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Post by daymoon on Oct 16, 2013 8:50:14 GMT -6
OH I think there is nothing scientific about fear of the creepy crawlies. My fear is so bad, I will hurt you to escape a spider. Here is a more psychological view, many spiders and insects do in fact sting and bite. They can cause pain, illness and sometimes even death. It seems to me it is a learned behavior from way back not of the dark or anything of the sort but of experience. Say your great grandmaX1000 was bitten and killed by a spider in the dark. Learned behaviors have been hypothesized to be handed down through genetics. That one incident just sparked a fear of the dark, because no one saw the spider. So you have the beginning of the darkness fear, and of the strange things that come out more often at night because we don't know which one got grandma cave dweller. POOF! Just like magic.
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Post by plutronus on Oct 16, 2013 12:46:31 GMT -6
OH I think there is nothing scientific about fear of the creepy crawlies. My fear is so bad, I will hurt you to escape a spider. Here is a more psychological view, many spiders and insects do in fact sting and bite. They can cause pain, illness and sometimes even death. It seems to me it is a learned behavior from way back not of the dark or anything of the sort but of experience. Say your great grandmaX1000 was bitten and killed by a spider in the dark. Learned behaviors have been hypothesized to be handed down through genetics. That one incident just sparked a fear of the dark, because no one saw the spider. So you have the beginning of the darkness fear, and of the strange things that come out more often at night because we don't know which one got grandma cave dweller. POOF! Just like magic. DayMoon,
>OH I think there is nothing scientific about fear of the creepy crawlies.
I completely agree, but probably not for the same reasons as yours, but mainly, simply that science, a group of people who study nature's behaviors and then amongst themselves, via debates, tests, arguing, often lying and being outright deceitful..politics, eventually, come to quorum, --mutally agree about what a 'thing' means to them. They then present that info to others as being scientifically verified...'fact'. So science in of itself doesn't alter the reality of a thing, its just an agreed upon observation of a thing. So in that sense I agree with you. Much can be inferred by simply saying 'scientific'...strawman type connotation, adding no intrinsic value to the subject, which is the manner in which the phrase is generally deployed. It is interesting to realize, that in practice, scientists and the academic amongst themselves don't use the phrase 'scientific' in dialogs, nope, it is a term used by lay folks typically, in discussions attempting to authenticate a porported 'fact'. Its an out-sider statement.
Re; spiders....I too fear these little monsters. As you have described, the incited fear is for me also a visceral response, eg, not too much think'n happening. Pyschologists, have lots of interesting perspectives about what they have agreed amongst themselves as being scientific 'fact', explaining what is happening in one so dispaired. But who cares what they think? What value does it give? What does THEIR knowledge offer when ya'r runnin' tracks over your beloved children frantically escaping from a spider, --a miniscule organic glob with hydraulic legs, 1/10,000 our size?! Yep.
Re; magical pooty poofs... :->
Folks who are sufficiently psychic remember past life-terms, many of which when they weren't Human level consciousness (via Akasha), and being entrapped victims in spider webs. That's where my fear of them originate, although most don't remember being in the web, but just the fear of it. Fear is the great consciousness builder, cracking the concrete between physicality of brain and the Mind. In the Holy Tarot, fear is signified by the Blasted-Tower.
If anything is majikk, its the reality of God's Mind in which we are all but creatures.
