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Post by onlychild on Apr 22, 2012 8:59:31 GMT -6
Throughout this forum you'll find the opinions of us all. I'm trying to have a conversation about this. People claim etheric-type sources for beliefs ... and I am one of them. The premise is, if all of these sources are real, and the data from these sources is conflicting, there is a problem. The simple explanation is that someone is wrong. The more complex answer is that these sources are real, and they are deliberately lying and confusing us. Personally I like simple ... and the tie-in is no different than people who have claimed meeting or hearing from religious characters for centuries. In the "things" that have gone on in my life, the base picture has always pointed towards history and books, and it seems "whoever" was trying to get away from the ethericky approach picture in which the mysterious voice "tells all". I had to wait until I found someone in the mental health field who was willing to take me and my experiences on (because I couldn't pay for this) and when it was over, it was the data and the way I handled it that canceled out "neuro" problems. So here we all sit, and we either deal with this, or, like having high levels of latent inhibition, we ignore it because we see it as irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 15:10:45 GMT -6
Only Child..I am not trying to insult you or hurt your feelings but in the course of your 'conversation' you've eliminated your audience. I'm sorry for that, you have some interesting ideas were your approach a bit less preachy and more conversational I think CK mentioned that it's more interesting to read a concise opinion than to be sent off to visit links and websites. It's more personal and enlightening to hear something put in your words, not quoted from other sources. I feel the same way she does..including for me Utubes..I hate the things. I'd much rather someone say..hey..this is what I believe..or this is what I saw or what do you think about so and so. THAT is conversation. It is a sharing of ideas. Basically..I don't like what you're preaching and it's not something I would subscribe to..it doesn't 'blend' with my own path, comfort zone or belief. However that doesn't mean someone else wouldn't be absolutely riveted by it..such is our freedom to choose. I absolutely encourage you to read what others feel here, know some of the encounter stories and become a little familiar with other beliefs in the forum. These are amazing and wonderful people full of ideas and experience. Give them a chance and get to know them a bit before you suggest they beam up to your comet
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Post by onlychild on Apr 22, 2012 19:47:20 GMT -6
Only Child..I am not trying to insult you or hurt your feelings but in the course of your 'conversation' you've eliminated your audience.
My feeling are not hurt - I have gone through this with people since I first opened my mouth regarding my first subject of study back in the 70s. The only difference is that today I know what I am dealing with, and it's simply high levels of Latent Inhibition. I have the direct opposite problem (although outside of reactions from people I don't consider it a problem), and that's extremely LOW levels of LI. As was said regarding this topic: Upon encountering any form of stimulus (that interests you), your mind automatically dismantles and explores its components. Simply put, my brain does not work like people want it to. Anything I get hold of winds up in pieces and every piece is looked at, analyzed, put in its proper place, and then its all reconstructed. What I see is not what everyone else sees, and yes, this is a problem because I see errors all over the place, and people cannot deal with it and shut it all out. I'm sorry for that, you have some interesting ideas were your approach a bit less preachy and more conversational I think CK mentioned that it's more interesting to read a concise opinion than to be sent off to visit links and websites.
It's more personal and enlightening to hear something put in your words, not quoted from other sources. I feel the same way she does..including for me Utubes..I hate the things. I'd much rather someone say..hey..this is what I believe..or this is what I saw or what do you think about so and so. THAT is conversation. It is a sharing of ideas. And in my world, books and any other reference material is supposed to enhance the picture. When people don't want to read, to me, that's a problem. Personally I don't like giving out web links, I would much rather send them to books ... but people don't do "books" - at least not the books I would send them to. Basically..I don't like what you're preaching and it's not something I would subscribe to..it doesn't 'blend' with my own path, comfort zone or belief. However that doesn't mean someone else wouldn't be absolutely riveted by it..such is our freedom to choose.
I agree, but all I am saying is that there is a right way and wrong way to do things, and that we are being sent off the road by thinking improperly. Like that Bacon quote that said people prefer to believe what they prefer to be true. I don't. I prefer to believe what the data has to say. Why do you think this subject is so screwed up? Following something that makes you all warm and cozy inside is not the way to do things. How many people followed Ellen White and had no clue she was the victim of a severe brain injury - hit in the head with a rock as a child and was hallucinating "beings" in her adult life. There really is no difference between our picture today, and those Adventists who followed Ellen, because both pictures deal with a total lack of information regarding causes. I absolutely encourage you to read what others feel here, know some of the encounter stories and become a little familiar with other beliefs in the forum. These are amazing and wonderful people full of ideas and experience. Give them a chance and get to know them a bit before you suggest they beam up to your comet What are the chances email notices will be fixed?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 1:16:41 GMT -6
There is always..a possibility..for just about anything if you don't limit possibilities in your mind. I don't think there IS a right or wrong way to think..there is only the way to think that is individual and precise to the individual. I think..as I am meant to think..you think as you are meant to think. If everyone were to process in the identical manner, we'd be no better than hive mentality and we would then lose the personal identity that makes us unique and special. Instead I think..many people are given pieces of a greater piece..many paths leading to the same eventual destination. My path will not be, could not be the same as yours or any one else's. You have a 'truth' that is valuable and dear to you and (as seen by you) the ONLY truth. Yet that is impossible because there are as many answers as there are grains of sand on a beach (yep..stole that one from Grasshopper). If you limit yourself to one possibility, you lose all the wonderful variations that the Creator has provided for us to experience. Mind expansion cannot be gained by subscribing to a set of mind controls. Thinking outside of the box gives you the reward of variety and isn't that the spice of life? What will come to