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Post by onlychild on Apr 19, 2012 12:31:20 GMT -6
I like BTRIM: Beyond this room is more. I endorse that 100%. And besides us and our earth is more. Much much more. When you get to "right" and "wrong" I step back. Right for whom? Wrong according to ....the lab rat? Or cat or rabbit or dog or....free range human subjects?
I agree, hence the approach HAS to be according to how the brain works, are we doing it correctly, and if not - can we change what's going on up there? In that link I posted, the idea to begin with is simple and here is based on the triune brain theory. Research tells us that the information we learn passes through our brain's limbic system, the center of our emotion, and, the controller of survival functions (i.e., the "fight-or-flight" response). As a result, our learning process is geared toward survival and is driven by emotion. Information which is not important emotionally to us never makes it through to the long-term memory.Now when I look at that picture, I USED to do things like that, but, I changed. And in this case "change" simply has to do with those lower parts of the brain kind of "realizing" who they are in the mix, and agreeing to not dominate the thinking picture. They CAN have their say - add to the picture in whatever way they want, but the left hemisphere of the neo-cortex HAS TO have the final word. In my earlier experiences, there was no hard data to deal with, hence I called them "entertainment only events", or Piaget called schema ... they were pictures I could fall back on, and actually build from - but in and of themselves they were virtually pointless. So actually, ET's approach is a "we gotta do it / constructivist" approach, and I would guess it's because 1) we can if we try, and 2) we screwed this up - so - we gotta fix it. We treat the others here (Earth) who share substancial amounts of same dna with us, horribly. I just signed a petition elsewhere to ask Tim Horton's not to sell pork that is produced using "gestation crates". That is, the sow cannot turn around, cannot change sides that she lays on. The piglets are out of reach - are never nuzzled, touched, in any way allowed to be natural beings with a mother. They can nurse. After however many weary cycles of that - her protein is recycled. Being picked up by a blue beam and put down again in one's own bed seems trivial compared to that. Sometimes (as a supposedly spiritual intelligent being), to quote John Cougar Mellancamp, "I can't STAND myself."
When money dominates the picture, caring goes out the window. The picture is being created by people who are full blown sociopaths ... they don't care because they can't care - the mid-brain is not functioning - there is no emotional connection. All they want is everything they can get, in any way they can get it. When normal people are forced to work within that structure, acquired sociopathic traits pop up. It isn't that they can't care, they are being forced look out for themselves, and THAT is a problem. The big problem in this would be, after they have all the money, what's left ... only one thing - the planet. Since the picture looks at us and curses our existence, I wonder what's going to happen? According to a side picture I was looking at in the Red Serpent document (and I can't prove this, but it is weird), if you take the 12 Ages of the great year, give them a fixed mathematical formula as structure (in this case the Maya Long Count) and run one great year according to that fixed number of years (which is actually 33 years off the scientific average) you run into a problem at the end, because Aquarius ENDS on the 2012 date. But, if you add one extra sign, like they did in the Red Serpent text, Ophiuchus, the "dawning" of the Age of Aquarius BEGINS on the 2012 date. Does that mean anything? I've seen references, but have no solid proof. This presents a possible viable picture - but how would YOU handle it?
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Post by onlychild on Apr 19, 2012 13:16:36 GMT -6
I was going to make a long post on this, but the final word only has to do with one thing - HOW the brain works, and WHY we see what we see as processed cognitive conclusions. If we use a riding lawn mower on the highway to get to work, we can do it - it'll roll along, but, there are going to be problems. Everything must be used according to design - and that includes the brain. This was an "experience" - I failed - I learned my lesson.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 20:50:30 GMT -6
And I still say that the FINAL word lies with God or the Universe or the Great Spirit..what ever anyone wants to call it. The final word will never lay with humanity but we are an arrogant lot and we tend to believe we're the ones pulling the strings and performing the miracles. What's the old saying? I know just enough...to get me into trouble ;D
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Post by skywalker on Apr 19, 2012 21:24:31 GMT -6
I was going to make a long post on this, but the final word only has to do with one thing - HOW the brain works, and WHY we see what we see as processed cognitive conclusions. If we use a riding lawn mower on the highway to get to work, we can do it - it'll roll along, but, there are going to be problems. Everything must be used according to design - and that includes the brain. This was an "experience" - I failed - I learned my lesson. Whether or not you failed depends on what your agenda was. If you were trying to make everybody think like you then you probably have failed. If you were trying to make people think then you probably succeeded. The second choice would be the best one either way. I still haven't had time to read this entire thread because I have been mr busy bee. I'll see if I can get caught up on it.
