Dr. John Mack MD

[paulette]

jcurio - wouldn't THAT be amazing! If one could tell the story and the brain scan would show - what? What they saw? What they thought they saw? Could one "pull up a visual" and lie? I'm pretty sure that the capacity for abuse of such a device would overshadow any benefits. Perhaps someone who had been the victim of a horrible crime? But then, a fair few people here believe they were the victim of a horrible crime - forceable abduction and physical and sometimes sexual abuse - or abusive tests.

This is the acid test for me - noone here is being paid to talk or remember. No books (that I know of). No movies no interviews. Maybe Steve will manage something ghost writing Hans. But in spite of that, we keep talking. It could be that I don't have anything better to talk about. But in truth, I talk to lots of people about lots of things. I think and type fast. But this is the puzzle that people can't seem to let go of.

The only equivilant that I know of is people telling war stories. I think its for the same reason. No one but people who were there, could believe what actually happens in war. What is done to one and is done by one. I once asked my Vet Viet lover if he had killed women and children. He just looked at me. "You REALLY don't want to know the answer to that." I said I did.

In truth he was right. I never thought of him the same way. He knew it would happen. People who don't believe that others (or even themselves) have had visitations or seen weird things in sky up close just don't get it. We got it and can't get rid of it. But hey! I like you guys. You're good company. I appreciate the cup of coffee Lorelei poured for me the other day. I don't feel like a crazy liar here. Or just maybe crazy.

Believe me, that's helpful.

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"But in truth, I talk to lots of people about lots of things. I think and type fast. But this is the puzzle that people can't seem to let go of. "

And something that is hard to share with their children. The only atrocity my dad shared with me (from the war) was watching a friend walk into a plane propellar after moving a block from a wheel. I didn't get a visual until an Indiana jones movie . But then again, my dad won't speak about his parents, either. They died before I was born.

Anyway, I wonder who our children will have to talk to? Will they get to talk?

I like you guys, also. Who else can I tell that tonight my daughter and I are supposed to take notes (planned) about all the noises we hear? Our rooms are on the front of the house; my other daughter (room towards the back) understands some.

Awwww. When it starts getting cooler I have no excuse to run my noisy window airconditioner unit. Maybe that's why I start feeling more unease in the Fall

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"tonight my daughter and I are supposed to take notes (planned) about all the noises we hear"

and of course I did what I should be doing. Checked my cell phone (alarm), put my head on the pillow, and what seems like 5 minutes later turned my alarm off and went and got some coffee .

(note: the window airconditioner unit is also a correction to other posts of mine. I have stated that I used to sleep with minimal electrical devices in my bedroom. I forgot to mention the ceiling fan and window unit).

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I saw that clip about the 'brain' JC...remarkable stride forward toward what Steve was talking about? Maybe so.

I too wouldn't like to go back to 'not' discussing things..at least not here on the forum but I am anonymous here. I mean..I'm known..but you wouldn't know me on the street

I don't share it outside of the forum any more..other than with my family and they have never wanted to know details. They believe it..but maybe because they can see the look on my face..they don't dig. There are some things you're just not comfortable sharing with your kids. They are perfectly comfortable with my psychic self..they grew up with it and have skills of their own but they aren't comfortable with the abduction. Anger, confusion and fear are the emotions I see. They're used to a strong mom who makes problems melt away and, when provoked, has a wicked protection streak. Hard for them to understand me that vulnerable. Hard for me to see me that vulnerable and I suppose that's why I get stuck on the legal and moral thing.
We cannot control them...they break our laws (kidnapping is highly frowned upon here) and morally speaking they have no regard for our person or our laws. To me...that is a big issue.
I see others stuck on wow..visitors from other planets..coming to communicate with us and maybe cure our ailments or even death and then I'm the one confused..aren't they reading witness reports? The ones that mention the trauma and fear of an encounter? They can think only in the terms they were raised by and so must these strangers? How can we think so far out of the box we were hatched in...the answer is..that's what causes the trauma and fear because we can't.
If you think for a moment..you've been abducted or have had an encounter...please try to bring it out of your subconscious so you can deal with it. Even self hypnosis can help but don't leave it stuck in there to fester and do it's damage. Talk about it and don't stop talking about it.