pass..will. I may see elements of the future..just glimpses mind you because to know the future is to prepare for something that may never transpire and I would live my life according to my fears or apprehensions or..or..or. If you believe life is a constant state of flux...then worrying about what could happen makes no sense at all. THE rule..is to live the moment..as though it were the only one. Don't try to live the future..and be done with the past. NOW means something..tomorrow may never arrive and yesterday is no more. If you believe in God, and I do as naturally as I breathe..then you know that the day that dawns today is the day you are meant to concentrate on. Love your family, be a great friend and neighbor and keep your heart positive. Heck even if you don't believe in God..how can you go wrong with treating others as you would wish to be treated? Would you really spend your last days on earth worrying about how you might die or how it might feel to die or where you might go when you die....or living those days with all the fullness you might? We are finite...on this earth..we don't remember infinity because if we did..we wouldn't find each day a precious thing. ;D
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 23, 2012 1:32:15 GMT -6
wow Jo, that was really well said. OnlyChild, I personally (like most of us here) am not close minded, am not afraid of your end of the road theory, and I'm still waiting for this data...if this is something all of us should know then isn't it time you share it with us rather than all of this tit for tat ? I am genuinely interested in what you have to say, otherwise I wouldn't have suggested you come here, I wouldn't still be reading this thread, nor would I still be entering in the dialogue. Give me the data, show me the money, but not links to multiple stories to read without pointing out which ones are pertinent. Tell me what you have figured out. And then I'll tell you my theories and we can actually have a conversation about the point of this thread. So far it has only been about the right way to think and a few hints here and there about a symbol and lost knowledge, so let's start there shall we? What of this lost knowledge do we need to know? Why is the Goddess symbol so important , in your mind? Who do you think has taken or kept this knowledge from us and why? What clues or data did you find to lead you to this conclusion. I do "do" books, many of them and you may just find out that we have been looking in and reading from the same sources. We'll never know if you don't share though, will we? Peace
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Post by onlychild on Apr 23, 2012 7:53:19 GMT -6
There is always..a possibility..for just about anything if you don't limit possibilities in your mind. I don't think there IS a right or wrong way to think..there is only the way to think that is individual and precise to the individual. I think..as I am meant to think..you think as you are meant to think. OK, I admit this has dragged on a bit too far, so lets gear down and wrap it up. Why "meant"? Outside of upbringing and reactions to events in your life which alter the way we think, thinking is nothing more than the utilization of what we all have between our ears. I did not think when I was younger like I do today - none of us do. Because society is structured the way it is, if you notice, this topic is not taught - and it should be. We wander around as we grow, trying to make sense of what we see, and it shouldn't be that way - we should be taught how the brain and thinking works. All it is, is a utilization of all of the component parts involved. If everyone were to process in the identical manner, we'd be no better than hive mentality and we would then lose the personal identity that makes us unique and special.
I disagree. I say THAT is the exact reason we are in the confused mess we are in today. 5000 years ago an event happened, some people could not put 2 and 2 together properly, they were caught up in a typical (but unknown to them) state of cognitive dissonance, they didn't know what to do (but the answer WAS apparent - they just couldn't see it) and they repainted the entire picture of life. That painting spread over time, people did not have the data to deal with it - and we lost. As time went on, sociopathy entered the picture, again something we knew nothing about - and things got even worse. The idea of "processing" is nothing more than handling data correctly when the need arises, and it does not turn us into a hive mentality. I thought "differently" for years, but I still had fun, played the guitar and wrote songs, interacted with friends, went out and did things ... nothing changed. Look at it like driving a car, your going down the highway having a good time listening to the tunes YOU like ... and suddenly things get really serious (add your own scenario here). What do you do? You turn down or turn off the music, and you FOCUS more. You are analyzing what has popped up in the picture. You are - thinking. What's the best course of action? You figure it out, do what has to be done, and when it's over you crank up the tunes and go back to being you. My granddaughter's friends are shocked that "the old man" listens to dubstep. Here's a guy who has more books than they have ever seen, talks about subjects (including proper thinking) than they have ever heard - and he actually has a life like everyone else. My likes and dislikes are exactly the same as everyone else - my only difference is in critical situations - when thinking is necessary. After that, I go back to being ME. Instead I think..many people are given pieces of a greater piece..many paths leading to the same eventual destination. My path will not be, could not be the same as yours or any one else's.
I don't have a problem with that, I would just like to see the component parts and do an analysis. You have a 'truth' that is valuable and dear to you and (as seen by you) the ONLY truth. Yet that is impossible because there are as many answers as there are grains of sand on a beach (yep..stole that one from Grasshopper). If you limit yourself to one possibility, you lose all the wonderful variations that the Creator has provided for us to experience. Mind expansion cannot be gained by subscribing to a set of mind controls. Thinking outside of the box gives you the reward of variety and isn't that the spice of life?
My approach doesn't see a problem with anything if it is presented properly and the component parts all fit together. Just as you present your ideas, I too present a counter question - what if "many answers" is wrong? (Oh no Grasshopper - Master Po lied to you LOL.) What will YOU say to that? To me it's all just data, I am not perfect, if I make a mistake it's because I didn't see something - so, correction made and I'm off again. What will come to pass..will. I may see elements of the future..just glimpses mind you because to know the future is to prepare for something that may never transpire and I would live my life according to my fears or apprehensions or..or..or. If you believe life is a constant state of flux...then worrying about what could happen makes no sense at all. THE rule..is to live the moment..as though it were the only one. Don't try to live the future..and be done with the past. NOW means something..tomorrow may never arrive and yesterday is no more.