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Post by lois on Apr 19, 2012 21:57:08 GMT -6
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Post by lois on Apr 19, 2012 22:07:21 GMT -6
The mortal mind will decease in time. How much a person gains to understand about their spiritual mind is where the truth lies. Truth is not in matter. He made us in his image, many will think God has two legs two arms and a head .. He made us from his spiritual image . We all have it. but very few gain the understanding of it. So like Jo says in the end it will have the last say..
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Post by lois on Apr 19, 2012 22:36:31 GMT -6
One thing about this thread the world needs to come together as one. But it won't be done with are material minds. Most Countries have little in common to say the least. Reagan was right about coming together if there ever was a Alien threat. But that is not what makes things all harmonious. Joined to fight , that is all that would mean.
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Post by plutronus on Apr 20, 2012 1:08:30 GMT -6
I've always felt like RC Christian was code for Rosicrucian , personally. Although I do agree with much of what the guide stones say, and even too the book excerpts you've provided, I do feel that there is a sinister feel to it all...I do not think it is anyone's place to decide how many children each of us should have, but I do see a need for the lessening of a population due to the strains that are now (and have been ) on us worldwide. All of this reminds me a lot of the conversations Billy Meier had with the Plearians about how we need to be more responsible in how many offspring we produce in order to keep the balance. I wonder if whomever constructed the guide stones had taken a page from those teachings or may have spoke to some of them their self... I would like for all of you to take time to watch the THRIVE docu. that I posted, it has as much to do with this as anything, maybe more. And it is (I think) a very important message and large bit of knowledge (some of it potentially dangerous knowledge) that everyone should know if ever we are to change anything happening to our world and everything on it. Ok OC let's cut to the chase here for a minute.......you seem to be of the mind that what's coming can't be changed. I am of the mind that 'we' can change or alter any event if we set our minds to it...so bottom line, in your opinion are we doomed? And if so, what's the point in spreading this knowledge of this great mystery and mix up or rather lost information to anyone? Surely there must be hope in there somewhere.... :D I mean, what's the point in waking up to what has been and is happening all around us if there is no chance of changing it's outcome? I finally understand 'why' I am here in this moment in time, in history, and to me , it isn't because we are doomed, it is because whatever is coming will change the world 'as we know it' and this is a good thing in my mind. Hey Steve, here's a thought, why don't you have Mary ask Han in your next session, what he thinks about the super wave or gas cloud coming and what our future looks like... :/ Maybe he can give some insight into it a little further. I really feel like this needs to all be spelled out to where it is understandable. Once we can all make sense of it then we can do something about it... As for what Sunbow mentioned, I think there was assistance in the indigenous' knowledge from space faring ppl. in order to understand and create the extensive calenders and reference that they used to these events. But, I still do not understand OC you're statement about an agreement or that ET's came to help after the last super wave event...what did they do to help? What type of agreement or whatever was there? Also, do you think this agreement is still in effect? PeaceCitizen K, >I've always felt like RC Christian was code for Rosicrucian , personally. To my knowledge we don't sign "RC Christian", while many Rosicrucians are also Christians, many are not, in fact we include within our rank all dominations. "R+C" is shorthand for signing 'Rosicrucian', and it is the method that I use to disclose to others that I am a Rosicrucian Order member and Mystical student. plutronusR+C[/size]
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 1:16:09 GMT -6
Wise words intrepid leader Sky
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 20, 2012 1:52:09 GMT -6
