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Post by daymoon on Sept 15, 2013 10:40:25 GMT -6
Over the years I have done quite a bit of research into people who don't believe they are fully human. ie: soul is something non human such as alien or vampire or whatever. I would really like to hear other peoples ideas and such on the theory that the soul is not always human and is actually an energy body that can be of different origins. Ive written a book on it called the non humans guide to living with humans. I don't want the research and information to end there though. I want to hear what other people think of the theory and if possible experiences pertaining to being not human yet looking like one. If you want a copy of the book or more information on the theory let me know. Its on amazon and I am willing to give a free copy of it if needed. This book is not about profit but about helping people who need it and the purpose of making information available. Anyways, all thoughts on the DNA of the energy body welcome Thanks Ann Holt
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 11:24:44 GMT -6
Welcome daymoon . Wow. Where were you years ago? I definitely went through a period of time where I thought it was very important that "I try to act like a human". Conversationally, this period of time happened most likely after an "alien visit", though at this age (13 or so) I knew almost nothing about "alien abduction". However, at the time I did write a poem about being a "changeling" , and recall feeling like one. Teen angst? A weird experience through puberty? Your book sounds interesting. Thank You.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 13:33:05 GMT -6
The thought of being a "changeling" is something that I too have felt when I was growing up. I didn't know what the concept was until later on and when I did discover it, I felt like it resonated with me. I'm sure that it's this way with most, if not all the people who post on this forum: when I feel "homesick", I walk outside at night and look up at the sky. I feel an area within my chest open up and well - I feel much better, although the homesickness remains. Just recently, I had a visit from my ex fiancé and she felt that there was a possibility that my "soul" isn't human.
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Post by daymoon on Sept 16, 2013 3:25:52 GMT -6
Where was I "years ago"?? LOL I am 41. I've been researching this stuff for a bit over 20 years now. I can't say as I have met any changelings, but I have worked with vampires, angelics, werewolves, witches, reptilians, grays, and even a couple of palladians and daemons. And that's not even the whole list. I feel the worst though for werewolves and angelics. Werewolves go a little crazy because they are stuck here. On this plane they do not shift to be able to run and hunt like they would normally. It's like being an animal in a cage for them. Angels are usually always confused about what they are supposed to be doing here and suffer from a lot of depression and emotional upheavals. So far the ones I have met are borderline bipolar just for the simple fact that human emotions are really strong and they aren't used to feeling them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 5:37:55 GMT -6
I wouldn't say that I'm a changeling, but for some reason it resonates with me. If the old stories and accounts mean anything, they describe them as, "Thin and restless, ugly and malformed, physically weak but voraciously hungry, mewling and never satisfied". My mother on the other hand said that I was "the best baby" because I was very quiet and slept a lot, but had quite an appetite. There are many stories across the cultures about children who were switched out, usually in the first week after being born. I can't remember where I had read this but in one particular culture, the mothers of the new born children had to be with their child for the entire first week, not letting them out of their sight for one moment. It was in fear that the moment they did, the "fairies" would do the switcheroo. But in some cases, they didn't switch the child out:
"An aged nurse who had fallen fast asleep as she sat by the fire, was holding on her knees a newly-born babe. The mother, who lay in bed gazing dreamily, was astonished to see three strange little women enter the dwelling. They approached the unconscious child, and she who seemed to be their leader was on the point of lifting it off the nurse's lap when the third exclaimed: "Oh let us leave this one with her as we have already taken so many!" "So be it," replied the senior of the party..." -The Fairy Faith
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Post by bewildered on Sept 16, 2013 9:31:19 GMT -6
What does it mean to be human? Is it a matter of DNA, or is it defined by something else instead?
If you stop to think about it, the only substantive link we can grasp at is DNA, and yet we know that we are much, much more than billions of coded binary pairs. People are "human" because they have been taught that they are...they think that they are...therefore, they are. Humanity is a psychosocially transmitted identity. A child neglected by alcoholic parents sought shelter with the dogs in the family backyard. At the age of 3, she found herself huddling for warmth and protection with the dogs. The dogs not only cared for her, but they essentially reared her. When authorities finally intervened, they found a human girl who behaved just like the dogs she knew as her family. The girl's name is Oxana Malaya.
