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Post by onlychild on Apr 14, 2012 10:25:54 GMT -6
Onlychild, great links with some scientific theories that relate to what is happening. It is interesting to see the Solar Flare Cause of the Pleistocene Mass Extinction, however there is also the theory of a meteorite strike. I am not sure if there would be any correlation or if the random fact of these two events occurred together caused much greater destruction. 5,200 years ago a big meteorite struck and caused a 10 - 20 year winter from dust loading, after which Sumeria and Egypt 'reappeared', though we have little knowledge of the culture before that long dark winter decimated the populations of the earth. Native American stories also document this event. The other thought which seems to be ignored is that watching a solar event from Earth implies we can only know what is getting to us or has in the past. Only a space faring people with a large range ability could see something coming by having been where it hit already and then moving faster than light towards the earth. Of course robotic probes could be set to sense and then travel at greater than light speed in order to provide this information. I have always thought that the seed gathering activities of the abductions relate to preservation from a destructive event, either from our own environmental or war related Extinction Level Event or from a meteorite or other astronomical event which can be identified with the advantage of interstellar knowledge. It's interesting that date time has been preserved, and one source no one has seen yet. Nostradamus. Impact sumerian disc june 29 3123 bc Julian = 3 June 3123 BCE Gregorian? Mayan date 3114 BC Nostradamus 3203 BC (3797 AD - "7000 years" = 3203 BC) My approach to Nostradamus is vastly different. I believe he ran into the "people who knew" somewhere during his journey periods. I believe he developed OCD later in his life and had to know more than they told him, hence the quatrains. Regarding the Guidestones, the stone marker for the alleged time capsule has the word pseudonym misspelled. I believe it was deliberate, these people don't make mistakes like that. Based on what I looked into, the NYN misspelling could represent the same Hebrew word, and deals with the idea of increase, to sprout. So - a false-sprouting / false increase - ie, this is BS? This word goes as far to include the idea of the messiah according to some scholars, so again R C Christian - false messiah? Who knows. I have to run out again - be back later.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 14, 2012 12:23:36 GMT -6
I've always felt like RC Christian was code for Rosicrucian , personally. Although I do agree with much of what the guide stones say, and even too the book excerpts you've provided , I do feel that there is a sinister feel to it all...I do not think it is anyone's place to decide how many children each of us should have, but I do see a need for the lessening of a population due to the strains that are now (and have been ) on us worldwide. All of this reminds me a lot of the conversations Billy Meier had with the Plearians about how we need to be more responsible in how many offspring we produce in order to keep the balance. I wonder if whomever constructed the guide stones had taken a page from those teachings or may have spoke to some of them their self... I would like for all of you to take time to watch the THRIVE docu. that I posted, it has as much to do with this as anything, maybe more. And it is (I think) a very important message and large bit of knowledge (some of it potentially dangerous knowledge) that everyone should know if ever we are to change anything happening to our world and everything on it. Ok OC let's cut to the chase here for a minute.......you seem to be of the mind that what's coming can't be change. I am of the mind that 'we' can change or alter any event if we set our minds to it...so bottom line, in your opinion are we doomed? And if so, what's the point in spreading this knowledge of this great mystery and mix up or rather lost information to anyone? Surely there must be hope in there somewhere.... I mean, what's the point in waking up to what has been and is happening all around us if there is no chance of changing it's outcome? I finally understand 'why' I am here in this moment in time, in history, and to me , it isn't because we are doomed, it is because whatever is coming will change the world 'as we know it' and this is a good thing in my mind. Hey Steve, here's a thought, why don't you have Mary ask Han in your next session, what he thinks about the super wave or gas cloud coming and what our future looks like... :/ Maybe he can give some insight into it a little further. I really feel like this needs to all be spelled out to where it is understandable. Once we can all make sense of it then we can do something about it... As for what Sunbow mentioned, I think there was assistance in the indigenous' knowledge from space faring ppl. in order to understand and create the extensive calenders and reference that they used to these events. But, I still do not understand OC you're statement about an agreement or that ET's came to help after the last super wave event...what did they do to help? What type of agreement or whatever was there? Also, do you think this agreement is still in effect? Peace
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 12:44:04 GMT -6
Poverty stricken people tend to have more children than middle classed or wealthy people. The reason why is simple: the welfare system of the US rewards poor people who have children with more benefits, bigger state-funded apartments/housing and such things as that. It's an incentive for poverty stricken people to have MORE offspring because they get more money if they do it.
When I was staying at the local women's shelter at the age of 19 there was a woman there who had 8 children with her. Every child was a different color. Lots of the other women in the shelter were laughing about the diversity of that family. Each child obviously had a different father.
The local low-income clinic provides free birth control to any woman who needs it. Does this help the problem? Nope. Why bother with birth control? If you keep making babies the government will give you MORE money.
This problem is essentially the opposite of how things should be naturally. According to the theory of natural selection, those who are successful (middle class or higher) can afford to feed more mouths in their homes so they have more children. Those who are NOT successful should not produce as many offspring because they are struggling to survive.
