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Post by Steve on Aug 25, 2011 21:49:42 GMT -6
Reviewing my past correspondence with other abduction investigator/researchers, I found these which I think you might find of interest.
"My personal opinion regarding abduction investigations is as follows:
1. There is a plethora of individuals who suspect that they might have been abducted while sleeping. We don't have the manpower to investigate these cases. I am opposed to the idea of using hypnosis or even investigating these cases. I think we should investigate only cases where suspected abductees see a UFO, are awake, experience missing time and have physical evidence that something happened.
Or individuals who have a bed partner and wake up locked outside their homes with memories of an encounter. Several self-reported abductees with no evidence, except lights in their bedrooms, have requested hypnosis by me. They all stated that they wanted to write a book about their experiences. I gently refused. Most of these individuals have psychiatric case histories.
2. I think that we should look specifically for physical evidence. It should be photographed, collected and sent to Phyllis Budinger or someone of her caliber for laboratory analysis.
3. We should hypnotize only those who were abducted with someone else, and then separately with amnesia suggested by the hypnotist. Their testimony should be evaluated for correlating data.
4. Abductees should be willing to take a battery of psychometric screenings or undergo a psychiatric evaluation. In the event that funding makes this impossible, the MMPI would do.
5. I know that there is much controversy about lie detector tests, but I think that those who claim abduction should be willing to take a lie detector test.
6. We should place security cameras in suspected abductees homes, or ask them to do so if they are interested in attempting to capture photographic evidence on tape. Stan Romanek certainly has collected a lot of evidence.
7. We should look for additional witnesses.
8. We should attempt to find radar reports of an uncorrelated target in the vicinity of the reported abduction.
I realize that this is a very nuts and bolts approach to abduction investigation, but in my opinion, we are in the business of searching for evidence. We are not psychologists offering free advice or free hypnosis. I think that too many so called investigations only give support to possible fantasy prone individuals.
Very best regards,
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I tend to agree, extraordinary claims require extraordinary investigations, hopefully proof.
I was reflecting on this, because I had recently been contacted by someone who thought they had been abducted. Listening to them, at face value, there seemed to be little that indicated anything more that just what they described. A UFO sighting, and a separate vivid dream two weeks later. I referred this person to another, hopefully they will see more than I was able to see. Or did I see all there was to see already? Questioning myself, that is why I passed them on to another who could perhaps help.
The correspondence refers to the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) is one of the most frequently used personality tests in mental health.
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Post by skywalker on Aug 26, 2011 10:44:53 GMT -6
I think it would be natural for somebody to have a UFO-related dream after having a UFO sighting. That doesn't mean the person was abducted though, especially if the dream happened two weeks later.
I have to disagree with the assertion that people who have abduction experiences while they are asleep should not be investigated. My first experience happened while I was asleep, although I woke up right at the beginning of it. Does that mean that it didn't happen? What about the fact that my best friend also had the exact same experience that same night, while he was asleep also. Does that mean it didn't happen either?
I don't think that abduction reports should be automatically dismissed just because they don't happen at a certain time or place or fit into a certain set of guidelines. Each case needs to be looked at on an individual basis. The experience I had would have been summarily dismissed by most investigators who would not even have taken the time to look into it, instead just proclaiming it to be sleep paralysis or a dream or whatever.
Since nobody else was interested I was forced to investigate it myself and as a result I have managed to turn up some interesting things. For instance, I discovered that there were several UFO sightings that took place in Lubbock right around the same night I had the experience. I found out that the nightmares and psychic abilities that I have all started the same time as that experience. And I have read other reports by other abductees who describe similar things that I remember from my encounter even though those details had never been made public before.
All of this leads me to believe that something did happen and it was not sleep paralysis or any other such idiotic explanation. By refusing to investigate cases such as the one I had investigators are passing over a huge amount of potential data. If we are ever going to solve the abduction enigma we need to look at all of the clues, not just some of them. I realize that one investigator can not follow up on every case that comes along, and a lot of them probably will be a waste of time, but sitting around waiting for a UFO to land in the back yard isn't going to solve anything either. It would be nice if one would but until then we need to make better use of the evidence that is available.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2011 13:42:14 GMT -6
Skywalker, I agree to a certain extent... but you see I can see this from both perspectives.
