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Post by lois on Mar 4, 2012 23:40:53 GMT -6
Ron, is this your brother in Indiana, I suppose it is, you posted the lake in a photo on mufon once. showing the spot where he had the encounter. So sorry to hear his mental health is deteriorating ........ How many brothers do you have, I'm thinking he is the only one. You once said he had an alien in his yard at night. Same brother?
Hope you can get him placed somewhere that suits him. I lived with my brother once, it was ok I guess we had a lot in common. He passed two years ago of brain cancer. He also had encounters.The hooded grays is what visited him. I have never seen a gray and don't care to. Missing time is bad but not as bad as having it retrieved. I may never know who was piloting that huge ship but it was there for me.. and me only. Let us know how things are going. take care. I will be thinking of you and pray things turn out ok.
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Post by spotless38 on Mar 5, 2012 12:03:26 GMT -6
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron, is this your brother in Indiana, I suppose it is, you posted the lake in a photo on mufon once. showing the spot where he had the encounter. So sorry to hear his mental health is deteriorating ........ How many brothers do you have, I'm thinking he is the only one. You once said he had an alien in his yard at night. Same brother? Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=recent#ixzz1oGYlyxTl Hi Lois . That is my cousin that has on going experiences I have in my family 1 brother and 1 other sister . All the rest is cousins My brother is the one that is being a Putz head ( LOL ) My brother will listen to me to a degree . ( maybe ) To go back to my cousin . He had them in his house and even while I was there DANG ! God I love the Paranormal
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Post by lois on Mar 5, 2012 12:31:03 GMT -6
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron, is this your brother in Indiana, I suppose it is, you posted the lake in a photo on mufon once. showing the spot where he had the encounter. So sorry to hear his mental health is deteriorating ........ How many brothers do you have, I'm thinking he is the only one. You once said he had an alien in his yard at night. Same brother? Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=recent#ixzz1oGYlyxTl Hi Lois . That is my cousin that has on going experiences I have in my family 1 brother and 1 other sister . All the rest is cousins My brother is the one that is being a Putz head ( LOL ) My brother will listen to me to a degree . ( maybe ) To go back to my cousin . He had them in his house and even while I was there DANG ! God I love the Paranormal All this time and I thought it was your brother. I was thinking maybe the alien visitors was messing up his mind, but see now that is just not the case. How could I ever forget it was your cousin? Has he had any experiences lately? I has been awhile.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 5, 2012 19:27:38 GMT -6
I think I am getting confused now. Spotless' name is Ron and both Ron and Tom are talking about cousins and brothers. My name is also Tom and I'm not sure who's brother's cousin is who's cousin's brother...
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Post by skywalker on Mar 5, 2012 19:33:13 GMT -6
I wonder what it is that causes the compass to spin like that? I've heard a lot of reports of it happening but I've never actually seen one do it before. The same goes for the radiation. Most investigations never turn up any type of radiation at all. Why do you suppose this case is different regarding both of those things?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 6:37:17 GMT -6
I'm sorry to hear about Matt. Both Lois and I feel that we have received "damage" from these events.
Not all of our events combined caused this damage. Lois though (than myself) has a better idea of when hers happened. By this I mean, the particular event that hurt her.
