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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 18:17:52 GMT -6
However, when it comes to biblical Hebrew, he apparently doesn't know Hebrew grammar. Sound crazy? Think about it. You know English; you're reading it now, and you speak it. But could you successfully diagram the sentences in this paragraph? Could you explain all the verb tenses? Could you give me the grammatical relationships of all the prepositional phrases to the verbs which they modify? Could you explain all the subject-verb relationships? I hope you get the point. Grammatical analysis -- which is essential for correct translation -- is not the same as being a speaker of the language. If there were no difference, we wouldn't have English classes in middle school, high school, and college. Let's apply this to the Hebrew Bible and Sitchin's comments about elohim. Contrary to what Sitchin says, elohim does *not* always mean "gods" (plural); the meaning of the term is to be determined by grammatical and contextual clues. Grammar is to language what your graphical internet browser is to the websites on the internet - it is the organizing vehicle that gives meaning to the data -bits of information. As you'll see below through the PDFs and the videos, this is very easily demonstrated. Grammar dictates the formation of words, the relationship of words to each other, and the meaning of those words with respect to that arrangement. Without attention to the rules of grammar that have governed the languages of ancient texts, you can make the texts say anything. The PDF files below illustrate (from the Hebrew) that elohim often refers to a "god" or "God" (proper name). Besides this evidence from the Hebrew Bible, I have also posted examples from ancient Mesopotamian texts (Akkadian) from the famous El-Amarna texts where the plural word for "gods" ('ilanu) refers to a single person or god - just as in the case of Hebrew elohim. Why is Sitchin unaware of this material? • Comments on the noun elohim • Akkadian 'ilanu as a plural-formed word referring to a singular individual. VIDEOS VIDEO 1: a video of me searching the Hebrew Bible with the LOGOS Bible software for: •all occurrences of elohim in the Hebrew Bible; •all the places where elohim is demonstrated as singular through the grammar of subject-verb agreement; •all the places where elohim could legitimately be translated as a plural because of the verb; •all the places in the Hebrew Bible where the word elohim is identified as Yahweh–the singular God of Israel–showing that elohim is singular for context reasons.◦(18.2 MB; 11:27 time) •PDFs accompanying Video 1 ◦ All occurrences of elohim in the Hebrew Bible (results in Hebrew); 251 pages; 2.5 MB; 2,601 occurrences, 99%+ are singular by grammar or context. ◦Elohim as the subject of a singular predicator (results in Hebrew and English) ◦Elohim as the subject of a plural verb form (results in Hebrew and English) ◦ YHWH coupled with elohim to show elohim is singular in context VIDEO 2: a video of me doing a search for where elohim is the subject of a verb of creation. I go through all the results and each time the God of Israel is the elohim referred to, the verbs are SINGULAR. No, Genesis 1:26-27 doesn’t have plural gods creating humankind. (21 MB; 14:46) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I haven't researched this, but seems as good a place to start as any. . . .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 18:57:48 GMT -6
This isn't "quite right", but it will give you the idea. . . .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 19:04:18 GMT -6
I can't believe how hard this is to come up with some picture! Lol. The statue guy has too much hair, but his width and presence are reminders. The picture of the "silver surfer" comes close to what I mean by "stone-looking", but the eyes should be much, much softer, the planes of the face not so creased, and of course not silver. (and not naked ).
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Post by bewildered on Oct 2, 2013 0:44:31 GMT -6
Quite right, jc: grammar constitutes the "rules" for a how a given language should be spoken (and written when applicable), when one should speak and not speak, how one addresses others and inanimate objects, and so forth. Despite some claims to the contrary, every language is governed by complex grammar unique to its evolution in culture and especially in the present world, morphing through diffusion. Applying the grammatical scheme of one language to another, particularly when they are so far removed from each other, is a serious error. I'm developing an interest in the Goidelic (gaelic) languages, though it will be some time before I can dive into the subject very deeply.
I think you have the mental image I conveyed regarding the smooth, refined alabaster features down pat. It's very difficult to find representational examples unless you comb through numerous images of alabaster sculptures and other artwork. Since alabaster is water-soluble, it was never used for outdoor work.
