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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 17, 2011 15:18:05 GMT -6
"Did the US secretly develop a defense or is targeting UFO's?" I hope so ;D . When we supposedly pulled our "star wars" stuff from Russia, I hoped this would actually be what "homeland security" is about. yes, I know. My hopes are "out there". After a "wave" of ufos (or ifos) in my area for a couple of months, last night I saw a lot of regular small planes, helicopters, the usual traffic, for the first time around a small local airport. We obviously had some private team practicing in the sky for a bit, but again, it doesn't explain everything. Well there is some indication that we were trying to down UFO's using SDI type weaponry. Also we may have made contact with some ET races. Of course, the latter is harder to prove. The UFO Landing At Holloman AFB, Robert Emenegger testimony etc.
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Post by Steve on Nov 17, 2011 19:33:24 GMT -6
"Did the US secretly develop a defense or is targeting UFO's?" I hope so ;D . When we supposedly pulled our "star wars" stuff from Russia, I hoped this would actually be what "homeland security" is about. yes, I know. My hopes are "out there". After a "wave" of ufos (or ifos) in my area for a couple of months, last night I saw a lot of regular small planes, helicopters, the usual traffic, for the first time around a small local airport. We obviously had some private team practicing in the sky for a bit, but again, it doesn't explain everything. Well there is some indication that we were trying to down UFO's using SDI type weaponry. Also we may have made contact with some ET races. Of course, the latter is harder to prove. The UFO Landing At Holloman AFB, Robert Emenegger testimony etc. Some laboratory testing was done and considerable funding backed it's development. SDI weaponry was never deployed. Much of the preliminary work and methods developed was adapted and used in many other less grandiose projects related to ground, air or sea based tactical systems. You see some of this in the advance Patriot missile system and the Navy's SM-3 ship-board missiles which have demonstrated intercepting satellites in orbit. Another is the Air forces' airborne laser system. This airborne system has been quietly deployed to Japan for a number of years to act as one more layer of defense against any rogue North Korean or Chinese ICBM's. SDI was more effective in bankrupting the Soviet Union collapsing themselves under the weight of their own armor. We better cut back or we may suffer the same too soon ourselves. Shooting down UFO's? More Internut info polution. Steve
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 19, 2011 0:14:52 GMT -6
Shooting down UFO's? More Internut info polution. Steve Scrambling after UFOs and shooting at them is well documented as you can see in "Pilot Ordered To Shoot-Down UFO Over UK" and the US wanted it hush hush. As far as Star Wars type weapons against UFO's Colman von Keviczky was the first that hinted at that, Colonel Phillip Corso, Hon. Paul Hellyer, Carol Rosin et al. Witnesses claimed beams of light rose from the ground striking UFO during the supposed Southaven Park, NY ufo crash incident. That's in the book UFOs Over New York By Preston Dennett. There was also a UFO Hunters program on that incident. "Project Saint and SDI both have been interpreted, though with no persuasive evidence for such a view, as possible responses to a percieved national security threat from UFOs."That's in the book: The Definitive Guide To Unidentified Flying Objects And Related Phenomena By David RitchieThere is speculation that some Star Wars funds were diverted to other programs. i.e. SDI was just a cover. I was present once when Dr. Edward Teller of the University of California Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory said he needed $20 million for more studies of an already completed experiment on the X-ray laser. -- "Teller's War," William J. Broad templeoftheinfidel.com/Obituary.htmlWhen the president's science advisor George Keyworth was explaining the SDI research program, Colman pointed out with that roaring voice he had that 'star wars' was really aimed against the galactic forces and not the Soviets. The science advisor was not pleased. On another occasion he confronted his fellow Hungarian-American, Dr. Edward Teller, the inventor of the H bomb.It is established that Colman von Keviczky pushed UFO's at the UN with Secretary General U Thant. There you see him claiming SDI was going to be used against UFOs and getting into with Edward Tellar and Tellar's SDI connection. Not just something you read on the internet. Does the US scramble after UFO's = Yes. Does the US oder to fire at UFO's = Yes. Does the US release cover stories following a UFO flap = Yes. Does the US harass UFO witnesses = Yes Does the US of have a black budget, SAPs, USAPs = Yes. Is far fetched to suggest that all the beam reports you read emanating from UFOs that the US may be trying to use similar technology against them? SDI etc = NO. Did the Army have an interest in weaponizing space? = Yes Was there a secret space program under the direction of the NAVY? = Yes www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/astrospies.htmlDid the USAF have a UFO crash recovery team? = Yes (4602d AISS) Plenty of indicators there. No question we chase and shoot at UFOs, possibly ET craft trying to down and recover them.