Thanks to the modern US welfare system, this natural balance has been turned upside down.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 12:48:16 GMT -6
I think we all have to go with our instincts and beliefs because so far..no one has the inside track. I keep hearing that this person or that one has predicted this or that and then everyone feels robbed or cheated when it doesn't come to pass (Harold the prophet comes to mind). From Nostradamus on down. Recently..it's bible predictions and everyone seeing the end of the world in Armageddon. As God says (and I tend to believe him over any others) no one will know the hour besides him. Nor do we need to challenge anyone else's belief's here because that makes no sense either..any one of them could be right Go with what you feel...what YOU believe and don't work so hard to change others. What we are meant to believe..we will have the tools to believe. I would ask this...say you knew the day...the hour the moment..when 'worlds collide'...would you spend them in worry about how it's about to transpire or how you might prepare your family? Do you give up hope just because you feel you have the answer? It still puts me in mind of the 'twilight zone' episode where the adults all know the world will end at precisely midnight and so to spare the children..they give them THE pill...and expecting to be facing death they settled down to hold one another and meet it stoically together..the end never came but the kids are dead. That episode had a masterful influence on me. Anything CK is subject to change or so I believe and my psychic self believes this too. In the readings of Steve's friend..so far Hans hasn't predicted the end of the world but then who knows what side he's working for in this great scope of things. Is he here to lull us into a false sense of security or as he seems just a really nice alien persona. I tend to believe the last. (long as he's not related to those other grey guys). There IS one thing I am absolutely certain of. As a people..we need to make changes. We need to be better to each other..to our families and we need to spend some time understand the person we are. I have such fear for humanity right now..just today ANOTHER man walked into a restaurant where his children and wife were celebrating a little girls birthday..and shot them. Killed his wife and one daughter..the other clings to life. There is much we have to work on and fearing what comes is at the bottom of the list as far as I'm concerned. People are afraid right now.....they are economically challenged and aren't seeing any hope for the future. There will be a lot more of this in the year to come. Maybe the rotten little thug Grey's don't seem so bad after all comparatively speaking
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Post by auntym on Apr 14, 2012 13:13:10 GMT -6
i agree with you CK and JO... we all have the power to change the future....nothing is written in stone, according to DELORES CANNON there are several individual timeline realities available to us already in place... you just have to choose which one you want ... it all depends on what you want your future to be ...... i'm sure you all have heard the old saying...EVERY CHOICE YOU MAKE HAS A DIRECT BARING ON THE REST OF YOUR LIFE... try to make smart decisions... on an unconscious level we already know this... thinking positive thoughts will help get you there regardless of whats happening at any given moment in your life.... always see a better outcome... the more i read her series of books CONVOLUTED UNIVERSE... the more i'm seeing this to be true for me in my life.... thank you delores cannon for opening my eyes...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 13:31:11 GMT -6
I don't know Dolores Cannon but it's a pet theory of mine that we do create our realities and that by thinking positively we get to where we want to be. I'll read up on her..thanks Auntie.
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Post by charles on Apr 14, 2012 16:32:09 GMT -6
Hi all! Onlychild - welcome !! Thank you for your post, it is most interesting! I hold the feeling that we all have a bearing on our life & time on this planet - very much a case of follow what is good & right in your heart then, on the whole, your life will be rewarding & fulfilling. I believe that there is a change of consciousness happening in general at the moment and, whilst still dangerous in both the physical realm (terrorism, rogue states, elected democracies keeping their people in the dark 'for their own good', the person out of their head on smack or drink who hits you in the street etc.) & the spiritual realm (Deities bringing their wrath upon the populace for their straying from the path of righteousness or the like), we are being given the knowledge to change the path we're on (yeah, okay, so Led Zep Stairway came into mind as typing that last bit ;D ;D !!). I could say that what's to come will come. End of. But to my mind that would be a pretty narrow minded way to look at things. Most of you know how I work ( ;D ;D !), and that I will try to look for the positive slant on a given situation. Yes, there are times when it has to be no - no smilies or upbeatness, just straight black & white (and those are the times I like least as they have the most sorrow .). I know in my heart that if you do your best for those around you you will be rewarded in whatever way makes you happy (Lorna's just bought me another train in the last 10 minutes ;D ;D !). If there is nothing that I can really change in this world let me at least try to make people happy or at least content. Like I say, I believe there's a change in consciousness happening at the moment. Whether that is part of an end game, or just a maturation of ourselves as a species, something is happening. Personally I don't hold to it being end game. I take it to be a maturation of ourselves - a re-evaluation of ourselves if you will. We have realised that to a certain degree "oops, we made a boo-boo!". I agree that our planet's climate is changing and yes, we do have to take responsibility for it to a certain degree. But taking responsibility for it is knowing how to adapt ourselves and the planet to the changes that are happening on the cycle of planetary change that it goes into every so often - each year we go into spring, summer, autumn, winter & back to spring etc. Every few millenia the planet does this - a kind of seasonal change. We collectively & individually have the ability to change the world by our actions - a take on Ghandi's '"Be the change you wish to see in this world". If you think that you won't make any difference because there's no 'I' in team, remember 'me' because I'm in the team - me always is ;D ;D !! Okay, I'm done for now (he hears collective sighs of relief !!)! TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by onlychild on Apr 14, 2012 16:32:25 GMT -6