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Post by daymoon on Oct 2, 2013 7:56:32 GMT -6
"Elohim" has a holy feel, to it, and that's something I can't quite describe about these large, expressionless men. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/3909/diary-mad-alien-abductee?page=2&scrollTo=47522#ixzz2gRk7TiGm________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I guess that this "expressionless" could be interpreted as sadness. I tend to use the word "purposeful" though. Your question is interesting, Sunbow. I once thought of these guys as the "Watchers" (because, I do feel like "they" must be all around), but some people have interpreted the "watchers" as the beings (angels?) that thought the daughters of Eve were for the taking, in the Biblical story. So, I no longer refer to then as such. . . . Also Sunbow, if we are sincerely talking about reading "other religions" Books, you would be better off studying the Zohar . (IMO). I don't want to argue about the "Cabal" ( ) with anyone, or totally explain or give any references for my thoughts on it. Plutronus has been subtley giving you all a taste of it, in a very tasteful way. Before Jesus the Christ came, it was very pertinent to use "spells" (for lack of better term). These "spells" are not meant to be done for evil. But alas. . . using these "spe\lls" in this day and age has a way of speaking to a very ancient way of life. The person using them appears as if they are rejecting the current path through Christ, and this causes some excess problems. Bottom line, it is very clear with the _ _ ______abbalah that words have power. These celebrities of Hollowwood wearing the "red string" is quite the joke. also, I believe that this book was written in a way that it was meant to be misenterpreted. Knowing what it really is, makes this a safety measure. In fact, it is probably this type of "trickery", that makes people look excessively for codes in the Bible. Last but not least, just to clarify, I do think of "elohim" as plural. "EL", to me is a singularity, much like "L-Shaddaii" ( and yes, when I start seriously misspelling words, I mean to, ok? Sorry for any confusion this causes.) JCURIO, I appluad the comment about hollywood types wearing the red string and I agree most of them are clueless. Honestly, it doesn't matter though what book or religion a person is studying. If they are looking to a book for truth(religious and spiritual I mean), they have looked the wrong direction. Everything anyone needs to know is written in their soul. Too many people are terrified of the truth and constantly look to the words of others so they won't have to look at themselves. I don't understand why anyone would find a smooth lie to be easier to swallow than the bitter truth but they do. At least the truth is a solid block you can build on. Lies fall apart. So far, the only real truth I have found, is that the golden rule applies in every situation and that I do not have anything to fear. I have to comment on the watchers though, not all of the watchers fell into making the nephilium with human women. Personally, I have never read the quabala, the bible, or any other religiously famous book. I have skimmed through a few stories here and there, enough to get the idea of it. But I cannot make myself follow any of them because they are all nothing more than any persons interpretation of how they saw something. They all have a strand of truth in which they are built upon, but nothing more than that. Besides, they are ancient books and in the interest of spiritual evolution I try and stick to getting my information directly from the other side so I stay updated OH and I love the way you misspelled "hollowood" hahah! That is exactly what it is too! it is a bunch of hollow headed igits trying to save the world with their acting! None of them are as good as Gary from team america! LOL!
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Post by daymoon on Oct 2, 2013 8:02:37 GMT -6
I can't believe how hard this is to come up with some picture! Lol. The statue guy has too much hair, but his width and presence are reminders. The picture of the "silver surfer" comes close to what I mean by "stone-looking", but the eyes should be much, much softer, the planes of the face not so creased, and of course not silver. (and not naked ). I found this one to be close to what I was trying to describe. It is Giordano Bruno. The statue just reminds me of them but without the hair because I couldn't see his hair under the hood. Attachments:
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Post by skywalker on Oct 4, 2013 21:50:42 GMT -6
How's this for a "stone looking" statue?
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Post by bewildered on Oct 5, 2013 7:18:36 GMT -6
The closest one yet, sky. Change the texture to alabaster and you have a winner.
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Post by sunbow on Oct 5, 2013 7:42:47 GMT -6
JCurio, I did not see any links to videos or PDFs.
DayMoon, I completely agree with this "If they are looking to a book for truth(religious and spiritual I mean), they have looked the wrong direction. Everything anyone needs to know is written in their soul." Some traditions actually teach this.
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Post by daymoon on Oct 5, 2013 8:11:54 GMT -6
Really? Which ones? Or are you meaning like older shamanistic type paths? I guess I have really only dealt with mostly mainstream religions. Most religion I steer clear of since high school. Anyways, making too many incidents to list shorter, I have come to the conclusion that a church is no place for me. Now I just think organized mainstream religion is for people too afraid to look inside for the truth.
