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Post by daymoon on Oct 7, 2013 9:58:25 GMT -6
*sunbow* That is a really interesting question about the spaceships. I wonder, if the ships we see are actually nothing more than say, a breif vision we get from there technology in crossing over interdementionaly? or maybe some races can just step in and out but others cant. And it isn't that I give the government too much credit, I just don't out anything past them. Think about this, if they came forward with an admission to alien interaction, imagine how many people would go off the deep end and throw away religion if aliens showed up. Religious fear is a HUGE control factor for a lot of people. I know a few people who would do exactly that. The fear riots for people imagining it was the end of the world or independence day style attacks to gather together food and water, Looters,,, wow. What a mess that could turn into. It is easy for people to accept the nice smooth lie that all the alien abductees are just crazy people with hallucinations rather that the fact that there IS something happening that we are not always seeing with the naked eyes.
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Post by daymoon on Oct 7, 2013 10:04:49 GMT -6
I sense that the reason our memory is so fickle in these encounters is as stated, there is so much more happening on levels where our standard memory of visuals and words can not be applied to, at least with our training. This implies that contact and relationship with them can only happen when we have stored enough alternative experience. They do not want us to meet their bodies, they want to socialize soul to soul. That explains some encounters, but not the missing fetus cases of pregnant women and the physical marks left on some people. Like I said earlier, maybe some races can step back and forth and others need a ship Some races want to meet soul to soul while others are interested in the physical side of the human race.
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Post by sunbow on Oct 7, 2013 10:17:30 GMT -6
Yes I think the big problem is lumping together many things which are quite different, but all unexplained, into one huge pot and wondering what the ingredient is. Its like saying what color is a rainbow. Like you said, the spectrum continues both ways from the band we see. Even the aliens who are working the genetic program may wish to meet soul to soul. The cascading ecosystem collapse and global warming, which is about to step up a gear into high speed since methane ice is now melting into our atmosphere, may mean we face extinction and they are preserving our forms.
I believe the government knows about the alien engagement and what is involved. I am not sure that people would totally wig out. Perhaps in the past. I know religion is a huge control factor. The Catholics have stated that 'if' alien disclosure happens, it does not change their views on the way to heaven. Some would claim them as angels or demons, but some demonize groups of people today. I think we would be ready. I am saddened that Curiosity hasn't found some proof of Martian microbial life, just to get people a little closer. I don't think that the government believes in or works with light beings.
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Post by sunbow on Oct 7, 2013 10:21:12 GMT -6
Yes, spaceships have been reported to seem alive many times by many people. This could mean many things. They could be intelligent sentient machines or they could be a life form that is adopting a physical form just so that we can see it. That said, I do believe that there are many UFOs that are 'nuts and bolts' devices manufactured by organic beings. Again, not only do they come in many shapes and sizes with different lighting (which our gasoline vehicles also do), but they exhibit different capabilities. Some zoom off in a second, others just turn invisible and disappear.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 7, 2013 17:41:43 GMT -6
As far as I can tell, no evidence of a "nuts and bolts" alien craft has surfaced. Parsimony is stretched beyond all acceptable probability when conspiracies of government cover-up of alien interaction are insinuated, particularly since such a conspiracy would necessarily involve virtually every element of public life consistently suppressing what would otherwise be eventually revealed in the media. I suspect that governments know just about as much as you, I, or scientists at universities do: not much. What I have seen are people making a great deal of money trafficking in the disclosure myth. This is not to say that organic aliens of the kind we would be familiar with haven't visited our planet, nor that anyone in a position of authority didn't catch wind of such an event. Here's what I am saying: I doubt that it's occurred very often, and certainly not enough to warrant concealing. I share Stephen Hawking's postulation that advanced species at or beyond our present level of development are exceedingly rare, because most destroy themselves (look at what we ourselves are doing). He certainly doesn't "deny" that intelligent life on the order that we could recognize exists elsewhere