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www.ufodigest.com/article/mad-alien-abductee-0902September 02, 2013 DIARY OF A MAD ALIEN ABDUCTEEBy Paul Schroeder Anxiety levels high, nervous late one night, hours before bed, aware of THEM, and intrigued. Ensconced in the ironic sense of their plaguing omnipresence, I posed a question playfully, internally and silently; "Who was I, physically, in my previous lifetime?" I well knew that aliens like demons, garner souls and tamper with these souls' transit en route to Heaven, and that they harass us in intergenerational fashion in varied families. I wondered whether these reptilian aliens had bothered me in previous soul experiences, in equal fashion, as this one. It was a frivolous, teasing, tangentially curious, internally unvoiced question that I asked myself silently, before bedtime; I never realized that I would be provided an answer, of sorts. I relived it. It was vivid and electric, unlike any dream I had ever had. That night, I had a strange breathtakingly vivid dreamlike flash, unlike a murky evolving dream scenario. It was a five- second- long lightning flash short and bright and like lightning, the scene's immediate afterimages lingered without revealing the whole landscape. My heart was pounding and my legs were running. I was in mortal terror, panicking, gasping in heart pounding transit. I ran through a series of apartment rooms whose corner windows overlooked a high tenth story modern street scene and far below, outside the window's glass, 1920's or 1930's cars moved and were parked. On both sides of the street below were many similar such antique parked vehicles. The sunlight outside seemed very bright from that height, I remember noting that as I ran, dry- mouthed, wide - eyed, gasping in raw fear. I quickly rounded the apartment's end which overlooked another street corner, and ran passed a long and wide hall mirror hung on the wall behind and opposite the front door. I reached for the doorknob in desperate haste to leave and to my left saw a full bodied reflection ; I caught a glimpse of myself running for my life. As the door opened to my hand, I was in electric terror and in full flight and then, the scene faded to blackness. Inside - The person who ran was me, me in every feeling, inclination. nuance and thought, in intact attitudes, likes, and functioning concepts. Outside - The person who ran was not remotely, in any way, me. That lighting flash, vivid, dazzling and sharp, revealed an afterimage of the person who had looked back at me. In the mirror was a panicked and frightened young girl in her mid twenties, who had my blue eyes, and bottle-dyed blonde hair of medium length. She was thin, small in stature, a young woman with taut pinched features in horrid fear of her life who tightly clutched a small bright red pocketbook. I awoke, in horror, realizing that my question, voiced internally to myself, had been heard, seriously considered and astonishingly answered! CONTINUE READING: www.ufodigest.com/article/mad-alien-abductee-0902
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 19:20:36 GMT -6
"Mankind is in a proverbial hall of mirrors with a quicksand floor when it comes to any clearer understanding of motives, in abductions."
from Paul Shroeder
I don't care how "out there" this guy sounds. He's not the only one talking about this type of thing . . . . .
I wish Plutronus would share some of his thoughts on these theories. . . .
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Post by paulette on Sept 2, 2013 21:44:34 GMT -6
Just this am I had a dream in which I looked in a mirror - and beheld a woman who was definitely NOT ME. This is not first dream like this, but they are relatively rare for me. She was middle aged and had streaked hair. (I've never streaked my hair in my life). My first take was - who IS that? Not very attractive - she look hard done by- like a tired get by on her own woman. The dream just eddying around me after that. I just wondered, when or if I had been or was or am her - somewhere, sometime.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 1:20:02 GMT -6
Just this am I had a dream in which I looked in a mirror - and beheld a woman who was definitely NOT ME. This is not first dream like this, but they are relatively rare for me. She was middle aged and had streaked hair. (I've never streaked my hair in my life). My first take was - who IS that? Not very attractive - she look hard done by- like a tired get by on her own woman. The dream just eddying around me after that. I just wondered, when or if I had been or was or am her - somewhere, sometime. I had a dream once where I was walking down a cobblestoned street in Europe somewhere and I saw my own reflection in the shop windows beside me and I checked myself out. I was thin and quite attractive- I had curly yellow blond hair fashioned in a 1940s hairstyle and was wearing a slightly below the knee-length pencil skirt and was wearing stockings with the seams running up the back of my legs and heels. I woke up thinking wow... I was HOT! lol...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 9:44:36 GMT -6
Amazing that most UFO abductees or experiencers have this fanciful way of expressing themselves. The need to have it seen by others as it was seen is impossible but even in this small forum..how many are amazing at relating what they see? Sky, Paulette, JC..even yours truly can turn a phrase. So..possibly (just thinkin) going along with one of my theories..that would be a right brained gift..as would psi abilities...I keep coming back to what seems to be certain traits in abduction subjects.
