driving to work at 2am. Or being back in Viet Nam. Not going to see a pony I never had in the middle of the night. I had never labeled this in my mind "possible alien encounter - foiled at least momentarily."
There are a lot of "takes" on the possibility of Visitors. One is that they are indifferent to us and do what they do, much like a scientist would manage a rat he was using in any experiment. No scratches behind the ears, no extra treats...
Another take is that even though they frighten us they did not come to frighten us but rather to possibly save us from ourselves. Therefore the fear they create is almost accidental. THEY are worried about our nuclear devices and often turn them off or disable them. They hope we don't destroy this beautiful planet.
Yet another take is that they are wise Star People who wish the best for us, perhaps interbreed with us, and take people to beautiful alien environments to "experience them." That maybe we will live intermingled at some point in time, and that the alien-human hybrids will facilitate this.
Lawrence Gardiner and Zacaria Sichin believed that the Sumerians were genetically engineered admixtures of the Visitors (The Annunuki) and hunter-gather proto-humans. The Vistors needed gold and radioactive minerals and didn't like working in the mines. So "we" were made to be obediant mining workers, and as consolation, ended up with architecture and agriculture and democratic government and silvermithiing and writing - in a remarkably short period of time. And their blood line continues to flow in the House of David and European royalty and here and there elsewhere..
Someone one who was a constant contributor here and field investigator (Steve) supposedly channeled info from one Han, an alien, who told him that there were many varieties of visitors, some kidnapped, some tried to keep them from it (ineffectually I might add) and after his contact of many months, Steve disappeared never to speak here again. Some of us (me) felt weird about his whole experience. But that's strictly IMO. I guess a book is in the works.
What I most value is little details in other people's story that line up with mine. Happens very week usually.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 19:29:53 GMT -6
Bogey..you tell your son the truth. That we don't understand the 'tin men' yet or their purpose BUT..they don't take hostages or kill. I'm sure that we will understand it one day. In the meantime..I'm so relieved to find ONE parent amongst hundreds to don't try to convince their child..it's a dream or their imagination. Good job there Bogey
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Post by skywalker on Dec 1, 2012 21:38:30 GMT -6
I still have the bloody noses too. Even after all these years. Lately they have been happening only when the moon is full although I have no idea what that has to do with anything. I still have nightmares too. We'll figure all of this stuff out sooner or later. It just takes time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 21:50:25 GMT -6
Hi Bogey, welcome ! Being skeptical to a point is a good thing. You're probably already aware that not every story that you read on the net is a real account for various reasons. I don't want to give you bad or wrong advice. I think you, your ex, and your child already know the answer. I wish I could tell you that it was just a medical thing like sleep paralysis or a bad dream/nightmare as many prematurely do in other locations around the net that do not understand one iota of this phenomena. What I can tell you is that the abduction phenomena is real and that we are being visited by at least one other type of entity . If I had not seen and experienced what I did one night about 13 years or so ago, I wouldn't be able to say this with affirmation. I'm in my mid 40's. I've studied Astronomy since childhood and have seen a few things myself that cannot be explained. One of them was while fishing with another witness during a meteor shower. It came out of space zigging and zagging at a velocity which I find impossible . Our reaction ? We got up and out of there quickly never to return to our favorite fishing hole. In time when you feel comfortable sharing I look forward to hearing about some of your experiences. Cliff
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 2:00:28 GMT -6
Bogey..you tell your son the truth. That we don't understand the 'tin men' yet or their purpose BUT..they don't take hostages or kill. I'm sure that we will understand it one day. In the meantime..I'm so relieved to find ONE parent amongst hundreds to don't try to convince their child..it's a dream or their imagination. Good job there Bogey That's what dad told me the next morning when I was 8 and told him about the skinny gray monsters in the living room... that it was a "bad dream" and to stop being upset and excited about it...