in the galaxy and the universe at large...he just thinks such species are a very rare thing. Here's what I think is much, much more common: experiences with beings who are far beyond us, entities that can apparently navigate space and time like we navigate our oceans. These would be perhaps the "oldest" orders of beings in this universe...or perhaps they are touching us from another universe entirely. If I were pressed to classify the beings I've had experiences with, I would say they might very well be an order of beings who exist "beyond" the multiverse altogether. They are pure consciousness, and so the entirety of probability and "nows" are immediately accessible to their awareness...because to their perception, the universes are inside of them, not outside. Does that make sense? daymoon: yes, everything that is, is you. There are innumerable ways of looking at that. Our choice of language merely reflects a mode of being. True being actually encompasses all modes, and all languages.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 7, 2013 17:56:53 GMT -6
You are quite literally the energy released by an exploding star in an arm of the galaxy over one hundred thousand light-years distant from where you were born. The energy you expend hitting keys on your keyboard came partially from the energy emitted by the super-massive black hole at the heart of our galaxy (yes, black holes emit energy, and some spew out quite a bit). That energy you expend will eventually become part of a new solar system forming somewhere else in the cosmos. A trilobite died millions of year ago, and is now part of your body. When you die, some of you will become part of a tree, or perhaps a lizard. Everything that it is, is energy. Quantum entanglement describes how all energy patterns are inextricably intertwined with all other energy patterns, and as water flows in a stream or out of your faucet, so too does energy. It's symbolized by the mobius strip:
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Post by sunbow on Oct 8, 2013 15:48:11 GMT -6
I would say there is substantial physical trace evidence. Ted Phillips was one researcher who focused on it. There are indents from ship landing gear and circles with very unnatural properties. As far as if these represent 10 percent or 90 percent of the sightings, I am not sure.
I disagree that most races destroy themselves. We will soon get slammed by the climate problems, but IMO we will survive a lot wiser. I think that there is a hierarchy of beings which is respected out of wisdom. The very advanced beings and beings of light which are non-material are looked up to and listened to out of wisdom and with respect. There are a few rogues with technology as well, so I think it unwise to assume that any ship contains beings we would like to meet. I think most do, but there are some nasty creatures as well.
I agree, the government probably knows less that those who have had direct contact. We know the feelings and the depth of the alien's inner beings. This cannot be reached by mind or bureaucracy.
In my main event, even though I am scientific and had read much science fiction, I (we) thought they were luminous living beings in the sky, we called them living stars. I believe that was because the psychic presence was so great, as to make the material presence seem irrelevant. However they were very physical. I think this is the paradox which is why disclosure is not happening. Telepathic beings meet heart to heart (inner being to inner being), we primitive materialists meet body to body. They have no interest in meeting if the only exchange is to look at each others' bodies. They want a deeper communication. On the deeper level, we cease to function since the mind cannot be involved at the higher level and material memories are not part of the exchange.
Just my thoughts at this moment in time, not saying they are right. Indeed all thoughts and thought structures in words are lacking in some essential quality which any two beings can share by sitting together in peace. Nevertheless, the forum is a media of words and I believe they do have a value for us in humanities thinking age.
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Post by sunbow on Oct 14, 2013 16:02:29 GMT -6
Thought this quote related to the conversation, I believe the date given to the writing is 2500 BCE (~1k before Genesis was writen). I am re-reading this between UFO books for historical perspective:
Srimad-Bhagavatam (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada) - Highlight Loc. 49918-24
The creation of the demigods is of eight varieties: (1) the demigods, (2) the forefathers, (3) the asuras, or demons, (4) the Gandharvas and Apsarās, or angels, (5) the Yakṣas and Rākṣasas, (6) the Siddhas, Cāraṇas and Vidyādharas, (7) the Bhūtas, Pretas and Piśācas, and (8) the superhuman beings, celestial singers, etc. All are created by Brahmā, the creator of the universe.
Purport: As explained in the Second Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, the Siddhas are inhabitants of Siddhaloka, where the residents travel in space without vehicles. At their mere will they can pass from one planet to another without difficulty.