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Post by sunbow on Oct 5, 2013 14:18:25 GMT -6
There are parts of many traditions which encourage people to first seek the truth within. Formally Buddhist traditions and Tibetan Buddhists have stories about the scholar being told to give up his books and go sit in a cave. Of course renouncing the world is a big ego trip. Being a loving being within the world is very difficult. I am against asceticism, the balanced middle path amid the human world, as confused as it is, is the place to find truth.
Like I said above, most religious doctrines come with some brainwashing. They trap people withing cultural norms which are not spiritual spontaneity.
The worst brainwasher is TV and Movies. They only have video and audio, so they portray the material outer court, but leave out the inner temple. Also they are great tools for teaching fear. Violence, guns, and murder are all right to show, even to children; but our natural bodies are considered profane and censored, but yet everything has sexual undercurrents which are unnatural: what's wrong with this picture?
Not saying that media is a bad tool or that programs which convey information should be avoided. Anything that stimulates, truly stimulates, creative thought is valuable.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 5, 2013 15:36:11 GMT -6
sunbow: It stresses the importance of seeking balance in our lives. We are at our best when we seek for truth on our own and come together for friendship, mutual warmth, and to fill one another. If someone has spent every moment of their life embroiled in the post-modern urban jungle, then they might best be served by seeking solitude in natural places free of concrete, stone, glass, and crowds. Those who have lead a solitary life would benefit from immersing themselves in a crowd, and developing meaningful relationships with others.
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Post by sunbow on Oct 5, 2013 18:13:22 GMT -6
I can accept that. I think that we all need a whole spectrum of experiences. I agree that balance is the goal. It is in the name of balance that I oppose asceticism, because usually it is motivated by ego. I think it is great to visit a cave and to spend time in nature of all types, as well as among people. I have known people who have sold all they have and figured they would thus be enlightened (ego glorified). After some hungry times, they put a life back together. In the gospel of Thomas it is written, 'fast and you will beget sin for yourself'. OK, so a cleansing fast might do some people some good, but if someone seeks an extreme fast to be enlightened, they may end up with health problems which will not be the enlightening experience they seek. When I lived in CA there was a fellow who went up in the mountains to do an extended fast. Between the lack of calories and a temperature drop, he died.
I have moved out to a rural place, I like the quiet. Everyone has to seek their own peace.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 18:25:43 GMT -6
JCurio, I did not see any links to videos or PDFs. www.sitchiniswrong.com/Elohim/Elohim.htm( sorry guys! I was leaving for a quick trip out of town. Here it is, and let me say I was just looking for "Elohim". I wasn't looking for any website on Z. Stitchin.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 18:39:58 GMT -6
How's this for a "stone looking" statue? Ok, but how can I say this without looking -like, or feeling-like a fool! Yeah, Sky, "they" look a lot like some "greek" statue that has suddenly come to life. They aren't wearing togas (for me), but that wide open stone-eye that is demonstrated on a lot of this period statue, is what I mean by "soft eyes" (the eyes are not stern or "penetrating". The eyes are kind. Possibly a little sorrowful). and daymoon, the picture you posted I had also come upon, but it is still too "foreboding" for me. I don't know if it is on my experience thread, or my dream thread, but that kind of caped-look (again, for me) was a death character. Try picturing a "greek statue" much like what Sky posted, but put a very short type of flat-top haircut on him (also white/blond), dark wrap-around sunglasses, and a long, dark cloak that hides the rest of his obviously large, muscled body. Lol.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 6, 2013 5:20:33 GMT -6
Here's a quick sketch I made of what I saw many years ago. The skin is like alabaster (almost exactly like the hue of the vase I posted earlier), with "soft" features resembling the statue sky posted above. The collar is brief and coal-gray, while the robe/cloak is a lighter shade of gray. The eyes shine with a pale blue luminescence. The overall demeanor is solemn, if somewhat sad. The proportions are very human, though it was rather tall (close to seven feet or so). The being doesn't speak...it doesn't need to. I had the impression that arms and legs were beneath the long robe. This might sound strange, but it does not need nor inhabit a body in the sense that we are familiar with. I knew this was some sort of projection. That's the most difficult part to relate, really. It communicated via thought forms/emotions/images/knowledge. I encountered a description of a being very similar to this one a long time ago. In a manner similar to what jcurio wrote, they said it was very powerful. It seemed to be observing, and according to this witness, you only "see" them when they want you to. That fits my own impression, too.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 6, 2013 5:52:26 GMT -6