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Post by sunbow on Sept 4, 2013 21:00:55 GMT -6
The article seemed to be written for sensationalism, as if it were modern fiction. Although the Grays may work with the 'recycling of souls', there are also humans here who work to un-stick the earthbound ghosts. Several peoples have advanced rites to perform when someone dies so that they move on properly. The delusion I see here is the notion that the Grays are stealing the reincarnation ride. I can not decide if the author is serious or wrote this to get published and get hits.
I have done a bunch of past life regression hypnosis sessions. I believed in it before these sessions, because of life events. Now I think that time is not linear and is exceedingly complexly woven, thus the standard reincarnation theories are still to simple for reality. They are true in a way, but not with the materiality and linear time that we imagine.
I believe that trying to get off the wheel is ego-maniacal (screw everyone, I'm in this for myself, I'm going to heaven, ...): spirituality is to be here and now and live lovingly. Kabir says, "If you don't break your ropes while you're alive, do you think ghosts will do it after? What is found now is found then. If you find nothing now, you will simply end up with an apartment in the city of death."
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Post by paulette on Sept 8, 2013 11:01:29 GMT -6
Interesting Sunbow. I sometimes feels strongly that I've touched on past lives but I don't know (other than sparking my curiosity about that time period) what "good" it is. My work is here and now, that then (if it was my then) has played out. Do we carry trauma from life to life? No idea but again, the job is facing one's fears NOW.
I love Neil Gaiman's weaving of alternate realities (and gods and goddesses) into our modern "real world". I kinda "believe" his versions (without being fanatical about it).
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Post by sunbow on Sept 8, 2013 17:02:10 GMT -6
There is a lot of evidence that we carry karma (tendencies, unresolved issues, relationships, and traumas) from past lives, but that being said, there is a limited amount of time in the present. I do not know that the past live regressions have solved anything about my present, though in a few cases they have shed light on things. I like doing the journeys and the experience of being in another time and place.
Dr. bob Weiss was doing a hypnotic regression for a disturbed patient from a western trained world view, when she spontaneously went back to a past life trauma. While he did not believe it was a past life or that there were past lives, the woman made serious healing progress, so he tried the technique with a few other patients who were not progressing. At one point a person revealed a great bit of past data which he verified. The difficulty he had tracing some of the facts and the number of places he had to get them convinced him that the patient was really tapping into that past space and time.
What 'good' it is depends on the person. For me it gives experiential evidence to my belief that I am a soul of consciousness and not this body-mind vessel. It also gives me a perspective on my present actions and their permanent Akashic nature. Mostly, it is my nature to seek such experiences, so I do.
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Post by paulette on Sept 10, 2013 12:35:19 GMT -6
Yes. I ponder all of that - but not for too long. Probably my ADD - that's always something else to think about or not-do and do something else like make a peanut buter sandwhich!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 12:37:49 GMT -6
I believe that trying to get off the wheel is ego-maniacal (screw everyone, I'm in this for myself, I'm going to heaven, ...): spirituality is to be here and now and live lovingly. Kabir says, "If you don't break your ropes while you're alive, do you think ghosts will do it after? What is found now is found then. If you find nothing now, you will simply end up with an apartment in the city of death." This is the only time that I have ever found that something you say is offensive, Sunbow. I'm not irritated or mad, or take it personally . You have a right to your opinion. I kind of see what you are trying to say (I think), after the "trying to get off the wheel is ego-maniacal (screw everyone, I'm in this for myself, I'm going to heaven). But most theories on getting to "heaven" say precisely that you can't just screw everyone. I might say, screw the TV evangelist that sometimes sounds like he thinks this way. We have no proof of reincarnation, or any other type of afterlife. For all we know, there are a bunch of prankster spirits out there. Heaven is a hope. Especially for those that have had little joy in this life, no matter what they do.