The encounter I remember happened while I was "asleep" too... or at least after I was awakened from sleep.
I agree that just because an encounter happened at that time doesn't mean that a night-time/sleep-time encounter did NOT take place... but it will be really really hard to prove for an investigator. It will also be really really hard to establish yourself as a serious researcher if you go after the hard to prove cases. Nobody will take you seriously. This is an important factor unfortunately.
You have got to remember, those insolent skeptics will be screaming "SLEEP PARALYSIS!" at the top of their lungs and laughing like fools. Unfortunately, a lot of these encounters probably ARE sleep paralysis... although I don't think mine was because it was far different from any other episode of sleep paralysis I have ever had... and it happened BEFORE I started having sleep paralysis frequently from my teens to mid twenties.
If only we had some evidence sky... then it would be a different story... at least you had a witnesses even though he probably won't tell anyone what happened to him... at least that proves to you that it really happened. Me, I just know it was real... mostly from what I've read on here and from what I've read on the internet about the behavior of the Grays.... the fact that everyone says they like to get up right in your face and stare at you like the one did to me... The fact that they can control your mind and your memories... I know it really happened and I know it was real.
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Post by Steve on Aug 26, 2011 17:01:16 GMT -6
This unnamed person's criteria (only so because I do not have permission to use they're name yet) is argueably a bit too confining. Also if you knew this person's background, it would be more understandable why they are this way. It is based on their experience in such investigations on a prototype case they have formed these standards. They're conditions are almost idealic, As much as it is desired, in the field, is not always so. I have had abduction cases that have both met and not met this persons criteria. Knowing who this person is, I will also share they would definately agree with you about 'sleep paralysis'. Your experience Sky is rather unique, and perhaps is closer to that investigators list than you might think. You awoke at the beginning of your experience, so you have conscious memories. Also your friend had the same experiences at the same location that same night. I wanted to throw this out because I knew someone would respond as you both did. Any others? Thanks. Steve
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2011 17:22:17 GMT -6
About the 'sleep paralysis'..neither my friend or I could move..we were not restrained by any visible means but we were as 'one' with the surface we laid on. I'm pretty sure it wasn't sleep paralysis. I'm pretty sure it's a very skilled mental trick and they're quite comfortable with a whole bunch of those. You might have been in a 'twilight' sleep and your mind (unable to explain away the goings on) told you you were dreaming and we all know what odd things go on in dreams...so it would be more allowable if you were dreaming. Since mine was during the day..it's a bit harder for the brain to cop out and call it a dream..instead it ducked the issue for years. I'm having some odd issues with this stuff only recently.
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Post by skywalker on Aug 26, 2011 18:13:43 GMT -6
I agree that each investigator probably should seek out the best cases they can find. After all, they can only investigate so many and there is no use wasting time on a bunch of deadends and nonsense. But what if one of those seemingly deadend cases holds the proof that we are all looking for and we just haven't found it because nobody has ever taken it seriously? Considering the lack of progress ufology has made over the past six decades it may be time to start reevaluating the way we think about some of those "worthless" cases.