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Post by bogey on Dec 2, 2012 10:09:23 GMT -6
Thanks again for the great comments. It is nice to see everyone is very respectful here. I see that some of you would like to hear about my experiences. As said before, I'm not sure I'm ready. First thing is that I'm a pilot, aircraft maintenance tech and a teacher. I worry about my career if people find out who I am. I have spent my life in the military working on all kinds of aircraft. Now that I'm retired and away from the government, I may be able to open up a little(I can't talk about anything related to the military, sorry)The second thing I'm concerned about is bringing up all the bad memories. The support I'm seeing hear seems to be great. It would be interesting to see your comments on what I've seen. Thanks again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 10:32:41 GMT -6
I understand your hesitations and concerns Bogey...and none of us can make decisions for you. There does come a point where it's like a good breath of air..to know you aren't alone in what you feel and in what you've seen. If we can help..we're here and it might add to the growing list of things we are finding we have in common and that these abductions are not random.
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Post by auntym on Dec 2, 2012 12:11:41 GMT -6
WELCOME BOGEY... can't wait to hear your stories...
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Post by plutronus on Dec 2, 2012 21:41:26 GMT -6
Hi Bogey & Welcome,
The realization that Earth may not be the only populated planet in the universe, transition, to the realization that Humans are being processed (via so-called "abduction") in a such manner as to suggest that we are an unawares 'backwards' species can be a difficult one, if not out-right shocking. There are so many paradigm shifts in thinking required to fully grasp the realization, that one finds themselves in a quagmire of chaotic questions that are both thorny, nebulous, and often, unanswerable; using simply orthodox Human thinking and knowledge-state. To come to this realization it seems one must be kicked-through-a-knot-hole, else, the awareness is just too extreme to be believable. And then sprinkle in the me-toos who have little or no knowledge of the subject but who are hungry for attention and then there are the bull-sh.it-artist babblers who just enjoy yanking-folks-chains (replete with many video CGI hucksters churning out copious piles of crap), and the bad book authors looking to make a buck, the whole of it can be quite difficult to swallow. And then, for a soft creamy, and inconspicuous topping, there is an active, while hard to believe, covert, dis-information activity which is very effective in keeping everyone who is interested, or could be interested, as well as those who know (such as myself and many folks here in this special forum), that ET are actively interacting with Humans for some hidden agenda. The dis-information campaign is well organized, planned, and executed, to confuse any and all about what's really happening.
I've experienced multiple alien contact, as well as having been 'abducted'.
In the movie, the 'Matrix', Morpheus said, "Welcome, to the real reality."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 17:54:07 GMT -6
You know Plutronus..I think that is the worst. We've always assumed we're so darned smart..that we would be considered equals by some spacial 'federation'. To discover we may be no better than clever monkeys to universal others, is a punch below the belt. Personally I think there is purpose behind what types they select..and that we are a cut above the normal clever monkey..but it's still a bit of a system shock and that's aside from the poking..prodding..and fluid letting bit
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Post by plutronus on Dec 4, 2012 4:13:56 GMT -6
You know Plutronus..I think that is the worst. We've always assumed we're so darned smart..that we would be considered equals by some spacial 'federation'. To discover we may be no better than clever monkeys to universal others, is a punch below the belt. Personally I think there is purpose behind what types they select..and that we are a cut above the normal clever monkey..but it's still a bit of a system shock and that's aside from the poking..prodding..and fluid letting bit Hi JoKelly,
There's a lot of abduction information which is not commonly available that makes the rounds in the Near-Earth-ET-Studies psychology community...its an eye opener.
>..aside from the poking..prodding..and fluid letting bit..
Yep, and those who remember, are those that are returned. Apparently, there are bunches that aren't. And then there are the HumoMutes that are found occasionally after their disappearance. Not much is heard about those, as they are deemed homicides by the police agencies. NIDS hired ex-police officers as 'UFO-investigators' to gain access to the national police database to acquire a metric on the size of the problem.
Yep.