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Post by sunbow on Sept 14, 2013 20:27:55 GMT -6
I do not mean to offend and yes I am referring to the many people who are not being loving in the here and now, yet will state they are going to heaven. I do not watch any TV. I do meet people who think they are going to heaven, but will define others who are not, because the others do not accept their point of view. Christian, Buddhist, whatever; they are self righteous. They hate this group or that group. That is ego.
Two weeks ago I had a Vegan tell me he was more evolved and advanced than I was, because I did not accept his eating habits. He was going to be free of reincarnation and I would suffer in hell and then be reborn because I sometimes eat meat. I can only say I feel sorry for him and his feeling of superiority, which was not loving and not accepting. He mentally thought he was loving to the poor animals, yet really he was in it for himself, motivated by personal gain of nirvana = heaven. Perhaps this experience helped motivate my opinion above, that those who feel superior to others (egomaniacs) are really inferior, not that we are not equal in the eyes of death, but there is a difference in the heart of someone who is accepting of others.
It is a great challenge to be truly loving in the here and now without expecting a reward. Money can't buy your way into heaven. Being in a special church or club cannot guarantee you a ticket. Any ego that claims to be sure that they are in, I have suspicions about. Kabir's poem makes sense to me: find some heaven in life - I feel there is no greater heaven than loving others unconditionally. Superficial pleasures are not heaven on Earth.
We have no proof of reincarnation or anything really, but we have some scientific evidence of reincarnation. Like UFOs, nothing convinces a skeptic, but even Carl Sagan (a very skeptical person) stated that reincarnation was something that warranted much more scientific study because the evidence was intriguing and some cases very convincing. I recommend that everyone do at least a few past life regressions and then see what they think based on experiential evidence.
Reflecting on my life, I have met people who were very familiar to me on the first day that I met them. I have experienced other things that were new to me and yet remembered. Reading the Bhagavad Gita for the first time was like that. The gospels I had heard in church, but when I really read the whole bible, there was something deeply familiar. OK, I'm a book person, but there have been other experiences. I have only been on a small sail boat once, yet there was a deep sense of connection with the experience, being on the water with the wind.
I do not feel time is linear, so I do not think the standard reincarnation narrative really explains it all, yet it is a good approximation. Consciousness is somehow transcendental to time: yet I cannot conceive of the implications of that, being so bound by time, so that means that reincarnation makes sense, yet does not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 11:10:52 GMT -6
I do meet people who think they are going to heaven, but will define others who are not, . . . Two weeks ago I had a Vegan tell me he was more evolved and advanced than I was, because I did not accept his eating habits. He was going to be free of reincarnation and I would suffer in hell and then be reborn because I sometimes eat meat. I can only say I feel sorry for him and his feeling of superiority, which was not loving and not accepting. He mentally thought he was loving to the poor animals, yet really he was in it for himself, motivated by personal gain of nirvana = heaven. Perhaps this experience helped motivate my opinion above, that those who feel superior to others (egomaniacs) are really inferior, not that we are not equal in the eyes of death, but there is a difference in the heart of someone who is accepting of others. Thank You for explaining. I find this hilarious, but yet I know, that if I am truly accepting of people, I am bound to listen to them, really listen, and I'm going to hear these sorts of things. Why argue? Is it better for both of us if I just nod and say I understand? Do I have to then get a chance to express my views, even if they sound like opposing views? No. And that took me forever to learn. That most peoples idea of conversation in this busy world, is to say what they need to say. Do you agree? I have several books on reincarnation, and have also studied that man you mentioned earlier, so it is a fascinating topic for me . I know that in my sheltered life (younger) there was an unspoken rule that a person should not hang out with people of different views, lest they be "corrupted". Maturity doesn't change this notion, really. Corruption? One of those words that has a negative slant on it. . . .