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Post by lois on Mar 6, 2012 13:14:33 GMT -6
I'm sorry to hear about Matt. Both Lois and I feel that we have received "damage" from these events. Not all of our events combined caused this damage. Lois though (than myself) has a better idea of when hers happened. By this I mean, the particular event that hurt her. Absolutely
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 13:59:23 GMT -6
The only way I can stay 'balanced' with this..is in trying to understand that we were not meant to be 'damaged' . I've always believed that they had a particular 'distaste' of us (my friend and I) and to me that means they didn't fathom us as equals in any way. As a race..human beings don't even think alike and we have humanity in common. How could we know what they think or how they process? Minds that solved lengthy space flight (or inter-dimensional physics) are most likely a tad more advanced than relating to a couple of teenage girls out riding our horses and thinking about cute boys or the housewife wondering what to cook up for dinner or the man thinking about changing his oil. They don't pick rocket scientists..they pick US. It's been easier for me to just factor this in as a part of my life experience on planet earth. I have this belief that there are no coincidences..so this must be a part of some plan for me. I don't say this can help everyone cope..but it has taken a lot of the anger from me.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 6, 2012 13:59:43 GMT -6
It makes you wonder what it is they are doing. They supposedly help some people but hurt others. They cure some illnesses but cause others. It doesn't make any sense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 14:08:29 GMT -6
Doesn't make a bit of sense. Some people are entranced by them..think they are saviors and others emerge damaged for life in small ways..ears ringing or bloody noses or worse. Poked and prodded with out bothering to ask..doesn't make them any kind of hero in my book..just mean little kidnappers who leave us with dreams of sharks or spiders or other predators BUT..we don't have the complete picture and I'm guessing that's because we're not supposed to. Kind of tough to make inner peace with it LOL
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Post by skywalker on Mar 6, 2012 14:39:13 GMT -6
I still want to know what the complete picture is. If they are going to make me run through a maze I at least want to get the cheeseburger at the end...otherwise I am not going to run through their silly maze anymore.
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Post by Steve on Mar 6, 2012 14:52:57 GMT -6
It's just (Tom & Matt) Nancy my Mother As far as what left the Rad & Mag Fields. it looked like an orange ball that many had seen that night. My brother just kept driving with it in sight and after 20 min or so he found himself in a field and lost time. Blood on his shirt, feeling odd, Mag & Rad. all over his SUV. Matt has never been 100% since. Our accounts in the 1960's were very diff. In 1992 our accounts were talked about at the United Nations by Robert Bletchman, as they had gained much intrest as well. Several questions Tom. Since the 1960s, have you noticed any changes over the decades from dealing directly with the phenomenon? Was the same compass used around Matt's vehicle indicating the unusual magnetic field ever tested on an identical model vehicle as a control test sample for comparison? All vehicles produce magnetic fields from the ample ferrous materials, engines, and its many electrical systems. The radiation levels associated with the SUV are perplexing. Metal objects (such as automobiles) are usually very insensitive to radiation exposure. Were radiation levels higher around any plastics in the vehicle? Has Matt shown since the experience any signs of radiation exposure. Thyroid tests, nausea, hair loss beyond normal? Much would depend perhaps on the kind of radiation Matt and his vehicle were exposed to perhaps. Which may tell a lot in itself. Were there any samples collected and were they tested and findings shared with you or your family? Respectfully, Steve
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Post by skywalker on Mar 6, 2012 15:05:40 GMT -6
Those are some good questions. I'm still trying to make sense of the radiation and compass thing too. I suppose whoever carried out the investigation would be the one with the answers. If it was Bigelow or MUFON those answers have probably disappeared into a black hole somewhere. Tom said that Debbie Kauble was the one filming the compass...was she ever with MUFON or was she just investigating the incident independently?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 15:17:51 GMT -6
Can I have a chocolate sundae instead of a cheeseburger? ;D
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Post by Steve on Mar 6, 2012 15:21:57 GMT -6