Oxana is one of a small group of "feral" children known worldwide. What do they represent? To me, they are a reality check that illuminates what it means to be "human." Humanity is an identity imprinted upon us from an early age, a choice we decide to embrace and reaffirm. It is *not* an organic or default condition of our existence. Speech might be an instinctive impulse - as well as an upright posture - but the riches of the mind are a different matter.
Our brains are a quantum portal device, an organic and portable probability engine that represents a clue into who and what we really are.
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Post by paulette on Sept 16, 2013 11:36:43 GMT -6
Fascinating thread. I never felt that I "fit" in my family and always sorta believed in fairies (and dreamed about them) as a child. They were not little mosquitoe sized beings like Tinker Bell (the fairies I was exposed to in books and media). They were people, albeit smaller and paler than I was. They slipped in and out of my life at various times.
I have a friend who is more adamant about this - she is SURE that she was dropped off here and often doesn't know what to do with the part of her that she hides from others (through hard experience).
My daughter announced to me that she "came from the moon" and "jumped into my tummy...when she was very little." That was HER CREATION myth from an early age.
I guess that means that I and some of my friends have believed in OTHERLINESS for a long long time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 12:27:32 GMT -6
I believe that the soul is energy and does choose the experience it needs to add to it's education. I believe in reincarnation...I see the incarnations of others sometimes. So far..I've only seen 'human' incarnations but in part that may be because that is what I 'expect'. I see farmers, indians, miners..average people from other centuries. But..these are things my brain is comfy with. Since I believe/know...that the soul is energy then I suppose it could also be able to choose to experience what ever it wishes to experience. I read a book by a man who had died and had a NDE. While he was on a tour ..he saw (what we call) 'grey's' wandering around working with others..in this heavenly tour.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 18:12:57 GMT -6
What does it mean to be human? Is it a matter of DNA, or is it defined by something else instead? If you stop to think about it, the only substantive link we can grasp at is DNA, and yet we know that we are much, much more than billions of coded binary pairs. People are "human" because they have been taught that they are...they think that they are...therefore, they are. Humanity is a psychosocially transmitted identity. A child neglected by alcoholic parents sought shelter with the dogs in the family backyard. At the age of 3, she found herself huddling for warmth and protection with the dogs. The dogs not only cared for her, but they essentially reared her. When authorities finally intervened, they found a human girl who behaved just like the dogs she knew as her family. The girl's name is Oxana Malaya. Oxana is one of a small group of "feral" children known worldwide. What do they represent? To me, they are a reality check that illuminates what it means to be "human." Humanity is an identity imprinted upon us from an early age, a choice we decide to embrace and reaffirm. It is *not* an organic or default condition of our existence. Speech might be an instinctive impulse - as well as an upright posture - but the riches of the mind are a different matter. Our brains are a quantum portal device, an organic and portable probability engine that represents a clue into who and what we really are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 20:29:06 GMT -6
From another of these NDE's I read about beings who lived on Venus..unfortunately just that..no detail..but it would be interesting to know if we've 'traveled' in other forms.
