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Post by auntym on Dec 16, 2012 12:13:40 GMT -6
I don't have a picture of you... Do I? No you don't...i was referring to the imaginary picture you took of me with your imaginary pen...LOL fellow posters... when i said, in my last post, that there were 'disinformation agents' on this forum ... i wasn't pointing a finger... i believe there are disinformation agents on ALL the forums & that includes ours... just like there are government agents on ALL the forums...i believe they are one in the same... of course i have no proof of this...it just makes sense to me... in reality, i really don't care they are on here... just so they don't cause any trouble
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 13:46:14 GMT -6
Ha...the first thing agents do is point fingers at everyone else claiming them to be agents..we have the right of it..can't fool us..we believe in UFO's Actually...I am sure agents have been here..probably had some fun with the posts too. I have several as pen pals.. ;D
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Post by auntym on Dec 16, 2012 14:09:39 GMT -6
Ha...the first thing agents do is point fingers at everyone else claiming them to be agents..we have the right of it..can't fool us..we believe in UFO's Actually...I am sure agents have been here..probably had some fun with the posts too. I have several as pen pals.. ;D Hmmmm...rubbing my chin...verrrrrry interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 21:48:58 GMT -6
I don't have a picture of you... Do I? No you don't...i was referring to the imaginary picture you took of me with your imaginary pen...LOL Ohhhhhh I see. No the pen was actually the memory flashy-thing from the movie MIB... ;D hehehehehe! fellow posters... when i said, in my last post, that there were 'disinformation agents' on this forum ... i wasn't pointing a finger... i believe there are disinformation agents on ALL the forums & that includes ours... just like there are government agents on ALL the forums...i believe they are one in the same... of course i have no proof of this...it just makes sense to me... in reality, i really don't care they are on here... just so they don't cause any trouble It's alll good sweetie!
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Post by skywalker on Dec 16, 2012 22:52:57 GMT -6
Hmmm...stroking my chin..you the disinformation agent Sky??? Seem a bit dodgey to me. Speaking of amazing stuff have you seen the new stealth stuff? Not quite Romulun cloaking but close enough. Ok...I admit it. I am the disinformation agent. That's the whole reason I started this forum...so I could spread disinfo. All those rabid frothing at the mouth anti-government rants that I throw are just an act. C'mon...do you honestly believe anybody could really hate the government that much? And while I'm making confessions I may as well admit that it really was me on that grassy knoll in Dallas. Of course some people may be wondering how I managed to shoot JFK when I wasn't even born then but I am very clever. I'm the one causing all of that global warming too. I sneaked in and turned the thermostat up when nobody was looking. Nobody will ever figure out that it was me that did it. ;D Unless they read my confession here and come after me with pitch forks and duct tape and try to arrest me and lock me in the slammer and throw away the key. Hmm...on second thought...maybe I'm just a good ol' boy from Texas who would never try to fool anybody. I don't even know how to spell disinfermashun. I'm shutting up now.
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Post by CitizenK on Dec 16, 2012 23:19:57 GMT -6
The memory metal is a good and obvious "clue" in the idea that the gov't knew/knows about visitations....hmmm come to think of it, maybe that's how we got memory foam too! (I love that stuff!!!) As for agents here or there...absolutely they are everywhere! Couldn't agree more. Would even go as far as pointing fingers if I weren't so polite and soft spoken but it wouldn't do any good to do so because they aren't just gonna own up to it from being singled out, now are they? I sure wouldn't! As for getting back to the original question at hand though...scares, implants, any of the forms of "proof" that may be out there aside, I think the answer is quite simple really. You look within. You "feel it" if you've been taken. It isn't just a feeling of worry or paranoia it's so much more, it's this sick in your gut way down in the pit of your stomach feeling that either draws you to this arena of information or strongly steers you as far away from it as you can get. It's this "sense" that tells you for certain if you've been taken,visited, whatever you wanna label it. Bottom line the label "within" is fear. Even if you think on the surface that they are here for the good of humans or not to harm us...the feeling is fear. We all have it, if we've been taken. We might think we wanna go again (and perhaps we really do want to go) provided we can remember it long enough to ask questions and get answers for ourselves and to pass on to others. But until it IS you who can have that opportunity, the way to "know" if you've been taken is to rank your fear monitor. I have come to except what I have experienced, and I would like the chance to go visit with full comprehension and total recall....but at night, lying in bed dozing off and I get that tingling sensation, or see a light, or hear a whooping sound....FEAR goes through me 1st! Every time, no matter how big I tell myself I am , no matter how old I get, the underlying 1st response emotion that tells me this sh*t is real, is that gauge, that 1st knee jerk response of fear. Why fear? Good question. I can't answer that one in totality. I can only say that even though I am aware and except what I have gone through, have grown and learned we have defenses we do not honor and use daily that will protect you from evil, and deem my experiences to be positive necessary set of events called learning tools, I am still that scared little girl on the inside. And THAT is my answer for "how do you know". Not from an online quiz, not from a psychologist telling you so, or any other method.... you look within. All of the answers we seek are there and are truthful when you are ready to learn and receive them. Look within. Peace, CK
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 23:38:19 GMT -6
Fear is a pretty normal reaction CK..I'm all to familiar with it too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 0:08:04 GMT -6
@ Sky: I gots the duct tape! ;D
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Post by lois on Dec 17, 2012 0:37:50 GMT -6
Well if there is someone like that here we should try and find him.. ;D What does disinformation sound like when you hear it? ;D I can think of a couple people, but I'm keeping my mouth shut..