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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2011 3:11:06 GMT -6
There were two UFO reports of the same two triangle objects on August 21, 2011 (8:34 PM Pacific time) near where I live. Four witnesses, two at each location in Brentwood, and Discovery Bay, California at nearly the same time, just 2 minutes apart. Two witnesses reported the objects directly due North. The other two witnesses seeing the same objects to the Northeast. Mapping the area, by triangulation, the objects may have been 7 to 8 miles distant from witnesses, or if seen at two sequential times close together, the objects alternate flight path could have brought them as close as 5 miles distant. Using trigonometry based on the witnesses describing the objects the size of half a hand in width at arms length, the objects (two possible triangle shapes) could each have been 700 feet across. All four witnesses, each from their separate locations each described the same color lights, in similar patterns. Each witness separately described the objects becoming invisible after each observing the objects for 2 to 3 minutes. This information was confidentially given to me by an anonymous Mufon FI, who requested my assistance in analysis. Steve
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 12:31:29 GMT -6
I do not know if there is any collation here or not but I'll add it anyway. My husband used to drive truck between our home here in Ramona and Phoenix Arizona 4 times a week. The route is across a lot of desolate dessert and some beautiful sky watching because there are no lights to dim anything. There was a canyon that was about a 1/4 of the way where he'd pull over to stretch his legs. Looking up he was astounded thinking he'd seen a whole herd of UFO's (3)..huge triangular shapes well lit (from his description almost identical to those above) and passing about 2000-3000 feet over head...and absolutely silent. About that time the lights went out and it looked like they just disappeared but after his eyes adjusted he could still see the vague outline of them. He really was excited but after seeing them again on another trip he came to realize that someone (probably area 51 not too far away) was testing the stealth planes (which were fairly new at the time). I'm not saying that is what those lights are but maybe they didn't disappear..just turned out the lights. ~shrug~
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 12:44:24 GMT -6
The one I saw was at daytime, does it get dark there at 8:34 p.m. this time of year ? That's a good possibility Jo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 14:59:28 GMT -6
Wow... spooky.
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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2011 15:06:56 GMT -6
The light conditions here at 8:35PM (20:35 hours) Pacific time is very close to dark, but a little dusk still. I think about conventional explanations first too Jo. Nice you are too. To the northwest of the map location is Travis AFB, a major military air transport hub. The area where the lights appeared would be in the general landing approach pattern circling in to land - usually C-17's and C-5's. But the traffic pattern is not continuous. The air traffic travels in it's pattern the same direction as the objects may have.
To the east nearby is Galt, Lodi, Walnut Grove, were I have had a number of large triangle reports. One report in 2005 followed a couples car home, and was seen approaching by their grandchildren, who ran inside afraid. Another in Galt, early in the morning a triangle shape was hovering over the road, and the witness drove underneath it and stopped to look at it. It seemed to cloak itself before his eyes he reported. The witness said he panicked and drove off, then returned to retrace his steps.
The local witnesses in this latest case were familiar with the area, and reported the objects were not the usual aircraft seen. That was why they got excited enough to report it. Weather was warm, clear. One witness even called 911. I wonder what they saw?
Steve
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Post by lois on Sept 3, 2011 19:32:01 GMT -6
Here in Illinois it is pitch black and we are now 8:32
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Post by lois on Sept 3, 2011 19:36:41 GMT -6
It shows I posted this at 7:32, Im still and hour off, just like the cartoon Stiver made of me. We are not 7:32.. I don't understand what is wrong with the application . Sky you filled it out. It should be right this time on this forum but it is still showing an hour difference.. Any way we been dark for 20 minutes almost.. What I call dark anyway.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 3, 2011 19:48:03 GMT -6
It's because of daylight savings time. Whenever daylight savings time comes and we set the clocks forward the time changes on the clock but we are still registered under the old time on the forum. To make it correct I would have to go in and modify your profile which I can't do right now because I have a crappy computer connection. If you want me to fix it I can do it tomorrow, or you could just wait until we set the clocks back again this fall and then it will be correct. I just left mine the way it was so I am an hour behind also.
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Post by lois on Sept 3, 2011 19:58:44 GMT -6
Sky it is ok .. leave it as it is.. I always stay up late and when 12:01 comes my post are not for today but stay as yesterday. It is a little confusing, I read Steve's post but they do not show up as today and they should.. ;D ;D.. I sometimes stay up longer as I think it is a hour earlier..