Ok OC let's cut to the chase here for a minute.......you seem to be of the mind that what's coming can't be change. I am of the mind that 'we' can change or alter any event if we set our minds to it...so bottom line, in your opinion are we doomed? And if so, what's the point in spreading this knowledge of this great mystery and mix up or rather lost information to anyone? Surely there must be hope in there somewhere.... I mean, what's the point in waking up to what has been and is happening all around us if there is no chance of changing it's outcome? I finally understand 'why' I am here in this moment in time, in history, and to me , it isn't because we are doomed, it is because whatever is coming will change the world 'as we know it' and this is a good thing in my mind. Everything from beginning to end has presented two pictures: 1) is what is coming, and was called the end of the road. 2) breaks down to the simple fact that we don't think correctly - and that is going to cause a problem with #1. I use the simple picture of the triune brain because we are all neuro-newbies, and dealing with the complexities of the brain to make explanations in this is not necessary. The base idea regarding thinking and using the triune brain model, break down to pictures that are created as understandings of topics, but are not based on left hemisphere hard data (neo-cortex). We use instead the other two areas involved which would be the R-complex or the mammalian mid-brain. The idea is, those two areas of the brain will ALWAYS pitch in their 2-cents worth, however, their data picture should be taken under advisement only by the left hemisphere of the neo-cortex. Examples would be ... To quote Carl Sagan: Could the Milky Way be rippling with life and intelligence? Worlds calling out to one another, while we on Earth are alive at the critical moment when we first decide to listen. … But our fear of the dark rebels. The idea of alien beings troubles us. We conjure up objections. … Even after we are grown, the darkness retains its power to frighten us, and so there are those who say we should not inquire too closely into who else might be living in that darkness. Better not to know, they say. That would be an example of what it called thought hi-jacking by the r-complex. It is based on nothing but fear, there is no hard data to prove anything, but yet, we fear. An example of the mid-brain hijacking your thoughts, would be an emotional connection where you say: "I just FEEL - inwardly - that you are wrong and I am right." People sometimes call this a gut feeling, and sometimes they are right. The problem in the picture would be "sometimes" as it is not a dependable approach, again, no hard data. 5000 years ago thinking went along the lines of what is called mythopoeic thinking, which basically breaks down to using the r-complex, mid-brain, and the right hemisphere of the neocortex. When this happened, it was because there was NO hard data to be had on a particular subject, and beliefs like the river being angry (as if it was alive) caused a flood. We still do this today, and people say it was God who sent the destruction. The bottom line to everything is that there IS an event coming, there is NO date, and unless we begin to think according to the way our brain is designed, not the way we want to think, if they are here to help, and we believe another picture entirely, what do you think the outcome is going to be?
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Post by onlychild on Apr 14, 2012 17:28:10 GMT -6
I wanted to add to the post above to give you a better idea of what I'm talking about. In 2004 (and there is more to this, but, another time) I was set up for the lesson of lessons on this "thinking" subject. While I slept, I was suddenly woken up by something that had never happened in my life - I heard, in my head - 16 months. I just laid there thinking - 16 months? To what? Which would have been the correct approach - no data.
From the next morning on, my thoughts were hijacked by the lower areas of my brain, and I considered the method, as well as the oddity that exactly 16 months landed me on the vernal equinox of 2006 - what were the chances of that? The more I thought about it, the more I figured it was a "message" and TS was about the HTF.
Suffice it to say, after everything I did to try and prove this was going to happen, I fell flat on my face.
On the very night it was over, again in my sleep, I heard the following:
It was never expected that you would get as far as you did; you found the end of the road.
An end that exposes the fact - there is no road.
People always follow dead end roads and never realize that they are indeed, dead ends.
IT IS COMING.
You, and everyone else need to take all of you beliefs, put them in a pile in front of you, and back away.
Put them in a pile in front of you, and back away.
We have a problem, and you can "think" whatever you want ... there can be only ONE answer to this riddle, and there are so many "answers" floating around out there it isn't funny. Can you prove you are right? I'm not picking on anyone; I'm as hard on myself in all this as I am on anybody. I asked myself if I had covered all of my bases in this, and there was one outstanding approach I had not done - was I nutz?
I have had 2 psych-evaluations in all of my experience time - one at about 20 years in together with a partial IQ test, and that was something I had to do for whatever reason for disability. Outcome: not nutz. So I know everything up to that point was cool.
The second was recently with a psychotherapist, and his approach was to deliberately take on the sum total of my experiences. Outcome: not nutz.
It's all about HOW we think, and it was said here: "... whatever is coming will change the world 'as we know it' and this is a good thing in my mind."
Got proof?
The very fact this is in "your mind" indicates this is a feelings based approach, not hard data. Now maybe this is coming from someone else, but then I have to ask ... how does this person know? There can be only one answer to this puzzle, who has it? Already, you say good outcome and I say bad outcome. We have a problem as our collective butts hang in the balance. I've been checked out - and what I presented as data was good enough to prove my point. I don't know what else to say ... we do have a problem and so far I seem to be the only one addressing this issue.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 18:35:11 GMT -6
I wanted to add to the post above to give you a better idea of what I'm talking about. In 2004 (and there is more to this, but, another time) I was set up for the lesson of lessons on this "thinking" subject. While I slept, I was suddenly woken up by something that had never happened in my life - I heard, in my head - 16 months. I just laid there thinking - 16 months? To what? Which would have been the correct approach - no data. From the next morning on, my thoughts were hijacked by the lower areas of my brain, and I considered the method, as well as the oddity that exactly 16 months landed me on the vernal equinox of 2006 - what were the chances of that? The more I thought about it, the more I figured it was a "message" and TS was about the HTF. Suffice it to say, after everything I did to try and prove this was going to happen, I fell flat on my face. On the very night it was over, again in my sleep, I heard the following:
It was never expected that you would get as far as you did; you found the end of the road.
An end that exposes the fact - there is no road.
People always follow dead end roads and never realize that they are indeed, dead ends.
IT IS COMING.