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Post by randy on Dec 17, 2012 0:57:09 GMT -6
I can recall one disinformation person on the Old Mufon forum. Disinformation takes manyf forms including never acknowledging the obvious. Dithering and stalling on things are a form of disinformation. One well known UFO researcher to me is a govt agent who comes up with the god awful flights of fancy at times. I try to keep an open mind about other peoples experiences but I believe what I experienced and in the simple explination for things
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 2:28:33 GMT -6
Disinformation..can be encouraging wild, un-validated stories, spreading hoaxes and rumors like the alien autopsy movie..and it's usually designed to make those who are interested in UFOs seem foolish and igannant for belief in things usually proved to be hoaxes. And they are usually behind the hoaxes. It's usually never about running down accounts (especially eye witness accounts) but most always it's about making others look foolish because that is where the most damage is done. Who is ever going to take this seriously if we look nuts? Disinformation people would be the ones who started the Dulce rumors..or created the alien autopsy video or other hoax videos...then they get on line and encourage people to view it and believe it, while at the same time pointing out to others how stupid people are for believing that stuff. They aren't debunkers..they're usually the opposite and they're a lot more harmful to us than debunkers and skeptics. Skeptics are actually handy to have..in my opinion..because they make us look for serious answers.
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Post by bogey on Dec 17, 2012 15:29:19 GMT -6
I wish I could get some of that memory metal for my back. I got stuck with titanium in my back when n I had back surgery. No flexibility with titanium. Never break you back; it hurts. Oh, the movie the 4th kind, scares the hell out of me. I do think many of the UFO shows and what is put on You Tube is for disinformation. Most of the stuff don't even look real. We are all looking for the right answers, it's hard to say where to look.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 17, 2012 18:13:18 GMT -6
You got half of the memory metal right there. It's a mixture of titanium and nickel.
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Post by randy on Dec 19, 2012 1:07:58 GMT -6
Back in high school when the kid down the street from me killed himself over begin taken by aliens, it was talked about in school and I found myself saying he really had to be crazy to say that. At the time I said it I was surprized by what I said. I didnt know why I said that I was given out dis information by saying he was crazy. To me I had to have been told to do that by the greys to cover up the crisis. Perhaps others are equaly doing things with out knowing why they are doing them at the direction IT IS A COMplex game we play to learn the truth
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Post by bogey on Dec 19, 2012 5:23:05 GMT -6
Randy, that is too bad about that kid taking his life over this subject. I told my son what I believe is going on with us. He knows something very strange is happening to us that we can't explain. He tries to deny it all the time. At first, he thought I was crazy, but he knows I get checked out by doctors to fly an airplane and he knows they say I'm in my right mind to do so; so he knows I'm not nuts. When my son goes flying with me, he watches me pick out an aircraft that is flying a few miles away and I can identify it. He knows I'm a good observer and understand what I see. He trust my when I tell him what may be going on. My son is like me. I think we try to dis-inform ourselves to keep our mind set straight. Randy is right, we say it's not real so we don't go crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 10:27:01 GMT -6
I'm kind of the opposite..I have to be able to face things..to get past them. Otherwise I have this shadow dogging me and that I can't handle. This is the only place I discuss it because most here have had some kind of run in with the 'unusual' or supernatural. I'm the same way if I think someone is upset with me..I call or confront to see what i can do about it rather than let it stew in my brain until I blow it out of proportion. I don't feel like I have to inform the rest of the world about abductions or try to convince anyone...it may never be a path they need to walk..and if that is the case, I'd say they're blessed in what they don't know
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Post by CitizenK on Dec 19, 2012 13:28:22 GMT -6
Same here Jo, always need to face things head on ... but some well probably most people (at least that I know) find it easier to deny it and push it aside as much as possible. My whole family is like that, any "upsetting" issues are just buried in their subconscious somewhere. I can't say I blame anyone for being that way, it does allow you to manage easier and not "go crazy" lol , guess I'm just nu'glutten for punishment It's a real shame though that young people even in this day and age don't have the needed support from adults. Good thing for our kids we understand better what's going on and can support them...guess there are some blessings in disguise here to "us" being involved in all of this after all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 17:11:13 GMT -6
I didn't mean it to sound astringent..if it did. I'm just designed the way I am by an abusive father..facing things meant..getting it over with..past. If denying something gives someone space for a time, I sure see no harm in that.
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Post by CitizenK on Dec 19, 2012 22:08:49 GMT -6
Nope no astringent residue here... I thought you said it just fine Jo no worries.