Plutronus; thank you yes, I think in his case he signed it that way to say to others I am rosicrucian without coming right out and saying it while to others it appears to be a genuine name...would like to know more about how you ended up in this particular mystery school. I too have studied the mystery schools and take with me daily much that I have learned from them. Actually, reading a book called "The Secret Doctrine" by Madame Blavatsky is what really sent me searching them out. I now have a few of her books, she was certainly ahead of her time in thought and the feminine role in knowledge. (at least as far as very many taking it on seriously.) OnlyChild; I must say that I disagree with your statement that the problem is the brain...to the extent that it really isn't the way we think so much but whether or not we are receptive to the voice and guidance that is in our head, and that isn't the brain, that is consciousness. Once we all understand consciousness better , we move forward as a race of beings who have a real chance at real changes. (imho) You still haven't really shared what you have figured out, unless it is this whole brain business and how we think ... holding on to the triune brain theory alone is holding you back. Research has barely scratched the surface of understanding the brain, let alone the conscious mind...I agree we need to think differently as a whole , as united beings. And that is gradually happening. Perhaps you aren't getting your point across clearly to me? Or perhaps you really haven't stretched your brain quite far enough yet? (I mean you no disrespect in asking) Do you understand consciousness and how to listen to the voice, to your guide? We all have them, we just don't all listen or take time to learn where they send us to learn. I'd like to think we can move on with this topic instead of being at a stand still with all the back and forth over little words here or there and dissecting others' thoughts/ words to the point of not getting anywhere at all. I looked over the link you provided and see nothing there I haven't already read and/or spent a lot of time on in the past. Maybe others learned something from it and that is great if they did. I was just hoping for more from this conversation than what has taken place so far. Peace
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Post by onlychild on Apr 20, 2012 7:49:04 GMT -6
OnlyChild; I must say that I disagree with your statement that the problem is the brain...to the extent that it really isn't the way we think so much but whether or not we are receptive to the voice and guidance that is in our head, and that isn't the brain, that is consciousness. Once we all understand consciousness better , we move forward as a race of beings who have a real chance at real changes. The picture is akin to a child saying (in essence) "I don't WANT to do things like that, I want to do them MY way." Do you not realize that this "inner guidance" and what's going on regarding "proper thinking" MUST MEET? A child as they grow up would love to have mommy and daddy think for them as they become adults, and we have seen that picture in tv shows where the 20-something dude is still living in the basement of his parents house, doing what he wants, hasn't grown up. Let me explain this ... how long do you think it will take before you realize that this "voice and guidance in your head" wants you to move out of the basement and get your own life? If you think I don't understand this you are mistaken - the idea is to stand on your own two feet and live YOUR life correctly. We were screwed out of this one simple explanation because no one ever taught us. It's a constructivist picture, which simply means YOU put the picture together. In that link I supplied Campbell's "Hero's Journey" is used as a foundation, and the idea of that journey is to get from point A to point B, at which time you are the thing this "inner guidance" was pointing to. In my "inner guidance" days, that exact topic was used - was in my head as I woke up one morning. I had heard of the book back in the '70s, but never read it. Twenty years later, because of what I woke up with, I finally read it. This "inner guidance" isn't there to hold your hand like a child all of your life - it's there to get you to a place where you stand on your own two feet and walk your own life. It's at this point you need to understand how your brain works, and if you think researchers don't get it - think again. Yes, the complexities of the structure itself, along with the terminology used, can fry you regarding understanding. BUT, the simple approach for us is the triune brain approach, and that approach explains everything you need to know about what is going on between your ears. In my observations regarding "growing up" I use what I call the decade approach, where every 10 years there is a change to the cognitive approach called thinking. Single digit age children are all about them and what they can get. Next decade, the "teen years" creates a better approach, and there is a split between the guys and gals, where the gals enter puberty and their emotional mid-brain comes on line more because in the ancient days we didn't live very long, children needed to be born early, and someone needed an emotional tie to those children. Since the mid-brain is "smarter" than the r-complex we are coming from as a prepubescent