You, and everyone else need to take all of you beliefs, put them in a pile in front of you, and back away.
Put them in a pile in front of you, and back away.We have a problem, and you can "think" whatever you want ... there can be only ONE answer to this riddle, and there are so many "answers" floating around out there it isn't funny. Can you prove you are right? I'm not picking on anyone; I'm as hard on myself in all this as I am on anybody. I asked myself if I had covered all of my bases in this, and there was one outstanding approach I had not done - was I nutz? I have had 2 psych-evaluations in all of my experience time - one at about 20 years in together with a partial IQ test, and that was something I had to do for whatever reason for disability. Outcome: not nutz. So I know everything up to that point was cool. The second was recently with a psychotherapist, and his approach was to deliberately take on the sum total of my experiences. Outcome: not nutz. It's all about HOW we think, and it was said here: "... whatever is coming will change the world 'as we know it' and this is a good thing in my mind." Got proof? The very fact this is in "your mind" indicates this is a feelings based approach, not hard data. Now maybe this is coming from someone else, but then I have to ask ... how does this person know? There can be only one answer to this puzzle, who has it? Already, you say good outcome and I say bad outcome. We have a problem as our collective butts hang in the balance. I've been checked out - and what I presented as data was good enough to prove my point. I don't know what else to say ... we do have a problem and so far I seem to be the only one addressing this issue. I know what you're saying about being "checked out". I had to go through that with my disability too. My problems are physical not mental but I guess we all have to undergo that "evaluation" when pursuing disability or even a pain clinic. Mine came out"not nutz"either . My own self - evaluation would be "just a little silly" ;D At the end of the day when its all said and done,,,what is the solution in your opinion onlychild ? There are many voices crying in the wilderness saying "the aliens are here" or" there are strange lights in the sky" or"there are only x amount of months left before so and so is going to happen" but still at the end of the day,the majority of the population is going about their daily business doing their thing while pointing their fingers at us saying"its all in their head" (psychosomatic). In reality weve seen it with our own eyes and we know what we know . I disclosed to the world what happened to me about 12 years ago concerning a visit from grey beings. I also disclosed sightings which cannot be explained. Many of us have done this as "voices crying in the wilderness". Many of us have been ridiculed,laughed at,,,,la de da . I still ask myself from time to time"what good is it doing"? Should I continue or just let it be ? I believe there is a purpose. If it wasn't for others like many of the good people here I would feel so much more alone with this phenomena than what I do now. I appreciate you laying all this out also. I still am going over much of it and Ive also studied about some of this in the past with an open mind. I look forward to reading more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 18:41:12 GMT -6
Did what you heard sound like an actual voice, or was it just a thought? When I fall asleep at night every once in awhile I hear a female voice whisper my name in my ear. It doesn't happen often thank goodness. If it was a voice, was it male or female? Just curious.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 14, 2012 19:24:46 GMT -6
I know what you're saying about being "checked out". I had to go through that with my disability too. My problems are physical not mental but I guess we all have to undergo that "evaluation" when pursuing disability or even a pain clinic. Mine came out"not nutz"either . My own self - evaluation would be "just a little silly" ;DLOL ... aren't we all At the end of the day when its all said and done,,,what is the solution in your opinion onlychild ? Well, I would recommend a base "look into" the subject of the triune brain. Like I said, we are neuro-newbies and this subject is a great place to start. The counter arguments surround the evolution idea, but that's neither here nor there. I will say that as we grow older, this picture stands out as an excellent road map to what is going on. I call it the decade approach, and all people, every 10 years, begin to fall into a better "thinking" category. This subject even answers the age old question of why girls are more mature than boys growing up LOL. There are many voices crying in the wilderness saying "the aliens are here" or" there are strange lights in the sky" or"there are only x amount of months left before so and so is going to happen" but still at the end of the day,the majority of the population is going about their daily business doing their thing while pointing their fingers at us saying"its all in their head" (psychosomatic). In reality we've seen it with our own eyes and we know what we know .
Hence the approach is hard data - which we haven't touched on yet.I disclosed to the world what happened to me about 12 years ago concerning a visit from grey beings. I also disclosed sightings which cannot be explained. Many of us have done this as "voices crying in the wilderness". Many of us have been ridiculed,laughed at,,,,la de da .
People don't laugh at me - they run away.I still ask myself from time to time"what good is it doing"? Should I continue or just let it be ? I believe there is a purpose. If it wasn't for others like many of the good people here I would feel so much more alone with this phenomena than what I do now.
I go through the frustration too - I have quit and come back more times than I can count. My question is always, why me - there are far more intelligent people out there - I'm just a guy - why me? I appreciate you laying all this out also. I still am going over much of it and Ive also studied about some of this in the past with an open mind.
I look forward to reading more.
If this gets anywhere - it will be the very first time.[/quote]
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Post by onlychild on Apr 14, 2012 19:29:32 GMT -6
Did what you heard sound like an actual voice, or was it just a thought? When I fall asleep at night every once in awhile I hear a female voice whisper my name in my ear. It doesn't happen often thank goodness. If it was a voice, was it male or female? Just curious. Oh it was definitely a voice - and male. Woke me right up. From what I have read there are quite a few people who hear door knocks, phones ringing, names, things like that. This is normal and part of what's going on in your head it seems. I would only start worrying if you hear it during the day while you are awake.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 14, 2012 20:38:56 GMT -6
1st I just want to say how honored I am to be among so many amazing people!!! I love you all!