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Post by Steve on Nov 19, 2011 15:52:23 GMT -6
Shooting down UFO's? More Internut info pollution. Steve Scrambling after UFOs and shooting at them is well documented as you can see in "Pilot Ordered To Shoot-Down UFO Over UK" and the US wanted it hush hush. As far as Star Wars type weapons against UFO's Colman von Keviczky was the first that hinted at that, Colonel Phillip Corso, Hon. Paul Hellyer, Carol Rosin et al. Witnesses claimed beams of light rose from the ground striking UFO during the supposed Southaven Park, NY ufo crash incident. That's in the book UFOs Over New York By Preston Dennett. There was also a UFO Hunters program on that incident. "Project Saint and SDI both have been interpreted, though with no persuasive evidence for such a view, as possible responses to a percieved national security threat from UFOs."That's in the book: The Definitive Guide To Unidentified Flying Objects And Related Phenomena By David RitchieThere is speculation that some Star Wars funds were diverted to other programs. i.e. SDI was just a cover. I was present once when Dr. Edward Teller of the University of California Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory said he needed $20 million for more studies of an already completed experiment on the X-ray laser. -- "Teller's War," William J. Broad templeoftheinfidel.com/Obituary.htmlWhen the president's science advisor George Keyworth was explaining the SDI research program, Colman pointed out with that roaring voice he had that 'star wars' was really aimed against the galactic forces and not the Soviets. The science advisor was not pleased. On another occasion he confronted his fellow Hungarian-American, Dr. Edward Teller, the inventor of the H bomb.It is established that Colman von Keviczky pushed UFO's at the UN with Secretary General U Thant. There you see him claiming SDI was going to be used against UFOs and getting into with Edward Tellar and Tellar's SDI connection. Not just something you read on the internet. Does the US scramble after UFO's = Yes. Does the US oder to fire at UFO's = Yes. Does the US release cover stories following a UFO flap = Yes. Does the US harass UFO witnesses = Yes Does the US of have a black budget, SAPs, USAPs = Yes. Is far fetched to suggest that all the beam reports you read emanating from UFOs that the US may be trying to use similar technology against them? SDI etc = NO. Did the Army have an interest in weaponizing space? = Yes Was there a secret space program under the direction of the NAVY? = Yes www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/astrospies.htmlDid the USAF have a UFO crash recovery team? = Yes (4602d AISS) Plenty of indicators there. No question we chase and shoot at UFOs, possibly ET craft trying to down and recover them. Do the Air force and Navy intercept UFOs? Daily! Should those UFO's turn out to be ET, do they attempt to shoot down ET craft? Hardly! Little reason to shoot unless in self defence, interpreted either by the ground control or the pilot on the spot. Try even catching one! And if you did, would you shoot at something like the size of the UFO seen on radar and by the JAL airline pilot over Alaska? Seen visually by the pilots and on air and ground radar the size of an aircraft carrier. Shooting at them would only get them mad. Usually the aircraft's ability to shoot has been neutralized anyway (Iran F-4 encounter). Still more Internet info pollution! Thousands of aircraft shot down in the 50s in a secret UFO air war? You could never hide that. There would have been a huge shortage of pilots, word would get out into the public through families, either their survivors or not. Too much wreckage strewn about everywhere, ground crews, radar controllers. The commercial air corridors of the United States were and are the busiest in the world, and no one would notice? Air battles with UFO's within such busy commercial air corridors? The data and the research for such a theory (being polite - lie might be closer) is so sloppy it isn't funny. The military has always wanted to weaponize space, glad it hasn't yet. Military communications and reconnaissance satellites are not considered weapons. They have probably saved us countless of times. The UFO Hunters is one of your sources? Ole 'Wild Bill - Barnum and Baily' Burns? Thankfully their show has been long since canceled. Met some of the cast members, including Bill - nice guy when he is calmed down - he sells sand in the desert. I was once asked to make an appearance on the show for one local episode being filmed about California Triangle cases. I said no way! I was impressed with the 'UFO Hunters' several 'facts' they uncovered about Rendelsham Forrest at least (critical but simple to research information about the blinders on the nearby Rendelsham light house - often used absurdly by debunkers as the source of the affair). Internet debunkers (or proponents) freely proclaim, but having not actually visited the locations and investigated - they might have noticed those blinders on the light house light so the beam only shines out to sea! I had solved the mystery for many of them, crop dusting occurring at night with ample proof from the pilots themselves. Photos of their flight log books. County dept. of Agriculture records of times and locations of spraying. I expected ET-UFO's - but facts in the end had shown a different conclusion. UFO Hunters was not interested in the truth about that series of cases. Instead - like the line from the great western 'The Man who shot Liberty Valance' - "Between print the truth or print the legend?" They print the legend. Steve
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 19, 2011 22:15:21 GMT -6
Steve it's not internet pollution. Milton Torres himself is on record saying it. Why would we fire upon ET craft? Because acquiring such technology would be very desirable. It's a risk the powers that be are willing to take. edit - I started a thread about shooting at UFOs/SDI beam weapons against them at my own info forum: disclosure.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=trends&action=display&thread=224
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Post by skywalker on Nov 20, 2011 22:51:37 GMT -6
I agree that the government definitely would love to get their hands on some advanced ET technology. I also know that there have been many occasions where fighter jets have been ordered to interecpt UFOs. Whether or not they have actually fired upon them would probably depend upon the people involved. The government may wish that they had total control over everything but there is no way they can control every tiny little detail of every encounter that has ever taken place. It's possible it probably has happened once or twice. I don't think for one second though that any UFOs have been shot down by our aircraft.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 21, 2011 2:31:12 GMT -6
It's possible it probably has happened once or twice. I don't think for one second though that any UFOs have been shot down by our aircraft. Well I don't want to spend 45 minutes posting links, quotes and video only to have patriotic people call it silly internet nonsense but the topic of the shoot down era has been gone over by Nick Pope, Stanton Friedman & Frank Feschino Jr. confirming Milton Torres testimony. Reagan made the famous ET Threat speech at the UN and was a proponent of Star Wars program. So that's all I waste my time on with this topic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 14:46:11 GMT -6
I'm listening to the latest ARIRA Radio broadcast. They are interviewing Stanton Friedman right now.... or at least they did yesterday but I'm just now hearing it. (It downloads the podcast directly to my iTunes).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 17:17:47 GMT -6
Well I don't want to spend 45 minutes posting links, quotes and video only to have patriotic people call it silly internet nonsense |
If the only thing you are posting for is to gain agreement..you're in the wrong spot. All opinions are welcome here..even dyed in the wool skeptics. In spite of having an encounter and an abduction I'm not believing one way or another until I see or hear it from the 'horses' mouth because things can be perceived wrong and remembered wrong and distorted with time. You post some interesting material...everyone here does. Is it really a waste to post it unless everyone agrees? I can agree as far as something going on..but who's right..why they are here and who they are is STILL in the wind unless I've missed a post by the ET's recently Keep right on posting..but don't be offended either when others come up with different ideas..please
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 15:11:47 GMT -6
In my experience thread titled"touched-cliffs experience" in reply #10, I saw an object in space chasing another and the object in the back fired 2 lasers or missiles (I think they were lasers)and the 1st struck its target. This happened about 1981 over California . My belief was this was probably a test (SDI?) to take out incoming ICBM's but thats only speculation on my part. Whatever it was, it was sophisticated weaponry and I can only hope it was one of ours. Imo I dont believe it would be a good idea, no matter how good our defense systems are, to make an attempt to shoot at an et craft because their technology far exceeds ours . It would be comparable to a dogfight between a cessna vs. an f-22 .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 20:19:57 GMT -6
That would have been cool to see I think we probably have some better weapons that the general public are aware of.