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Post by sunbow on Sept 15, 2013 16:46:09 GMT -6
"Why argue?" - I agree totally. It is interesting how from my point of view I will be discussing something and from another person's it has turned into an argument. I don't argue. I have the bad habit of saying things like I know they are right, but that is not how I mean it. As soon as valid evidence proves me wrong, I'm happy to change. I do not have a belief system like many people do. I know over my life I have changed many beliefs, so I know that some of what I believe now is wrong. In the case above, I would state that 'OK, we just disagree.' and then the person would come up with more and more stuff, much of which was scientifically invalid and a few things which were ridiculous. Oh well. I agree that at some point talking is useless. We all have our own experiences and path. I love discussing things and am happy to discuss controversial things and touchy subjects: indeed these seem the most important. I invite whomever to please disagree with me and be bold enough to say why; perhaps we will both learn something.
Reincarnation is fascinating to me as well. Of my regressions, I have had two where I perceived things which after returning to this lifetime I found fascinating and beyond my mind to conceive of.
The first was a long time ago living in a cave, though there was a village down below. I became very aware of the garbage problem, especially as related to bones. This made perfect sense, but was not what I expected at all. It was so practical and realistic of an issue. Would my mind come up with this? I did not think so, I believe I perceived a real issue. If I was going to write a story or have a phantasy of living in a cave long ago, I doubt I would have considered this issue, much less made it the central focus.
The second was living in an adobe house by the sea side. I had images of many things, but in the house there were these fine macrame curtains. The pattern they made when the sun came in was beautiful (spellbinding in the vision) and also utilitarian in keeping dust and insects out. Not my creation, nor my art; they seemed to have a feminine quality. Again, not something I would imagine, rather something real I perceived.
So in both cases I was astounded by the practical reality of what I saw. It just did not have the mark of my imagination.
I can believe that other entities from the realm of light and from the realm of death could affect where we journey after death. I could believe that ET beings are advanced enough to know those realms and function there. I can not accept that they can splinter a soul and take a part of it to grow a new soul for their own purposes, this does not seem like what a soul is IMO.
"By technological magic, they collect and garner souls, spiritual electromagnetic life force energies, that retain identity and memory, to transfer them into soulless bodies, that they've created. This bypasses the God - natural recycling, planning of HEAVEN,_EARTH,_HEAVEN,_EARTH for our soul's designed evolution, but now with no angelic assistance and spirit helpers, in between lifetimes. " - I just don't accept this. I can accept the person having this opinion, but a soul is consciousness, unrelated to electro-magnetic material energy of any sort.
I guess I have this naive notion that the spiritual universe which we exist in has karmic laws which cannot be defied. They may be able to copy memories and use them for something, but once the body dies, the spiritual laws guide the soul path.
These are big topics which could have books written about them.
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Post by daymoon on Sept 19, 2013 17:31:34 GMT -6
I had a weird dream once of being abducted, I dreamt there was a bright light in my room and I couldn't move. Someone flipped me over onto my stomach and put a slimy green grasshopper looking thing into the back of my neck. When I woke up I laid in the bed staring at the clock for a full 20 minutes unable to move (sleep paralysis) anything but my eye lids and the back of my neck was twitching. For what it is worth, I chalk it up as a nightmare, if I didn't, it might drive me crazy LOL!
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Post by sunbow on Sept 19, 2013 20:20:39 GMT -6
Hi Daymoon, welcome on board.
It is better to assume that it was a dream unless something concrete and obvious happens that just isn't. In such a case as being fully awake and seeing a luminous object in the sky and missing time, it helps to talk and share.
I have never been unable to move. That sounds like a very frightening state to be in.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 19, 2013 20:20:56 GMT -6
I also had a "dream" of a bright light coming into my room one night and I also couldn't move except for my eyes. I then floated up into the air before yelling at myself to wake up. I at first thought it was just a weird dream too except that my friend who was sharing the apartment with me also had the exact same experience that night. The things that you described are very typical of an abduction. I'm not saying that you were abducted or anything but the similarities are interesting.