child, we see the picture where "girls are more mature than boys". If you have ever watched shows like "World's Dumbest" or "Dumbest Stuff on Wheels", WHO DOES THIS STUPID STUFF all the time ... the girls? Nope - the boys. Girls are "smarter". LOL ... From this point the jump to the neocortex has to be made - and this can take awhile without guidance. For the girls - their 30's - for the guys - their late 30's to early 40s. My "inner guidance" stopped when it felt I could stand on my own two feet, which is the picture for everyone who is aware of that guidance. Once in a blue moon I will hear from - whoever - but I'm on my own now, which is where we all need to be. You still haven't really shared what you have figured out, unless it is this whole brain business and how we think ... holding on to the triune brain theory alone is holding you back. Research has barely scratched the surface of understanding the brain, let alone the conscious mind...I agree we need to think differently as a whole , as united beings. And that is gradually happening. Perhaps you aren't getting your point across clearly to me? Or perhaps you really haven't stretched your brain quite far enough yet? (I mean you no disrespect in asking) Or maybe it's time to move out of the basement? Do you understand consciousness and how to listen to the voice, to your guide? We all have them, we just don't all listen or take time to learn where they send us to learn.
Exactly - but this isn't a life long togetherness thing ... this is a "grow up and get your own life" thing. The "guide" guides ... you learn, and get to the point where you are all grown up and now YOU play guide. I'd like to think we can move on with this topic instead of being at a stand still with all the back and forth over little words here or there and dissecting others' thoughts/ words to the point of not getting anywhere at all. I looked over the link you provided and see nothing there I haven't already read and/or spent a lot of time on in the past. Maybe others learned something from it and that is great if they did. I was just hoping for more from this conversation than what has taken place so far.Well, reconsider one more time. The snag in this is not seeing that we have jumped 2 levels of brain development so far as we "grew up", and there is one more to go. The end result is the discovery that "our guide" knew stuff and tried to teach us - the neocortex approach to "thinking" should show you that this is how WE process information, and the end result is the acquisition of information via hard data, making US the guides for those who are still "living in the basement".
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Post by onlychild on Apr 20, 2012 8:00:57 GMT -6
I was going to make a long post on this, but the final word only has to do with one thing - HOW the brain works, and WHY we see what we see as processed cognitive conclusions. If we use a riding lawn mower on the highway to get to work, we can do it - it'll roll along, but, there are going to be problems. Everything must be used according to design - and that includes the brain. This was an "experience" - I failed - I learned my lesson. Whether or not you failed depends on what your agenda was. If you were trying to make everybody think like you then you probably have failed. If you were trying to make people think then you probably succeeded. The second choice would be the best one either way. I still haven't had time to read this entire thread because I have been mr busy bee. I'll see if I can get caught up on it. All one needs to see here, using Campbell's picture, is that we get caught up in this "heavenly bliss"picture with the "guide" and we DON'T WANT to enter the phase of "the return to the world we left behind". We have to. There's no if's, and's or but's about it. This is why Campbell said, with regard to the "return to the world" part of this picture and having to deal with "people" who have no clue: "The easy thing is to commit the whole community to the devil and retire again into the heavenly rock dwelling, close the door, and make it fast."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 10:21:27 GMT -6
Only Child ..your manner of treating people is becoming rude. Semi polite ways of telling people they're igannant is still telling people they are igannant and NO ONE here has any right to judge others. Please keep this in mind during your discourse on our forum. Everyone is welcome here so long as they treat others with respect. If people (multiples) are missing your point then polish your point don't try to polish the readers. I am sure you have discovered something of importance to you..and you see it in all clarity but not all minds think alike..even great ones..we have different ways of processing and we are individuals..which is a precious gift. Try just cutting to the chase and using less metaphor?? "People I have made this discovery..we're all going to be blown to bits by a giant plasma wave but if we just alter our neuron pathways we can psychically move it aside and it will hit Jupiter instead." Naturally that iis fiction but..if something is put simply generally people will grasp it. Please be kind to the others here in the process. Jo