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Post by paulette on Nov 22, 2011 21:19:58 GMT -6
It's possible it probably has happened once or twice. I don't think for one second though that any UFOs have been shot down by our aircraft. Well I don't want to spend 45 minutes posting links, quotes and video only to have patriotic people call it silly internet nonsense but the topic of the shoot down era has been gone over by Nick Pope, Stanton Friedman & Frank Feschino Jr. confirming Milton Torres testimony. Reagan made the famous ET Threat speech at the UN and was a proponent of Star Wars program. So that's all I waste my time on with this topic. I for one appreciate all the varied directions and stances that people come from here. I don't think anyone has the final say. Being or feeling that one was being shut down was IMO the end of the UFOmania site (I have no idea if they are still carrying on). I don't know what I believe or what I experienced much less making any judgement on other person's reports. Many people here are very active researchers and I appreciate that big time. There is something wonderful here - like being in a family in which people disagree or go away for awhile but there is this commonality which they share. If alien ships were to land tomorrow I would want to be in touch with you guys - not my friend who told me earlier "I don't do stories about UFO's".
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Post by skywalker on Nov 23, 2011 0:25:11 GMT -6
It's possible it probably has happened once or twice. I don't think for one second though that any UFOs have been shot down by our aircraft. Well I don't want to spend 45 minutes posting links, quotes and video only to have patriotic people call it silly internet nonsense but the topic of the shoot down era has been gone over by Nick Pope, Stanton Friedman & Frank Feschino Jr. confirming Milton Torres testimony. Reagan made the famous ET Threat speech at the UN and was a proponent of Star Wars program. So that's all I waste my time on with this topic. I'm sure there are a lot of people who can come up with evidence that UFOs have been shot down, just like there are a bunch of people who can come up with evidence that UFOs don't even exist. Unless one of the things crash lands right in front of a city full of people and the government isn't able to cover it up we are just going to be guessing which one is the truth. In my opinion, based on my own personal experiences, I don't think we have the technological capability to shoot one of those things down. I do however think that the occupants of those UFOs have the capability of wiping us off the face of this planet if they felt any need to do so. Since they haven't done it I am assuming that we haven't shot any of them down. That's just my opinion though. Reagan did give several speeches where he mentioned UFOs and he also reported seeing UFOs on several occasions. He was obviously open-minded enough to accept the possibility that ET life existed and was visiting us. Would he order the military to open fire on one of those craft, knowing that their technology was light years ahead of ours and knowing that any retalliation on their part could easily obliterate the human race? He never gave the order to fire on the Soviet Union even though the Soviets were openly hostile...why would he start a war with ET without even knowing what their intentions were?
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 23, 2011 1:50:36 GMT -6
You guys are behind the curve on the shoot down stuff: UFO ShootdownsDate: 12-06-07 Host: George Noory Guests: Stanton Friedman, Frank Feschino, Rosemary Ellen Guiley www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2007/12/06UFO researchers Stanton Friedman & Frank Feschino Jr. discussed fighter accidents & vanished planes in the 1950s, which they related to UFOs and the military's 'shoot down' era. In the 1950s, the US military had standing orders to shoot down unidentified craft if they didn't land when instructed-- and it appears that UFOs shot back, said Friedman. There is no question that our planes were the aggressors, he commented. There were many pilot deaths and mysterious military plane incidents during the early to mid 1950s. In fact, the New York Times, described jets as "disintegrated and disappeared" in their coverage, Friedman reported. Feschino detailed how aF-86 jet fighter plane crashed in SouthGlastonbury, CT on August 5, 1952 under mysterious circumstances and connected it to a UFO flap that was occurring that summer. Project Bluebook contained 1500 reports from 1952, with over 300 of them classified as unidentified, he continued. The Flatwoods Monster case also took place in the summer of '52-- there were sightings over 11 states the night the curious craft/robot set down in Braxton County, Feschino noted. On that same night, thirty objects were seen coming in over the Eastern Seaboard, and appeared to be following a craft that was damaged, he added. Friedman suggested that the US military eventually gave up on their shootdown policy, and instead began simply observing UFOs with their instruments. The Betty & Barney Hill case, which Friedman wrote about in his new book Captured! was also discussed UFO ShootdownsFirst hour guest, UFO expert Nick Pope reported that Britain's Royal Air Force has tried to shoot down UFOs over the years as part of a governmental directive. More here. RAF 'ordered to shoot down UFOs'By Daily Telegraph Reporter 8:14AM GMT 26 Jan 2009www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/4342884/RAF-ordered-to-shoot-down-UFOs.htmlPilots have apparently fired upon the unidentified objects without success since the 1980s, according to Nick Pope, who used to run the Ministry of Defence's UFO project. "There was a faction in the MoD who said 'We want to shoot down a UFO and that will resolve the issue one way or another'," he told The Sun. "We know of cases where the order has been given to shoot down - with little effect to the UFO." Mr Pope claimed that the RAF only attempted to engage when the mysterious objects were perceived to be a threat. He said: "In the case of UFOs, whether the object is causing a threat is very much a pilot's judgement call. The public won't know unless it comes down in a heavily populated area."