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Post by plutronus on Sept 16, 2013 21:24:17 GMT -6
Over the years I have done quite a bit of research into people who don't believe they are fully human. ie: soul is something non human such as alien or vampire or whatever. I would really like to hear other peoples ideas and such on the theory that the soul is not always human and is actually an energy body that can be of different origins. Ive written a book on it called the non humans guide to living with humans. I don't want the research and information to end there though. I want to hear what other people think of the theory and if possible experiences pertaining to being not human yet looking like one. If you want a copy of the book or more information on the theory let me know. Its on amazon and I am willing to give a free copy of it if needed. This book is not about profit but about helping people who need it and the purpose of making information available. Anyways, all thoughts on the DNA of the energy body welcome Thanks Ann Holt Heh heh, last I looked I have nails, teeth, I eat other animals and I defecate...I must be an animal? But if I'm animal, doesn't that mean that I must also have an animal soul?? Right? I don't think I'm feeling quite Human here...now that I've been thinking about things a bit? heh heh
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 2:57:29 GMT -6
Welcome to TEOR daymoon. As far back as I can remember (very young), I recall certain things that I just cannot fathom being a childhood fantasy. It is what it is so take it for what it's worth. I know how it sounds. Here's what I recall. : I was placed inside some type of chamber (large room) with flashing warning lights and a large door closes downward. I was then exposed to a high electrical charge which went through me and filled the entire room ( approx. 20' x 20' ft.). The door then opens and an entity is standing outside. It leads me to a craft on a rail type system. We travel a few miles through a glass like city which is actually floating in space. I then board a fairly large white round craft. There are three (maybe 4 including the pilot) entities present throughout the journey. As the craft departs it begins to enter orbit and I look out a bay type window. I feel a sense of sadness. The "city" is huge and gorgeous. It is round,flat, and has tall structures, especially in the center. It reminds me of transparent crystals. As we continue on I see it angle from my perspective and get smaller. I recall a noise of rumbling and vibration as the craft accelerates. There are some things I can vaguely recall as to details inside. As we get closer to our destination (Earth), I recall standing before a type of stand that has details about a family. I then see my dad driving the stationwagon with a car load of kids as we hover above the hospital. I choose them. I immediately enter through the brick wall of the hospital and quickly go up several floors. I then enter my home in my mothers arms and meet them for the first time. ............
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 5:51:01 GMT -6
I realize that I may not be as smart or as witty as some of the people who post on this forum, so keep this in mind as I proceed from here. "What makes us human?" Society largely tries to tell us who and what we are. TV would be the next thing to tell us who we are and what we should do with the short time that most of us have on this earth. I think that there have been some valid points brought up on this thread. One thing that I had wondered while growing up was where do these beings come from? Werewolves, vampires, and the like? They seem to be as old as humanity itself. Growing up, I felt distinctly other. Maybe all people do and they don't say anything about it, I suppose. For the longest time, I thought that my father wasn't human. It wasn't because I had never met him until I was 20, but for some reason (even now I couldn't tell you exactly why) that seemed the logical explanation to me. I remember once as a kid waking up one night and sitting up in bed. I had a night light on the far side of the room, so when I had sat up and faced the mirror at the foot of my bed, the light shown on the right side of my face. I simply looked at myself and was thinking about things when from the left side of my face (which was darkened) a red eye opened in the area where my eye would naturally be. I quickly laid back down and moved the mirror the next morning. As I have mentioned on other threads before, there have been times when other people have commented that they think that I'm from "somewhere else". One person who was scared of me (some of the poltergeist stuff apparently rubbed off onto them) accused me of being an "alien" and said that I probably went home at night and took off my human mask - and I thought I had imagination! All I have been doing for the majority of my life is trying to be what I thought was "normal". When I met my dad for the first time, I had doubts that he was really my dad, but I went along with it. What was strange is that a lot of what my mom had described about my dad didn't match up, but I ignored it, as I was happy that I finally had the other piece of the puzzle that was my life. I never bothered to do a DNA test to determine if he was really my biological father and when he died, it was too late. Since we "mirror" each other to build rapport, there was no way to be certain that my dad was my dad. In the last year, more than one family member has said that it would've been strange to find out that I wasn't really related to them and had adopted them as my family. I had thought along similar lines as well. How bizarre would it be to have lived with a family for over 15 years now, getting to know them and interacting with them - only to find out that I'm not even related to them? Am I human/half-human/more "human than human"? I hesitate to answer that question truthfully. All I'll say is that when I looked to the sky at night, I feel homesick. Is it longing to be reunited with the Source or is it because my home is originally out there?