@everyone Been busy with the upcoming San Jose California UFOcon2013 paper I'm preparing re; "History of scientific studies of ET presence" (not SETI), beginning in the 1800s up to the current "State-Of-The-Art of ET Scientific Studies". I understand that there'll be a DVD of the conference made available for $$. Perhaps the Californicans may deem a visit? If so, drop by and say 'howdy' to plutronus.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 18:06:38 GMT -6
Our primate ancestors were nocturnal (something you still see in prosimians like Tarsiers today), but our particular line has been diurnal for millions of years. I'm certain that a fear of the dark was an adaptation crucial to their survival. Insects would have been a problem since they could potentially weaken you and perhaps transmit illness. While certain things seem "hardwired," you always find exceptions in individuals and even groups of people. The darkness doesn't make me nervous or uncomfortable, and arthropods don't bother me at all; my sisters, on the other hand, are petrified of both. Who knows...perhaps I was dropped on my head an infant. Hmmmmmm. I know for a fact that I hit my head several times (around ? mo. old) when I tumbled down some outside concrete steps leading to a basement; my mom frantically running across the yard. It is very rare for me to be afraid of the dark. When I get my "spidey-sense" (lol) that it is time to go in, from experience, I go in. I don't like spiders, and have to admit that the way they look is probably the main reason. Who hasn't walked through an almost transparent web when walking through the woods? That feels creepy enough, without feeling something "extra" crawling on your skin! I don't run and scream, but I have brushed myself off frantically. Here's a thought for your next shower. After a nice warm shower, as you are toweling off, you have drips of water running down your body. Drips of water running down don't really feel any different than a spider moving on your body. Be sure to shake out that towel real well before you use it!
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Post by bewildered on Oct 16, 2013 18:55:52 GMT -6
Our primate ancestors were nocturnal (something you still see in prosimians like Tarsiers today), but our particular line has been diurnal for millions of years. I'm certain that a fear of the dark was an adaptation crucial to their survival. Insects would have been a problem since they could potentially weaken you and perhaps transmit illness. While certain things seem "hardwired," you always find exceptions in individuals and even groups of people. The darkness doesn't make me nervous or uncomfortable, and arthropods don't bother me at all; my sisters, on the other hand, are petrified of both. Who knows...perhaps I was dropped on my head an infant. Hmmmmmm. I know for a fact that I hit my head several times (around ? mo. old) when I tumbled down some outside concrete steps leading to a basement; my mom frantically running across the yard. It is very rare for me to be afraid of the dark. When I get my "spidey-sense" (lol) that it is time to go in, from experience, I go in. I don't like spiders, and have to admit that the way they look is probably the main reason. Who hasn't walked through an almost transparent web when walking through the woods? That feels creepy enough, without feeling something "extra" crawling on your skin! I don't run and scream, but I have brushed myself off frantically. Here's a thought for your next shower. After a nice warm shower, as you are toweling off, you have drips of water running down your body. Drips of water running down don't really feel any different than a spider moving on your body. Be sure to shake out that towel real well before you use it! My favorite thing to do with tarantulas: let them walk on my arm. Very cool. I actually find their appearance very fascinating. Arthropods have been around for a terribly long time, and are a crucial keystone animal species. Without them, we wouldn't have flowering plants.
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Post by daymoon on Oct 17, 2013 20:23:21 GMT -6
You are a twisted and very scary man bewildered. I will remember this and make sure I don't get to mouthy with you.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 20, 2013 12:03:36 GMT -6
You are a twisted and very scary man bewildered. I will remember this and make sure I don't get to mouthy with you. How am I twisted and very scary, daymoon? That's quite a judgment to make from a handful of posts on an internet forum.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 20, 2013 12:31:26 GMT -6
I'm sure you're probably joking, but this brings up an important topic that's worthy of discussion: the inter-connectedness of all life. As an order of animals, Arthropods have been around for over 550 million years. They're one of the oldest complex forms of life on Earth, and their presence and activity in ecosystems has made "life as we know it" possible. Terrestrial plants didn't develop flowers until after the Arthropods appeared on land; cellulose-consuming insects help keep forests vibrant and flourishing; insects like ants are part of the decay process, crucial in enriching the soil and eliminating vectors of disease pathogens; arachnids like spiders help keep the local Arthropod population under control through predation (yes, spiders are a natural form of "pest control"); insects like bees are responsible for enriching the gene pool of flowering plants (plants have DNA just like we ourselves do) through pollination; scorpions are highly-specialized arachnid predators who help keep insect populations in check; and lest we forget, arthropods are a source of food for countless other animals. They are a "keystone" order of animals because entire ecosystems and the life cycle of other animals would cease to exist without them. They're that important. Sure, some people are frightened by how they look. A reality check is in order, though: they existed long before the dinosaurs and mammals were around, so who is the "strange" looking one? Every life form, regardless of its appearance and function, is very important. Every animal and plant alive today owes a debt to the "scary" looking Arthropods like spiders, bees, and centipedes...without them, we wouldn't exist.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 14:34:42 GMT -6
You are a twisted and very scary man bewildered. I will remember this and make sure I don't get to mouthy with you. How am I twisted and very scary, daymoon? That's quite a judgment to make from a handful of posts on an internet forum. I guess I'll be twisted right along with ya Bewildered. I let a tarantula crawl on me recently. The darn thing jumped off my arm. Luckily, it was alright and it's legs didn't break when it hit the carpet. It was big and hairy too. I do get the eebie jeebies when I walk through a big web though like what Jc described. I'm not afraid of certain spiders. I let a certain type live in my home (though there are none in this home at this time probably due to the exterminator ).