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 23, 2011 3:55:15 GMT -6
I'm sure there are a lot of people who can come up with evidence that UFOs have been shot down, just like there are a bunch of people who can come up with evidence that UFOs don't even exist. Unless one of the things crash lands right in front of a city full of people and the government isn't able to cover it up we are just going to be guessing which one is the truth. Nah...that's just a silly patronizing effort.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 23, 2011 4:06:02 GMT -6
That would have been cool to see I think we probably have some better weapons that the general public are aware of. I don't think beam or high powered laser type weaponry stopped with the SDI program. I wouldn't be surprised if we already have weapons in space and or are violating some treaty. Also there are landing cases where the occupants appear to be performing repairs. That means they can be venerable for attack.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 11:11:53 GMT -6
I am sure they have vulnerabilities..but I think we need to be damn sure they're invading before we decide to pull a trigger that lands us in the middle of some 'other worldly' battle. They may be out 'working on something' but what their minds can do or perceive we do not know. I can't remember off hand Ufoforpeace but were you an abductee? If not then you missed the mental pain they can inflict to maintain cooperation. If we cannot 'think' on their level...how can we fight on it and why would we want to unless...it's absolutely necessary? Our military has a history of jumping the gun..being secretive..and lying (all for the good of the public of course). We always think that we think like one another..we don't even here. How can we possibly think we would process as a being that may come from an entirely different set of morals and laws? As man tries to create God in his own image..so does he try to create everything that way..we need to respect individuality a bit more than we do I think ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 11:23:55 GMT -6
I was chatting on pal talk last night in a room there about paranormal stuff. This guy came into the room and gave a speech about fascism. Everyone in the room clicked "ignore" on him and encouraged me to do the same. I did not. I thought some of his ideas were kind of crazy and radical, but I still heard him out regardless. People don't seem to do that too often anymore. They hear someone say something they don't agree with and automatically reject everything else that person says. That kind of narrow-mindedness is not going to get us anywhere. That is why our founding fathers guaranteed us the right to freedom of speech. The responsibility that comes along with that right is the fact that everyone should listen to what everyone else has to say... in hopes that they too will be heard... but we don't. Nowadays if you don't have a degree in whatever it is you are talking about, you don't know anything. I had a young soldier approach me at work all flustered and he said to me, "I don't know WHY people keep saying we are a republic. We are a Democracy!" I looked at him, sighed and said, "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America- and to the... uh... what's the word that comes after that?" He rolled his eyes at me and stormed out of the store.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 11:34:35 GMT -6
He will think about it later. You just keep right on "plantin' them seeds"...... Freedom of speech goes hand in hand with think before you speak, expect a reply. And if someone's going to reply, stay on subject ;D. It amazes me how many people just want to be heard. For whatever reason. It's somewhat considered "creepy" or "weird" to be a quiet sort. People don't often take the time and effort to "draw someone out". This guy "needed" to be heard. He may try this same line to someone else.... but your response was acknowledged.