Your first sentence really contradicts the rest of your statement. SOMETHING is going to come to pass ... I wonder what that something is? I'm sure the Native people really believed the Europeans were the fulfillment of what "they" believed - and we all know how THAT turned out. In history there were beliefs held by the people, and then there was the continuation of a cause and effect scenario that actually created history as it went along. It seems, based on the picture presented as history to us, despite what one believes - the rolling rock of cause and effect created by people with an agenda is what creates our history. In my picture the exact same scenario exists ... this is an event that pops up periodically in history, and like any repetitive cause and effect scenario, it will be here again. Allegedly, this is what my experiences were about - that which has been here before is coming again. Now, either those boats out there in the water are the return of the god Kukulcan, or we are about to get invaded by something we know nothing about. All the people who have lived to date, were victims (good or bad) of the rolling rock of cause and effect DESPITE what they "believed". In the book of Revelation, John (or whoever) said THE TIME IS NIGH. Was it? No. Rome rolled right over them - and later Rome was rolled over. It doesn't stop - ever - unless you deal with the cause. If the people had overthrown Rome, the cause and effect scenario would have ended. But they chose to "believe" what was in their heads, and they died - violently. History has proven that it doesn't matter WHAT you believe, unless that belief is grounded in hard data - the rolling rock is going to get you. If you believe in God, and I do as naturally as I breathe..then you know that the day that dawns today is the day you are meant to concentrate on. Love your family, be a great friend and neighbor and keep your heart positive. Heck even if you don't believe in God..how can you go wrong with treating others as you would wish to be treated? Would you really spend your last days on earth worrying about how you might die or how it might feel to die or where you might go when you die....or living those days with all the fullness you might? We are finite...on this earth..we don't remember infinity because if we did..we wouldn't find each day a precious thing. ;DI agree - however - "someone" rang my doorbell with a Western Union message that said "Your party is about to be disrupted by something that you should have known about, but, you have lost the information. Stay tuned for details." My problem in this is that everyone thinks the white dudes in the boats out there are Kukulcan and his buds. At what point do I just give up, and like Campbell said - " ... commit the whole community to the devil and retire again into the heavenly rock dwelling, close the door, and make it fast."
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Post by onlychild on Apr 23, 2012 7:55:50 GMT -6
wow Jo, that was really well said. OnlyChild, I personally (like most of us here) am not close minded, am not afraid of your end of the road theory, and I'm still waiting for this data...if this is something all of us should know then isn't it time you share it with us rather than all of this tit for tat ? I agree - I think I said everything I am going to say in that last post. Let's finish up and move on.
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Post by auntym on Apr 23, 2012 11:17:52 GMT -6
There is always..a possibility..for just about anything if you don't limit possibilities in your mind. I don't think there IS a right or wrong way to think..there is only the way to think that is individual and precise to the individual. I think..as I am meant to think..you think as you are meant to think. If everyone were to process in the identical manner, we'd be no better than hive mentality and we would then lose the personal identity that makes us unique and special. Instead I think..many people are given pieces of a greater piece..many paths leading to the same eventual destination. My path will not be, could not be the same as yours or any one else's. You have a 'truth' that is valuable and dear to you and (as seen by you) the ONLY truth. Yet that is impossible because there are as many answers as there are grains of sand on a beach (yep..stole that one from Grasshopper). If you limit yourself to one possibility, you lose all the wonderful variations that the Creator has provided for us to experience. Mind expansion cannot be gained by subscribing to a set of mind controls. Thinking outside of the box gives you the reward of variety and isn't that the spice of life? What will come to pass..will. I may see elements of the future..just glimpses mind you because to know the future is to prepare for something that may never transpire and I would live my life according to my fears or apprehensions or..or..or. If you believe life is a constant state of flux...then worrying about what could happen makes no sense at all. THE rule..is to live the moment..as though it were the only one. Don't try to live the future..and be done with the past. NOW means something..tomorrow may never arrive and yesterday is no more. If you believe in God, and I do as naturally as I breathe..then you know that the day that dawns today is the day you are meant to concentrate on. Love your family, be a great friend and neighbor and keep your heart positive. Heck even if you don't believe in God..how can you go wrong with treating others as you would wish to be treated? Would you really spend your last days on earth worrying about how you might die or how it might feel to die or where you might go when you die....or living those days with all the fullness you might? We are finite...on this earth..we don't remember infinity because if we did..we wouldn't find each day a precious thing. ;D WOW... beautifully said jo...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 13:00:13 GMT -6
I hope Only Child..that we can have lots of conversations Thank you Auntie and CK
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 23, 2012 13:38:33 GMT -6
I'll agree that it is naive to say we believe what we believe and there is nothing wrong with that...we do need to think instead of 'just have faith', I have always had a problem with that statement "just have faith", we need to use our critical thinking skills and logically ask why and who or where and when??? These are pertinent to understanding not only our history but why we are here now, imo. There are some things I just "know", and in the past when ignoring that 'knowing' I regretted it later, but in that there is a way to measure it's authenticity as well. If I would've listened to the knowing I wouldn't have ended up in a worse mess, hence I should heed the knowing side. There is a balance to it all, the yin and yang principle if you will. You have these things you "know" that can be measured, all else should be equally measurable. Even prayer. Which in my case I have seen to happen to help in some cases and not in others, so that led me to pry into why it failed at times and not at others. I have since figured out that you have to really want it and know you deserve it in order for it to happen. You can't say, "if you see this as something you think I can have then make it so" , and expect that it will happen, it won't. You have to say "this is what I want/need " and then it will come. It's an off shoot of manifesting , the cosmos are assisting in creating your need when you are convinced of the need, when in doubt it may not work as often or be what you really wanted but something 'different'. Okay, so if I understand you correctly you are saying that there are ET's or whoever you want to call them out there , coming back to Earth and they are not going to be the saviors that some think they are , and if we do not have the info and data on what happened the last time they came that it is going to be very bad for us? Am on keeping up? So who are 'they' , what is the connection between them and us that keeps them watching this planet? What IS the data we need to know, and why are they here or coming here ? I need you to fill in some blanks...did the goddess religion dissolve from catastrophes or did someone/group do it? What is the significance to the goddess belief other than the representation of life? Why did they come in the past? Was it because they knew of the cataclysms befalling us? And if yes, then they know of future cataclysms as well, due to the timing of the event to take place with the wave/cloud? Bottom line, what DO we need to know? and Where IS the data to it?