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Post by daymoon on Sept 21, 2013 12:26:48 GMT -6
Hi Daymoon, welcome on board. It is better to assume that it was a dream unless something concrete and obvious happens that just isn't. In such a case as being fully awake and seeing a luminous object in the sky and missing time, it helps to talk and share. I have never been unable to move. That sounds like a very frightening state to be in. I assume it to be a dream with a case of sleep paralysis. It didn't frighten or scare me at the time, it was just weird. I will say though, shortly afterwards I started having some neck problems and lower back problems. When I had an MRI not too long afterwards it did show some abnormal swelling and such. But doc had no idea what was causing swelling. Since then I have had a couple of other weirdo dreams, one that involved my using a humming sound and shattered the thing in my neck. That could have been a bi product of previous dream though. I don't know, there are so many accounts of odd things going on, but I have to look at it from a skeptical point of view. If the abduction stories are true, just how many butts do the aliens need to probe to find what they are looking for? And why do they always center around sexual abuse? It doesn't add up. Too many holes in the big picture. I really think some of the cases are the human mind acting out scenarios of early child hood sexual trauma and some of them are the minds way of addressing repressed sexual desires. Not all of the cases, but at least some portion of them.
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Post by daymoon on Sept 21, 2013 12:32:12 GMT -6
I also had a "dream" of a bright light coming into my room one night and I also couldn't move except for my eyes. I then floated up into the air before yelling at myself to wake up. I at first thought it was just a weird dream too except that my friend who was sharing the apartment with me also had the exact same experience that night. The things that you described are very typical of an abduction. I'm not saying that you were abducted or anything but the similarities are interesting. I have been reading more on the subject lately, and there are a lot of similarities to dream states I have had that I haven't ever told anyone. Things I hadn't even given much thought to. I am thinking about them now and it is a little un nerving. There has to be a point to all of it. Obviously people are a threat to whomever or whatever is causing these "odd dream states". Otherwise they wouldn't go to such a degree to cover it all up. There also has to be a way to fight it. I think I might know a way though but it sounds kind of insane even to a spiritualist like me LOL!
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Post by sunbow on Sept 21, 2013 13:00:29 GMT -6
I personally believe they not only are abducting people in large numbers, but have abducted people for centuries (probably our whole evolution) and work with some family lines more than others.
I have considered why the sexual element for many years. I believe there are several likely reasons why sexuality is involved, though using an anal method to extract sperm is not as common as the jokes imply and should not be taken as a statistically high percentage of what happens. Obviously a few males could provide enough sperm for a million hybrids, so that theory does not explain all the activity, even if hybrids are being produced, which is very likely based on the evidence.
Stanton Friedman proposes they are scanning a large number of people's genetics in order to determine how fast we are mutating and also because there is evidence that we are becoming sterile.
It is also likely that since humans are considered ultra-sexual animals, and sexuality drives a great deal of our actions, and we are facing an extinction level event (scientifically termed the sixth great extinction) driven largely by our uncontrolled breeding and excessive population levels - that part of the sexual theme of abduction may be to explore, research, and possibly remedy this problem that we have.
In either of the above cases, hybrids could be used to save a mostly human species and replace us if we do not survive the earth changes that are coming.
It is also likely that when a very telepathic being looks through your whole life, that you are as many have stated: 'more than naked'. Then in recovering memories, you feel sexually violated. Humans are used to believing the false notion that our minds are private places. Science has statistically shown we are a bit telepathic ourselves. Therefore, post encounter, someone feels very violated and they can only consciously relate to sexual violation, so that is what they report, even in cases where either nothing physical happened or in cases where a medical exam by a terrifying looking being had invasive qualities.
I believe our fear is our own and that our fear is something else they are trying to heal.