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Post by Steve on Nov 23, 2011 18:24:50 GMT -6
Amusing U4P will exclaim the experts say so many military jets in the 50's without any proof other than an author (like any of us could do) then must be due to hostile intent by UFO's. The sky can be very unforgiving in the first place. Bad weather, bird strikes, mid-air collisions in formations or training, violent up or down drafts in thunder clouds, hypoxia (like Mantel), violent maneuvers exceeding the structural loads of the aircraft, even a jet that shot itself down with it's own cannon in tests at supersonic speeds. Most due to the high fuel consumption of the new jets. Lack of fuel management. Too many countless carrier flight deck accidents - the decade they changed from axial deck to angled decks. To say these aircraft losses are all due to ET-UFO's is as much they are as it is not. Often the only proof is a plane & pilot did not come back. To make such wildly speculated assertions without any proof states to me Stanton Friedman & Frank Feschino Jr. are just as responsible for any mysterious military or civilian air crashes as any ET's are. Both are none sense. It am not stating it could not ever happen, just show the documentation of cause. They can't. As an example - I just posted new UFO maps for July, August, September 2011, and noticed some noticeable statistics. I always compare what Mufon claims (or rather Clifford Clift does) with facts. Some who foolishly place themselves in some kind of position to pronounce such claims. One example is the Mufon (Clifford the Christmas tree farmer) that a 'flap' might be occurring. The higher jump in raw un-investigated reports is noticeable. But when you analyze the data, I have never seen such a sad dearth of poor quality cases with even bothering to investigate. All are light in the sky reports again and again. Worse, Mufon quotes figures in total numbers that are grossly exaggerated. I will give Mufon credit for revising their reports after they are investigated - when you scan reports the number of more provocative category two and three reports plummet as they are found later to be honest mis -identifications or out right hoaxes. I noticed the same total numbers Mufon proclaims when the data is placed on an Excel spread sheet. As a function of the UFO map programming, the data must be uploaded into the map program from a Excel format. Mufon maybe doing the same thing at least with the Excel part because I will see the same total values iin the total numbers. However, as so called an expert Clifford and Mufon try to present themselves as being, they can't even interpret an Excel spreadsheet! My map program counts the number of cases, not the number of lines on the spread sheet. An important but simple mistake if they ever tried to notice. They count the total number of lines on the sheet in the report list, not the number of reports themselves. There weren't 750 reports, only 450. This is another example how poor research can flood the Internet and the media with absurd proclamations. I have similar doubts about Frank Feschino Jr. book too. And BTW, Stan Friedman is often placed on UFO books written by others only to sell the book. He may have written two paragraphs of a chapter only. When I have talked personally with Kathleen Marden about her wonderful book 'Captured' - it was her manuscript she was seeking a publisher for - not her and Stan. Stan's name for was only for Marque value even though Stan had been there investigating the Hill case from the beginning. It is really Kathleen's book IMO. I am sure Stan was very helpful with advice. Some UFO researchers can be incredibility sloppy or disregard details. I have met a few unbelievably. The details can be everything. Another book claims a UFO crashed next to the Rio Grande in the 1950's and the F-86 pilot landed after chasing it to examine the wreckage with Mexican authorities. Records show he was never even in the USAF! Conspiracy people just say "see - they erased his records!" denying his pension. Did anyone fail to consider there would be a record of that too if it was true? Too many Rodan Japanese science fiction movies with model jets being blown up by firecrackers. To Frank Feschino Jr. he must have thought these were documentaries. I would change my opinion (my opinion is not that important except to being my own), just show me some proof, documentation, declassified docs...anything! There is none. BTW, SDI technology is everywhere, from new lasers as point defense weapons on ships against anti-ship missiles to your cell phones. www.usscoralsea.net/pages/mishaps.phpMany aircraft mishaps in UFO biased researcher statistics could be slanted toward their particular own unique view. The hundreds or perhaps thousands of mishaps in the 1950's claimed by Feschino due to UFO hostile encounters maybe counting on some in the publics gullibility and laps of historical memory. Here a AJ Savage Navy bomber lands on the axial deck or centerline (before angled decks) on the USS Coral Sea in the Mediterranean in 1956. Thirteen parked planes were also destroyed. The pilot survived, but spent a year recovering, lived a productive and happy life till 1999, regretting the accident the rest of his life according to his grandson. The bomber had a hydraulic failure, lost pitch control at a critical second, the tail of the plane struck the stern, the critical tail hook now gone and with no way to stop crashes through the barriers designed to protect the planes parked forward. In the statistics according to Feschino & Friedman interpretation are these aircraft all part of the total numbers of a UFO conspiracy involving UFO military intercept? Fantasy vs. reality. Just show some proof of cause. So called researchers using sadly human 'bleep happens' for outrageous unsupported UFO claims. Something unfortunately all too common these days. Everyone should just do their homework. I looked at your sources U4P and their claims respectfully do not seem to hold up well. Reality check. Steve