Ok, but how can I say this without looking -like, or feeling-like a fool! Yeah, Sky, "they" look a lot like some "greek" statue that has suddenly come to life. They aren't wearing togas (for me), but that wide open stone-eye that is demonstrated on a lot of this period statue, is what I mean by "soft eyes" (the eyes are not stern or "penetrating". The eyes are kind. Possibly a little sorrowful). and daymoon, the picture you posted I had also come upon, but it is still too "foreboding" for me. I don't know if it is on my experience thread, or my dream thread, but that kind of caped-look (again, for me) was a death character. Try picturing a "greek statue" much like what Sky posted, but put a very short type of flat-top haircut on him (also white/blond), dark wrap-around sunglasses, and a long, dark cloak that hides the rest of his obviously large, muscled body. Lol. On the surface, it might appear as if you and I are describing different beings, but that isn't the impression I get. You keep going back to certain qualities that match my own perceptions: soft features, with eyes that are kind and sorrowful, not hard or penetrating. The feeling is one of restrained power, a fountain of endless possibilities captured in an expression that we can grasp. I'm convinced that what we are seeing is some kind of projection, something that seems to conform in an inexplicable way to our own experience and inherent bias. How's this for confusing: I've interacted with them in my dreams. In my dreams, they don't look like a refined alabaster sculpture...they look exactly like an ordinary human being. I described a dream sequence where I was sitting at a table with an older fellow elsewhere in this forum. There was an immense book sitting between us, opened to the oddest pages I have ever seen or could imagine. The text on the paper was constantly changing and shifting, and the pictures were alive. They were living stars blazing right there on the page, and I could see their radiation and watch their coronal mass ejections. It was almost as if I were looking at the living universe sitting on the table right in front of me. He was a grandfatherly sort of man, reminiscent of your favorite professor from college. We were discussing what I was seeing in the book. As we did this, everything around us kept changing. The only constants were the two of us, the table, and that amazing book. I distinctly remember that he told me I would not directly recall what we had been discussing, but I would know it. Doesn't that sound strange? You bet it does.
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Post by plutronus on Oct 6, 2013 6:59:45 GMT -6
>elohim ALHIM is Hebrew, it is one of the five Names of GOD, deliniated from the source text, the Sepher Ha'Smoth, Qabalah Book of Names. It is 'Spelled' (source concept of Majik) in Hebrew (I would prefer to write this in Fire Letters but proboards has dropped the font mapping): אלהימ In English 'ELOHIM' derived from Latin, which was derived from Hebrew. However in Hebrew the Name is spelled ALEPH LAMED HEH YOD MEM...ALHIM and is pronounced "Aye-Loh-Hah-Yee-Him". As long as y'all are bantying the Name around, you should probably know how to spell the Name of GOD and how to pronounce it at according to the SOURCE text. The idea that ALHIM is somehow related to ET or some spiritual creature is a fabrication.
>my step daughter ran the same spell and reopened that gate
Which gate did she open? Sounds like left column and there are only four while HOD isn't too dangerous the others are noted for being quite nasty, what's she doing over there? Opening the gate from Yetzirah into גבורה (GBVRH), she'd be hob-nobbing with Reptilians...Angels-of-Destruction!! I'd encourage her to stay out of the left column, opening those gates can lead to serious trouble than no can fix, short of dropping the nefesh.
plutronus Qabalist
Sheesh. Sounds like I'm getting scolded here, . Do you seriously think we can pronounce even one of the Name(s) of G-d? Nice try, plutronus. Bewildered once suggested to me that these huge, kind -of-stone-powerful looking guys were Elohim, because of his experiences. And he's welcome to chime in here . I think "they" have spoken to him (Bewildered). I personally don't think "they" are related to ET, and is not my idea of an "angel". But what do I know? I also like to use the word "EL", but not as a variation on "ALL". But come to think of it, maybe that's why these "beings" have hidden their face from me. . . . . gotta pray about it. Thanks Actually folks lose track of who is being quoted. I was replying to DayMoon, not you JCurio, and for your information, who am I to scold anyone? I just state my truths as I know...like it, don't like, as SunBow says, 'its all good.' As for 'EL', in Hebrew ALL the ANGLs names end in 'EL' (Latin for Hebrew = 'AL'). plutronus
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Post by sunbow on Oct 6, 2013 8:03:15 GMT -6
Hi JCurio, I just searched the 4 PDFs and did not see the verse in question. Which PDF has the Gods went into the women of the Earth and begat the mighty men of old? Were they the plural Gods or the singular God? Either way, if they created pregnancies, do we assume they (or he) were (or was) material and physical? I would tend to say Yes, these were physical beings, regardless of the singular or plural aspect of the current version of the story.