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~hugz jo~

I too wouldn't like to go back to 'not' discussing things..at least not here on the forum but I am anonymous here. I mean..I'm known..but you wouldn't know me on the street.

~nods in agreement to your entire post~

It really is outside everyone's comfort zone. It's so strange and frightening nobody wants to think about it. I shouldn't think about it either. I think I'd be a lot happier and healthier if I went back to not worrying about it like I did for years...

That's the only reason why I miss my ex fiance, I was thinking about him again last night. He made me feel safe at night. I wasn't alone and he was a light sleeper... whenever I would get out of bed during one of my sleepwalking episodes he would wake up and follow me to make sure I didn't hurt myself- then would give me a full report the next morning.

We lived in an apartment complex surrounded by dozens of other people. I felt so much safer there than I do here... although he did get really grumpy about the nightlight I insisted on having... and the separate blanket so I could wrap myself up like a mummy so unseen hands couldn't grab my hands and feet without waking me up...

If he woke up and saw me on my back, he would roll me over because I told him about the nightmares I had on my back... the sleep paralysis. He was a good man... but... he decided he was going to start hitting me, and wanted to control my life (told me I wasn't allowed to watch Fox News anymore, wouldn't let me go see Sarah Palin give a speech and wouldn't take me to go register to vote etc.). ~sigh~

All because of politics. All because of that stoopid election. All because of the stoopid media.

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I kinda think politics should be abolished..too much hassle..too many fights..too much greed and corruption. No one can agree on anyone..no matter who is elected half of the people will be miserable or in the case of the current president..more than half and no matter who it is..he's not the one running the country anyway..it's the hidden groups that pull the strings on all the puppets. I'm so sorry about the loss of your fiance. Politics not the issue..hitting you definitely was..that never gets better Should have turned him into a frog
Believe it or not..saying what I feel about the abduction situation helps me to resolve the baggage I tote around from it. It doesn't make me feel less a victim but on some level I feel that if you don't speak up and say what you feel you're just another part of the problem. If you're not part of a solution you're part of a problem. If one thing I've ever said..helps one person ..then ok..being a nut case was worth it ;D

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That's a good perspective to have Jo. "If you're not part of a solution, you're part of a problem." I like that.

It is very healing to share your thoughts and feelings with others. It still does not resolve my anxiety however... because when I log off this computer and go to bed at night in the dark I know that I am not safe... not now, and not ever.

Maybe after menopause as may experiences have related on here... Maybe then I will be able to rest in peace at night without having to dope myself up on over the counter sleep aids, alcohol, or prescription medications...

Or... maybe if I just don't worry about it like I did before... lol. Seems so simple. I don' remember how I was able to delude myself into believing it was just bad dreams and my imagination... especially after the incident when the television turned itself on and started displaying weird symbols across the screen while I was WIDE AWAKE! To prove that it wasn't just my imagination or a bad lucid dream, the TV continued to turn itself on and off for days after the incident so we had to purchase a new one. They did something to that TV. I know it was them... but I can't prove it.

[Steve]

Your not disagreeing with me JCurio, but if that was the case that would be perfectly fine too. I really think we should talk about these cases and stories. I was only thinking about the experiencers if what they hear could give them false hopes. If they are fine with that, lets talk about it.

I think it is more important in the meantime in to have a environment here where one can feel comfortable discussing these things, because it helps experiencers get what maybe festering within them out so they can look at it, express it, others can benefit from it. There not alone in dealing with it. We are here, whether we realize it or not - are a support group for one another. That's why we reacted so strongly to the toxic persons in the other forum, for which we happily created this forum.

I shared with a relative at a funeral luncheon about my advocation here. They seemed fascinated. Now they are flying back home, and I wonder how they must see me - in a different light? Her poor niece - her husband has lost it? I watched them walk away getting into their car after saying goodbye, the look in their eyes. Is it their view of me has changed? Or their paradigm about what reality might be has? What ever it is, I had positive vibs.