Wow.. 1:00 is too late for me to be going to bed ;D ;D
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Post by lois on Sept 3, 2011 20:04:37 GMT -6
Steve .. Sorry! on August 21 we would of been light at this time..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 20:23:21 GMT -6
It shows I posted this at 7:32, Im still and hour off, just like the cartoon Stiver made of me. We are not 7:32.. I don't understand what is wrong with the application . Sky you filled it out. It should be right this time on this forum but it is still showing an hour difference.. Any way we been dark for 20 minutes almost.. What I call dark anyway. Lois, I had that problem when I first joined this forum. It showed the date and time as an hour different. There's a little box you check on your profile that says does your location/region observe daylight savings time or something like that. If you check it... it's an hour off. If you uncheck it, it's the right time... it's really weird... The daylight savings calculator is wrong I think. I haven't had any problems with it since I unchecked the box. Trust me, it's not just you Lois. ~hugs~
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Post by lois on Sept 3, 2011 23:23:55 GMT -6
Yes I know about that lorelei, may go check it out my self.. When they asked me the time they had about four options to pick from. I did not know which I fell under it was a guess I made, but that was on the other forum. sky did it here for me.. thanks for reminding me. I told sky he could keep it as it as our time will be changing too soon for me . It means winter will be around the corner. Nice weather seems so short of time and winter drags on forever..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 23:25:04 GMT -6
Yes I know about that lorelei, may go check it out my self.. When they asked me the time they had about four options to pick from. I did not know which I fell under it was a guess I made, but that was on the other forum. sky did it here for me.. thanks for reminding me. I told sky he could keep it as it as our time will be changing too soon for me . It means winter will be around the corner. Nice weather seems so short of time and winter drags on forever.. Tell me about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 1:21:22 GMT -6
If they had a chance to see it before it got very dark that eliminates a lot of 'common' explanations.
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Post by lois on Sept 4, 2011 12:13:27 GMT -6
If they had a chance to see it before it got very dark that eliminates a lot of 'common' explanations. Right .. I agree with you Jo
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Post by skywalker on Sept 5, 2011 16:33:23 GMT -6
inceptionradionetwork.com/listen-live/epicvoyagers.com/I will be a guest on Inception Radio (part of E.P.I.C. Voyagers - Chase Kloetzke 'White Paper' Program hosted that night by EPIC Washington State Director James Clarkson our friend 'Chase' Kloetzke) talking about Alien Abduction cases. Monday, September 5, 2011 (Labor Day) at 7 PM, (Pacific). One hour Interview, second hour Q&A. Steve Don't forget to listen to Steve on the radio tonight!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 23:36:01 GMT -6
That case you was describing tonight involving the couple camping in the sierra's was very interesting, and Im sure for them it was a life changing event. Do you know if they ever went back to the location,,, or if they sold their claim,,,? I know I wouldnt go back if Id found 20 pound nuggets before,,,no way !!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 1:37:12 GMT -6
Steve is Da Bomb. ~smirk~
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Post by Steve on Sept 6, 2011 1:37:45 GMT -6
That case you was describing tonight involving the couple camping in the sierra's was very interesting, and Im sure for them it was a life changing event. Do you know if they ever went back to the location,,, or if they sold their claim,,,? I know I wouldnt go back if Id found 20 pound nuggets before,,,no way !! No, they said they will never return. The exact location where they camped was never revealed to us either. We do have maps showing a very close location. The reason being the witnesses never wish to reveal the location of their claim. In this case, the claim location was really inconsequential to the investigators. It more important to earn their trust. Also, we felt based on their testimony, no physical evidence would likely have survived in the 9 months between the event and when we got word of it. Assuming there was any in the first place. I did want to examine the roof of the tent though, that never happened. The husband wanted to return on the first anniversary of the event, and camp in the same location to possibly confront (he thought) whatever they had faced heavily armed. They even thought I should go with them. I said no way! I like the outdoors, but not like that camping with some frightened armed strangers in the middle of no where. And we haven't even considered the alien part yet. We talked them out of it, and his wife was insistent they never return. She had been very frightened. I think she will still be traumatized to some extent always. Him too. There is this urge to go back and retrace the events, Betty and Barney Hill did, but in this case, it would serve no real useful purpose. I was more concerned for their safety, whether they were both very experienced living in the wilderness or not. A year later, he sold his claim, and purchased another near where they live now, in another undisclosed state. They still feel grateful for having their memory blocks removed, than to be haunted by flashbacks. At least now the memories follow a clear chain of understanding they would rather face knowing what it is. That is the sort of people they are. Steve
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Post by skywalker on Sept 6, 2011 22:36:15 GMT -6
I finally got to listen to Steve on the radio. It was very interesting. Are there any updates on the case that was being discussed? I think you said that you passed it off to a different investigator...is that correct? Have they found out anything new?