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Post by daymoon on Nov 11, 2013 9:04:51 GMT -6
I had a conversation about alien visitations last night with my ultra skeptical husband. His arguement on ufo's and alien visitors was this, "why would they come here? we are a fundamentally insane race, highly dangerous and in an odd part of the galaxy. My arguement back was maybe that is the draw towards us? Humans are dangerous, it would be the same thing that draws some people to study predators of all sorts. Lions, tigers, bears, serial killers, rapists, child molesters..... maybe we are being visited to study just what it is that drives a person to dangerous things while most of the animal kingdom is running from danger. LOl
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Post by sunbow on Nov 11, 2013 10:27:51 GMT -6
Yes, but there is also beauty and compassion among humans. I believe we have an essence that is most noble. The media focuses on our dark side. Our inability to control our global population is probably a common precivilized trait. I believe we will survive the sixth great extinction on Earth, which we are living in and have contributed to. Time will tell. Changes are coming.
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Post by paulette on Nov 11, 2013 14:20:37 GMT -6
Yes Sunbow. I thought I would die (and be unaffected) by the coming destablization. Reading things like "the biggest strongest megastorm ever" (the Filippeans) makes me rethink this. And of course Fuckushima.
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Post by daymoon on Nov 11, 2013 18:51:22 GMT -6
Yes, but there is also beauty and compassion among humans. I believe we have an essence that is most noble. The media focuses on our dark side. Our inability to control our global population is probably a common precivilized trait. I believe we will survive the sixth great extinction on Earth, which we are living in and have contributed to. Time will tell. Changes are coming. I hate to quote movies, but I think the angel in constantine said it best, it is in the face of true horror we find our most noble selves.
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Post by skywalker on Nov 11, 2013 21:29:50 GMT -6
I had a conversation about alien visitations last night with my ultra skeptical husband. His arguement on ufo's and alien visitors was this, "why would they come here? we are a fundamentally insane race, highly dangerous and in an odd part of the galaxy. My arguement back was maybe that is the draw towards us? Humans are dangerous, it would be the same thing that draws some people to study predators of all sorts. Lions, tigers, bears, serial killers, rapists, child molesters..... maybe we are being visited to study just what it is that drives a person to dangerous things while most of the animal kingdom is running from danger. LOl Why would they come here? The answer to that I think is obvious. It's because there is life here. Plenty of it. That's the one thing that we think makes our planet unique and that is the one thing that would attract the attention of an alien race. If we were to discover a nearby planet that had life on it do you think we would ignore it like it was just another of a gazillion barren rocky worlds or would we drop everything we were doing and rush to get there? I personally would want to see it. Another reason why they may want to come here is because of the amount of technology we have developed...especially of the destructive kind. The modern wave of UFO sightings started in 1947 just a few years after we invented the atomic bomb. That may be what caused the alien beings to start showing up. Maybe they realized that the retarded monkeys on this planet had suddenly developed the technology to not only blow ourselves up but possibly to eventually threaten other nearby star systems at some point in the future. They may be trying to prevent that from happening.
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Post by Steve on Nov 12, 2013 1:24:57 GMT -6
Why would they come here?
Humans have no comparison by the way we think to know why. Or their intent. We can only ask ourselves why would we go 'there'. Our intent.
'They' may hve been here for a long time. The effort and energy's required for us maybe inconsequential to them. It may be they travel everywhere.
People travel to visit Yosemite National park, other people travel to the garbage dump too sometimes. Different reasons, intent, purposes. We don't know enough to compare ourselves with other life yet. I have often wondered in the search for extraterrestrial life, the true question for us really is not whether life off the Earth exists, it could be just a confirmation of what we have longed thought but....(the few intellectuals that lived in the 16th century already knew the world was not flat for example). It maybe a more self centered one....whether nobly our humbly, are really seeking to know where our place compared to other life within it?
Our planet now maybe as good as it gets compared to other space civilizations. Perhaps it maybe ordinary & common - despite the wide and amazing diversity of life existing here to our eyes and awareness.
We are definitely a vulnerable species, exposed to many things from space. Yet on the other hand we just carry on as we do, getting up each morning, doing what we do each day and night. Unawares how precious life is collectively and individually. I like to be thankful, imagining so many ways life could change or turn. We are so fortunate.
If 'they' were somehow unencumbered by the science and technology....free to travel anywhere... perhaps we can answer why they would come here by asking ourselves why we would go there.....