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Post by daymoon on Oct 20, 2013 15:29:34 GMT -6
You are a twisted and very scary man bewildered. I will remember this and make sure I don't get to mouthy with you. How am I twisted and very scary, daymoon? That's quite a judgment to make from a handful of posts on an internet forum. I was only teasing If I seriously had a bad opinion of you I wouldn't reply to your posts at all. I will admit though, anyone with no fear of spiders makes me a tad nervous. At any time they could throw one on me causing severe chaos, trauma and carnage to follow!! LOL!
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Post by daymoon on Oct 20, 2013 15:31:53 GMT -6
How am I twisted and very scary, daymoon? That's quite a judgment to make from a handful of posts on an internet forum. I guess I'll be twisted right along with ya Bewildered. I let a tarantula crawl on me recently. The darn thing jumped off my arm. Luckily, it was alright and it's legs didn't break when it hit the carpet. It was big and hairy too. I do get the eebie jeebies when I walk through a big web though like what Jc described. I'm not afraid of certain spiders. I let a certain type live in my home (though there are none in this home at this time probably due to the exterminator ). AHHH!!!!! just thinking of that scenario makes me shiver!! I am glad I don't know what you look like, because then I would have a really clear picture of that for my over active imagination.
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Post by daymoon on Oct 20, 2013 15:41:19 GMT -6
I'm sure you're probably joking, but this brings up an important topic that's worthy of discussion: the inter-connectedness of all life. As an order of animals, Arthropods have been around for over 550 million years. They're one of the oldest complex forms of life on Earth, and their presence and activity in ecosystems has made "life as we know it" possible. Terrestrial plants didn't develop flowers until after the Arthropods appeared on land; cellulose-consuming insects help keep forests vibrant and flourishing; insects like ants are part of the decay process, crucial in enriching the soil and eliminating vectors of disease pathogens; arachnids like spiders help keep the local Arthropod population under control through predation (yes, spiders are a natural form of "pest control"); insects like bees are responsible for enriching the gene pool of flowering plants (plants have DNA just like we ourselves do) through pollination; scorpions are highly-specialized arachnid predators who help keep insect populations in check; and lest we forget, arthropods are a source of food for countless other animals. They are a "keystone" order of animals because entire ecosystems and the life cycle of other animals would cease to exist without them. They're that important. Sure, some people are frightened by how they look. A reality check is in order, though: they existed long before the dinosaurs and mammals were around, so who is the "strange" looking one? Every life form, regardless of its appearance and function, is very important. Every animal and plant alive today owes a debt to the "scary" looking Arthropods like spiders, bees, and centipedes...without them, we wouldn't exist. Yes I was kidding Sorry, I have a somewhat dry sense of humor and occasionally forget people can't see me grinning when typing smart alec responses. As far as the interconnection of every living thing, I do believe everything shares a connection through what is more widely becoming known as "the god particle". I can't say though as I actually feel connected to anything of the earth or the life on aside from a few members of my soul family. Even with them I don't feel a connection or as though I am somehow linked. I understand that I function as a member of the big food chain, but it is only as a means of physical survival.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 20, 2013 17:50:58 GMT -6
No worries. Using emoticons can help people "get" that you are kidding around. It's no biggie, though. My wife hates spiders, and I don't hold it against her.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 20, 2013 18:00:58 GMT -6