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Post by onlychild on Apr 20, 2012 11:50:28 GMT -6
Only Child ..your manner of treating people is becoming rude. Really? I wonder how long you would have lasted with MY teachers?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 14:24:26 GMT -6
I'm relatively certain that isn't the point. You are sharing a viewpoint not instructing a class and the rules of the forum are to respect the rights and views of others. We all get along better that way don't you think??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 15:29:37 GMT -6
I'm relatively certain that isn't the point. You are sharing a viewpoint not instructing a class and the rules of the forum are to respect the rights and views of others. We all get along better that way don't you think?? I agree. Onlychild is beginning to remind me of a former member who went around sexually harassing the women here and spewing libel against two of the investigators here. I wonder if he is the same person?
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Post by onlychild on Apr 20, 2012 15:53:37 GMT -6
I'm relatively certain that isn't the point. You are sharing a viewpoint not instructing a class and the rules of the forum are to respect the rights and views of others. We all get along better that way don't you think?? I agree. Onlychild is beginning to remind me of a former member who went around sexually harassing the women here and spewing libel against two of the investigators here. I wonder if he is the same person? I find the way people think fascinating - the closer one gets to perceived "danger" the more weapons come out of the closet. No, I am not whoever it is you are referring to, and as far as "instructing a class" I find it odd that the kids in my high school class years back all said: "We like you - you tell it like it is." Now what could be the difference between children and adults in this picture? Hmm .... Understand something, if there are parameters for me in this, it would come from when I was six - and all I am supposed to do is TELL people things ... that's it. Everything else is YOUR responsibility. We are snagged on this issue, which is the only reason it has continued on this long. If every kind of ET had a completely different approach in the universe, intelligence and logic would be the common language.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 16:40:00 GMT -6
Only Child said: "I find the way people think fascinating - the closer one gets to perceived "danger" the more weapons come out of the closet."
My response to that: I don't perceive you or anyone else on this forum as a danger. You don't frighten me my dear.
I simply think you are a rude and arrogant person who expects people to faun over you like the children you attended high school with.
You see- this is the difference between children and adults. Children are easily swayed from their opinions and ideas. This is why religious leaders, drug dealers, the US military and political radicals try to indoctrinate young adults (teenagers). It's easier to persuade teenagers because young people are too naive to understand what is being said as it pertains to them and the world they live in.
Adults have more life experience and are able to see flaws in what people say which children are unable to understand due to their life inexperience.
Only Child said: "No, I am not whoever it is you are referring to, and as far as "instructing a class" I find it odd that the kids in my high school class years back all said: "We like you - you tell it like it is." Now what could be the difference between children and adults in this picture? Hmm ...."
Good. I'm glad you are not who I thought you were. You just remind me of him for some reason...
Only Child said: "Understand something, if there are parameters for me in this, it would come from when I was six - and all I am supposed to do is TELL people things ... that's it."
You can tell us whatever you want- just don't be rude and condescending about it. I have never met an adult who listens to a six year old and takes him seriously however... ~laugh~
You can tell us your perspective- that's fine. Making snide comments and making fun of people is unnecessary- of course being a bully can make you seem like a strong person to teenagers. Bullying is a common problem with adolescents and children because of how rapidly it spreads and is absorbed into the social atmosphere of young adults who are constantly learning new things and changing their minds. I think this also might have something to do with how well-received you were with your former adolescent peers.