Why did we ourselves go to the Moon for comparison? Exciting new technology was created and applied. It was both political & public amusement. But it was very good and inspirational public amusement. The 'science' of traveling to the moon was not as great.
Other applications in science may have been greater. The Hubble telescope greater perhaps? So why do we go there may help us ponder why anyone might visit here. Why visits may occur here are probably complex. It could be scientific, political....sociological, even criminal.
In all of time, on all the planets in all the galaxies in space, what civilizations have risen, looked into the night, seen what we see, asked the questions we ask.
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Post by skywalker on Nov 12, 2013 8:23:49 GMT -6
That's a good point. We don't know what they think or why they would think it. Different species may form thought processes in entirely different ways than our own. In order to understand why an alien race would come here we might first have to try to resolve questions about why different species on our own planet do the things that they do. Why does a fish swim from one spot in the ocean to another? Why does a chicken cross the road? Why does an octopus do whatever it is octopuses do?
We might be able to infer that ETs think similar to the way that we do because of some of the similar things our two species have done. For instance, in order to travel from one location in the universe to another they must have developed technology and the means to alter their environment and the materials found within it. That is similar to what we do and probably for many of the same reasons. If they behave in ways that are similar to our own would that imply that they think in similar ways also? Possibly. The fact still remains that we really don't know anything about them so even our best guess is still just a guess.
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Post by sunbow on Nov 12, 2013 8:58:11 GMT -6
They are many species with many reasons.
In some cases: I don't think that they 'think'. Every esoteric religion and all indigenous cultures say that in order to fully experience the present one must stop the internal dialog. I believe that in interaction this is why we lose our memory and are lost in our fear. They are again like animals and small children, perceiving directly with wonder as spiritual beings. They goad us, prod us, poke us, anything to help us wake up. They totally freak us out, so that we become hyper-vigilant and on fire to know the answers. They know that humanity needs a great internal world view change to survive.
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Post by lois on Nov 13, 2013 22:17:29 GMT -6
First time I have gotten on this thread. Just read the original post. Most of it I have had thoughts on before. I have had dreams of seeing myself as someone else in mirrors also. I won't go into my past life dreams as they are scattered all over the threads here. I have made post many times of Aliens taken our minds and putting them in another body. Where do these ideas come from. I think the answer to all this if true is buried in our minds. We are not to know.. they keep us dumbfounded..
I do believe if any thing was to surface it would be through dreams first. As it would be easier for us. The only real thought I have had on my own was timetravelers. It came the next morning as I woke. The rest is all speculations from thoughts that I have no idea where any of them came from.
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Post by sunbow on Nov 16, 2013 17:07:30 GMT -6
Dreams are real, though they are a different dimension than the 'material' world. We are perceivers, what we perceive is our reality. There is no objective reality out there - just energy waves. It is our consciousness that assembles the world we call real, though our world view is temporary and can change. Aliens, but definition, do not exist in our reality, any more than teh plants and animals we share Earth with live in our reality.
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Post by lois on Nov 17, 2013 0:55:55 GMT -6
I can only judge by what I have experienced . What I witness was of nuts and bolts. The one in 1947 certainly was. The pilots even had on spacesuits. Helmet and all. The experience I had in 72 shown a beam that knock out our neighborhoods transformer . All power was lost. It was not a celestial being that did these things. I could see inside this ship from the underhand and also see knobs and tiny pieces hanging from the surface of the under hang. And what about it sucking up my neighbors corn? Too much of the material as we know it came with this craft.
This of course may not be all species that come here or forms. I do not know their agenda but I do know they are interested in all life here including plants and animals. Yet I also feel they are interested in our souls or faith what every you want to call it. Just look how beautiful we are hanging out there in space. A beautiful blue planet. One look at that would bring anyone here. I'd love to say " No don't touch it.. it is our beautiful home."
Yet many say they have been told by aliens that they do have the right. That I have pondered over for years. People are scared they should be, but the Independence movie portrayed them all wrong, if you ask me. They have given us Monster spiders coming here, ships that blow us to kingdom come, even an adult mind would do a lot of speculating on this. They have to denied they are here.