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Post by onlychild on Apr 23, 2012 18:26:11 GMT -6
Sorry, had to run out and watch the grandkids. I'll agree that it is naive to say we believe what we believe and there is nothing wrong with that...we do need to think instead of 'just have faith', I have always had a problem with that statement "just have faith", we need to use our critical thinking skills and logically ask why and who or where and when??? These are pertinent to understanding not only our history but why we are here now, imo. Agreed. There are some things I just "know", and in the past when ignoring that 'knowing' I regretted it later, but in that there is a way to measure it's authenticity as well. If I would've listened to the knowing I wouldn't have ended up in a worse mess, hence I should heed the knowing side. There is a balance to it all, the yin and yang principle if you will. You have these things you "know" that can be measured, all else should be equally measurable. Even prayer. Which in my case I have seen to happen to help in some cases and not in others, so that led me to pry into why it failed at times and not at others. I have since figured out that you have to really want it and know you deserve it in order for it to happen. You can't say, "if you see this as something you think I can have then make it so" , and expect that it will happen, it won't. You have to say "this is what I want/need " and then it will come. It's an off shoot of manifesting , the cosmos are assisting in creating your need when you are convinced of the need, when in doubt it may not work as often or be what you really wanted but something 'different'.I have gone through this too, and the best example for everything is Campbell’s Hero’s Journey. In the beginning of the committed “journey” there IS the idea of a helper there: Supernatural Aid Once the hero has committed to the quest, consciously or unconsciously, his or her guide and magical helper appears, or becomes known. www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/smc/journey/ref/summary.htmlOkay, so if I understand you correctly you are saying that there are ET's or whoever you want to call them out there, coming back to Earth and they are not going to be the saviors that some think they are …The context of this “arrival” has to do with a cyclical destruction event we call (or Dr LaViolette calls) a galactic superwave. The event coming was half way or so here at the time of the last event around 13,000 BC. As far as “not being the saviors that some think they are” - that would depend on “what they thought they were.” There are zero details regarding WHAT is going to be done or even WHEN … I could speculate on why that is, but it would be only - speculation. In my head, I feel the best representation to ponder would be "suddenly finding yourself aboard a craft" ... this image covers the worst possible scenario regarding something that could scare the living hell out of you. I had an experience exactly like that - all I can say is be ready for the reality that earth just vanished in the distance, and everything you knew, and everyone you knew - is now GONE. If you can handle that in your head, there isn't anything else that will phase you. … and if we do not have the info and data on what happened the last time they came that it is going to be very bad for us? We don’t have anything … nothing has survived. I wanted to get in touch with the Hopi but according to what I was told - they don’t get involved with outsiders. It's "bad" because we are a world of 7 billion clueless people. Am on keeping up? So who are 'they', what is the connection between them and us that keeps them watching this planet? Yep - your doing good I would go as far as saying it’s a connection to life, they care if we were ‘wiped out’ – but there is something in this picture too that seems to not allow interference if the people involved don’t want to be involved in this. This is what happened to the Clovis people C 11,000 BC ... they had no connection, no knowledge, one can only guess what happened if ships appeared in the area. What IS the data we need to know, and why are they here or coming here?All we need to know is they are here because of what is coming, but we are in such a mess because we have lost this information that they can’t just walk in – people would freak and God knows what the gov't would do. I have a hunch that something went wrong between the gov't and ET ... hence everything that has been going on since 911. There's a sub-picture in this that SEEMS to connect to 2012 - as if TPTB are going to do something ... I just can't finalize it .. I need proof. I need you to fill in some blanks...did the goddess religion dissolve from catastrophes or did someone/group do it? There was no goddess “religion” … all this ever was, was a preserved piece of information … that’s it. What it became later is another story. We lost what we should know because the people in pre-Egypt and pre-Sumer lost it when a MINOR superwave hit here about 3300 BC. Everything would center on seeing the galactic center shine in the sky – it was dimmer, but they had nothing to compare it to. Following the main context, ET should have arrived (they believed) – no one showed up – they went into a panic – the wars between the north and south began – doctrines were questioned and eventually changed to a worship of the biggest ball of light in the sky – the sun. Ra was seen as being in the sun (his “boat”) cruising the sky every day. Over time ideas expanded and got more confusing. 5000 years later here we all are. What is the significance to the goddess belief other than the representation of life? The connection to this picture, originally, would be a linguistic representation. We were EXTREMELY right hemispheral, and a “picture” was literally worth a thousand words. The woman represented “life” (because woman is directly connected to the idea of life) in a context of destruction. Why did they come in the past? Was it because they knew of the cataclysms befalling us? And if yes, then they know of future cataclysms as well, due to the timing of the event to take place with the wave/cloud? Bottom line, what DO we need to know? and Where IS the data to it?They came then for the same reason they are here today – “It is coming.” The furthest back I can go is 40,000 BC, which also was when the goddess carvings began in earnest. As far as the superwave itself, it takes roughly 24,000+/- years to get here, and they know exactly where it is at any given time. Personally, due to the fact my experiences have taken so long, have dragged on for years, I think we have time - I can't prove that, it's just I would think if there was a rush things would have moved faster. All we need to know is this is why they are here ... "it is coming" ... we don't know about any of this because the information was trashed and doctrines rewritten, which we call the mysterious arrival of Egypt and Sumer. From that point onward, new cities sprang up and they too had "opinions" about these new gods, and it just got worse as time went on.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 23, 2012 19:59:11 GMT -6
Ok, with Cambell's theories and your own being that once we "move out of the basement" there is no need for the guide any more is far from what I can agree with. Many shaman and mystics will agree that you are never finished learning, growing, or becoming more...we are FOREVER the student, the teacher, and the magi.To think otherwise is a farce to ones self. But I will leave this alone for now to continue this process of conversation and to not get caught up in tit for tat any further, or my perspective on where Cambell is mistaken.