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Post by randy on Dec 20, 2012 0:52:10 GMT -6
As akid I just adjusted to the fact that in one direction was an Air Force base and in the other an alien star base. didnt everyone live that way? That was normal and I was adjusted to it. At one time I went there several times on my own just to see more of what was there. it was a real live star wars movie for me. Other than the blood, pain and terror it was also interesting.
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Post by CitizenK on Dec 20, 2012 19:12:21 GMT -6
I can relate to that Randy, it seems that no matter "what" I go through I still am inquisitive enough to poke and prod around for answers...I guess I just want to understand how things work, or why they happen a certain way...
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Post by sunbow on Dec 21, 2012 20:36:53 GMT -6
CK, I think you said it right about the fear. Post Abduction Stress Disorder is very real. Many years later we are fine and think we would do anything to get some answers, then a weird noise wakes us up at night, and blam: pure terror at the primal level. It is such a twisted feeling, because my mind states, I want to know at any cost, but my body does not.
It makes me wonder what this 'primal fear' is about. I survived, obviously. I can't remember many details, but I have images in my head of some things. Perhaps there is a part that I don't remember that is at the heart of that fear. Perhaps there was a childhood event at the root of it. It seems more than having 'someone' else take total control of one's person. Perhaps they inserted some kind of a gene or meme that makes us react this way. Perhaps it is built in as a mammal where a being way above us in power triggers the autonomous nervous system to flash predator and death (even though I think those are false perceptions).
The fear has no mental anything associated with it: it is at an instinctual level. I want to get past it.
They know we are hard wired with this terror. When they deal with us, we can be savage animals in survival mode. Perhaps they are trying to end our survival mode programming by triggering it. Yet I remember a moment when I was very curious; yet they continued to control me for their agenda, to process me according to their procedures.
The big question for me is what is the agenda and what is its implication for humanity?
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Post by skywalker on Dec 21, 2012 21:09:31 GMT -6
I know what you mean, dude. I've felt it too. Every time I have a nightmare at night...or when I'm out looking for UFOs and one actually shows up. It kinda scares the bejeepers out of me. I still keep going out night after night because my curiosity is stronger than my fear. I want to know what is going on...even if it gives me a feaking heart attack or something.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2012 23:12:57 GMT -6
I understand that all too well too. Fear..but a need to KNOW. To to guess or to fantasize but to KNOW because we were some part of something. I still cringe every time I hear someone wanting to be abducted so they can ask the questions (we evidently didn't ask). Well..when the mind doesn't want to deal with something..head on..it leaks things out one way or another..through dreams or visions or compulsions. I may be afraid to see it all...but I still want to know..to understand because I was used for something...we all were and it's not fair..that it's not likely we'll find answers in some earthly data base like Mulder did...sometimes..it's just not fair at all
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 2:05:44 GMT -6
I know what you mean, dude. I've felt it too. Every time I have a nightmare at night...or when I'm out looking for UFOs and one actually shows up. It kinda scares the bejeepers out of me. I still keep going out night after night because my curiosity is stronger than my fear. I want to know what is going on...even if it gives me a feaking heart attack or something. Man... if I were to wake up and see grays standing around in front of me again I think I WOULD have a freaking heart attack and die right on the spot... not again... nope...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 4:02:22 GMT -6
How do you really know if you’ve been abducted ?When you wake up and you cant move and you open your eyes and see a grey with a big head and huge eyes kneeling in front of you and 2 others are walking to the next room and one of them reaches toward you with a long arm and long fingers and causes a terrible pain inside your head while it's telling you telepahically it needs some information and pulls out your life's memories and then they carry your highly tranced ex in so you can see her and then they knock you back out and you struggle to come to for the next 45 minutes trying to scream,,,,, chances are you've been abducted. Cliff
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 11:50:36 GMT -6
Nods..that about sums up the fear. And some say I over react ...shaking my head.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 11:56:17 GMT -6
Yep. Well said Cliff.
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Post by randy on Dec 24, 2012 0:55:10 GMT -6
I am trying to arrange a deal with the greys. Come in the day as equals and we will talk. Come at night like a thief and I will treat you like a thief and blow you away on sight. Years ago I know the greys were around when I came back down from the north slope of Alaska where I had worked on the pipeline for a few years year round. I dont recall them but nieghbors told me about seeing low flying UFOs and "Tank trucks" in the trees during the day time. Being old pioneer folk they could not accept a UFO in the trees so they called it a tank truck. What happened during these visits I have no clue.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 9:34:03 GMT -6
I think I recall you (Randy) telling about an event around your home where you had your gun out, and scared somethingoff? I wouldn't mind you telling that again. It wasn't an automatic weapon you had. The point was, you were ready and willing to confront some trespassers. We can talk and feel the fear involved here, but I know that part of Cliff's story is he was still ready and willing to defend his family. He (and us) have that right. Abduction is NOT "would you like to take a ride in our space ship?" I don't care if "they" try to phrase it that way. "They" have your senses all numbed, but in the back of your mind you are saying "huh? What spaceship?"
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