Since I have known they were here for all these years and have not hurt us I'm not going to be one of these people. Nuclear is what scares me. I seen the bomb shelters in my day that people built and it did build fear as well in the child I was at the time. At five I seen the large photos in my brothers book he brought home after the war. Thousands of bodies dead from the nuclear bombs we dropped on Japan. No I'm not fearful as much about alien contact and why they are here as to being afraid of the people here on earth. I don't think the world would go into that big a frenzy if they were told. It also has never interfered with my religious beliefs . And I have seen them.
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Post by lois on Nov 17, 2013 1:12:03 GMT -6
Ships that go under water they are taking all life from our oceans. Crafts have been seen sucking up water and spilling it out again trying to understand what it takes to accommodate our sea life. They take it from ponds and lakes and rivers. Many witnesses if they have told the truth about it. They do know who dominates this planet. We build the technology. But I believe they are interested in all life forms. yet why why why? We would do likewise if we discovered a planet like this one. Such as Steve suggested.
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Post by sunbow on Nov 17, 2013 8:16:13 GMT -6
I am also afraid of nuclear. I remember the drills and hiding under our desks for when the windows implode. I got in trouble for asking what happens next, what would we do when we survived the initial blasts.
Now with Fukushima underhandedly poisoning the whole pacific ocean, I am thankful if they are gathering the species we are destroying. Humanity is at the edge and will soon get slammed. The biggest storms will keep getting bigger and the records will keep getting broken. We have choices, but those with the most ruthless business practices are ruling and their vast excess knows no end. Civilization as we know it will soon end. Let us hope we can make the transition to a truly civilized world. Perhaps when we heal the Earth (or it heals itself from our errant ways), they will return to us some of the species which we have lost. Humans may not make it, so in that possible scenario, perhaps hybrids with our better characteristics will be set forth. Perhaps they are tenders of the garden. I can only maintain hope.
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Post by jcurio on Apr 5, 2018 12:45:45 GMT -6
Thought this quote related to the conversation, I believe the date given to the writing is 2500 BCE (~1k before Genesis was writen). I am re-reading this between UFO books for historical perspective: Srimad-Bhagavatam (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada) - Highlight Loc. 49918-24 The creation of the demigods is of eight varieties: (1) the demigods, (2) the forefathers, (3) the asuras, or demons, (4) the Gandharvas and Apsarās, or angels, (5) the Yakṣas and Rākṣasas, (6) the Siddhas, Cāraṇas and Vidyādharas, (7) the Bhūtas, Pretas and Piśācas, and (8) the superhuman beings, celestial singers, etc. All are created by Brahmā, the creator of the universe. Purport: As explained in the Second Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, the Siddhas are inhabitants of Siddhaloka, where the residents travel in space without vehicles. At their mere will they can pass from one planet to another without difficulty.
The thing to remember here, and according to the “Genesis” account, is these beings were created and put on this Earth BEFORE us. Think about that. 🙂
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Post by jcurio on Apr 5, 2018 12:47:52 GMT -6
(And strange how this “thread” showed up n the middle of nowhere? Happened the other day with an “old thread” of Lois’ ...)
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Post by Steve on May 19, 2022 18:07:45 GMT -6
Here nice to see Edge of reality here still. I recently watched the Congressional hearings on UFO's. Some comments.
I watched the You tube full video of the Public part of the meeting Senate Congressional Hearing (May 17th, 2022) . The classified part of course we all would rather see. But since it would reveal capability's & methods of gathering the info and the technical aspects possible of the sensors on the aircraft in the recordings , no way are going to .
Some friends thought the uality of the questions asked where notable. My impressions of the quality of the questions were mixed. Some good questions and logical. One a senator from Illinois (R) Mr LaHood questions where idiotic. He seemed concerned with legal consequences of spreading false info on the Internet about UFO's. Trying to politicize & close discussion about UFO's. The reason LaHoods question is idiotic is how do you know what is false information and real information? When no one knows with certainty what the phenomenon even is in the first place!.