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Post by daymoon on Sept 17, 2013 5:53:49 GMT -6
WOW! Lots of awesome information thank you! *CLIFF* I loved the piece about remembering how you got here, It would make for a fabulous sci fi book on alien invasion and how it starts That bit aside though, I don't think you are the only one who has a memory like that.I have talked with a couple others who have had similar memories. I have even known a couple of people who have memories of their real bodies being in a stasis type storage somewhere else while they are here for a specific purpose. I just can't seem to make myself believe it is all imagination know what I mean? Anyway, have you ever been through past life regression? I bet you would come back with some interesting memories *BEWILDERED* I believe Oxana is a product of environmental effects. She grew up in an unusual environment, so she acted according to that environment. basically, just because she did not act like a human, didn't make her a dog. She was still in a human body. That being said, none of us are raised by fairies, vampires, reptilians ect. so what would make someone feel as though they are? Or give some the drive to look to other origins. For example, I have someone very close to me whom I believe is an actual fairy in human form. She is wild, has large unusual eyes that sparkle with mischief. To make it more visual, she looks like a real life tinkerbell minus the wings. Her behavior fits into that category as well. I know for a fact she was not raised by fairies to make her behave the way she does. Her mother is an angelic and her twin sister looks nothing like her and is more of a water spirit. Anyway, to make a long story short I put her under hypnosis and asked point blank questions without leading her into any subjects or conclusions. is this your first lifetime, things like that. The basis of what I am looking into is this, is the soul made of the same or similar energy as the human body. I believe for some it is, for others, not so much. Some people really do appear to have a soul from somewhere else running their body. *WISHMYTHOS* I am going to look into the changeling thing in more depth. Maybe I will add a new category to part two of my book I have a feeling though that changelings are a type of misunderstood fae. The fae kingdom is HUGE. Enough for a book all by itself for someone who could access that much information in enough detail to have individualized categories. *PAULETTE* I would really like to send your friend a copy of the book I wrote Its on amazon for .99 cents, I can't seem to figure out how to get it to a free price. I would not mind sending a copy for you both to read. On this book I don't care if it is profitable, I just want the information out there to help as many people as possible. I think of it as my contribution to world peace or something LOL! Well that and I just have this odd drive to get it to as many people as I can. Maybe it is a life mission who knows. maybe she will find it useful and not feel the need to hide anymore. Or at least from those of like mind Life is to short to spend it hiding a beautiful part of oneself and confused. The book is called "The non humans guide to living with humans" by Ann Holt. I have no issues with emailing it out for free. If I had know how many really interesting people I would get to visit with on here, I would have been here a long time ago
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Post by auntym on Sept 17, 2013 10:13:49 GMT -6
wow cliff... very interesting indeed...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 11:07:06 GMT -6
Welcome to TEOR daymoon. As far back as I can remember (very young), I recall certain things that I just cannot fathom being a childhood fantasy. It is what it is so take it for what it's worth. I know how it sounds. Here's what I recall. : I was placed inside some type of chamber (large room) with flashing warning lights and a large door closes downward. I was then exposed to a high electrical charge which went through me and filled the entire room ( approx. 20' x 20' ft.). The door then opens and an entity is standing outside. It leads me to a craft on a rail type system. We travel a few miles through a glass like city which is actually floating in space. I then board a fairly large white round craft. There are three (maybe 4 including the pilot) entities present throughout the journey. As the craft departs it begins to enter orbit and I look out a bay type window. I feel a sense of sadness. The "city" is huge and gorgeous. It is round,flat, and has tall structures, especially in the center. It reminds me of transparent crystals. As we continue on I see it angle from my perspective and get smaller. I recall a noise of rumbling and vibration as the craft accelerates. There are some things I can vaguely recall as to details inside. As we get closer to our destination (Earth), I recall standing before a type of stand that has details about a family. I then see my dad driving the stationwagon with a car load of kids as we hover above the hospital. I choose them. I immediately enter through the brick wall of the hospital and quickly go up several floors. I then enter my home in my mothers arms and meet them for the first time. ............ What else do you remember, Cliff?