As for the ET'S coming/being here now, you are saying that they will not intervene and help if they aren't asked to? Such as a law of will taking place, if it is not our will to allow their help they won't or can't do anything? I have found this to be something that may very well be fact. I have studied the universal laws, the ones we know of anyway, as I have studied the Hopi belief system . Neither the ET's or the Hopi will intercede unless asked. I do feel from what I have learned of the Hopi that they do indeed have a greater understanding of what is going on , and what has past but will not be sharing this until it is vitally important for others to know. As a matter of fact, they and many other indigenous peoples have been coming forward with some of what they know and having been holding secret for so long. The Maya elder Don Alejendro has been traveling the world meeting with the other leaders of indigenous tribes for a few years now. They have had great gatherings to discuss in private what and when to tell the people of the world of what is going on. They have a knowledge that is definitely lost to the rest of us. I am drawn to them like moths to a flame...not only from my own lineage being native american but from a spiritual stand point. They are who to learn from in many areas .
I would like to hear your thoughts and assumptions of 9/11 and 2012...I have some of my own and perhaps we will find we are thinking along the same lines here. Or perhaps one of us will offer new perspective to the whole picture.
I think there is much more to the goddess mystery than we perceive at this time. The image has power in it , (as many images or symbols we see throughout history do) , so there has to be more to the story behind it. They all have a place in the puzzle.
So you are saying that the cloud or wave from the galactic center is catastrophic....I can agree with this to the extent of the word "catastrophic" meaning destruction, not complete annihilation. I have done much research on my own of this coming wave and what scientists past and present suggest it will do. From this information I have determined that while yes there will be destruction on many levels in many areas this is also a cleansing process. It is a necessity to replenish the planet and restore it to it's full health. It is also a process of growth, just as we shed our skin or or change our shape and appearance as we grow, the earth and all planets go through these phases of change as well. It is a natural cyclic process, the super wave is part of this growth process. The indigenous people know of these changes and speak freely but limited in the knowing by speaking of the "5th sun" or the "new cycles/ages" upon us or that have past. I agree with these changes coming and that they will in fact be devastating to some. This is precisely why the indigenous do not want to speak of it with those who are "not ready". They do not want to create fear. Fear is the worst thing to create at a time like this. But this is where I disagree with them (sortof) , I feel like if people aren't educated about this , and given the opportunity to role it around in their heads 'before' the event takes place then mass panic will be the result of not knowing or rather not understanding why things are happening the way they are. There are many factors at play right now. We have an awakening going on that is very real, I see it in the most unsuspecting places from the most unsuspecting people everyday now in my real life,not just on line. (today even) Then we have disasters taking place, some are natural some are results of natural events, we have potential wars rising up, economic crisis in every place on the globe, many things to factor in and keep us confused or keep our heads spinning. If we can not concentrate on what is 'really' going on and why all of these things are happening on the grand scale they are, then we are still lost to how to get through all of this and then we fail. It is in my knowing now that all must grow spiritually in order to not have fear or hate in their hearts during these times. It is important to the outcome. Especially 'IF' ET's are here to help. (which I believe they very well could be) We cannot have more in fear of them than not, in order to allow their assistance. And this is a BIG problem just for the experiencers alone. Trust is not on their priorities list for any ET race. There are many who have had very ugly experiences and do not find it hard at all to "see themselves on board a ship alone with the world and all they love gone". In fact they don't want to ever be there again....so this is a dilemma for what is needed to achieve success in the outcome. This is where I find it difficult to continue my part in this , because how do you show others to trust in something they already fear? Without imparting on their free will to correct their thinking? You can't.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 23, 2012 22:26:11 GMT -6
Ok, with Cambell's theories and your own being that once we "move out of the basement" there is no need for the guide any more is far from what I can agree with. Many shaman and mystics will agree that you are never finished learning, growing, or becoming more...we are FOREVER the student, the teacher, and the magi.To think otherwise is a farce to ones self. But I will leave this alone for now to continue this process of conversation and to not get caught up in tit for tat any further, or my perspective on where Cambell is mistaken.Have you ever read Campbell’s book? The “guide” aspect continues until the “return” phase. This is not a shaman / mystic approach, this is his study of myth structure that has to do with a specific “sending” to find a particular “boon” for humanity. It’s a theme repeated over and over in myth. As for the ET'S coming/being here now, you are saying that they will not intervene and help if they aren't asked to? Such as a law of will taking place, if it is not our will to allow their help they won't or can't do anything? My position in this is based on observational conclusions. “Sightings” seemingly began in the 1930s - and we were not ready for them. I was born in ’49, grew up in the 50s as a kid and even though “flying saucers” were a tv and movie thing, reality would have scared the hell out of the population … we still weren’t ready. I think (maybe) it’s a respect regarding our position as “children” – but I can’t say one way or the other. The Clovis enigma hangs over this picture too, and I had asked someone who knew if there was any trace of the goddess carvings in N America, and I was told no. It seems what hit N America was a comet – toasted the continent - and I have to ask, why (at least) wasn’t it diverted? I have run this scenario through my head more times than I want to count, and I can only see one picture … unfortunately, I can’t prove it. As far as the Hopi and what you mentioned, I can’t say. I’d love to talk to them, but that isn’t going to happen it seems. I would like to hear your thoughts and assumptions of 9/11 and 2012...I have some of my own and perhaps we will find we are thinking along the same lines here. Or perhaps one of us will offer new perspective to the whole picture.That’s something that will take a long post, and I have to gather my pictures and notes. I think there is much more to the goddess mystery than we perceive at this time. The image has power in it , (as many images or symbols we see throughout history do) , so there has to be more to the story behind it. They all have a place in the puzzle.