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Post by auntym on Nov 23, 2011 19:53:03 GMT -6
New study suggest- aliens may be real (August 2011) Uploaded by UFOsAndAlienLife on Aug 12, 2011 August 12th 2011 Dr. Michio Kaku shares his thoughts on the existence of alien life and whether the world could survive an extraterrestrial invasion. Follow UFOs and Alien Life on Twitter @ twitter.com/ufosalienlife
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 21:18:33 GMT -6
O.K. question . Based upon all the reports Ive read and videos,t.v. shows, etc., what then were the foo fighters and how legitimate were these reports ? Another thing Im curious about is whether or not the Germans were actually working on disc type craft. Im aware of the Horten 229 but was there other craft successfully built similar to the ancient vimana type ? It seems difficult to sort out what was true and what was fabricated. Btw, I do appreciate all the research from everyone who has dedicated their time looking into this. Imo It's important to get the facts straight for historical purposes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2011 0:18:03 GMT -6
What we pass on..if stated as fact...needs to be checked and rechecked because passing on dodgy material only makes us look like idiots...collectively. Those are some amazing pictures Steve.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2011 0:35:27 GMT -6
What we pass on..if stated as fact...needs to be checked and rechecked because passing on dodgy material only makes us look like idiots...collectively. I don't know why that makes any difference Jo. The media passes on dodgy material every day and nobody stops to think that those "journalists" might just be idiots... But if someone comes out and says he was abducted by aliens everyone automatically disbelieves him. Funny really this world we live in. I don't think it really matters one way or the other... but I'm feeling rather pessimistic at the moment so my thoughts are probably jaded.
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Post by skywalker on Nov 24, 2011 8:07:54 GMT -6
Many people in the media do look like idiots...so do most politicians who constantly spout unsubstantiated nonsense. The more their lies and mistruths are exposed the more they look like idiots. The difference between us and them is that UFO people have been looking like idiots for decades while the news media and politicians have only recently started to be exposed.
If the problem is ever going to fixed somebody is going to have to lead the way and do a better job of reporting the facts. It may as well be us.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 24, 2011 11:06:30 GMT -6
Our military has a history of jumping the gun..being secretive..and lying (all for the good of the public of course). image..so does he try to create everything that way..we ;D The shoot down thing appears to be related to crash retrieval and highly secretive. One thing you need to understand about the military is all militaries are the same. Without war there would be no weapons. The end game is having reasons to kill and use weapons and not so much defending us from threats. Military is too general of a term because only some people with a need to know are involved. As far as abductions Im not an abductee but I think you are right that these beings have control over the subjects brain. A defense against that would be shielding you cranium and eyes.
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Post by Steve on Nov 25, 2011 14:09:32 GMT -6
Thanks Touched. Flying wings have been around for considerable time, and designed and built in many countries. The fact some UFO enthusiasts insist the Horten Brothers in Nazi Germany experimented with flying wings tells me how lame they really are understanding aeronautical history. What about Jack Northrop? These laughable UFO Nazi connections that these aircraft must be 'alien influenced' is so divorced from historical fact, I wonder why it gets the attention it gets. Serious researchers don't give it further attention after checking it out. Jack Northrop's contribution to flying wings as a concept dominates aeronautical history like a huge pink elephant in the room. And the UFO fringe fail to notice this? There were also others, Soviet Boris Ivanovich Cheranovsky built and tested tailless flying wings from gliders in 1924. Jack Northrop around the same time. The flying wing's potentially large internal volume and low drag makes it an attractive design concept. It has high structural efficiency. There are down sides too, known problems with the flying wing design relate to pitch and yaw. Nothing alien here at all. I wonder if perhaps due to some strange irrational conspiracy idea, a flying wing connection was made from the early science fiction film 'Things to come' (1936) which some conspiracy people use as a example of any intent for a single world order 'thing'. 