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Post by Steve on Sept 6, 2011 23:41:14 GMT -6
The case originally came into the Mufon CMS, assigned to my state area as a Chief investigator. This was only eluded to in the radio broadcast. Being the host and I are now part of EPIC, we were requested not to mention Mufon. The case was assigned to Dr. Lipson MD, a friend of mine and a Field investigator. Reviewing the case as I did with all incoming reports back then, I assigned the case to Lipson knowing there was a possible missing time element to the story, and knew how some in mufon had incredibly denied him a chance at a possible abduction case. He was actually MORE qualified.
After investigating conducting the initial interviews, Lipson was excited and requested I assist him in the investigation. I knew a very capable hypnotherapist, the timing could not have been better, and we joined forces. A field Investigator, a medical physician, and a certified hypnotheripist. Our 'group with no name' was born.
At the time I was also secretly on my own beginning to become aware of strange internal policies being made in Mufon. Including the beginning of noticing cases of higher strangeness disappearing from the case management system. I had long ago noticed this from doing a monthly accounting producing my monthly UFO maps. We made copies of the assigned cms report, and to protect the witness identities, deleted any contact information in the report.
Not to my surprise, one day I noticed in the CMS this abduction case now had disappeared from the CMS too! It is still missing. Several investigators, including Chase, have removed witness contact information for similar reasons...before and since.... knowing such info was not secure. The fact that case later disappeared confirmed my suspicions.
But we have the original data, and whoever deleted the case in Mufon - we had preempted by deleting the witness contact information, anticipating it's disappearance. This has never been revealed before.
Mufon compromised - I wanted to be sure our witnesses would be protected and not possibly interfered with. I know others in other states who had the same thing happen. I also knew the one in Mufon supposedly refered as their 'abduction consultant'. I did not trust him from past dealings, and by deleting the contact info, it assured our witnesses were not going to appear on some secret government abductee address list.
Mufon cannot say witness data was deleted to a case Mufon acknowledges never existed - one they themselves deleted.
In the post above with Cliff's question, I have answered much of the post log to the case.
The latest correspondence with the witnesses reports they have not had anymore unusual experiences up to this time.
Steve
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Post by Steve on Sept 14, 2011 14:24:00 GMT -6
Got this note last night from the EPIC managemant. "I have just received word that last night's show with Jim Marrs and Richard Hoagland was through the roof! Triple the standard #1 ratings we have enjoyed for weeks. For those that don't know, Inception Radio Network is the largest UFO/Paranormal Network in the world and has also been #1 and #2 rated for months. This puts us, as a network, in direct competition with Coast to Coast! I have personally seen the ratings screen showing prominently, IRN over this icon station! This of course has a lot to do with our Team at EPIC and the absolute talent provided! James, your show with Steve Reichmuth was huge and #1! Lena, you and Michael shot it over the fence! Another number 1 show! Jim....what can I say, we knew you would be huge but triple the ratings of Future Theater? {This is Bill and Nancy Birnes show!} Of course....#1!!!! This is an important avenue for us as a growing organization. We continue to build a positive and prominent platform to inform the public with truth and the important trends in all of our fields. If I may be so bold.... How does it feel to beat Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Dennis Miller and also as often as not....C2C? ". I guess our series of programs were a top rated radio hit. Steve
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 18:29:29 GMT -6
;D ;D ;D
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Post by Steve on Nov 16, 2011 20:13:50 GMT -6
Have to ask you here a favor. Have any of you ever seen a symbol like this before? It is associated with an abduction case among others I am working on. It was noticed by the client after several possible encounters. Possibly an abduction took place. Their memories seem to suggest that. Cannot share more at present. The symbol is on the outside of this person's bedroom door. Facing the home's entry area and the front door, It seems to have been etched into the door's surface. It is positioned in the center of the door. Is 4.5 inches high by 2.5 inches wide, the bottom of the symbol is 54.25 inches from the floor. Seen anything like this by your knowledge or related in anyway to your experiences? Steve
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