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Post by paulette on Sept 17, 2013 11:41:59 GMT -6
Daymoon - I am going to send you a Personal Message. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 14:28:46 GMT -6
I just can't seem to make myself believe it is all imagination, know what I mean? Yes, I agree. I honestly don't know what to make of it. Anyway, have you ever been through past life regression? I bet you would come back with some interesting memories I haven't and I really don't want to go there. I don't think I can handle knowing any more than what I already do. Ironically however, I'm still searching for answers , if that makes any sense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 15:23:04 GMT -6
Welcome to TEOR daymoon. As far back as I can remember (very young), I recall certain things that I just cannot fathom being a childhood fantasy. It is what it is so take it for what it's worth. I know how it sounds. Here's what I recall. : I was placed inside some type of chamber (large room) with flashing warning lights and a large door closes downward. I was then exposed to a high electrical charge which went through me and filled the entire room ( approx. 20' x 20' ft.). The door then opens and an entity is standing outside. It leads me to a craft on a rail type system. We travel a few miles through a glass like city which is actually floating in space. I then board a fairly large white round craft. There are three (maybe 4 including the pilot) entities present throughout the journey. As the craft departs it begins to enter orbit and I look out a bay type window. I feel a sense of sadness. The "city" is huge and gorgeous. It is round,flat, and has tall structures, especially in the center. It reminds me of transparent crystals. As we continue on I see it angle from my perspective and get smaller. I recall a noise of rumbling and vibration as the craft accelerates. There are some things I can vaguely recall as to details inside. As we get closer to our destination (Earth), I recall standing before a type of stand that has details about a family. I then see my dad driving the stationwagon with a car load of kids as we hover above the hospital. I choose them. I immediately enter through the brick wall of the hospital and quickly go up several floors. I then enter my home in my mothers arms and meet them for the first time. ............ What else do you remember, Cliff? The room I was in was about 10'in height x 16'W x 24'L ? Upon entering that area there is a closed door to the right. There was another room to the back and to the left. I think that may have been where the chamber was that powered the craft. It had a door which was kept shut. The cockpit and pilot-( appr.8' x 12') From the entrance to the craft there was an adjoining room to the back right section which was on a lower deck that had one or two steps downward at the entrance. There was no door that I recall. The pilot of the craft was seated in a type of chair that tilted back (two seats I believe). In front of it was a large screen which resembled a monitor used to see where it was going (similar to what Travis Walton described). The control panel used to guide the craft was about 8'ft. long. Wishmythos, I can relate to how you and others feel about looking up at the stars. I believe we are human like everyone else though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 17:55:09 GMT -6
What else do you remember, Cliff? The room I was in was about 10'in height x 16'W x 24'L ? Upon entering that area there is a closed door to the right. There was another room to the back and to the left. I think that may have been where the chamber was that powered the craft. It had a door which was kept shut. The cockpit and pilot-( appr.8' x 12') From the entrance to the craft there was an adjoining room to the back right section which was on a lower deck that had one or two steps downward at the entrance. There was no door that I recall. The pilot of the craft was seated in a type of chair that tilted back (two seats I believe). In front of it was a large screen which resembled a monitor used to see where it was going (similar to what Travis Walton described). The control panel used to guide the craft was about 8'ft. long. Wishmythos, I can relate to how you and others feel about looking up at the stars. I believe we are human like everyone else though. That is amazing, Cliff and I can see why you don't want to pursue it any further. I won't ask any more questions on this as I respect your feelings on the matter. Perhaps we are human like everyone else, Cliff.
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Post by plutronus on Sept 17, 2013 19:06:17 GMT -6
I realize that I may not be as smart or as witty as some of the people who post on this forum, so keep this in mind as I proceed from here.
"What makes us human?" Society largely tries to tell us who and what we are. TV would be the next thing to tell us who we are and what we should do with the short time that most of us have on this earth. I think that there have been some valid points brought up on this thread. One thing that I had wondered while growing up was where do these beings come from? Werewolves, vampires, and the like? They seem to be as old as humanity itself.
Growing up, I felt distinctly other. Maybe all people do and they don't say anything about it, I suppose. For the longest time, I thought that my father wasn't human. It wasn't because I had never met him until I was 20, but for some reason (even now I couldn't tell you exactly why) that seemed the logical explanation to me. I remember once as a kid waking up one night and sitting up in bed. I had a night light on the far side of the room, so when I had sat up and faced the mirror at the foot of my bed, the light shown on the right side of my face. I simply looked at myself and was thinking about things when from the left side of my face (which was darkened) a red eye opened in the area where my eye would naturally be. I quickly laid back down and moved the mirror the next morning.