Its only been recently that I don't find blood on my pillows from my ears and nose. I've been working on a Hebrew Mantra which seems to 'close-the-dimensional-door' through which they abduct folks. This seems to be the standard modus operandi after the first few physical abductions. My guess is that they physically abduct us to insert implants which enable some sort of subsequent psionic abduction capability? They don't have to position a disc over our houses to physically take us, but rather, they can remotely, 'dial-in' our psychic field 'address' and zip the goods up directly, sans the nefesh. In any case, the mantra seems to be working, and heck, I no longer need to wear the charcoal anti-static bags or tin-foil hats.
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Post by paulette on Dec 5, 2012 13:32:36 GMT -6
Were you really wearing tin-foil hats Plutronis....I mean...none of the above is anything other than your own truth? Wow. I didn't think I "knew" anyone who did that.
I do believe what you said here:
"My guess is that they physically abduct us to insert implants which enable some sort of subsequent psionic abduction capability? They don't have to position a disc over our houses to physically take us, but rather, they can remotely, 'dial-in' our psychic field 'address' and zip the goods up directly."
I kinda think that anyone capable of getting here and kidnapping under the radar and implanting (things most medical tests don't seem to find) and uploading the data - would be stopped by a Hebrew mantra. But I do hold the skeptic position much of the time...
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Post by bogey on Dec 5, 2012 20:38:10 GMT -6
Thank you for the great welcomes. You all have some very interesting things to say. Years ago, something happened to me during the night. After that, I figured there is no way to fight them. I'm starting to realize, just go with the flow. I still worry about my son. Yes I'm very hesitant on what I say. I may over come that soon.
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Post by sunbow on Dec 5, 2012 21:10:41 GMT -6
Hi bogey. I'm another one here who is certain (IMO) that Extraterrestrials are here with an active project. I've had many experiences and found commonalities amongst this group. There are threads discussing the tendency for 'the Watchers' to follow blood lines. There is evidence that in some cases our parents or grandparents were involved. Many abductees feel deeply that now their children are involved. Then looking in the Bible, the Hindu, and the Sumerian scriptures (for starters), we can see hints that 'the Watchers' were working with humanity at those times. Based on their time and energy expenditure, I believe they have an agenda, but also that now they are concerned with the potential we have to make ourselves go extinct, and thus have stepped up the program. I don't believe the dark dark side theories, they have been here for to long. IMO: HomoMutes are human activity: organs sell for big dollars and drug cartel leaders need a regular supply, not to mention other immoral rich folks. Great cover story, but based on the abilities we have witnessed in their craft, they could drop any body in the ocean or in space in seconds, never to be found. I think this is part of the disinformation system at work, promoting fear. I saw a cattle mute, it scared me big-time; however, humans also butcher and eat cows. I assume they do a lot of processing, but that it provided the raw materials. Humans have been 'offering up' cattle to the 'gods' for ages. I believe the fear is our own. Individually, they do their job. I believe they care about us, but when we are in a terrified state, they have to handle us like the uncivilized wild animals that we are. I also believe, as Whitley Streiber's last book describes, that by stressing us, they are quickening our evolution. Since evolution is in response to stimuli, they are making us wake up. There are a number of threads about us being enhanced in some paranormal way, or that some of our latent abilities are teased out of us, or even that we were selected for these potentials. They are telepathic and science has indicated that humans have a minor, but statistically verifiable, telepathic ability. If they had ill intent, why would they be stimulating our growth for ages? Even when they show their ships, they seem to do it intentionally, teasing us forward, almost saying, if we can conquer gravity, so can you. We all have opinions. The more we share, the more likely we are to understand parts of this puzzle. I agree, tell your son the truth: "We don't know what it is really about, but we are not alone in these experiences." I find comfort in these people here. Welcome aboard
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Post by CitizenK on Dec 5, 2012 23:12:31 GMT -6