How am I twisted and very scary, daymoon? That's quite a judgment to make from a handful of posts on an internet forum. I was only teasing If I seriously had a bad opinion of you I wouldn't reply to your posts at all. I will admit though, anyone with no fear of spiders makes me a tad nervous. At any time they could throw one on me causing severe chaos, trauma and carnage to follow!! LOL! Nah, I would never do something like that. I'm not afraid of them because I see how valuable and important they are. The next time you see a big ol' spider, remember this: they grew that large eating bugs. Lots of bugs. Bugs that would overrun your home and yard if they weren't around. They are unsung heroes. Something else to keep in mind: they are more afraid of you than you are of them. We are like mountains compared to those guys. Trust me when I say that the itsy bitsy spider doesn't wake up in the morning thinking, "Today is the day I scare Daymoon!"
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Post by bewildered on Oct 20, 2013 18:17:52 GMT -6
How am I twisted and very scary, daymoon? That's quite a judgment to make from a handful of posts on an internet forum. I guess I'll be twisted right along with ya Bewildered. I let a tarantula crawl on me recently. The darn thing jumped off my arm. Luckily, it was alright and it's legs didn't break when it hit the carpet. It was big and hairy too. I do get the eebie jeebies when I walk through a big web though like what Jc described. I'm not afraid of certain spiders. I let a certain type live in my home (though there are none in this home at this time probably due to the exterminator ). They're harmless to people. Spider bites occur as a last-ditch defense by the arachnid as they are being crushed (usually unknowingly) on someone's skin. They certainly don't view us as prey. Yep, even I experience the heebie jeebies when I run into a spider web - it's involuntary. I overcame my fears of "creepy crawlies" many years ago when I used to inspect buildings for a living. I had to crawl beneath some rather ancient buildings, and I encountered a number of things in those dark, dank crawlspaces. Hordes of camel crickets, spiders, rats, centipedes, scorpions, and my personal favorite: a Ball Python that had escaped from its enclosure. I coaxed it out and returned the snake to its owner. It was a very cool experience. It looked something like this one. Very beautiful.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 20:41:58 GMT -6
I guess I'll be twisted right along with ya Bewildered. I let a tarantula crawl on me recently. The darn thing jumped off my arm. Luckily, it was alright and it's legs didn't break when it hit the carpet. It was big and hairy too. I do get the eebie jeebies when I walk through a big web though like what Jc described. I'm not afraid of certain spiders. I let a certain type live in my home (though there are none in this home at this time probably due to the exterminator ). AHHH!!!!! just thinking of that scenario makes me shiver!! I am glad I don't know what you look like, because then I would have a really clear picture of that for my over active imagination. I was going to show a picture of me holding a snake I had caught and brought in the house but I'll be nice ,,,,, for now anyway,,,,
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 23:17:50 GMT -6
Honestly, I think I would wipe at myself just as fervently, if I ran into some high-spun cotton candy! But back to how things look, I don't understand why certain appearances of things are bothersome. I mean, I understand that someone like Lois (here) doesn't like the way praying mantis' look, because they reference her memories in a terrifying way. . . . I only assume that I could be bothered by how spiders look. This summer I had a spider in my shoe, and he "gouged" me 3 different places on my ankle before I got my shoe off. I felt sorry for him! I also think snakes are beautiful creatures, and held them quite a bit as a pre-teen. Does it make me a bad person if I care not to hold any mice or rats? I still will not watch someone feed their snake. Also, chickens' appearance can be quite cute, but is any one else here aware of how mean they can be? And that they seem fairly aware that they have weapons (feet and beak) ? ________________________________________________________________________ Speaking of DNA in plants, have you heard of some of the combinations that are being experimented with??