Steve

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I don't have fear like I used to have. A very great deal of annoyance especially right now when I'm convinced they're messing around again or..they've 'turned on' something that was dormant. I am not afraid of them..if they wanted me dead I'd not be typing this but I need to know what they're up to and why ..

[Steve]

Waiting for the latest Han session transcription for posting. Han does comment about abductees 'being tracked' Paulette and gives a basic description how implants work. A method where radio signals are not used, since humans if they ever bothered to investigate could detect & track too. They track by a organic method humans have the inability to use yet naturally.

Steve

[paulette]

Thanks Steve - I wondered when the next installment was coming. I had decided that whether Hans weighed in as confirming or not I wouldn't take it as an absolute. Because I don't take the Han phenomenon as an absolute. But hearing that such things exist is interesting. I guess the next question is, do the evolved caring types use this means of keeping track of their subjects - or the other ones?

[paulette]

"He was a good man... but... he decided he was going to start hitting me, and wanted to control my life (told me I wasn't allowed to watch Fox News anymore, wouldn't let me go see Sarah Palin give a speech and wouldn't take me to go register to vote etc.). ~sigh~"

Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=abductions&thread=89&page=2#15406#ixzz1ZONyl1Ld

Oh Lorelei. Good men don't insist on controlling their partners - or hitting them. I'm glad you are not feeling "safe" with this guy as a protector. There are many fish in the sea and you are smart and interesting. Put a new order in...

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~hugz paulette~

Thanks honey... it's hard for an Amazon like me to find a man who isn't intimidated by my size however. Still working on it though, just got off the telephone actually with eligible bachelor number two who is six feet ten inches tall ;D.

Not too sure about this one though... he seems to think I'm after his money. I'm not. I'm after him because he's bigger than me hehehehehe... does that make me shallow? Yes it does, but that's OK. ;D

[paulette]

Apparently when Japanese matchmakers put a couple together there is really only one serious thing to consider - relative hight. If the woman is at least 3 inches shorter, its a go.

Interestingly, their stats on marriages lasting are better than the North American ones.

You find out later who you've got and if you want to move forward with them. Sexual attraction isn't reliable either - it can fade or get activated by the neighbor.

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Sept 29, 2011 23:41:30 GMT -6 paulette said:

Sexual attraction isn't reliable either - it can fade or get activated by the neighbor.

;D

...or the milk man... ~giggle~

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I finally told my kids about the "visit" a few weeks ago, I figured at their age they were ready to hear and talk about it. My daughter was a bit frightened but took it better than Id expected. I also told my best friend of over 20 years a few days ago and he knows me enough to know Id never lie about something like this. He even told me about a local doctor and investigator/researcher to contact nearby but Im not sure if I will. I feel it is important as well to talk about this so that it doesnt fester, like Jo said . It takes quite a weight off when you can talk with people who can relate, especially here .

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Sept 30, 2011 16:58:08 GMT -6 @touched said:

I finally told my kids about the "visit" a few weeks ago, I figured at their age they were ready to hear and talk about it. My daughter was a bit frightened but took it better than Id expected. I also told my best friend of over 20 years a few days ago and he knows me enough to know Id never lie about something like this. He even told me about a local doctor and investigator/researcher to contact nearby but Im not sure if I will. I feel it is important as well to talk about this so that it doesnt fester, like Jo said . It takes quite a weight off when you can talk with people who can relate, especially here .

That's wonderful Cliff!

I'm glad the kids took it OK...

[auntym]

JOHN MACK ON OPRAH


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Uploaded by TheManInTheDarkness on Nov 14, 2010


This is an appearance by the late Pulitzer Prize winning Harvard Psychiatrist
Dr John Mack on Oprah Winfrey's chat show from the 90's.
They are discussing the topic of Alien Abduction along with experiencers of the phenomenon.

[skywalker]

The abductees in this video did not look like a bunch of delusional lunatics to me. I didn't see a single tinfoil hat on any of them. I was looking very closely too. The only person who sounded crazy was the skeptic.