Only Child said: "Everything else is YOUR responsibility."
That is correct. We can disagree with you if we desire to. Calling people names and insulting them because they disagree with you is not going to change their minds my dear. It simply serves to make you look like an arrogant narrow-minded bully who is unreceptive to differing viewpoints.
I think you need to realize that you are addressing adults and you are addressing them as though they were children. This is why you are not being very well received here- because of your snotty "I am the teacher- you are the students therefore I am right and you are wrong" attitude.
I think perhaps you should spend less time with teenagers and more time with grown people professor.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 20, 2012 20:32:33 GMT -6
I don't know where you get your lessons from Only Child but I'll tell you something that you could use is an understanding that once you learn to listen to your guides you ARE coming back to the world we left behind...you never outgrow your guides or learning and expanding our minds. When you think you have or do then you are lost to your own recourse... So far I really haven't heard anything from you of value to further my learning. And I am always open to new ideas. However, all I have seen is an arrogance of thinking that just because people do not agree with your thoughts thus far, that they must be pulling out their "weapons". Dude, there are NO weapons here, merely people disagreeing with what you have presented to this point. Now if you want to get to a point, then do it. Otherwise, this is a waste of my time. You remind me of someone we used to know on Mufon named Jim, he would try to chuck a bunch of how the bible was wrong stuff down everyone's throat but if they tried to actually have a conversation with him he would dance around it, just like you do...if this is truly a topic of continuance then you need to "continue" or move on to other topics imho. This has proved to be futile thus far. My patience are wearing and I won't be participating any further if this isn't going to be a mature conversation. Peace All
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 22:26:21 GMT -6
I was going to make a long post on this, but the final word only has to do with one thing - HOW the brain works, and WHY we see what we see as processed cognitive conclusions. If we use a riding lawn mower on the highway to get to work, we can do it - it'll roll along, but, there are going to be problems. Everything must be used according to design - and that includes the brain. This was an "experience" - I failed - I learned my lesson. Whether or not you failed depends on what your agenda was. . . . . I still haven't had time to read this entire thread because I have been mr busy bee. I'll see if I can get caught up on it. Hi. I started at page one and am actively trying to "get up to speed", but decided to stop at skywalker's busy bee comment. OC- I'm having no trouble agreeing with you so far. I do not like my life being "controlled" by my emotions (including my learning ) and have made active adjustments to correct my thinking. I.E. my emotions should follow my will and not the other way around (for example). I also have a son who took an adventure into atheism for 2 yrs, and some issues of my own, and so I understand that any references to G_d can be myth-related, and speaking of Him could becompared to the relevance of believing in a "flying clown". I am also familiar with the term "magical thinking" which is relevant to cause and effect based thinking. With the data now known according to both land based evidence (earth changes) and astronomy/astrology that has been studied for years, we are on the verge of a naturally occurring, population diminishing event. Though humans are making large leaps and bounds in the way of possibly reducing effects of natural phenomenon, they are still going to happen. Last but not least, have you read "Uriels Machine"? I am especially fond of the presentation of facts overlooked. Like archaeologists always wanting to turn to the "tomb theory" just because of a few bones.....when a structure may have several purposes. Great presentation of the Giza plateau on your part and others . Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 23:15:15 GMT -6
Only Child..if the majority of souls here see the same thing in you..then maybe you need to present your message a bit differently because you're driving your audience away. The biggest rule of all..is to remember we are ONLY messengers and act accordingly. By nature humanity is arrogant, carrying the weight of ego that we fight to tame. Your students may have loved you or may have been too intimidated to tell you otherwise or perhaps you were a better teacher then than you are now. Jesus was a very humble teacher and reached an entire world. ;D
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Post by ufo4peace on Apr 20, 2012 23:18:01 GMT -6
I hate to say this but people are no different than a monkey or a rat. It's one reason we experiment on monkey's and mice in a cage. Nature is very cruel. We make a huge deal over terrorism but no matter what you think about our defense-laden government's scare tacticts using terrorism more people each year will die in car accidents then they will in a terrorist attack in the US. A used car salesman is more of a threat to you lthan Al Queda. History repeats itself. Crazy Horse was the enemy and now it's those radical Muslims who hide out it caves or the hills where there are tremendous resources. So we try and make ourselves feel better with grown up fiction. The messiah will return, a spirit guide is looking over me etc., ect. It's the access of evil. Good vs evil nonsense. The truth is you are just an animal and a lot of other animals suffer a very cruel death so you can have bacon with your eggs in the morning. Religion is and has always been a control mechanism. It's musch better for scoiety as a whole to have morals and act civil. That is the role of religious institution. The literal meaning of course is not true.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 0:24:24 GMT -6
I believe you mean "Axis" of evil rather than "Access" my dear. Your igannance is showing again.