We obviously need more real data and there is a lot of BS being promoted as real cases for monetary gain or notoriety, which makes sorting this out quite difficult, yet discussion is a good way to begin to understand.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 21, 2013 16:57:07 GMT -6
It is also likely that when a very telepathic being looks through your whole life, that you are as many have stated: 'more than naked'. Then in recovering memories, you feel sexually violated. Humans are used to believing the false notion that our minds are private places. Science has statistically shown we are a bit telepathic ourselves. Therefore, post encounter, someone feels very violated and they can only consciously relate to sexual violation, so that is what they report, even in cases where either nothing physical happened or in cases where a medical exam by a terrifying looking being had invasive qualities. That makes a lot of sense. It's kind of like the way my mind created the nightmares about the sharks because I couldn't consciously remember the aliens. It tried to fill in the blanks by coming up with the next closest thing that made sense.
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Post by paulette on Sept 21, 2013 19:31:58 GMT -6
Other people have suggested on other threads here that the Visitors are interested in our emotions and are drawn to people who are transmitting while in a high emotion state. But if an alien wanted to explore just how afraid we can be - rape or unwelcome sexual contact works. Men in particular go to their very bad place IMO when faced with being powerless to stop a sexual contact. Because there is the extra spin that males (or maybe even neutral sexed beings) shouldn't cross a man's boundaries. Women go ballastic as well but probably again would go even more ballastic if the assailant would be same sex as them. Females "aren't supposed to" overpower other females. It's not equivalent but both scenarios put the victim in a powerful emotional state of fear, anger, shame, etc. This might be "interesting" to beings who don't invest huge amounts of energy anymore in breeding and sexual attraction. It may even be a possible emotional vampire type relationship. If you think this is a bizarre theory, earth people serial killers enjoy drawing out their victims agony and hope and then eventually final anguish.
But I also think that we earthlings may misinterpret what might be an undescribable experience except for metaphor, as Skywalker mentions above. Powerful psi crosses all taboos and boundaries. Or can. It is not civil to - but then the Visitor might not view us as beings that require civility on their part. Sorta like apologizing to a lab rat...
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Post by daymoon on Sept 21, 2013 21:19:37 GMT -6
Wow, Sunbow, you are awesome at this stuff! Paulette you are too I am pretty new to all this, even though I have had experiences I have never shared them with others outside of a very small circle of friends. Anyway, you both make really great points as to relating images or objects to replace what cannot be processed. ie: the sharks. This is off topic a bit, but I'll do it anyway lol! some of the accounts I read focused on aliens with widows peaks. That one floored the **** out of me. People actually believe them to be aliens? I guess I don't associate them with aliens although they are not actually native to this world so I guess they would be. I know them well, they are vampires. I have actually interviewed two of them and had conversations with quite a few others. Most of them are dark headed, but not all. Although many of them also dress in the long black coats, not all of them do. For the record, those who were once human often do not have the dark hair. During the time I was dealing with them, I met another being who goes by the name Yawae. They are terrified of him. Oh and does anyone know what the things are that have skin like stone, pale blue eyes and wear big black cloaks? What the heck are those things?
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Post by sunbow on Sept 22, 2013 9:02:36 GMT -6
Pauletta, thanks for revisiting the emotional vampire theme, as it does play into this. What they do does totally max out our emotional body. I do not think that they need those emotions or harvest them, but they might. I could see intelligent machines wanting that aspect of a living being which they do not have. I think that if they are consciously seeking to max out our emotions that it could also be a test. Or yet again it could be to help us get over some of them because we will need to in order to survive or reach some future state. If they max out a persons emotions creating a super intense experience, then bury it behind hypnotic amnesia, the person is then hyper vigilant and in the post abduction stress mode, the extra intensity in life leads to growing awareness and even PSI awareness. I personally believe this is what they do, shock us into being more alive (even if we are p*ssed off about it).
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Post by sunbow on Sept 22, 2013 9:05:57 GMT -6
DayMoon, I am curious about what you have experienced. What are these vampires? Flesh and blood beings you meet in ordinary awareness or things encountered in other modes (like hypnotism, astral travel, alternative states)? What is the defining quality that makes them different (long life, drink blood)? I really know nothing except myths about vampires.