OC you ask if I have proof and that it must be a feeling I have that it will be a good outcome..... I actually need proof for a lot of what I think and do, and this one I got proof for myself on, like you speak of a voice, I too have had a voice speak to me. It told me when I was very young that I came back for a big event that would take place in my late 30's (I'm 39) , it told me again over and over to look things up when I was straying from "truths" on many subjects, the last time I heard it was in '04 when it said very clearly 'it's time to prepare, life as you know it will soon change, be ready', then I was shown a vision (for lack of a better word) of what would come if we do not succeed...needless to say, I waqs scared. I continued to learn , dig, study where needed...I also grew 'spiritually', learning meditation , and how to tap into my inner self. In this I learned how to heal others better, become more 'whole' uniting my 'selves', and discovered that we really can manipulate or control (at least to some extent) outcomes around us...then I discovered, right after 9/11 that we have even more power when we unite in 'one mind'. So that got me thinking and asking for guidance from the inner self and spirit guides...now I have come to know that together we can and will make a successful change to 'life as we know it'. Similar to the Hopi 2 roads drawn on the rock, we have 2 paths we can choose, and this time, there IS enough of us to choose the high road. So do I have proof, look around you at all the people doing united consciousness activities, all the people waking up, all the research and independent films being created to spread this message that united we really do stand...the proof is all around us. "Once I was blind but now I see " comes to mind right now. (and that isn;t meant in a religious context, but a literal one) Another great piece that comes to mind is Einstein's theory that when the galactic alignment (as he refers to it) happens that it would have enough of an effect on humans to cause their right and left hemisphere to merge...this will leave us more conscious of our place in the universe, our ability to be psychic, telepathic, etc. As we approach this meeting with the wave or cloud or alignment, whatever name it has it is already occurring that we are changing...waking up is the beginning, and this has been taking place for many years now, the rest will follow. Many are now reporting being able to have visions or knowings with more ease, more of a united connection is taking place also, many are learning how to tap that healing ability as well, it is all there. SO I say yes, I have proof. We are not at an impasse just because I see hope and you do not...please continue with what you have to share. I still look forward to all of it.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 14, 2012 21:17:42 GMT -6
... the last time I heard it was in '04 when it said very clearly 'it's time to prepare, life as you know it will soon change, be ready', then I was shown a vision (for lack of a better word) of what would come if we do not succeed...needless to say, I waqs scared. Tell me about this part ...
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 14, 2012 22:14:53 GMT -6
What would you like to know? There was no more words spoken after this, just the images and sounds of ppl. crying,screaming, water rushing, destruction everywhere, etc. It is not something I want to go in to , because it isn't the main issue and will spread fear...which anti- productive. We are to encourage, and empower each other. THAT is what we need to do now. Give hope that we can survive this transition without destruction and chaos . Either way the world as we now know it changes, for better or for worse is our choice.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 15, 2012 7:00:14 GMT -6
What would you like to know? There was no more words spoken after this, just the images and sounds of ppl. crying,screaming, water rushing, destruction everywhere, etc. ................................. It is not something I want to go in to , because it isn't the main issue and will spread fear...which anti- productive. We are to encourage, and empower each other. THAT is what we need to do now. Give hope that we can survive this transition without destruction and chaos . Either way the world as we now know it changes, for better or for worse is our choice. This is when things start to get - messy. There's an interesting division in your thoughts above ... there's details of what is coming, and there is a " It is not something I want to go in to , because it isn't the main issue and will spread fear...which anti- productive."Is it? It's just reality. Dealing with the idea of "facing your fears" is very productive as you are dealing with what is, not running away from it. In everything I went into years back, there was one person whose experiences interested me so much I had to talk to her. Landi Mellas wound up on a SciFi channel documentary on - something - I think it just had to do with experiencers ... I don't remember. Anyway, her book was interesting, and her co-author David Caywood added his experiences to the mix too. In one of his experiences he said he came from the future to visit himself today, but, that isn't going to happen - because he died. My main focus was Landi, and her experiences kind of make the point here. When she was seven (in the '50s) it began for her, and although there is a cartoon-like atmosphere that followed the main event (maybe because she was a little kid) it's the opening part of this that interested me. For whatever reason, she got up one night, went downstairs to open the front door, and there was - a tall Nordic - and a couple of shorter beings too. They were going to take her on a trip, but the open dialog from the Nordic is the main focus. ‘But before we go, I want you to look at the sky.' He turned his eyes upward. The night sky hued into an ominous blood red as a vacuum of total silence engulfed me. Not a cricket sang, not a leaf rustled. My eyes were riveted to the heavens. An electrically charged atmosphere surrounded us, seemingly stretched to its limit, like a rubber band on the verge of snapping apart. I felt an uneasiness that at any second the sky would crack open like a delicate egg. Although I was only seven, from the deepest recesses of my soul erupted a knowingness of a catastrophic future event for planet Earth. I knew time was running out. Urgency was upon us. The tall being's voice once again brought me back to the present. 