As I have mentioned on other threads before, there have been times when other people have commented that they think that I'm from "somewhere else". One person who was scared of me (some of the poltergeist stuff apparently rubbed off onto them) accused me of being an "alien" and said that I probably went home at night and took off my human mask - and I thought I had imagination! All I have been doing for the majority of my life is trying to be what I thought was "normal". When I met my dad for the first time, I had doubts that he was really my dad, but I went along with it. What was strange is that a lot of what my mom had described about my dad didn't match up, but I ignored it, as I was happy that I finally had the other piece of the puzzle that was my life. I never bothered to do a DNA test to determine if he was really my biological father and when he died, it was too late. Since we "mirror" each other to build rapport, there was no way to be certain that my dad was my dad. In the last year, more than one family member has said that it would've been strange to find out that I wasn't really related to them and had adopted them as my family. I had thought along similar lines as well. How bizarre would it be to have lived with a family for over 15 years now, getting to know them and interacting with them - only to find out that I'm not even related to them?
Am I human/half-human/more "human than human"? I hesitate to answer that question truthfully. All I'll say is that when I looked to the sky at night, I feel homesick. Is it longing to be reunited with the Source or is it because my home is originally out there? WishMythos,
>WishMythos said >Growing up, I felt distinctly other.
I suspect I know what you mean, and it quantifies my feelings fairly closely in the matter...for many years I believed that I had been somehow swapped at birth, but I couldn't figure out with what?, heh heh, I chuckle about it now, but I really mean it. As for the notion of being swapped with animal consciousness, we are animals. That isn't theory, it is fact. The discerning feature is quality of intelligence and ability to impose our agenda upon those other creatures with whom we share mutual existence, and in that exalted cognition-space, we consider ourselves somehow special, apart from the lower-soul lower-intelligence creatures...being Human. Mind-Intelligence follows soul development, not DNA.
The questions that 'the uninformed ask, "how does it all work?" Many books since about 1400s have been written by informed folks about the subject. The answers are known.
As far as 'smarts' are concerned its all relative, and it doesn't matter here in the TEOR whereas honesty and sincerity are the expected a'priori franka lingua...fore-knowledge straight-talk, --speculation is ok, provided it is identified as such.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 19:41:27 GMT -6
I realize that I may not be as smart or as witty as some of the people who post on this forum, so keep this in mind as I proceed from here.
"What makes us human?" Society largely tries to tell us who and what we are. TV would be the next thing to tell us who we are and what we should do with the short time that most of us have on this earth. I think that there have been some valid points brought up on this thread. One thing that I had wondered while growing up was where do these beings come from? Werewolves, vampires, and the like? They seem to be as old as humanity itself.
Growing up, I felt distinctly other. Maybe all people do and they don't say anything about it, I suppose. For the longest time, I thought that my father wasn't human. It wasn't because I had never met him until I was 20, but for some reason (even now I couldn't tell you exactly why) that seemed the logical explanation to me. I remember once as a kid waking up one night and sitting up in bed. I had a night light on the far side of the room, so when I had sat up and faced the mirror at the foot of my bed, the light shown on the right side of my face. I simply looked at myself and was thinking about things when from the left side of my face (which was darkened) a red eye opened in the area where my eye would naturally be. I quickly laid back down and moved the mirror the next morning.
As I have mentioned on other threads before, there have been times when other people have commented that they think that I'm from "somewhere else". One person who was scared of me (some of the poltergeist stuff apparently rubbed off onto them) accused me of being an "alien" and said that I probably went home at night and took off my human mask - and I thought I had imagination! All I have been doing for the majority of my life is trying to be what I thought was "normal". When I met my dad for the first time, I had doubts that he was really my dad, but I went along with it. What was strange is that a lot of what my mom had described about my dad didn't match up, but I ignored it, as I was happy that I finally had the other piece of the puzzle that was my life. I never bothered to do a DNA test to determine if he was really my biological father and when he died, it was too late. Since we "mirror" each other to build rapport, there was no way to be certain that my dad was my dad. In the last year, more than one family member has said that it would've been strange to find out that I wasn't really related to them and had adopted them as my family. I had thought along similar lines as well. How bizarre would it be to have lived with a family for over 15 years now, getting to know them and interacting with them - only to find out that I'm not even related to them?
Am I human/half-human/more "human than human"? I hesitate to answer that question truthfully. All I'll say is that when I looked to the sky at night, I feel homesick. Is it longing to be reunited with the Source or is it because my home is originally out there? WishMythos,
>WishMythos said >Growing up, I felt distinctly other.