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Post by bewildered on Oct 21, 2013 0:04:50 GMT -6
Having kept chickens for some time, I can attest to how brutal they can be. Birds are the only dinosaurs to survive the last major extinction event, and it's little wonder why they did. They are endothermic, care for their young, and are highly intelligent. They're quite marvelous, really. They can regenerate neurons very quickly, something that we are not capable of doing.
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Post by daymoon on Oct 22, 2013 19:10:38 GMT -6
AHHH!!!!! just thinking of that scenario makes me shiver!! I am glad I don't know what you look like, because then I would have a really clear picture of that for my over active imagination. I was going to show a picture of me holding a snake I had caught and brought in the house but I'll be nice ,,,,, for now anyway,,,, HAHA! You would have been thwarted on the snake pic. I am not afraid of snakes or rats. Pretty much just spiders, june bugs, locusts and grasshoppers LOL!! I almost wrecked an 84 blazer k10 when a grasshopper flew in the window and landed on my steering wheel a few years ago LOL!! I am now mentally and emotionally scarred from the ordeal. BTW that is a good picture, I don't why, but I had pictured you with black hair.
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Post by daymoon on Oct 22, 2013 19:11:50 GMT -6
Having kept chickens for some time, I can attest to how brutal they can be. Birds are the only dinosaurs to survive the last major extinction event, and it's little wonder why they did. They are endothermic, care for their young, and are highly intelligent. They're quite marvelous, really. They can regenerate neurons very quickly, something that we are not capable of doing. If chickens are so smart, how come they will look up at the rain and drowned? Certain types will anyway.
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Post by skywalker on Oct 22, 2013 19:39:24 GMT -6
If chickens are so smart, how come they will look up at the rain and drowned? Certain types will anyway. That's actually a myth. www.snopes.com/critters/wild/turkey.aspDomestic animals are intentionally bred to be stupid and docile thereby making them easier to control. Sometimes this intentional de-evolutionary breeding causes some abnormal side effects like turkeys that will sometimes stare up at the sky, whether it is raining or not, for long periods of time. The reason why they do it is a genetic condition called tetanic torticollar spasms that induces abnormal behavior. This is probably how the myth about turkeys looking up and drowning got started.
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Post by paulette on Oct 23, 2013 14:14:57 GMT -6
Domestic animals are intentionally bred to be stupid and docile thereby making them easier to control. Sometimes this intentional de-evolutionary breeding causes some abnormal side effects like turkeys that will sometimes stare up at the sky, whether it is raining or not, for long periods of time. The reason why they do it is a genetic condition called tetanic torticollar spasms that induces abnormal behavior. This is probably how the myth about turkeys looking up and drowning got started. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/3956/exactly-feeling-human?page=4&scrollTo=48162#ixzz2iZqMY2ueI read that and for some reason it REALLY TWEAKED ME. As some of you know, I go on and on about how early human civilization was shaped by ETs. I've taken most of my info from Zakaria Sitchen and Lawrence but its on a lot of shows on TV etc etc. But even BEFORE I read what I read, I believed it. We just moved from sentient hunter gathers (who had fire and tools but lived short difficult lives) to farmers and city dwellers TOO FAST to be believed. And Sitchen and others' believe that the Anunuki were mining gold (perhaps to power their ships or make repairs) and they didn't like the work. Sitchen has pictures of what also appears to be mining ore with rays coming off of it - probably radiation. They didn't like to do that either. So they bred up (we were one of the first GMO's?) to be smart enough to follow orders but stupid enough to work docilely and be controlled. Except that our predator/omnivore nature was less controllable than they expected perhaps. Or we "threw back" in the intervening generations after they left. So we stand and look up at the sky, still make pointy things on the roofs of our churches and towers to call people to prayer. Some groups of humans seemed to have less civilization and still live (or would like to) much like the hunter-gatherers have always lived - in small groups in the forest, hunting small prey and maintaining uneasy interactions at the borders of territory. If you want to see how fast a hunter-gatherer can come up to civilized speed, watch videos of the Amazonian tribes who have embraces videos and cameras, recording devices and services of lawyers. Because they had too. Paulette
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Post by bewildered on Oct 23, 2013 16:58:24 GMT -6
Studies of indigenous hunter-gatherer societies like the !Kung of the Kalahari reveal a decidedly different picture, paulette. These people not only live long lives, but they also work considerably less than we do in our complex price-market exchange economy. In other words, they enjoy a much higher standard of living: they work less, enjoy superior health, and have more time to devote to family matters.