Scott Bray USN Naval Intelligence head & Ronald Moultrie Defense dept R&D I was shocked at the degree of how so narrow a confined parameters for investigations were. They only investigate the ones in the group started a decade ago? They were really only investigating the Intrusions into Naval Air and sub surface events. Nothing at all really outside these exercises. They did desire or wish to work with FBI & the FAA at least. They did seem to be trying ot cultivate a new climate of welcoming reports of sighting now from pilots. It seems they were now obligated and they would be taken seriously. But I have never seen two top Intel officials so heavy with blinders placed on them by 'the system' .
Worse, they had no sense of history of past significant cases effecting national security. The Minot Air Force Base Minuteman missile event in 1968 they were totally igannant of.!!!!! They only knew of blue book...hell every 10 year old kid knows of blue book. The seemed to already sound in their tone answering , since they didn't know about Minot, it has to suspiciously sound like some spurious internet fake news, LOL.
They used so much Pentagon jargon for terms. I was waiting almost waiting for ae Nixon Era type reply to a question like 'That statement is inoperative'...lol
At least Mufon was mentioned in the beginning, but seems with do not wish or have the capacity to look at historical patterns in investigating present sightings in context. Its like to these two men, the modern UFO era started in 2004....not 1947.
Ronald Moultrie Defense dept R&D admitted early he i a science fiction fan and had gone to 'conventions'. I guess that was to patronize us to think see, I'm like one of you. I thought, ok, maybe then he has at least the 'imagination' to see the potential possibilities. Einstein said imagination is as important as knowledge.
I am glad they are talking, but its a feeble start, but at least its a start.
Im sure Senator Lahood in a knee jerk reaction will quickly now be writing a bill to make it illegal for space aliens to vote too....WTF. LOL.
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Post by jcurio on Jun 4, 2022 17:40:47 GMT -6
Here nice to see Edge of reality here still. I recently watched the Congressional hearings on UFO's. Some comments. I watched the You tube full video of the Public part of the meeting Senate Congressional Hearing (May 17th, 2022) . The classified part of course we all would rather see. But since it would reveal capability's & methods of gathering the info and the technical aspects possible of the sensors on the aircraft in the recordings , no way are going to . Some friends thought the uality of the questions asked where notable. My impressions of the quality of the questions were mixed. Some good questions and logical. One a senator from Illinois (R) Mr LaHood questions where idiotic. He seemed concerned with legal consequences of spreading false info on the Internet about UFO's. Trying to politicize & close discussion about UFO's. The reason LaHoods question is idiotic is how do you know what is false information and real information? When no one knows with certainty what the phenomenon even is in the first place!. Scott Bray USN Naval Intelligence head & Ronald Moultrie Defense dept R&D I was shocked at the degree of how so narrow a confined parameters for investigations were. They only investigate the ones in the group started a decade ago? They were really only investigating the Intrusions into Naval Air and sub surface events. Nothing at all really outside these exercises. They did desire or wish to work with FBI & the FAA at least. They did seem to be trying ot cultivate a new climate of welcoming reports of sighting now from pilots. It seems they were now obligated and they would be taken seriously. But I have never seen two top Intel officials so heavy with blinders placed on them by 'the system' . Worse, they had no sense of history of past significant cases effecting national security. The Minot Air Force Base Minuteman missile event in 1968 they were totally igannant of.!!!!! They only knew of blue book...hell every 10 year old kid knows of blue book. The seemed to already sound in their tone answering , since they didn't know about Minot, it has to suspiciously sound like some spurious internet fake news, LOL. They used so much Pentagon jargon for terms. I was waiting almost waiting for ae Nixon Era type reply to a question like 'That statement is inoperative'...lol At least Mufon was mentioned in the beginning, but seems with do not wish or have the capacity to look at historical patterns in investigating present sightings in context. Its like to these two men, the modern UFO era started in 2004....not 1947. Ronald Moultrie Defense dept R&D admitted early he i a science fiction fan and had gone to 'conventions'. I guess that was to patronize us to think see, I'm like one of you. I thought, ok, maybe then he has at least the 'imagination' to see the potential possibilities. Einstein said imagination is as important as knowledge. I am glad they are talking, but its a feeble start, but at least its a start. Im sure Senator Lahood in a knee jerk reaction will quickly now be writing a bill to make it illegal for space aliens to vote too....WTF. LOL. Steven
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