It's just (Tom & Matt) Nancy my Mother As far as what left the Rad & Mag Fields. it looked like an orange ball that many had seen that night. My brother just kept driving with it in sight and after 20 min or so he found himself in a field and lost time. Blood on his shirt, feeling odd, Mag & Rad. all over his SUV. Matt has never been 100% since. Our accounts in the 1960's were very diff. In 1992 our accounts were talked about at the United Nations by Robert Bletchman, as they had gained much intrest as well. Several questions Tom. Since the 1960s, have you noticed any changes over the decades from dealing directly with the phenomenon? Was the same compass used around Matt's vehicle indicating the unusual magnetic field ever tested on an identical model vehicle as a control test sample for comparison? All vehicles produce magnetic fields from the ample ferrous materials, engines, and its many electrical systems. The radiation levels associated with the SUV are perplexing. Metal objects (such as automobiles) are usually very insensitive to radiation exposure. Were radiation levels higher around any plastics in the vehicle? Has Matt shown since the experience any signs of radiation exposure. Thyroid tests, nausea, hair loss beyond normal? Much would depend perhaps on the kind of radiation Matt and his vehicle were exposed to perhaps. Which may tell a lot in itself. Were there any samples collected and were they tested and findings shared with you or your family? Respectfully, Steve Forgot, another question if I may. Your brother Matt was found in the field after his period of 'missing time'. Any other unusual elements noticed in that field? Say landing marks, other tracks? I know of another case in New York state were there was also a period of missing time. The man was returned to his home driveway, having just thought he had just pulled out of his driveway. Several missing hours and an emergency trip to the ER occurred afterward. Hypnotic regressions revealed the route he took to a empty field which were retraced. Everyone noticed the clients vehicle tracks entering the field.... but no tracks exiting the same field. Steve
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Post by Steve on Mar 6, 2012 15:53:05 GMT -6
Love the video Steve Posted... too funy. I have to come-back with this Steve: this is not as dead on but just as dumb and funny. Thanks Tom. That lady in your video was painful to watch but thanks anyway. My original comic video was only to have fun with JCurio and present a humorous video showing how old social norms discarded and feminism have been beneficial. This reporter (?) doesn't seem confused, just totally lost. It must be hard going through life stoned without even being stoned. They are indirectly making fun of her too, which is a little sad. Thanks, Steve
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Post by skywalker on Mar 6, 2012 18:19:06 GMT -6
Can I have a chocolate sundae instead of a cheeseburger? ;D Only if you run real fast through the maze, Jo. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 11:03:46 GMT -6
LOL..lately..I'm CRAWLING through
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Post by lois on Mar 7, 2012 20:15:23 GMT -6
Does any one here know the largest size family ever taken by a ufo. I know the Kelly event in Kentucky involved many in the family they terrorized. Still they were not abducted. Many cases come to mind. But maybe there are families of ten people who may of been taken. The reason I asked is I'm from a very large family and although my oldest brother was married before the last two children was born to my Parents.. there was a span of years where we had 11 of us all living at home. This 11 is including my parents. I think back to my teenage experiences and ask was I the only one that night? Maybe others in our family do not remember a thing, or maybe they don't want to remember. I have the best memory of all of them, which means nothing really as the aliens decides who and who and who doesn't remember. I know at lease four of us have had experiences with other beings, but later in life when we had our own children. It would not of been such a hard task as we lived at the end of a T in the road. Straight ahead was the coal yard. and to the left was the city cemetery. See my google earth photos under my experiences. On the other side of our street were no residents or homes. Only a giant semi building. They stored the big wheelers there. Once and a while during the day they would be open but nothing stirred over there at night. Not even a watchman. I just can't believe all of us and I was the one they wanted. Has there been a case like this? I don't mean like the African Children event, I mean families in large numbers
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Post by lois on Mar 7, 2012 20:19:11 GMT -6
Now this is strange . how did the happy face get on the end of my post??? I did not post reply at the top of page. Only quick reply.. like I'm doing now..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 0:58:26 GMT -6
Can I have a chocolate sundae instead of a cheeseburger? ;D Only if you run real fast through the maze, Jo. ;D I want a chocolate milkshake... with sprinkles... ;D On second thought... if the Verdants made the milkshake... I dun want it after all... *blech*
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 3:18:24 GMT -6
This case hits close to home, hard and heavy. The pictures are difficult to look at. I read in one article where you saw a chair rocking with nobody in it. I did too. I thought it was my dad but now Im not so sure. The orange orbs are another. The drawings of the beings are very similar to what I encountered also.
Tom, sorry if I overlooked it, but, how tall were these beings ? I noticed in one article that there was one taller than others . Is there anything else you can disclose about what happened during the encounters ? Thanks !