A band of !Kung hunter-gatherers, on average, numbers approximately 30 people. Of those 30 people, 10 are children. The !Kung live a nomadic lifestyle, have no organised leadership, lack codified laws, don't own land, eschew personal property, and practice generalized reciprocity (no expectation of return). The women spend 3 hours per day foraging and gathering vegetative food, while the males spend an equivalent amount of time hunting game animals. !Kung women breastfeed their children until their 5th year of life, and as is common in women who are lactating, experience amenorrhea - the absence of ovulation and menstruation - which partially explains their relatively low birth rate.
Everyone in the band, regardless of whether they gathered food or hunted that day, receives a share of food proportionate to their need. No one goes hungry...not even during times of very little. Violence is practically unheard of among the !Kung, and theft simply never happens because the band communally owns all of their material goods. Hoarding and other selfishly-motivated behaviors are selected against through social pressure and shaming, which as you can imagine, is highly effective in such a small band of people.
Members of one !Kung band were studied for quite some time by a group of anthropologists. The state of their physical health was shocking: despite never having a medical checkup, most of the !Kung were in excellent health. Contrast all of this with our own mode of life...who really has it better?
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Post by bewildered on Oct 23, 2013 17:05:49 GMT -6
Human cultural evolution is influenced by two major factors: environment, and the carrying capacity of that environment. In locales such as the Kalahari or the sub-arctic tundra, resources constrain population size and prevent the accumulation of surplus food resources. In every case where an advanced human civilization evolves, you'll find a surplus of food at the base of their evolution. Food surplus permits occupational specialization, which in turn fuels invention and the development of new technology. With surplus, bands evolve into tribes, which eventually transform into chiefdoms. The chiefdom that is capable of storing food for long periods of time eventually develops into the most complex form of human society: the state. The first human civilizations to travel this path were the Akkadians (generically called Sumerians), followed by the Babylonians, the Egyptians, the Indus Valley people, Persians, Greeks, and so on. Each one of those civilizations had an abundance of surplus food. That surplus enabled social, political, and economic evolution to take place.
I should also note that the greatest civilizations rose because of sustainable, abundant food resources: agriculture, sometimes in concert with pastoralism. Our own culture practices industrialized agriculture along with what I sarcastically call "hyper-pastoralism," or manufacture-oriented animal production. Food is the most important resource...without it, we wouldn't exist.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 23, 2013 17:36:38 GMT -6
If chickens are so smart, how come they will look up at the rain and drowned? Certain types will anyway. That's actually a myth. www.snopes.com/critters/wild/turkey.aspDomestic animals are intentionally bred to be stupid and docile thereby making them easier to control. Sometimes this intentional de-evolutionary breeding causes some abnormal side effects like turkeys that will sometimes stare up at the sky, whether it is raining or not, for long periods of time. The reason why they do it is a genetic condition called tetanic torticollar spasms that induces abnormal behavior. This is probably how the myth about turkeys looking up and drowning got started. As most game hunters will attest, wild turkeys are popular prey due to their keen intelligence and superior senses. I accompanied a fellow on a wild turkey hunt, and I was able to witness, first hand, just how savvy Tom turkeys really are. We were positioned behind a blind, and had an excellent view of a group of wild turkeys in a clearing. The hunter used a call to snare the attention of the closest male. He was an experienced turkey hunter, and whispered his tactics to me as the hunt progressed. At first, he said it was going too easily...which meant that the Tom was suspicious and was likely to see through his ruse at any moment. This hunter was very cautious, however, and barely moved as he used the call to keep the male turkey's interest. I have never seen anything like it. The Tom turkey would move forward a few paces, looking away as he did so, and then come to a sudden stop, staring directly at our blind! It was almost as if he were trying to catch the hunter in the act...and if the hunter wasn't as experienced as he was, the turkey would have done so easily. Every time the turkey would do that, the hunter froze completely still, holding his breath. As the turkey came closer to our position, he started moving his gun into position...one small motion at a time. When the bird was close enough to safely shoot, I watched as the turkey suddenly turned around, ready to run away...but it was too late for him. Wild turkeys are very intelligent.