So you are saying that the cloud or wave from the galactic center is catastrophic....I can agree with this to the extent of the word "catastrophic" meaning destruction, not complete annihilation. I have done much research on my own of this coming wave and what scientists past and present suggest it will do. From this information I have determined that while yes there will be destruction on many levels in many areas this is also a cleansing process. It is a necessity to replenish the planet and restore it to it's full health. It is also a process of growth, just as we shed our skin or or change our shape and appearance as we grow, the earth and all planets go through these phases of change as well. It is a natural cyclic process, the super wave is part of this growth process. The indigenous people know of these changes and speak freely but limited in the knowing by speaking of the "5th sun" or the "new cycles/ages" upon us or that have past. I agree with these changes coming and that they will in fact be devastating to some. This is precisely why the indigenous do not want to speak of it with those who are "not ready". They do not want to create fear. Fear is the worst thing to create at a time like this. But this is where I disagree with them (sortof) , I feel like if people aren't educated about this , and given the opportunity to role it around in their heads 'before' the event takes place then mass panic will be the result of not knowing or rather not understanding why things are happening the way they are.I agree with the education and diverting mass panic – when I talked about thinking and the brain in here, you saw what was going on … times that by 7 billion … I wouldn’t know where to begin LOL. There are many factors at play right now. We have an awakening going on that is very real, I see it in the most unsuspecting places from the most unsuspecting people everyday now in my real life,not just on line. (today even) Then we have disasters taking place, some are natural some are results of natural events, we have potential wars rising up, economic crisis in every place on the globe, many things to factor in and keep us confused or keep our heads spinning. If we can not concentrate on what is 'really' going on and why all of these things are happening on the grand scale they are, then we are still lost to how to get through all of this and then we fail. It is in my knowing now that all must grow spiritually in order to not have fear or hate in their hearts during these times. It is important to the outcome. Especially 'IF' ET's are here to help. (which I believe they very well could be) We cannot have more in fear of them than not, in order to allow their assistance. And this is a BIG problem just for the experiencers alone. Trust is not on their priorities list for any ET race. There are many who have had very ugly experiences and do not find it hard at all to "see themselves on board a ship alone with the world and all they love gone". In fact they don't want to ever be there again....so this is a dilemma for what is needed to achieve success in the outcome. This is where I find it difficult to continue my part in this , because how do you show others to trust in something they already fear? Without imparting on their free will to correct their thinking? You can't.
I agree … hence the recurring picture in my head, which is the only explanation I can come up with, but no way to prove it – you see … we’re already dead. You, me, everyone. This isn’t a “help” picture … this is a rerun – in time.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 24, 2012 8:20:13 GMT -6
Hmm ... thought there'd be a reply ...
Look, there is an aspect to this picture that has no explanation except conjecture, and that's the evil alien / multiple agendas working at once scenario. The only "proof" of an evil agenda was presented by Sitchin, and Dr Heiser, who was an expert in the ancient language field, proved him wrong.
The "bad trip" abduction scenario would need to be revisited, case by case, because people lie and are just plain wrong, misinterpreting dreams. I have never had a "bad trip" in all the years things have been going on in my life, so I'm no help in this.
Then there's the Clovis culture enigma - an entire civilization wiped out by a comet that could have been diverted ... and wasn't. The so-called 'fourth world' began on the other side of globe where the goddess symbol was located ... there was an UPDATE in that symbol ... something we could NOT have possibly known ... what is it we are missing?
This picture is identical in structure to the Christian picture of salvation, where there is a "condition" directly connected to said salvation. This 'condition' creates a stable mental attitude by allowing the person to see they are one with the salvation idea which will come from "above". As the Christian approach is nothing more than a latter day version of the ET story, what exactly are we dealing with? Are we (or better, were we) that simple minded that we are given an idea connected to a symbol to hold and look at and so KNOW everything would be OK? Possibly - but I think we've grown up a bit since those days ... can we please have some details?
In my mind there is no logical reason for this approach - it makes no sense. Given that ET is working around our "fear" aspect, there would have to be MANY people in this picture given the information over time, so where are they? Didn't make it to the finish line?