[paulette]

Touched - seeing these well functioning people - money to take off work, have a nice outfit, be articulate while being interviewed by Oprah - talking openly does make space for the self doubters, I'll-never-tell-anyoners, etc etc. It may not "prove" visitation or abduction but it does disprove extreme personality disorders or frank mental illness. By the way, although many tests exist to profile someone who might do something anti-social or withdraw from others due to extraordinary fears, and polygraph tests, none of these can exclude the sociopathic liar or criminal. But sociopaths seldom remain in activities that don't pay off big in money or fame. Even being on Oprah isn't enough of a pay-off to justify the likelihood of losing a job or career or never getting into one in the first place because of such a report. And for those of us here - no Oprah, no book, no speaking tour....only company and a place to talk about this stuff.

[ufo4peace]

Sept 27, 2011 23:58:24 GMT -6 Steve said:

I really hope someday a machine will be available that can read dreams & memories so we can really see and understand what experiancers are describing & where it is coming from.

Steve

Eye movements reveal processing of hidden memories:
Source: www.newscientist.com/article/dn17762-brain-can-access-forgotten-memories.html

"You can tell a lot about a person from their eyes, and now that seems to extend to memories hidden deep in the brain. By relating subtle eye movements to activity in the brain, researchers in California have shown that a structure called the hippocampus can retrieve memories of past events or experiences – even when people have no conscious recollection of them. The hippocampus is a structure near the base of the brain in a region called the medial temporal lobe. It has long been known to be involved in conscious recollection, but its role in encoding latent memories."

Scientists extract images directly from brain

"The research also hints that scientists might one day be able to access dreams, memories and imagery, says Haynes, providing the brain processes dreams in a way that is analogous to visual stimuli."

[ufo4peace]

Sept 29, 2011 15:17:42 GMT -6 Steve said:

I shared with a relative at a funeral luncheon about my advocation here. They seemed fascinated. Now they are flying back home, and I wonder how they must see me - in a different light? Her poor niece - her husband has lost it? I watched them walk away getting into their car after saying goodbye, the look in their eyes. Is it their view of me has changed? Or their paradigm about what reality might be has? What ever it is, I had positive vibs.

Steve

They probably think you are a weirdo.

[ufo4peace]

Sept 29, 2011 11:14:27 GMT -6 @leia77 said:

That's the only reason why I miss my ex fiance, I was thinking about him again last night. He made me feel safe at night. I wasn't alone and he was a light sleeper... whenever I would get out of bed during one of my sleepwalking episodes he would wake up and follow me to make sure I didn't hurt myself- then would give me a full report the next morning.

We lived in an apartment complex surrounded by dozens of other people. I felt so much safer there than I do here...

Lorelei don't be afraid, we will not harm you, do as we say.



This is what we are after.

[paulette]

I'm confused - ufo4peace - are you speaking (or drawing) a message from some proposed aliens? This posting is intense, I don't know how Lorelei will take it but I am emotionally zapped by it.

If I have a hybrid child somewhere (and I don't think this is likely but if...)... I wish it peace and people/beings around it that love it and appreciate it. What else can a mother do?

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I'm ignoring it paulette. That's my reaction to it. After I read it, I rolled my eyes and decided to ignore it because of the immaturity behind the person who posted it.

I'm not sure what kind of reaction he is hoping for, but he's not going to get it from me.

I hardly pay any attention to any posts he makes... I've found I often skip them over. That's why I didn't notice the post he made on another thread about me being "crazy" until I went to move it (per his request, which he by the way did not thank me for).

To be honest, I do not think too highly of anything he says about anything and nothing he can post will bother me.

[ufo4peace]

Dec 24, 2011 21:21:38 GMT -6 paulette said:

I'm confused - ufo4peace - are you speaking (or drawing) a message from some proposed aliens? This posting is intense, I don't know how Lorelei will take it but I am emotionally zapped by it.

If I have a hybrid child somewhere (and I don't think this is likely but if...)... I wish it peace and people/beings around it that love it and appreciate it. What else can a mother do?

That was a psychological test. My theory is a lot of the women who are being abducted are used to create hybrids. This also affects a person's personal life and social life.