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Post by skywalker on Oct 23, 2013 17:56:08 GMT -6
Yes, they are. That's why Benjamin Franklin wanted to make the turkey our national bird. I used to hunt turkeys back when I was a teenager (before I decided that I hated to kill animals). During all those years of hunting I only managed to shoot one which just happened to provide our family with a nice Thanksgiving dinner. The rest of the time I came home birdless. There was this one humongous male turkey that I chased after for years and never got close enough for a shot...except for one time when I was on my way home (birdless again ) and I almost walked right into him. There he was standing there not more than ten feet away looking about the size of a feathery VW Beetle... and he didn't know I was there! I was so startled by my good fortune that I quickly raised my shotgun and fired a huge blast with both barrels...and missed! The turkey turned and looked at me like I was some type of a lunatic or something then proceeded to disappear into the bushes. I think that was the last time I was able to get within a mile of him. I would sometimes walk out on our front porch after that and see that giant turkey sitting on top of some power lines about a mile from the house just sitting there as calm as could be. He was probably flipping me the bird.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 23, 2013 18:20:35 GMT -6
I know how to hunt, and would only do so if I needed the food. I'm with you: I will not kill another creature for sport purposes. It's unacceptable to me. I do, however, like observing hunters in the act. I'm a good tag-along because I know when to be quiet and stay still. I've learned a great deal about animals, nature, and my own self from watching hunts in action. Regardless of what we think about it now, hunting is a part of how we evolved. It's a good skill to keep in reserve in the event that civilization goes belly-up from a huge comet/meteor impact or EMP burst that disables technology.
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Post by skywalker on Oct 23, 2013 21:05:42 GMT -6
I loved hunting, just not the killing. I would much rather see an animal running and jumping and playing in the woods than to see his head hanging on my wall with a goofy look on his face like he's wondering what he did wrong. Anytime I shot anything I always felt sad and guilty about it afterwards. I really liked that part about getting out in nature and sneaking around in the bushes and stalking animals trying to get closer to them. That was fun. I still do that sometimes but the only thing I shoot animals with now is a camera.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 23, 2013 21:28:13 GMT -6
That reminds me of a story I read several years ago about a guy who would walk right up to deer in the wild and touch them. He learned to do this as a child under the tutelage of his best friend's grandfather, who was Apache. He was observed in the act, and recorded taking a step once every 90 seconds. He apparently could do this even when the deer was looking directly at him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 5:31:51 GMT -6
Pretty neat . I imagine that took a ton of patience . I wonder what he did then? I mean, do the deer start sniffing him and such? Just to stand there would be awesome, even if it was brief .
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Post by bewildered on Oct 24, 2013 9:34:37 GMT -6
Pretty neat . I imagine that took a ton of patience . I wonder what he did then? I mean, do the deer start sniffing him and such? Just to stand there would be awesome, even if it was brief . According to this fellow, the Apache considered such a method to be the only hoannable hunt: if you drew an arrow, it needed to be mere inches away from your mark. He didn't do anything to the deer, except occasionally plucking a hair from their tail.
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