Some believe that some of the myths come from gray abductions interpreted with screen memories - I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 11:32:33 GMT -6
Oh and does anyone know what the things are that have skin like stone, pale blue eyes and wear big black cloaks? What the heck are those things? Wish I could help . There are so many different types of "beings" (or different looking, same specie; not sure ) that I would need you to be more descriptive. Also keep in mind, that most ( but not all) of my "ideas" come from a dream or a spiritual basis. When you say, skin like stone, do you mean color, structure, etc.? I have met in real life, real Earth time, a man that seemed if he was made of stone. He was average height, very bulky and stiff, almost gray in color, and his face very much appeared to be chisled out of stone. I didn't talk to him one on one, but was in a small conference type room with him. He was very sad (without tears and no expression) and was asking for help. He had on thick glasses, but I remember noting that his eyes were "light", because he claimed to be of American Indian heritage (and I believe him). He said he was from a "family line" of Shamans and was basically trying to break a "spell" on himself. I'll never forget him, and I can't imagine him walking around a public place without being noticed. In dreams, what have you, I have encountered "beings" that do not visibly walk on the ground, yet move like us. They seem to wear long black cloaks, or are otherwise very covered except for hands and sometimes face. They are purposefull in what they do, IMO. I am not afraid of them, but they drip of power . They are very white skinned, but could be compared to stone (?). They are so similar in appearance to each other that they could be part machine, but their movements are pretty fluid and their "skin" appears to be somewhat supple (?). I think people have compared this being I see with "the men in black", but I don't see them wearing business hats, and I can't picture them disappearing in a crowd. To me, these "beings" appear larger than life, , light blue eyes, and a shock of white/blond hair on their heads. Even with sunglasses on and a bandanna partially covering their face, they're pretty obvious. Huh? I'm speaking of this like they are real. Lol. Bewildered (if I can speak for him ) also sees these beings, much like I describe, I believe, and says they have told him they are Elohim. There was a movie a few years back about "aliens" and a character played by Nicholas Cage ( I can't remember name of movie!), and when they showed these "aliens", I was astounded that they looked like what I just described! So, daymoon, are you seeing these "cloaked guys" places, or is it something that your clients often describe? Thanks!
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Post by paulette on Sept 22, 2013 12:06:47 GMT -6
Here's another direction when considering things that we have no "scientific evidence" for. If Einstein can go with HIS intuition, I felt validated in following mine in the various places it goes. www.ramdass.org/perceptions-of-the-mind/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 12:52:29 GMT -6
" > . . . your predicament – that you are trapped in illusion – there is a sense of something being absolutely real; but it is only relatively real. That awakening is confusing. You are beginning to see through the dreamlike quality of the veils of illusion. The condition necessary for you to see through the veil – for the, “Wow, it isn’t how I thought it was at all” is despair. The realization that everything you think you can do to create perfection isn’t going to be enough. . . . . . We may pass through our entire lives without suspecting their existence. . . . In this culture, we are rewarded for knowing we know. It’s only when we come to the despair of seeing that the rational mind just isn’t going to be enough – it’s only when you see the assumptions you’ve been working with are not valid that there is the possibility of change. " (from the article, above ) Great reference, Paulette! Thanks! I want to highlight the feelings of "despair". I can attest that those feelings are very real, no matter what age you are "Awakened". I can't say enough that your human life HAS to continue past this despair. Even no matter how you are "Awakened" (some of us take many tests and trials and hits on the head to get Awakened. LOL.) This resulting "despair" is not some sort of "sign", or finality. !!
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Post by auntym on Sept 22, 2013 13:17:03 GMT -6
WELCOME DAYMOON...
i may be way off base here... but...
are you familiar with astral projection? ... we all have them and most people mistaken them for dreams
IMO... i believe some people have bad out-of-body experiences or dreams because they forget to ask for white light protection before they close their eyes, the outcome being vampires, monsters & etc following them back to their normal lives... this is what i think happened to you... there are many low level beings out there waiting to pounce, thats why i endorse arming one's self with protection...if you believe in angels ask yours to accompany you in your dreams & your OBE travels... nothing will bother you or follow you back...