I don't know if there is just one straight shot way to "know" if you were abducted or not. However, if you still have doubts about whether or not aliens come here, probe us, inter mingle, assist us in pro creating or whatever else I suggest you look into some pretty convincing and compelling evidence in my book , from Linda Molten Howle. She has been briefed by military personal, after investigating cattle mutilations seriously, that there is and always has been an alien presence here on Earth. As a matter of a fact she goes as far as saying that she read a document they allowed her to see that stated that "they" (the aliens) have been here since the dinosaurs, they created homosapiens from their own dna and that of a primate that was already present here , and that the questions of how humans came to be on this planet and/or why aliens visit are now explained. Case closed. So if you need evidence they are here, that is a good starting point. If you need confirmation that others have been taken, then you are in a good place! We have all had experiences. Some similar others unique, and we don't all agree on their intentions, but the constant is that we all believe we've had the most extraordinary of experiences anyone could ever imagine....alien abduction. We not only believe what we say about our own experiences, we don't judge others for their take on theirs. Welcome to the forum. Hope you find some answers. Peace, K
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Post by CitizenK on Dec 5, 2012 23:17:59 GMT -6
One more thing, as a parent myself I understand your concerns for what may or may not be happening to your son. There does seem to be a tendency to follow blood lines so the possibility he is being taken is definitely there. That said, I would recommend being honest with him. You don't have to have all the answers figured out to begin the conversation. I have 5 kids, and have being trying to figure this all out for over 20 yrs now and still don't have all the pieces. But, my kids being in the conversation at a young age are adapting much better than I did as a child and have well rounded lives . They are not afraid anymore and they trust that they really can come to me with anything because we have this sort of dialogue. So be forthcoming with him, and see where it leads you. Who knows, might prove to be therapeutic for the both of you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 1:51:05 GMT -6
Thank you for the great welcomes. You all have some very interesting things to say. Years ago, something happened to me during the night. After that, I figured there is no way to fight them. I'm starting to realize, just go with the flow. I still worry about my son. Yes I'm very hesitant on what I say. I may over come that soon. I know those of you who know me were expecting this sooner- but here it is... ~hugz bogey~ ;D (I hug people a lot- it's my job here hehehehe...)
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Post by paulette on Dec 6, 2012 9:04:52 GMT -6
I told my kids about my missing time in Texas when they were in upper grade school - probably on one of the many trips we made to the West Coast to boogle board and surf. My son had his own experience, but solved it but forgetting it almost immediately. My daughter had a few weird synchronous dreams with me that suggested visitation. She painted day-go aliens on the walls of her room! She was both frightened and excited about the prospect. Then she disappeared into the whirl of teenhood.
I was very surprised that on her last visit home (lives in another Provence) that she asked me to tell the story again for two of her female friends. Obviously she had told them and they were curious. I don't think its hurt her to have a Mom with a story like this. I did mention in the last telling to her, that I thought that maybe that wasn't the first time I had had contact. So she knows and can do what she will with the information.
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Post by bogey on Dec 8, 2012 17:51:42 GMT -6
My son and I had a good talk. He feels like some of you here that they don't really want to hurt us. I see that he really wants to prepare for a major disaster of some sort. It's not Dec 21, 2012, it's something else; he's not sure what. He thinks the aliens are here to help. By reading what some of you have said, you may agree with that. He may be in tuned more than I am. Thanks for the hugz Lorelei.
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Post by sunbow on Dec 8, 2012 20:38:33 GMT -6
My wife and I were just talking at dinner how we feel something major is soon to happen. I think preparation needs to be within ourselves. Not bad to have extra food and water for weathering short term events, basic disaster preparedness, but this goes beyond any of that. All I think we can do is be ready within ourselves and fluid enough as the changes come to ride them.
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Post by randy on Dec 9, 2012 1:13:34 GMT -6
I know greys are real because I have fought with them physically at times and when you are slugging someone and they are clawing you you get the idea they are real i have gotten to know some greys by personnality if not by socializing. At least I can recognize them from before. i have touched a UFO and inspected it to my hearts content on the out side. When I did I felt I was touching the stars literally my family was selected to live in a housing project built by the gov as a test lab for the greys. We were set up and betrayed by our own govt. Still over all on this side of things it was a unique experience. In some things the greys were incredibly dumb., Those who experience contact with the greys will avoid the later panic when they pop up into the sun light and say "got you" Public contact will be a dangerous time and society could collapse in shock
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