'If you see the sky such as this, you will know we are coming.' ........... Now, if memory serves here she was supposed to focus on this idea and do - something - a study - ? - I just don't remember exactly. What did stick in my head was the fact that it never happened - she had said "Life just got in the way." She grew up - and it was all pushed aside. I can relate to this as it was just shy of 20 years before the study I knew was coming - finally arrived. By this time in life I could have just chucked the whole thing and moved on with what I wanted to do - but I didn't - I was still curious. In my experiences, nowhere was the main theme of what is coming presented as something we should mentally shy away from. It is going to kick our collective butts, end of story. In Landi's experiences, she didn't do whatever it was she was supposed to do, had a bunch of bizarre experiences that didn't seem to mean a thing, and one day when she was much older, that Nordic came back to see her - he wasn't happy. She had a vision where she was driving along and suddenly she was caught in an unbelievable snow storm. She wasn't prepared for it - never saw it coming - was not dressed for it and had to pull over. It was then that the Nordic showed up, and he was all dressed for the event. He said he was leaving her now, and she was like - But you just got here. All he said to her was: "Be prepared! There will be severe climate changes that will seem to happen instantaneously. You have been told that this will come to pass!" And he just walked away. He left her all alone in the storm. In her book there was a seeming division of the human population, where some were going off world to place to live, and the rest - well - they'd all be here in the midst of what is coming. The question would be: Where is that dividing line? I say it's information based. In other words, if we don't focus on the reality of the coming event, we fall into the category of "People always follow dead end roads, and never realize that they are indeed - dead ends." I say the division in your thoughts is being created by you - thought hijacking - fear from the r-complex. Nowhere in what has gone on in my life was the coddling "It's OK, don't worry, let me give you a reassuring hug" part of anything that went on. It was serious - it is coming - and people are not thinking correctly regarding it. All I can say is that focus regarding the reality of the event has to be in the explanations. I was never told anything about any division of the population, some going off world, some staying here, so I don't know - I'm a stickler for what is, and what isn't in my experiences. Maybe this has been the picture all along - I just don't know - there were no books or newspapers 13,000 years ago.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 15, 2012 11:56:41 GMT -6
I don't think you quite understand. It is not Me that is fearful . I have seen things that will be a result of what can happen IF enough people don't wake up....in order for people to do this they can't be fearful. At least not all consuming with it. Yes, bad things may happen regardless and there is nothing to do to stop this but if we hold to our knowing that there is a better outcome then it will be so. Look at it this way, if in fact (and I think it is) we are co creators of our own futures (not just on an individual level but for the good or bad of all of us) then to be scared of what might happen is counter productive to our outcome....if we focus on the positive it doesn't mean we are sticking our heads in the sand, it means we are rising above fear. Not all ppl. have this attribute easily, so for me to share what I have seen as a possible outcome, should we fail, is promoting fear. I have never liked anyone spreading fear. Truth is one thing, but blatant fear of what if's is another. I will not do that, it isn't what I am supposed to do. Call it my nature or a lesson , all I know is that to cause more fear is to assist chaos. It is very clear to many that things in our world are changing. It will not all be peaches and cream and fluffy bunnies.....but it will not all be in vain either. It is needed changes to relieve the stresses put upon some much and many. Many have known of this impending change to come for some time...even though we look for signs that it isn't going to happen. Naturally we don't want these changes, but if you understand why the need is there then it makes it more acceptable. That is where I am , more accepting, embracing actually...but everyone needs to be prepared for things to change in possible ways that cannot be imagined. And I'm not referring to doomsday or destruction here, think bigger and broader on that . Nevertheless it will rock the foundations of many. Whether that be literal or metaphorically I cannot say. Now instead of trying to psycho analyze my perspectives respectfully, please continue with what you have figured out about this whole thing. (I assure you I am in a good place , and it isn't me I worry about.) And this is NOT an end of world scenario, I do not believe we are at the end of the road. We are at the beginning. (I know some are going to think this is new age stuff but this is actually old stuff. It's been here for many a years, and some presently here have been guided to assist in this in some fashion or another.I can only speak for my own experiences that are not lies or fabrications , I can only share what I know to be right and true and will not say anything that is elaborated or I am not 100 % sure of. Those who know me here know I've never came forward like this until now. And no, I don't have it all figured out, just a piece to add to the puzzle.) Peace
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Post by onlychild on Apr 15, 2012 14:14:59 GMT -6
I don't think you quite understand. It is not Me that is fearful . I have seen things that will be a result of what can happen IF enough people don't wake up....in order for people to do this they can't be fearful. At least not all consuming with it. Yes, bad things may happen regardless and there is nothing to do to stop this but if we hold to our knowing that there is a better outcome then it will be so.
Look at it this way, if in fact (and I think it is) we are co creators of our own futures (not just on an individual level but for the good or bad of all of us) then to be scared of what might happen is counter productive to our outcome....if we focus on the positive it doesn't mean we are sticking our heads in the sand, it means we are rising above fear. Not all ppl. have this attribute easily, so for me to share what I have seen as a possible outcome, should we fail, is promoting fear. I have never liked anyone spreading fear. Truth is one thing, but blatant fear of what if's is another. I will not do that, it isn't what I am supposed to do. Call it my nature or a lesson , all I know is that to cause more fear is to assist chaos.
The main difference between you and me here is that I'm trying to promote an understanding of how the brain works, what (in this case) fear is, and why it is in the processing mix to begin with. We should have begun to learn this in Jr High School, but it never happened. What I am calling thought hijacking is when the area of the brain "fear" comes from is not being dominated by rational thought. It just takes over - and we fail epically. What should be understood here is that all areas of the brain should stop and realize who they are in the processing mix, and just follow the leader - the left hemisphere. As said, they will ALWAYS pop in with their 2-cents worth, but the bottom line is that the left hemisphere needs to take all data from them under advisement only.