I suspect I know what you mean, and it quantifies my feelings fairly closely in the matter...for many years I believed that I had been somehow swapped at birth, but I couldn't figure out with what?, heh heh, I chuckle about it now, but I really mean it. As for the notion of being swapped with animal consciousness, we are animals. That isn't theory, it is fact. The discerning feature is quality of intelligence and ability to impose our agenda upon those other creatures with whom we share mutual existence, and in that exalted cognition-space, we consider ourselves somehow special, apart from the lower-soul lower-intelligence creatures...being Human. Mind-Intelligence follows soul development, not DNA.
The questions that 'the uninformed ask, "how does it all work?" Many books since about 1400s have been written by informed folks about the subject. The answers are known.
As far as 'smarts' are concerned its all relative, and it doesn't matter here in the TEOR whereas honesty and sincerity are the expected a'priori franka lingua...fore-knowledge straight-talk, --speculation is ok, provided it is identified as such.
plutronusSwapped with animal consciousness? Sorry, but I've never heard of such books. Would you care to enlighten?
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Post by daymoon on Sept 17, 2013 19:55:45 GMT -6
*Wishmythos* I am in agreement here with *Plutronus*. Smarts do not matter. I have to point out though that smart can cover a huge line of meanings. You have street smart, common sense smart, book smart blah blah blah LOL! Everybody is intelligent in one area or another. A rocket scientist may be classified as being smart and an orange picker not smart. BUT let's see that rocket scientist take care of an orchard. he would fail miserably because he would have no real clue as to how to get out there, know when harvest is at its peak, how to stack the baskets to minimize smushing, all that stuff. By the end of the first day more than likely he would be ready to bawl dealing the bugs, basically that orange picker knows everything there is to know about that orchard that isn't in the books. Point is, intelligence should be measured on an individual basis not a group term to make those who aren't rocket scientists feel like they are less. Shoot, I can barely divide LOL but I can read and write with the best of them
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Post by bewildered on Sept 17, 2013 20:04:56 GMT -6
Intelligence, like "human," is yet another one of those terms whose meaning depends entirely upon opinion, not "fact."
What is intelligence?
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Post by plutronus on Sept 17, 2013 20:07:47 GMT -6
Over the years I have done quite a bit of research into people who don't believe they are fully human. ie: soul is something non human such as alien or vampire or whatever. I would really like to hear other peoples ideas and such on the theory that the soul is not always human and is actually an energy body that can be of different origins. Ive written a book on it called the non humans guide to living with humans. I don't want the research and information to end there though. I want to hear what other people think of the theory and if possible experiences pertaining to being not human yet looking like one.
If you want a copy of the book or more information on the theory let me know. Its on amazon and I am willing to give a free copy of it if needed. This book is not about profit but about helping people who need it and the purpose of making information available.
Anyways, all thoughts on the DNA of the energy body welcome
Thanks
Ann Holt Hi Ann,
Oops...pardon my manners...welcome to the TEOR.
>...the book......its on amazon
The title of your book would be good starting place. :>
You mention theory wrt soul 'classes', in light of this, I am curious what your take on re-incarnation might be? Also, do you ascribe to the notion of samskaric recording...Akasha?, as explicated by various Mystics over the years, --Blavatsky, Sai Baba, Waite, Case, Fortune, KhutHumi, Feldman, et cetera.
Thanks,
TEOR is a nice group of interesting folks and many of whom have had authentic, unusual experiences and who are often willing to share their adventures with others.
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Post by daymoon on Sept 17, 2013 20:16:29 GMT -6
I don't know who typed "Swapped with animal consciousness? Sorry but I've never heard of such books. Would you care to enlighten?" Come to think of it, I'm not sure that question was directed at me but I am going to answer it anyway LOL! Just cause I like to chat and non human consciousness is my fav. subject!