As far as the subject of believing in fiction goes UFO4peace, your sexist attitude against women is based on fiction. The lies you spewed earlier about two of the investigators on this forum were also fiction. I just thought I would remind you of that my dear... I suppose this makes you an expert on grown up fiction... since you spew it yourself and expect others to believe it... lol... ;D
So what exactly is it that you trying to express UFO?
...are you trying to say we should all become vegan atheists?
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 21, 2012 1:13:55 GMT -6
Well here's something to add to the mix of the topic continuance........and all I have to say about it at this time is that all is not lost and love IS the answer. Peace (um Lorelei? not meaning to get off topic, but I have no clue what you are speaking of in your last post, who said "access" instead of "axis" And when did UFO make sexist remarks? I didn't see anything on this thread from him except for that one comment...I'm so confused. :/ )
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 2:04:37 GMT -6
Well here's something to add to the mix of the topic continuance........and all I have to say about it at this time is that all is not lost and love IS the answer. Peace (um Lorelei? not meaning to get off topic, but I have no clue what you are speaking of in your last post, who said "access" instead of "axis" And when did UFO make sexist remarks? I didn't see anything on this thread from him except for that one comment...I'm so confused. :/ ) He mentions the "access of evil" in his most recent post if you read it you will see it. As far as the sexist remarks, he made them on other threads awhile before you came back to the forum and was booted for his behavior. For some reason he's back on here and posting again... I'm not going to be nice to a man (or should I say boy) who called me a "bimbo" simply because he didn't like my opinions. I would absolutely love to meet him somewhere... in a dark alley... with a baseball bat in my hands... I'd love to show him what a six foot tall muscular strong "bimbo" can do to his face... but alas- that will never happen...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 4:09:40 GMT -6
Everyone is entitled to their opinion..a lot of them need to be kept to themselves if...they want to remain on this forum.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 21, 2012 8:50:23 GMT -6
Only Child..if the majority of souls here see the same thing in you..then maybe you need to present your message a bit differently because you're driving your audience away. The biggest rule of all..is to remember we are ONLY messengers and act accordingly. By nature humanity is arrogant, carrying the weight of ego that we fight to tame. Your students may have loved you or may have been too intimidated to tell you otherwise or perhaps you were a better teacher then than you are now. Jesus was a very humble teacher and reached an entire world. ;D Rather than make a long drawn out reply to every post, let's just hit the main points. If the subtopic regards how the brain works, wouldn't the line above: ... if the majority of souls here see the same thing in you..then maybe you need to present your message a bit differently because you're driving your audience away be expected? The difference between kids and adults that I see, is that the kids are looking to learn, and adults HAVE learned. My approach to the kids was constructivist in nature, where they were expected to take what I gave them and dig deeper - and if they wanted to they did, if not, they didn't. Adults on the other hand have come to conclusions, and the return rhetoric in discussions is always presented as a challenge to what they've concluded. The "weapons in the closet" remark I made refers to defensive strategies that always pop up to protect their beliefs, rather than simply dealing with the data that constructed those beliefs. Let me paint a picture for you ... I am MUCH harder on myself than I am with people, because I know what's going on in my head, and in some cases just how deep possibilities go. But I have to deal with all possibilities no matter how the end results turn out. Jcurio sees it ... long before he read what is going on here. The "god" argument has gone on for millennia, and it's the common people who have the problem with this, not the scholars. Norman Perrin said: When Paul speaks of "we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord" (1 Thes 4:15), he clearly expects the event