before i fall asleep at night i always ask for white light protection in my dreams and any OBE's i might have ... i find this to be very safe & helpful... and i rarely have nightmares...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 13:47:06 GMT -6
. . . . Oh well. I agree that at some point talking is useless. We all have our own experiences and path. I love discussing things and am happy to discuss controversial things and touchy subjects: indeed these seem the most important. I invite whomever to please disagree with me and be bold enough to say why; perhaps we will both learn something.. . . Reincarnation is fascinating to me as well.. . . I could believe that ET beings are advanced enough to know those realms and function there. I can not accept that they can splinter a soul and take a part of it to grow a new soul for their own purposes, this does not seem like what a soul is IMO. . . . . "By technological magic, they collect and garner souls, spiritual electromagnetic life force energies, that retain identity and memory, to transfer them into soulless bodies, that they've created. This bypasses the God - natural recycling, planning of HEAVEN,_EARTH,_HEAVEN,_EARTH for our soul's designed evolution, but now with no angelic assistance and spirit helpers, in between lifetimes. " - I just don't accept this. I can accept the person having this opinion, but a soul is consciousness, unrelated to electro-magnetic material energy of any sort. I guess I have this naive notion that the spiritual universe which we exist in has karmic laws which cannot be defied. They may be able to copy memories and use them for something, but once the body dies, the spiritual laws guide the soul path. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We were having this terrific discussion and I had to do some things around the house, . (and please excuse me for chopping up your discussion in the way that I do. I hope I retain the subject and your meaning ) I was raised like, and I believe, that my "soul" is constantly in jeopardy. Do I think of this every second of the day and night? No. But I am reminded of it, more than I care to be. I have no idea what my "soul" is. I would like to think that it is the part of me that "goes on"; ie: after all, "This, is only the Beginning of Forever" . Or am I in the middle, somewhere, between the past and Forever? And, do I really want this "soul" I have, to be the one I carry, Forever? I'm not being facicious. I have to ask, "Is this soul really me? Am I somehow improving it? Making it "fit" into some afterlife? Yeah, I have a lot of questions. And, just for kicks, I'm not absurdly trying to avoid some responsibility for my soul. Note: I can only verify that Karmic laws seem to be applied HERE. Both spiritually and physically here. You are not being naïve, IMHO, . Note: the belief in this "technological magic" seems to be widespread. Both between the astute and the "simple-minded". So I can't throw it out, . Ya know? I do think there is some sort of electro-magnetic force, on this plane of existence, that generally holds all this matter (including ourselves) together. Somehow, our "soul" is entangled. I'm truly sorry for this notion. But I have to consider that not only do these "beings", aliens, or whatever, like to mess around with these souls and bodies that are already part of this plane, but may try to instill their own souls in a body. This also could mean a newborn human body, or something constructed by "them". If we don't truly know what our soul is, and resulting from that, what its capabilities are, why couldn't we believe that "they" have some sort of soul, also? In fact, this notion, becomes more real, when you add the quotient of "technological magic", instead of just some sort of "spiritual power". Think about it. This world seems to be mostly bound by physics and its laws (mostly). So, taking in the full belief of reincarnation, these "beings" will never die. Maybe "they" are stuck here, and partially "garnered" by such laws. Would "they" try to help us? Would "they" try to change their own lives?? I sure don't know. It just appears that some of these answers, to these questions, MIGHT be more clear. Another reason for all the deception, blah. Bleck! Sigh. What if, using the "technological magic" as a by-product in itself, this "technology" (think nuclear, disease, age) causes a mental confusion? In everybeing involved? For example, people have been thinking about time-travel for many, many years. Have we always thought of the notion that whomever would arrive in whatever time zone, naked such as at birth? How would this technology affect the brain? Memory? All the possibilities of "Beam me Up, Scotty" and a moth is in your shirt pocket . Its as simple as "maybe these beings can fly without any sort of wings" somewhere else, . Here, "they" have to have wings or mechanical contraption to fly. just some thoughts. Oh man. Is there some way to keep my "soul" (and body!) out of "their" hands??!! I think we agree that "they" aren't any type of "diety" or gods/goddesses. . . . .
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