Cliff
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 11:09:35 GMT -6
I couldn't finish them Cliff (the pics) my belly felt like a bag of snakes Aren't we just a mess of trauma LOL
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 23:31:17 GMT -6
~hugz Jo and gives her a chocolate sundae~
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2012 13:42:19 GMT -6
mmmmmmm bliss ;D
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Post by Steve on Mar 11, 2012 3:57:53 GMT -6
Listed from West to East - Abduction, Entity, missing time reports filed. From January 1, 2009 to present. These are only abduction or Entity cases that are actually reported. They likely only represent a fraction of all possible activity. But it provides at least some initial view geographically. This is my first attempt at a CE-4 map. Something I have wished to do for many years - but with little data to incorporate comprehensively in some fashion. Most abduction cases are probably not reported to UFO organizations. Most reports may become known to some extent likely through organizations focused on Alien abductions - - or only within the confines and confidentiality of a therapists office. So it maybe impossible to get a comprehensive big picture - but I am attempting anyway. Some report similar events - multiple craft and multiple persons reportedly taken during the same event. Two reported separate events shown are known to be blood relatives. The best quality reports so far reflected in this map come from the Ohio river valley and Appalachian mountain regions - Tennessee, Kentucky - Indiana. One recent case alone in Kentucky eclipses all others at present in how extraordinary it was. I have read a number of such cases - and I have to write that case from the list below maybe one of the most extraordinary and best investigated abduction cases in at least the last dacade. It involving 5 witnesses taken, multiple shaped craft seen very close hovering close to or seen landed on the ground - missing time - entities, and other elements I am declining to mention - and all for 3.5 hours. Dates shown below indicate the date of the reported event. California (1) Sacramento, Ca. - 3/10/11 - 'missing time' Oregon (2)Eugene, Or. - 9/6/10 - CE-4 Abduction Sherwood, Or. 7/17/2009 CE-3 Entity Washington (1)Seattle, Wa. - 2/1/2011 - CE-4 Abduction Idaho (1)St. Maries, Id. - 4/25/2010 - CE-4 Abduction, history of activity Arizona (3)Kingman, Az. - 3/11/2009 - CE-4 'missing time'. Prescott Valley, Az. - 2/15/ 2009 - CE-4, 'missing time'. Objects observed. Peoria, Az. - 2/17/2009 - CE-4 - Large object observed 'missing time'. Colorado (1)Pueblo, Co. - 6/5/2010 - CE-4 'contact & Abduction' Texas (3)Marathon, Tx. - 4/22/2009 - CE-4 - Abduction, entity, white light, 2 witnesses (object collision with car reported) Houston, Tx. - 3/2/2009 - CE-4 'missing time' Houston, Tx. - 10/26/2009 - CE-4 'Abduction' Nebraska (1)Lincoln, Ne. - 11/26/2010 - Surrounded by multiple objects of various shapes - 'missing time'. Missouri (1)Windsor, Mo. - 7/17/2010 - CE-3 Entity Iowa (1)Kanawha, Ia. - 4/23/2011 - CE-4 History of abductions reported. Wisconsin (1)Rib Lake, Wi. - 9/27/2010 - CE-4 History of abductions reported Indiana (1)Brownsburg, In. - 3/30/2009 - CE-4 'Missing time', History of abductions reported *Kentucky (2)Lawrenceburg, Ky. - 4/26/2011 - CE-4 - 5 witnesses - surrounded by mult. objects various shapes - 'missing time'. History of events. Ashland, Ky. - 5/26/ 2011 - CE-4, 2 witnesses. Tennessee (4)Knoxville, Tn. - 3/3/2009 - CE-4 - Pulsating light, History of abductions. Kingsport, Tn. - 12/15/2009 - CE-4 - implant reported Knoxville, Tn. - 2/10/2010 - CE-4, History of abductions reported *Knoxville, Tn. - 5/19/2010 - CE-4 - first a dream, then later contact. Injuries reported. Georgia (1)Helen, Ga., 8/30/2009 - CE-3 - Entities sighted in Unicoi State Park. Michigan (2)Marlette, Mi. - 5/14/2009 - CE-4 Rochester Hills, Mi. - 6/12/2011 - CE-4 - 2 witnesses Florida (2)Hollywood, Fl. - 9/8/2009 - CE-4 - 'missing time' Cedar Key, Fl. - 1/1/2011 - CE-4 - Blinding egg shape reported - 'missing time'. Pennsylvania (1)Holidaysburg, Pa. - 8/6/2010 - CE-4 - Bright light, 'Missing time'. New York (1)Huntington Station, Ny. - 10/26/2010 - CE-4 - 'visitation'. Maine (1)Waterville, Me. - 1/7/2011 - CE-4 - Possible alien abduction reported. ' *' - signifies witnesses are blood relatives in separate experiences. Steve