in his own lifetime. But 2 Thes 2:3-12 sets out an elaborate program of what must first happen before that event can occur. Not only has the apocalyptic imagery changed, but the whole tenor of the expectation is different. www.earlychristianwritings.com/2thessalonians.htmlFrom this point it's up to the student to try and figure out what is going on - and this is the approach that must be used in all subjects. I went through the cognitive dissonance part of this study - and I finally said that I would not give up my beliefs until I had the data. As time went on, I saw what was going on and made the adjustment. The surprise in this picture was that Paul was talking about the exact same topic we are dealing with here, and the only difference is the cast of characters. There is an "event" coming, and oddly, just like Paul's approach, there is no date. There will be an "arrival from the sky" - but since "the woman" never had a son, it isn't going to be Jesus and angels - it's going to be ET. Why haven't they said anything? Like jokelly said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This is OUR planet and OUR lives. WE make the decisions here ... not them. I have a feeling there were many "hints dropped" in the lives of people, they just didn't make it to the finish line. Like Landi Mellas said - "life just got in the way." All I know is that the "Nordic" wasn't happy when he returned years later; he left her in the "snowstorm" with his final comment - and just walked away. Is it true? Was this event real? Her co-author had an experience where he came from the future to visit himself - but that will never happen because he died. Oops. It's all about the data and what we do with it. I put unverified events on a shelf in my head; one sat there for 4 years and 8 months until I found a way to deal with it. Everything, from all sources, HAS to meet in the middle. If it doesn't, either someone is wrong, or, we are dealing with a con-job from space - it doesn't go any further than that, because THAT represents all of the component parts. As far as the confusion in this subject goes, it's either us or them - and my money is on "it's us".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 10:57:40 GMT -6
I understand perfectly what you are saying Only Child..I just don't agree. I'll still defend your rights to share your message as long as others here are treated with respect. Their points are no less possible, no less valid than your own. You aren't the first to come here with a 'message' for others. Not the first to have been given direction or hear 'voices'. Most of the people here are to some degree psychic and most have had encounters either spiritual or with ET's. Because you have a pressing need to instruct ..doesn't mean we have the need to be educated by you. Make the day a lovely one
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Post by onlychild on Apr 21, 2012 12:47:18 GMT -6
I understand perfectly what you are saying Only Child..I just don't agree.
That's fine - I love that approach. Present your case. Mine rests on the single fact that the end results of what I did with "16 months" was a definitive improper handling of a single piece of unconnected information. I was correct when I first opened my mouth and asked myself: 16 months to what? But because in 2004 I had never heard of thought hijacking as connected to the lower parts of the brain, I "listened" to what those lower parts said (fight or flight connected to emotion) and then considered "other" possibilities. Outcome - I fell flat on my face, and hence what I was told on the very night of failure - that "people always follow dead end roads, and never realize that they are indeed - dead ends. IT IS COMING." All of us (and I was included in that too) "need to take all of your beliefs, put them in a pile in front of you and back away." Was I told anything about the bio-mechanics behind this? No. As usual, I had to figure it out. Why figure it out at all? Because there was no way people would take a doom picture at face value - look at the problems we are having here, and this is the explanational version. As said, bottom line to everything in this is that all alleged "sources" for this type of information MUST agree. If they do not agree, we have a problem - that problem is either us, or them. My money is still on "us."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 1:06:00 GMT -6
Throughout this forum you'll find the opinions of us all.
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