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Post by sunbow on Oct 6, 2013 8:16:36 GMT -6
A lot of the stories in Genesis were definitely taken from other places. Since Genesis is such a hodgepodge of older stories retold, it is very difficult to use it to understand what the current 'alien' engagement is about; however, the fact that it refers to events which sound like physical UFO activity is enlightening. Both the re-tellers and the original story tellers refer to physical beings who have had a vast influence on humanity and have a vast influence on our lives today. We must understand that humans of long ago were in some ways simple minded and in other ways very intelligent as we read the stories of our ancestors from long ago. They thought that the engagement of these beings was a critical aspect of life to be kept and told to the future generations.
These are my questions (and I obsess about them): What are the physical beings which we lump in as 'aliens': really? Who are the physical beings which 'bred' with humanity? I understand that this does not imply intercourse, but any woman who disappears into a fiery cloud and returns pregnant by any means when no man knew her.
What are they currently doing to us? And why?
Lower realm and upper realm non-physical beings are even more difficult to grasp, since any physical manifestation is either our mind filter's adding a layer for us to perceive or is a temporary forage into our material realm by these beings. Our realm may not be as material as we imagine.
So many questions and so few clues.
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Here's a quick sketch I made of what I saw many years ago. The skin is like alabaster (almost exactly like the hue of the vase I posted earlier), with "soft" features resembling the statue sky posted above. The collar is brief and coal-gray, while the robe/cloak is a lighter shade of gray. The eyes shine with a pale blue luminescence. The overall demeanor is solemn, if somewhat sad. The proportions are very human, though it was rather tall (close to seven feet or so). The being doesn't speak...it doesn't need to. I had the impression that arms and legs were beneath the long robe. This might sound strange, but it does not need nor inhabit a body in the sense that we are familiar with. I knew this was some sort of projection. That's the most difficult part to relate, really. It communicated via thought forms/emotions/images/knowledge. View AttachmentI encountered a description of a being very similar to this one a long time ago. In a manner similar to what jcurio wrote, they said it was very powerful. It seemed to be observing, and according to this witness, you only "see" them when they want you to. That fits my own impression, too. I seem to be obsessing over this, don't I? whatever this "thing" is, and maybe it is a projection, it means so much more to me, because I felt like it somehow deeply cared/cares for me. I believe that the last time I saw "it", it showed me a "melding" of my childhood life, into my life of today. It was (2) distinct events, including an individual that I used to know (but haven't seen for years), and I took it pretty seriously. But nothing more has been revealed, and I don't recall what he told me (and, he didn't move his lips to "speak" to me). This particular event has some important meaning, because the other human individual involved was one of the boys who found me after my encounter at 4 yrs. old. Also, we moved into the current house because of this human individuals mother and my mother were very close friends. Our grandparents were close friends, from the LaCygne, Ks. area, and I believe that some of my relatives and their relatives are even buried in the same graveyard. In fact, my mothers' older brother (she is 2nd of six) is here in town right now, and I just got done driving him to Minnesota and back. His wife died last year, and he is like a floodgate talking about the past . I haven't gleaned anything that I want to know yet, but I'm listening attentively . He is 80 something years old, and speaks often of my favorite grandfather, his dad. This is the same grandfather that had a clearance to walk anywhere around a certain government building, and worked on 'timing pieces' for bombs. He quit that job to be a farmer. I also heard again, in the last 3 days, that my grandfather's last name was/is contrived. When I tried to get an explanation of this, even just asking where we are really from, my youngest uncle used the words "I've been told. . . " and the matter was abruptly dropped. There were 7 people present, and no one else said a word. Yes, I wish I hadn't asked, and just disappeared into a corner, to see what more was going to be said, though I have a feeling that too much was already said, in my presence. I earlier had verbally expressed to these relatives that I knew that even though I was an adult, that they had their own club (using those exact words) and that I was just the "driver" on this trip, . They grinned, I left them as often as I could, but got cornered into playing cards, too. Is this just a coincidence that we are also now in the month of Oct.? I don't think so. The last time (that I am aware of) that I saw this "thing", it, whatever, it was right before Halloween, and initially I thought it was some warning about Halloween and this neighborhood. No surprise that Fall is when I had that event when I was 4 yrs. old. Its worth noting, that I used to hate the Fall (??). I always thought it was some weird foreboding about the cold, bleak, winter months. The last few years I have come to love the Fall, and Winter, too. A complete turnaround. !! (another one of my puzzling encounters as a child involves being found outside, with no tell-tale footprints in the snow). I'm not afraid right now, about all this . The "encounters" that I recognize as possibly being with an ETI, I have a guide with me, going places, but I never get to see "them". That is another reason why seeing this Other being is astounding, and why I don't think that he is one of "them". The two short periods that I didn't drive this trip, I tried to nap but keep my ears open . Nothing to add to my story; yet.