Unless we can come to some kind of conclusion based on the data we DO have, create a foundation upon which to build, we can't explore OTHER possibilities.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 24, 2012 14:46:53 GMT -6
Religion in my studies, even with the ET aspect, has always been about control...but why? Is it because we were created as a slave race that has gotten out of hand? Possibly. But I still think it very plausible that some race has been coming here to 'tweek' our DNA in increments to boost our evolution or whatever other purpose it could serve. A lot of scholars and people think Sitchin is wrong in his interpretation of the knowledge left behind by the Sumerians , but I haven't heard of any other scholars who have come up with a different translation (at least not that have been acknowledged by academia) to explain it otherwise. So we have nothing else to go on for this time frame than his works....meaning we probably were created for the one reason and then somewhere along the lines someone (possibly another race even) saw potential in us...but still felt we needed guided and/or controlled? As for the symbols, there IS something to them, I just haven't figured that out yet. Possibly something in our memory of our DNA that reminds us of their place and/or origin...nevertheless there is something important about the whole picture that these symbols fit into. As for the people who must have gotten this information throughout time from the ET's working around our fear issues, I think they are here now. Present day people who know they are being taught, groomed, whatever you call it for something yet to come. This has been reported by many investigators and therapists working with contactees. These people, the vast majority of them know information regarding a future event. They may not be able to tap into all of what they have learned as of yet, for whatever reason (maybe DNA shut off until the right moment) but they know they have it. And the people working in this field see it as very real. John Mack, Budd Hopkins, Bob Dean and many many more have come forward with their findings. I personally was involved in an abduction study case that was strongly based around the notion of a spiritual awakening, and a great need for the planets well being having priority over most other things. In this study they were also looking at how many have changed their views on their own health, their lifestyle, what body changes they may be experiencing (like tingling in certain locations and vibrations), along with their views of religion changing to spirituality . And most of the people in the circles I am involved in are coming to a conclusion on the data we have thus far...but more is coming in, so it isn't finished, yet. With this I will also add that we are not already dead, we still have time and hope...mainly because this IS an awakening and many more people are waking up to many truths, not just in the spiritual aspects but everywhere. There IS hope and we ARE going to not only survive but do well this time. I and many more are making certain of that.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 24, 2012 17:54:05 GMT -6
Religion in my studies, even with the ET aspect, has always been about control...but why? Is it because we were created as a slave race that has gotten out of hand? Possibly. But I still think it very plausible that some race has been coming here to 'tweek' our DNA in increments to boost our evolution or whatever other purpose it could serve.From my perspective, it was at first a change out of fear. The idea that they worshiped the being IN the sun (Ra) is an indication the reference is to our familiar “ball of light” UFO, and would make sense that if it was the biggest ball of light ever seen – it had to be head honcho. If there are belief variations from Sumer then we are confronted with our first denominational split because of doctrinal reinterpretation. We should easily see that denominational splits over doctrinal interpretation simply means that no one really knows what they are talking about - if they did, they wouldn't have "split". This conforms to the "rewrite" hypothesis, where all this is NEW information and beliefs - of COURSE they aren't going to get it right, it's all NEW. There is another subject that goes with this, and it's called mythopoeic thinking. This happens when people have NO data to work with, they do NOT understand the base principles of, for instance, nature - and they give living characteristics to inanimate objects. This is why, when the river rose and flooded their city, "the river" was angry, as if it was a living being. As far as control over people – yes, but later on as the idea spread. A lot of scholars and people think Sitchin is wrong in his interpretation of the knowledge left behind by the Sumerians , but I haven't heard of any other scholars who have come up with a different translation (at least not that have been acknowledged by academia) to explain it otherwise. So we have nothing else to go on for this time frame than his works....meaning we probably were created for the one reason and then somewhere along the lines someone (possibly another race even) saw potential in us...but still felt we needed guided and/or controlled?You should look here … www.sitchiniswrong.com/ Welcome to the website devoted to addressing the claims of the ancient astronaut hypothesis popularized in the writings of Zecharia Sitchin. Who's behind this site? My name is Mike Heiser. Who am I? The short answer is that I'm a scholar of biblical and ancient Near Eastern languages, cultures, and religions. Why do I bother with this stuff? Because I don't like ancient texts manipulated to promote false claims. If I were a lawyer I'd feel professionally obligated to tell you if someone was giving you bad legal advice. If I was a medical doctor, I'd owe you the truth if I knew the medicine you were taking was bogus or could kill you. If I was an accountant, I'd let you know if a neighbor's tax advice could put you in jail. I'm none of those things, but I'm trying to provide the same service in my areas of expertise. I can tell you--and show you--that what Sitchin has written about Nibiru, the Anunnaki, the book of Genesis, the Nephilim, and a host of other things has absolutely no basis in the real data of the ancient world. I don't doubt that Zecharia Sitchin is a nice guy; he's just wrong. Nothing personal.As for the symbols, there IS something to them, I just haven't figured that out yet. Possibly something in our memory of our DNA that reminds us of their place and/or origin...nevertheless there is something important about the whole picture that these symbols fit into.
The symbols involved have a single archetype – the Orion nebula. The gas outflow from the star birthing area produces a couple of particular shapes that would represent a "body" - one triangular, and one semi-oval. If we pan back the "body" actually becomes rounded. It's the rounded aspect that was tied to the feminine idea of life, and created the continual 'obese representation' that has puzzled those who have looked at this picture. Around the beginning of the so-called fourth world, we had an update to this symbol that showed we knew there was also a triangular "body" representation ... again, there would be no way we would have known - unless we were shown. As for the people who must have gotten this information throughout time from the ET's working around our fear issues, I think they are here now. Present day people who know they are being taught, groomed, whatever you call it for something yet to come. This has been reported by many investigators and therapists working with contactees. Actually, there was a European version of what we see in native tribal approaches like the Hopi. They vanished around the time the Masonic growth movement began, a few centuries back. I called them "the people who knew". Regarding what's going on today with people, we really need to look at this information and tie it all together – if it’s right, it has to fit. These people, the vast majority of them know information regarding a future event. They may not be able to tap into all of what they have learned as of yet, for whatever reason (maybe DNA shut off until the right moment) but they know they have it. And the people working in this field see it as very real. John Mack, Budd Hopkins, Bob Dean and many many more have come forward with their findings. I personally was involved in an abduction study case that was strongly based around the notion of a spiritual awakening, and a great need for the planets well being having priority over most other things. In this study they were also looking at how many have changed their views on their own health, their lifestyle, what body changes they may be experiencing (like tingling in certain locations and vibrations), along with their views of religion changing to spirituality . And most of the people in the circles I am involved in are coming to a conclusion on the data we have thus far...but more is coming in, so it isn't finished, yet.
Like I said, it all has to fit. With this I will also add that we are not already dead, we still have time and hope...mainly because this IS an awakening and many more people are waking up to many truths, not just in the spiritual aspects but everywhere. There IS hope and we ARE going to not only survive but do well this time. I and many more are making certain of that.