When I started this thread, it had nothing to do with "swapping" of consciousness. it is more about being born with something different. Wow I hate to make this sound like a bad sci fi movie, but basically what happens is at the moment of conception a soul is either created or placed in the fertilized egg. Some of those souls, spirits or energy body or what you wish to call it are made up of energy that doesn't always come from the two people doing the freaky deaky. In some cases it is a soul from elsewhere, other times it is a combining of two non human parents creating a hybrid. In a few cases the soul inhabiting the body came in during a near death experience or high fear experience. Those are called walk ins. it can be good or bad. I have seen some weird stuff with walk ins in the few cases i have been lucky enough to study. In those cases the original soul was either sleeping or dead or just gone. I am not sure I have that clear of an understanding of the purpose to a walk in. In all the cases I have had though, the person made a huge behavioral change. In my cases the change was for the better at least. One person woke up one day, changed careers, stopped partying, changed her clothing style, even eating habits changed. It was a neat thing to look into because the way she spoke even changed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 20:24:18 GMT -6
Intelligence, like "human," is yet another one of those terms whose meaning depends entirely upon opinion, not "fact." What is intelligence? Alright, alright... point taken.
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Post by bewildered on Sept 19, 2013 9:18:36 GMT -6
I only mentioned that as food for thought, wm. Bias is impossible to abandon...it's an intrinsic feature of observation and conscious experience. It's not always a bad thing, either. I wanted to point out that concepts like "humanity" and "intelligence" are fluid in nature and subject to the bias inherent in individual experience. One person's notion of human-ness is just as valid as anyone else's. One can argue that DNA forms the basis of what makes us human, but that carries with it a biological bias. Chimpanzees and gorillas both share over 97% and 95% (respectively) of our genome...are they human as well? Domestic dogs don't share as much genetic material in common, yet they are like us in a surprising number of ways. It's theorized that humans and dogs evolved together for a very long time.
Cognitive studies of canines - wolves and domestic dogs - demonstrate the close alliance between us and dogs. Wolves outperform domestic dogs in most cognitive tests when the dog is on its own with no human present...however, insert a human near to the dog, and the dog will outperform the wolf. The human in question can be a stranger to that dog, indicating that there is something about humanity that changes how a dog thinks and acts. We are "closer" to the world around us in ways that we presently don't understand. "Animal" souls or human souls...is there really a difference? I say there isn't, because Homo Sapiens is first and foremost an animal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 16:20:28 GMT -6
Thank you wishmythos for the respect . You, or anyone else, are more than welcome to ask anything you like. I don't mind sharing what I've experienced, I just don't wish to be hypnotized. I've often wondered about the paranormal things that have happened in my lifetime and have searched for answers. I've lived a relatively normal life like everyone else, but there have been exceptions on rare occasions. Most of those events I've shared here on TEOR. Something else I'll add to this is that my mother had 8 children and then she had her tubes tied. I somehow slipped through the knot and became # 9. I know that isn't all that uncommon but it does cause suspicion on my part. I have felt like an outsider at times. When relating to animals which have been mentioned on this thread, it seems that they are attracted to me.
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Post by daymoon on Sept 19, 2013 17:03:38 GMT -6
Hi Ann, Oops...pardon my manners...welcome to the TEOR. >...the book......its on amazon The title of your book would be good starting place. :> You mention theory wrt soul 'classes', in light of this, I am curious what your take on re-incarnation might be? Also, do you ascribe to the notion of samskaric recording...Akasha?, as explicated by various Mystics over the years, --Blavatsky, Sai Baba, Waite, Case, Fortune, KhutHumi, Feldman, et cetera. Thanks, TEOR is a nice group of interesting folks and many of whom have had authentic, unusual experiences and who are often willing to share their adventures with others. Well Plutronis I have been through past life regression. I have had a pretty different view point of the world ever since. I can't say if the memories I came back with are mine or if memories are actually stored genetically as some science areas would like to claim, they feel like mine though and since I have no memory of my grand parents or mother from past lives I would say it is not genetic. Unless I was switched at birth LOL! I don't exactly know for certain where those memories came from but I have them just the same. I do believe all the information of our souls travels or whatever are stored somewhere that the soul can link to to access that information. Maybe that information is specific to each soul or in one huge library, I'm not sure on that one. I don't think there is any way to know beyond a shadow of a doubt on it till one dies. I don't see it as mystical or magical, just a part of science and out universe that is not yet explored. I believe one day people will understand the nature of the soul and all the other things that go along with it. Anyways, the title to my book is "The Non Humans Guide to Living With Humans" by Ann Holt. Since you mentioned it, I wrote another book called "Immortal Interview" as well, it is about past life regression.
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