[skywalker]

What type of psychological test? What results were you expecting to find? Or was that it?

[ufo4peace]

Dec 24, 2011 22:19:05 GMT -6 skywalker said:

What type of psychological test? What results were you expecting to find? Or was that it?

That was it. I'm not going to knock people who claim clairvoyant abilities. I already explained that I think that aspect of Ufology is related to religious belief systems or new age spirituality.

[sunbow]

In one of the You Tubes on the first page, John Mack stated (paraphrased), 'You are destroying the Earth, and it is not yours to destroy. This is the message that people are really afraid of.'

IMO: a lot of what the interaction is about is that human activity has caused us to enter the sixth great extinction level event in the entire history of the Earth. last one was 65 million years ago and one before that was 250 million years ago. The biggest story ever in human history and it is absolutely never televised.

[auntym]

www.vanityfair.com/culture/2013/05/americans-alien-abduction-science?mbid=social_retweet

May 10, 2013

Alien Nation: Have Humans Been Abducted by Extraterrestrials?[/color]

By Ralph Blumenthal

A prestigious Harvard psychiatrist, John Edward Mack, thought so. His sudden death leaves behind many mysteries.




Courtesy of Anne Ramsey Cuvelier (house), courtesy of JPL-Caltech/UCLA/NASA (cosmos), courtesy of the family of John E. Mack (Mack). Anne Ramsey Cuvelier’s Victorian mansion in Newport, Rhode Island, where, once a year, alien experiencers gather and exchange stories. Inset, John Edward Mack at Harvard University, where he earned his medical degree in 1955.


If you’re abducted by alien beings, are you physically absent?

This happens to be an important issue for the media-shy people gathered one afternoon last July on the porch of Anne Ramsey Cuvelier’s blue Victorian inn on Narragansett Bay, in Rhode Island, once called “the most elegantly finished house ever built in Newport.” Co-designed in 1869 by a cousin of Ralph Waldo Emerson’s, it has been in Cuvelier’s family since 1895, when her great-grandfather bought it as a summer getaway from his winter home blocks away, just as the Gilded Age cottages of the Vanderbilts and Astors began springing up across the island, redefining palatial extravagance. Still imposing with its butternut woodwork, ebony trimmings, and four-story paneled atrium frescoed in the Pompeian style, the harborside mansion turned B&B seemed a fittingly baroque setting for the group of reluctant guests Cuvelier describes as “not a club anyone wants to belong to.”

She had gathered them to compare experiences as, well, “experiencers,” a term they prefer to “abductees,” and to socialize free of stigma among peers. Cuvelier, an elegant and garrulous woman in her 70s, isn’t one of them. But she remembers as a teen in the 1940s hearing her father, Rear Admiral Donald James Ramsey, a World War II hero, muttering about strange flying craft that hovered and streaked off at unimaginable speed, and she’s been an avid ufologist ever since. “I want to get information out so these people don’t have to suffer,” she says. “Nobody believes you. You go through these frightening experiences, and then you go through the ridicule.”

So, for a week each summer for almost two decades, she’s been turning away paying guests at her family’s Sanford-Covell Villa Marina, on the cobblestoned waterfront in Newport, to host these intimate gatherings of seemingly ordinary folk with extraordinary stories, along with the occasional sympathetic medical professional and scientist and other brave or foolhardy souls not afraid to be labeled nuts for indulging a fascination with the mystery. I had been invited as a journalist with a special interest who has been talking to some of them for several years.

Perched on a wicker settee was Linda Cortile, a mythic figure in the canons of abduction literature, whom I’d come to know by her real name, Linda Napolitano. A stylish young grandmother in a green T-shirt, black shorts, and a charcoal baseball cap, she had agreed to meet me months before at Manhattan’s South Street Seaport to point at her 12th-floor window overlooking the Brooklyn Bridge, where, she says, one night in 1989 three small beings levitated her “like an angel” into a hovering craft in view of horrified witnesses, including, it was said, a mysterious world figure who might have been abducted with her. “If I was hallucinating,” she told me, “then the witnesses saw my hallucination. That sounds crazier than the whole abduction phenomenon.”

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