The only other approach that needs scrutiny, is your line: "... if in fact (and I think it is) we are co creators of our own futures ... then to be scared of what might happen is counter productive to our outcome....if we focus on the positive it doesn't mean we are sticking our heads in the sand, it means we are rising above fear." To a certain extent that is true (and to say I THINK it is - is scary), however, to UNDERSTAND HOW the process works is a much better approach. You can tell a person not to fear - or, you can explain the bio-mechanics behind the process. Explanations lead to understanding, and by simply paying attention to what goes on in your head, you begin to see what's going on in general, and you can make the necessary changes in your approach.
It is very clear to many that things in our world are changing. It will not all be peaches and cream and fluffy bunnies.....but it will not all be in vain either. It is needed changes to relieve the stresses put upon some much and many. Many have known of this impending change to come for some time...even though we look for signs that it isn't going to happen. Naturally we don't want these changes, but if you understand why the need is there then it makes it more acceptable.
What I see is a naturally occurring cyclical cosmic event - it has been here before, it will be here again. What is going on with TPTB is another story, but seemingly connected.
That is where I am , more accepting, embracing actually...but everyone needs to be prepared for things to change in possible ways that cannot be imagined. And I'm not referring to doomsday or destruction here, think bigger and broader on that . Nevertheless it will rock the foundations of many. Whether that be literal or metaphorically I cannot say.
The only thing I can "think" is what I have in my head, and that is based on over 50 years of experiences. We are going to get hit with same event that has hit here before, only this time we have created a world with "things" that are dependent on electrical energy - and that's the first thing going bye-bye. How many nuclear power plants are there globally? How many trucks deliver food and fuel? Nothing is going to run. It's over. Imagine a meltdown at every nuclear power plant ... I have a hunch this is why it was called "the end of the road."
Now instead of trying to psycho analyze my perspectives respectfully, please continue with what you have figured out about this whole thing. (I assure you I am in a good place , and it isn't me I worry about.) And this is NOT an end of world scenario, I do not believe we are at the end of the road. We are at the beginning. (I know some are going to think this is new age stuff but this is actually old stuff. It's been here for many a years, and some presently here have been guided to assist in this in some fashion or another.I can only speak for my own experiences that are not lies or fabrications , I can only share what I know to be right and true and will not say anything that is elaborated or I am not 100 % sure of. Those who know me here know I've never came forward like this until now. And no, I don't have it all figured out, just a piece to add to the puzzle.)
This isn't an attempt to psychoanalyze you or anyone else for that matter ... the only thing I am doing is being logical and consistent - following the bouncing ball of hard data. We are not stupid - we simply are not thinking correctly. Anything I bring up is going to be in the same context - this is going to be bad ... and we are not ready.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2012 15:11:05 GMT -6
I absolutely agree with you Charles..our own destiny is much at hand and bottom lines are not drawn until....that big dude who decides such things..does and according to him ..he's the only one who knows when. I'm comfortable with that. My faith lends me no fear of the hear after because I know there is one. Our end here on earth or our salvation, I do not believe will be at the hands of an alien civilization. I think in the natural course of things those who have completed tasks here..pass on...be it walking down the stairs tomorrow to do my laundry or..something a bit more peculiar. For someone else it will be a drive by shooting..much closer to home. I understand curiosity..above and beyond..but I also know well the spiritual fabric that lives throughout. The values we need have to come from within. Or so I've come to believe. When I 'hear' voices it's always been to be obeyed and moves me to a next step. A neighbor who needs help or something that I need to see or feel. To not follow is to lose the opportunity. But I'm not likely to be following any advice from 'entities' such as I met. I'm so happy to see the input here..and more than happy to hear others coming out with their own beliefs..sharing what they see. Thanks again Charles..you always make the day uplifted and bright and that is something not easy to do ;D I'm so happy you shared Onlychild. We all struggle with beliefs we have that are fostered from experiences we have had. What seems very logical to you..might not to someone else and yet will reach another. We will be as ready...as we need to be I believe
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Post by onlychild on Apr 15, 2012 15:57:39 GMT -6
I'm so happy you shared Onlychild. We all struggle with beliefs we have that are fostered from experiences we have had. What seems very logical to you..might not to someone else and yet will reach another. We will be as ready...as we need to be I believe Well, good luck with that ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2012 16:08:53 GMT -6
I've been thinking about the topic a lot this morning and wondering what I would do differently if it were true. I'm not trying to be one of the 'barking dogs' you hate so Only Child but we do encourage people here to discuss so that conversations are never just one sided. There was way too much of that on the other forums. Ours isn't always a logical universe even though we do our best to turn it into one..and I love that about it..that it's open to change and divine intervention and the supernatural. I'm good friends with a couple of physicists (talk about logic) and I think pure logic is way to 'direct' for our universe. I think I have them moving toward the dark side though ;D If I knew...great streams of accelerated protons and electrons were about to nuke us? I'd still try to make sure my very sick husband had the best day he could have without having to worry about that. Next..I'd gather up my kids and make them whatever amazing dinner they wanted and I'd wait..to see. Because until that hammer falls..there is always hope or there is always the next phase of existence. I wouldn't change much. I'd talk with the Creator a bit and let him know I know it's in his hands and what ever he picks is ok with me. Would I want to know if there wasn't anything I could personally do to change it? Nope...I don't want to be in that movie where they all killed their kids then lived
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Post by sunbow on Apr 15, 2012 16:47:17 GMT -6
There is a parallel universe theory of physics, very hypothetical: however I believe that we each live in our own universe, parallel to each other, running along similar course, but a unique perspective. Words fall short of getting at the reality and even though they are a good tool, they confuse the essence.