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Post by skywalker on Mar 11, 2012 8:21:11 GMT -6
That's not very many reports over a three year period. I'm sure there are probably a lot of reasons why there are so few, one of the main ones being there is not really any place to report abductions or entities to. MUFON, NUFORC, and the rest of the UFO organizations only deal with UFOs. There is no Alien Abduction Reporting Network that gathers reports like these.
Also the difficulty many people have in recognizing an abduction for what it is, or admitting that it is what it is might have something to do with it. The ridicule factor is definitely there. People don't like to be criticized and made fun of just because something weird happened to them. It isn't their fault so why should they be punished?
I would be willing to bet that those are just a tiny fraction of the actual number of abductions and entity sightings that are occurring. There could easily be a hundred times that many that just never get reported.
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Post by Steve on Mar 11, 2012 9:26:36 GMT -6
The concept of creating a alien abduction map is more challenging then many may first think. You Sky & I have touched on much of why a CE-4 map is difficult to do, and more create one that many can have confidence in that might be remotely accurate.
Many of the case reports listed here are from a organization we are familiar with. So we are talking really only 30 reports since Jan.1, 2009 to present. Some in the experiencer community for whatever - or various reasons - don't always report abduction cases to that organization. I have been impressed with a few of the cases they have investigated - but many get poor marks - some are shrugged off as 'incomplete data'. If the witness does not respond back verifying their report in the first place - what is an investigator to do? Most abduction cases that show some credibility - and there are a number of them - would be based on someone's own subjective expectation level of credibility too. Most headway in any abduction investigation seems to be by the standard tool of the therapist - regressive hypnosis in a therapists office.
Another is perhaps facing that possibility there may not be as many CE-4 reports as popularly expected? Not enough data to know. In reality only 1 out of every 100 UFO reports?
Client/provider confidentiality usually prevents any central data gathering collection to post any map. And how could any central collection point ever be sure any system of establishing a level of credibility is followed consistently? That would require knowing intimate case details an individual therapist would likely only have access to.
Maybe we could start a Internet website for therapists. If they determined they had a claim of alien abduction - regardless of their own views - perhaps they could submit a report (based on the therapist assessment) recording simply a time and location, and a few general specifics without the central collection point ever knowing personal contact information?
Also it is rare for CE-4 cases to be reported immediately. Most who would make a report are not sure what may have happened to them to commit to a report so quickly in the first place. They doubt their own sanity, and once past that - who would they report it to?
Budd Hopkins received thousands of letters from people claiming to have been abducted. He had to go to a lot of trouble to filter through many of these.
See the problems? It is a challenging problem to get a grasp of.
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Post by paulette on Mar 11, 2012 9:38:17 GMT -6
Thanks Steve. This is interesting data.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 11, 2012 11:05:40 GMT -6
That's not a bad idea. Maybe we could create some type of a website to collect abduction reports. I don't think there is one anywhere on the internet. I've been trying to think of something else we could add on to our new TEOR website (if I ever get off my lazy behind and finish working on it ) so maybe that could be it. Hmm...I'll have to think about that some more.
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