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Post by daymoon on Oct 7, 2013 7:37:19 GMT -6
A lot of the stories in Genesis were definitely taken from other places. Since Genesis is such a hodgepodge of older stories retold, it is very difficult to use it to understand what the current 'alien' engagement is about; however, the fact that it refers to events which sound like physical UFO activity is enlightening. Both the re-tellers and the original story tellers refer to physical beings who have had a vast influence on humanity and have a vast influence on our lives today. We must understand that humans of long ago were in some ways simple minded and in other ways very intelligent as we read the stories of our ancestors from long ago. They thought that the engagement of these beings was a critical aspect of life to be kept and told to the future generations. These are my questions (and I obsess about them): What are the physical beings which we lump in as 'aliens': really? Who are the physical beings which 'bred' with humanity? I understand that this does not imply intercourse, but any woman who disappears into a fiery cloud and returns pregnant by any means when no man knew her. What are they currently doing to us? And why? Lower realm and upper realm non-physical beings are even more difficult to grasp, since any physical manifestation is either our mind filter's adding a layer for us to perceive or is a temporary forage into our material realm by these beings. Our realm may not be as material as we imagine. So many questions and so few clues. What is physical and what isn't? Could it possibly that our eyes just can't see them? Sort of like the same effect as a rainbow, There are certain portions of the colors in a rainbow that can't be seen with the naked eye. We just haven't (that we know of) developed the technology to see the light beings yet. But I do suspect it has been designed and built but is being held a secret by governments who believe the general populations couldn't handle it.
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Post by sunbow on Oct 7, 2013 8:30:46 GMT -6
Daymoon, I agree we perceive but a small portion of the "Physical" realm and also that there are more 'real' dimensions which overlap ours. I do not contest that; and indeed, advocate exploring there. Like I stated, the material realm might not be material in the way we conceive of it. However, when these beings take people, they are physical and take our physical bodies. Although our minds are hard pressed to grasp these events, some have physical marks on our bodies, are in a different place when we are returned, have our clothes mixed up or put back on us wrong, etc. To me those are very physical manifestations.
If they move into and out of our dimension with technology, then we must wonder if they evolved in our dimension (on another planet) and are just using the dimensional aspects of reality with more advanced physics. Also, once a being is advanced enough, could they move beyond physical and simply jump around in space-time (like Babaji, an Indian mystic who has shown up many times and many places in the last several thousand years). Why bother with a space ship if you can translocate in space-time? Most abduction accounts do not indicate the beings were this advanced. They have technology that seems like magic, but they are beings. It is likely they abduct cows in order to get raw materials for their food processors so that they can eat. Also the abduction reports are filled with mixed levels of compassion being exhibited from the beings.
There are many species of beings involved, but they must at least be aware of each other. It is doubtful there is a governing body, since telepathic beings are unlikely to need such external structures. There seem to be some codes of ethics, such as non-interference, which may be why our memory is so disjointed.