'Flying wings' have this appeal because it is so clean and 'futuristic'. The UFO/Nazi connection a few in UFOlogy have attempted to promote seems to have some disturbing aryan (Nordic alien) thing some seem to find appealing. Nordic (aryian) aliens wishing to assist the 'master race'. There are some neo-nazi types in UFOlogy I did not ever believe or expect to see in that field. Some UFO religionists promote anti-Jewish phobias. At a 2010 Conspiracy Con in San Jose one neo nazi speaker which will remain nameless was spouting so much anti-jewish rhetoric related to a world wide one government UFO conspiracy. Where do these conventions dig up such scum? The Horten Brothers and their flying wing somehow connects with this twisted logic (like their twisted crosses too perhaps). The Horten Brothers aircraft were all for the most part built out of wood. Wood - real advanced 'alien technology'? Wood is well known as 'stealthy' absorbing radar emissions, not reflecting the signal back. The British Royal Air Force discovered this as a happy happenstance of their Mosquito fighter/bomber - the 'wooden wonder' - fastest in the world at the time. Nothing all that new. In checking some details for this post, I noticed among other New World Order conspiracies an Alien Invasion topic too. Yuk! www.infowars.pl/http/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory).htmThese conspiracy theorists should move out of their parents basements, kiss a girl once in a while, perhaps even get laid! ;D Steve Futuristic huge aircraft of the year 2036 in Korda's and H.G. Wells' 'Things to Come' (1936).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 18:59:13 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 21:20:03 GMT -6
you mean...gasp...get a life?
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 25, 2011 23:25:08 GMT -6
Thanks Touched. Flying wings have been around for considerable time, and designed and built in many countries. The fact some UFO enthusiasts insist the Horten Brothers in Nazi Germany experimented with flying wings tells me how lame they really are understanding aeronautical history. What about Jack Northrop? These laughable UFO Nazi connections that these aircraft must be 'alien influenced' is so divorced from historical fact, I wonder why it gets the attention it gets. Serious researchers don't give it further attention after checking it out. Jack Northrop's contribution to flying wings as a concept dominates aeronautical history like a huge pink elephant in the room. And the UFO fringe fail to notice this? There were also others, Soviet Boris Ivanovich Cheranovsky built and tested tailless flying wings from gliders in 1924. Jack Northrop around the same time. The flying wing's potentially large internal volume and low drag makes it an attractive design concept. It has high structural efficiency. There are down sides too, known problems with the flying wing design relate to pitch and yaw. Nothing alien here at all. I wonder if perhaps due to some strange irrational conspiracy idea, a flying wing connection was made from the early science fiction film 'Things to come' (1936) which some conspiracy people use as a example of any intent for a single world order 'thing'. 'Flying wings' have this appeal because it is so clean and 'futuristic'. The UFO/Nazi connection a few in UFOlogy have attempted to promote seems to have some disturbing aryan (Nordic alien) thing some seem to find appealing. Nordic (aryian) aliens wishing to assist the 'master race'. There are some neo-nazi types in UFOlogy I did not ever believe or expect to see in that field. Some UFO religionists promote anti-Jewish phobias. At a 2010 Conspiracy Con in San Jose one neo nazi speaker which will remain nameless was spouting so much anti-jewish rhetoric related to a world wide one government UFO conspiracy. Where do these conventions dig up such scum? The Horten Brothers and their flying wing somehow connects with this twisted logic (like their twisted crosses too perhaps). The Horten Brothers aircraft were all for the most part built out of wood. Wood - real advanced 'alien technology'? Wood is well known as 'stealthy' absorbing radar emissions, not reflecting the signal back. The British Royal Air Force discovered this as a happy happenstance of their Mosquito fighter/bomber - the 'wooden wonder' - fastest in the world at the time. Nothing all that new. In checking some details for this post, I noticed among other New World Order conspiracies an Alien Invasion topic too. Yuk! www.infowars.pl/http/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory).htmThese conspiracy theorists should move out of their parents basements, kiss a girl once in a while, perhaps even get laid! ;D Steve Futuristic huge aircraft of the year 2036 in Korda's and H.G. Wells' 'Things to Come' (1936). Read: Stupidities: THE ENDLESS RETURN OF THE NAZI SAUCERS:That being said there was a UFO wave during the 1930s so I wonder if there was something to the supposed Italian RS/33 (Ricerche Speciale [Special Research] 33). That also being said America's Military–industrial complex is really no different than the Nazi's.
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