Science is an attempt to view a subset of reality in a logical way, but in error excludes the paranormal and the spiritual. Science is still a useful tool, but we must all search our hearts. The logic of the world being flat has been expanded, just so, the logic of living in 3 dimensions (or 4 by including time, as mysterious as time is) will also fall.
Many here have seen examples of glimpsing the future in their lives, yet we also say we dream or intend the future into existence. I am contemplating the relation of these two ways of looking at things.
Thank you all for your posts.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 15, 2012 16:49:55 GMT -6
I've been thinking about the topic a lot this morning and wondering what I would do differently if it were true. I'm not trying to be one of the 'barking dogs' you hate so Only Child but we do encourage people here to discuss so that conversations are never just one sided. There was way too much of that on the other forums. Ours isn't always a logical universe even though we do our best to turn it into one..and I love that about it..that it's open to change and divine intervention and the supernatural. I'm good friends with a couple of physicists (talk about logic) and I think pure logic is way to 'direct' for our universe. I think I have them moving toward the dark side though ;D
The barking dogs are the antagonists in forums - there's a group think mentality and they are the guard dogs of the belief ... intelligent discussions I love, and this is the first time no one has thrown something my way. If I knew...great streams of accelerated protons and electrons were about to nuke us? I'd still try to make sure my very sick husband had the best day he could have without having to worry about that. Next..I'd gather up my kids and make them whatever amazing dinner they wanted and I'd wait..to see. Because until that hammer falls..there is always hope or there is always the next phase of existence. I wouldn't change much. I'd talk with the Creator a bit and let him know I know it's in his hands and what ever he picks is ok with me. Would I want to know if there wasn't anything I could personally do to change it? Nope...I don't want to be in that movie where they all killed their kids then lived OK - but what if there was no - creator? And believe me, if you think I have never walked that line - think again.
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Post by lois on Apr 15, 2012 17:22:01 GMT -6
Fear is a very big word and makes the body react in different ways. As for me I don't seem to fear the way I did as a much younger person. It has always been said. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. So I stopped fearing a very long time ago. It does change ones life for the best by far. A total change is made. When a love one is sick I don't fear. I guess it is my spiritual upbringing. I was not afraid of the craft at all I walked up to. I was not afraid of what they might do to me. I only fear a little when its power became to much to bare. But even then I said back off Lois and I did.
There are many things in this world to fear, but where does it get a person. They gain nothing . It will destroy ones body physically in time. I do feel hate . who doesn't . Just read the news every morning.
My telepathic thoughts from alien beings are thoughts not voices but you know where it comes from in a instance. They alter your mind and make the physical body feel chances at the time these thoughts inter your mind. Other thoughts do not have this baring on me at all.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 15, 2012 17:46:40 GMT -6
Fear is a very big word and makes the body react in different ways. As for me I don't seem to fear the way I did as a much younger person. It has always been said. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. So I stopped fearing a very long time ago. It does change ones life for the best by far. A total change is made. When a love one is sick I don't fear. I guess it is my spiritual upbringing. I was not afraid of the craft at all I walked up to. I was not afraid of what they might do to me. I only fear a little when its power became to much to bare. But even then I said back off Lois and I did. There are many things in this world to fear, but where does it get a person. They gain nothing . It will destroy ones body physically in time. I do feel hate . who doesn't . Just read the news every morning. My telepathic thoughts from alien beings are thoughts not voices but you know where it comes from in a instance. They alter your mind and make the physical body feel chances at the time these thoughts inter your mind. Other thoughts do not have this baring on me at all. I call them intrusive thoughts - they come from out of nowhere, once in a blue moon and for me the context tells you whether it's just you own mind (a eureka moment) or - something else Fear is necessary in the overall picture, but not to the point where it dominates like it does in children.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 15, 2012 19:18:52 GMT -6
No disrespect intended for being so blunt, but I'd really like to move on to that hard data you keep mentioning instead of going around with the way we should think. I actually think we are more on the same page than you realize with this...it IS a critical part of the equation. But for now let's move on shall we?
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Post by onlychild on Apr 15, 2012 20:05:09 GMT -6
OK ... we can get a fresh start tomorrow. I will say there is an aspect of this that's going to go over like a lead balloon if you are Christian. I was too - about 1/4 of my library was devoted to the study - I was serious and wanted to know the truth. So if you think you are going to have a problem with this - remember .. it's all about how we think, and the topic is subject continuance - Christianity is a part of the ET picture we lost.
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Post by lois on Apr 15, 2012 21:50:11 GMT -6
From the very moment I knew the ships and the visitors were real.. I had no problem confusing the two. Divine power includes all to me. And the Aliens who ever they are .. are all part of a much larger picture.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2012 23:31:14 GMT -6
But..there is a Creator..God does exist. I have died and I have seen. And from that point forward many are the messages and 'words' I've had with him, but what I've seen or heard was mine to share with but a few who'd believe it..not for everyone. That part of our lives is entirely faith of course...and every single one of us has to approach that for themselves. Even a lack of faith or belief may have it's function. I know that our paths are not all the same nor are our realities. Experiences we come onto are chosen to give the life lessons we have asked for. Sun Bow..I think there are realities beyond count. I think these realities vibrate just fractions apart from one another and sometimes the vibration is close enough that we glimpse or maybe even fall through. That's why ours isn't purely logical a universe..there are way too many doors for that I think
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