I don't give the government as much credit as you do. I think they have a lot of advanced technology, but because they are warriors with the purpose and intent of protecting the current system from very nasty foreign governments, their focus on metaphysical is very limited. They dabble in mind control and such, but they are focused mostly on things that can be used as weapons. As warriors they do not allow themselves to be distracted and light beings are unlikely to provide any weapons or tactical support for their missions.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 7, 2013 8:38:38 GMT -6
daymoon: What you consider to be "physical" is in reality empty space. A rock seems to be "solid" to you, but truth be told, the majority of it is...well, it's nothing. Is it really "nothing?" Electricity is invisible as are electromagnetic fields, at least to our naked eye. Matter is energy; it is the result of fractal patterning in the energy "matrix." Different phenomena generate different fractal designs, but our generalized perception of it is more than just subjective...it is mostly imaginary. No one person perceives object "A" in precisely the same way. Anthropologists and psychologists discovered the very reality an individual perceives is dictated primarily by inherent cognitive bias. To make a long story short, everyone lives in their own version of reality. Really.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 8:39:29 GMT -6
What is physical and what isn't? Could it possibly that our eyes just can't see them? Sort of like the same effect as a rainbow, There are certain portions of the colors in a rainbow that can't be seen with the naked eye. We just haven't (that we know of) developed the technology to see the light beings yet. But I do suspect it has been designed and built but is being held a secret by governments who believe the general populations couldn't handle it. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I think this part of the quote is from daymoon . My PC shows it as a continuation of Sunbows' quote (?). _____________________________________________________ Thank You all, for your participation on this.Plutronus: No worries. Your intent is for good; as is mine. I consider it a privledge to butt heads with you any day, and I hope I can come away with some of your smarts! Sunbow: I regret that the site I tried to pull that information from was a site labeled against Z. Stitchin. My point was, as you and many others have said, is we can get small confirmations (or big ) that we are looking for, and ignore the rest of the information available, if we so choose to do so. Mr. Stitchin may have made a lot of money with his books in the later years, but I'm convinced that this man has a lot more to him than the desire to make money, or to have fame. Bewildered: It entered my mind that maybe I could describe this "being" to my daughter and possibly get a fairly good sketch. . . . . good job!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 8:47:02 GMT -6
Why bother with a space ship. . . . . I love it, Sunbow!
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Post by bewildered on Oct 7, 2013 9:05:14 GMT -6
Daymoon, I agree we perceive but a small portion of the "Physical" realm and also that there are more 'real' dimensions which overlap ours. I do not contest that; and indeed, advocate exploring there. Like I stated, the material realm might not be material in the way we conceive of it. However, when these beings take people, they are physical and take our physical bodies. Although our minds are hard pressed to grasp these events, some have physical marks on our bodies, are in a different place when we are returned, have our clothes mixed up or put back on us wrong, etc. To me those are very physical manifestations. If they move into and out of our dimension with technology, then we must wonder if they evolved in our dimension (on another planet) and are just using the dimensional aspects of reality with more advanced physics. Also, once a being is advanced enough, could they move beyond physical and simply jump around in space-time (like Babaji, an Indian mystic who has shown up many times and many places in the last several thousand years). Why bother with a space ship if you can translocate in space-time? Most abduction accounts do not indicate the beings were this advanced. They have technology that seems like magic, but they are beings. It is likely they abduct cows in order to get raw materials for their food processors so that they can eat. Also the abduction reports are filled with mixed levels of compassion being exhibited from the beings. There are many species of beings involved, but they must at least be aware of each other. It is doubtful there is a governing body, since telepathic beings are unlikely to need such external structures. There seem to be some codes of ethics, such as non-interference, which may be why our memory is so disjointed. I don't give the government as much credit as you do. I think they have a lot of advanced technology, but because they are warriors with the purpose and intent of protecting the current system from very nasty foreign governments, their focus on metaphysical is very limited. They dabble in mind control and such, but they are focused mostly on things that can be used as weapons. As warriors they do not allow themselves to be distracted and light beings are unlikely to provide any weapons or tactical support for their missions. One the primary reasons I don't share much of what I have experienced during the visions I encountered is that it is exceedingly difficult to express the concepts that saturated me using our present language. This superficially frustrating attribute actually contains the "secret of the sauce," if you will, as to why it is the way that it is: our model of cognizance represents an exceedingly small "opening" in spacetime. It is modal, and in a curious analogy resembles a cosmic radio hopping frequencies on the multiversal bandwidth. Our language reflects this constrained variable, and this, in turn, reveals how we ultimately relate to the shadow realm that we have convinced ourselves we live and breathe in. The illusion is a striated and classified scheme of being and existence, while the reality can never be adequately expressed. We often think of a body as a sort of vehicle, when it is in fact nothing more than a fractal expression of probability. Biochemical processes are the result of an intricate dance between fractal energy patterns, symbols of something else that is going on. "Memory" is not stored in the neuron networks of the brain, it is a now that is experienced by fitting the appropriate key into the correct door. The brain is merely an analogue of what we really are, a quantum portal and probability engine. We are consciousness, we don't experience it. My vision of the fractal multiverse included something else that couldn't be depicted in the image that I found. Everything occurs within consciousness. The multiverse is contained within it.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 7, 2013 9:20:55 GMT -6
Perhaps the most simple way to summarize why these beings are so bewildering to us (hah, the essence of my choice of screen name) is that they don't relate to consciousness in the fashion that we ourselves do. Craft, bodies, food, time, distance...they appear to consider these as artifacts unique to a modal expression of being. They know something that we do not: they are us, and we are them.
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This is something I saw, and it made little sense to me at the time. They were quite okay with that. Knowledge is desirable, but it is not required. If you focus inordinately upon knowing, you end up learning absolutely nothing. Parables and allegories end up being the only way to communicate their perspective.
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Post by daymoon on Oct 7, 2013 9:43:16 GMT -6
Daymoon, I agree we perceive but a small portion of the "Physical" realm and also that there are more 'real' dimensions which overlap ours. I do not contest that; and indeed, advocate exploring there. Like I stated, the material realm might not be material in the way we conceive of it. However, when these beings take people, they are physical and take our physical bodies. Although our minds are hard pressed to grasp these events, some have physical marks on our bodies, are in a different place when we are returned, have our clothes mixed up or put back on us wrong, etc. To me those are very physical manifestations. If they move into and out of our dimension with technology, then we must wonder if they evolved in our dimension (on another planet) and are just using the dimensional aspects of reality with more advanced physics. Also, once a being is advanced enough, could they move beyond physical and simply jump around in space-time (like Babaji, an Indian mystic who has shown up many times and many places in the last several thousand years). Why bother with a space ship if you can translocate in space-time? Most abduction accounts do not indicate the beings were this advanced. They have technology that seems like magic, but they are beings. It is likely they abduct cows in order to get raw materials for their food processors so that they can eat. Also the abduction reports are filled with mixed levels of compassion being exhibited from the beings. There are many species of beings involved, but they must at least be aware of each other. It is doubtful there is a governing body, since telepathic beings are unlikely to need such external structures. There seem to be some codes of ethics, such as non-interference, which may be why our memory is so disjointed. I don't give the government as much credit as you do. I think they have a lot of advanced technology, but because they are warriors with the purpose and intent of protecting the current system from very nasty foreign governments, their focus on metaphysical is very limited. They dabble in mind control and such, but they are focused mostly on things that can be used as weapons. As warriors they do not allow themselves to be distracted and light beings are unlikely to provide any weapons or tactical support for their missions. One the primary reasons I don't share much of what I have experienced during the visions I encountered is that it is exceedingly difficult to express the concepts that saturated me using our present language. This superficially frustrating attribute actually contains the "secret of the sauce," if you will, as to why it is the way that it is: our model of cognizance represents an exceedingly small "opening" in spacetime. It is modal, and in a curious analogy resembles a cosmic radio hopping frequencies on the multiversal bandwidth. Our language reflects this constrained variable, and this, in turn, reveals how we ultimately relate to the shadow realm that we have convinced ourselves we live and breathe in. The illusion is a striated and classified scheme of being and existence, while the reality can never be adequately expressed. We often think of a body as a sort of vehicle, when it is in fact nothing more than a fractal expression of probability. Biochemical processes are the result of an intricate dance between fractal energy patterns, symbols of something else that is going on. "Memory" is not stored in the neuron networks of the brain, it is a now that is experienced by fitting the appropriate key into the correct door. The brain is merely an analogue of what we really are, a quantum portal and probability engine. We are consciousness, we don't experience it. My vision of the fractal multiverse included something else that couldn't be depicted in the image that I found. Everything occurs within consciousness. The multiverse is contained within it. I am not sure , but it seems as though that is a really wordy way of saying "I am all that is." I understand the concept of being one with the consciousness of all that is. However, one sizes does not fit all For example, I am outside of the consciousness. I do not function within it but as a part of it as a go between for those who are disconnected. I am able to see it all, and be within it, but also as an outside observer. To put it in a strange way and the only likeness I can think of offhand, my kind are an antibiotic brought into the consciousness from an outside source to take out a bacteria. I am here, but not from here. Does that even make any sense?? LOL
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Post by sunbow on Oct 7, 2013 9:50:19 GMT -6
I sense that the reason our memory is so fickle in these encounters is as stated, there is so much more happening on levels where our standard memory of visuals and words can not be applied to, at least with our training. This implies that contact and relationship with them can only happen when we have stored enough alternative experience. They do not want us to meet their bodies, they want to socialize soul to soul.
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