That wasn't what I meant when I said we were already dead. I deal with both subjective and objective approaches, it's just that the subjective guesswork must be shelved until proven. Some time back I constructed a picture that was the only answer I could see that answered the ET caring / not caring conundrum I was dealing with. Like, why did the so-called fourth world begin on one side of the planet, and the Clovis people all died on the other, by a comet which could have been diverted? The answer I came up with was that ET found our world, and it and everyone on it had been destroyed - we were all dead. They went back in time, found a place in our history where we could be worked with and simply set up a life line (the symbol). The idea was, if you believed - when the time came you would be helped / saved - whatever. If you didn't care, you died anyway originally, and you simply died again. That comet had hit N America originally, it was part of our original history, and that's why it wasn't diverted. The Clovis culture died originally, and so just died again like they did the first time. The problem here is that I can't prove this, but it does explain the fact that if you want something other than what is, if you want to believe something else - go for it. You died once - you will die again. You had a chance to change things - you didn't want to. Oh well.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 24, 2012 18:13:17 GMT -6
First of all I said "accepted by academia" , just because he has a PH.D doesn't mean his views are excepted or accurate. Furthermore, he is a Christian who considers himself an evangelical , and all of what I have just viewed of his is based on his prejudice views mixed with religion....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Heiser
So far, all of the indigenous knowledge does fit together. They may have a different way of saying it, but bottom line is it's the same message, just as all the religion myths are the same and tie in as well as other myths from all cultures. I've done a lot of studying, and I can't find any that don't fit...furthermore, even if we have one that doesn't, doesn't mean we can't base our research on all the many that do.
Interesting concept on the rest of this, I'll have to ponder that while I have supper and get back to you.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 24, 2012 20:31:00 GMT -6
First of all I said "accepted by academia" , just because he has a PH.D doesn't mean his views are excepted or accurate. Furthermore, he is a Christian who considers himself an evangelical , and all of what I have just viewed of his is based on his prejudice views mixed with religion....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_HeiserWhatever the "religion" problems, and all scholars go back and forth with interpretations, language is language and is confined to rules regarding translation. A comparison of Zach's translations to the actual texts (which is all this is) shows Zach was wrong. So far, all of the indigenous knowledge does fit together. They may have a different way of saying it, but bottom line is it's the same message, just as all the religion myths are the same and tie in as well as other myths from all cultures. I've done a lot of studying, and I can't find any that don't fit...furthermore, even if we have one that doesn't, doesn't mean we can't base our research on all the many that do.
Well we need a BIGGER picture, so, whatever you have let 'er rip. Interesting concept on the rest of this, I'll have to ponder that while I have supper and get back to you.
Well ... there is a big problem with that picture which would be confined to scrambling the time line. The very fact that Egypt and Sumer lost it, would have changed the entire picture on a level that our history as we know it, never existed before in that first world. What we have as history now shows two ideas instead of one existing on the planet, and everything has changed. People who should have been born, were not, and vice-versa. Although it helps certain aspects in this, it creates further problems too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2012 17:03:50 GMT -6
I've been pondering an idea for the past few days that to some viewers, may or may not have any bearing on the direction that this thread is wanting to lean towards. It just keeps coming into my thoughts . I don't know what part of my brain that I'm using during these thoughts; mind you. Rationally, logically, the subject matter I'm addressing "fits", but how does a person interject such a potentially emotional topic? It's not like this subject matter is avoided any where on Teor. . . ok . So, I'm going to just put out these thoughts willy nilly, and hope (pray) that I don't offend anyone, or somehow put my foot in my mouth (which IMO is inevitable ). Do any of you work with/ have a lot of contact with a very dark-skinned individual over the age of 55 ? And let me add, this individual has spent a considerable amount of time in North America? It doesn't seem to matter where they are from, whether it be Africa, France, South America, Bahamas, or Arkansas (United States). I do. And I presume this person trusts me, or likes me well enough, that I get an actual "peek" into the way different cultures are NOT blending together, at all. Sure, they seem to be. But as long as there is someone who remembers and actively (daily, once a month ?) talks about the issue of slavery and the horrors of thinking that another human being can be owned, well. . . . I'm obviously talking about individuals that are somewhat cared for, instead of just outright killed (for whatever supposed reason). I can only reference (on this topic) what I have seen, what I have felt ( as supposed reverse discrimination), and what I have heard with my ears about it. Reading about it? Doesn't happen much. The only reference point I have, on a huge topic of diversity, is color of skin. I apologize. By diversity I mean the issues that are faced at any given time by gender, sexual preference, language, work ethic, etc. I'm also laughing at myself that I can't bring myself to mention "belief system" (religion) because of ideas of privacy. Sexual preference has sure lost its privacy. Skipping a lot, , topic continuance, and looking into "pieces missing" of our history. Then thinking about these "beings" that are so obviously here, and how they present themselves. What they look like to us. Literally. The diversity that is surely there, but that is only highly controlled. (However you want to take that last statement is fine. We are still only going on the perception of our human mind). Last but not least, until just a week ago, I could not believe in any way, in any type of "formal agreement" between a "greater us" and some invisible "helper" or guide(s). Any one that has read my personal history knows that I am a staunch believer in personal (one on one) agreements, and that I have "seen" a council of some sort. The council that I "know of" is relatively small and appears to me as ____________. I feel lucky in this respect. The times I have felt as one with a community of people has always had a side-current running of possible worldly danger. . I'm guessing that this is lucky, too. From the way history tells it, any one just going about their daily business of living and loving life never knows what hit 'em.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 27, 2012 9:55:07 GMT -6
I had a bit of a problem following your post. I took it apart in MS Word, removed the added comments / parenthetical inserts, and tried to narrow it all down. I think I got it Regarding diversity in a context of each other and ET, and how we handle it ... this would be the main problem with any new species in the universe, and, how established space-faring beings would deal with other space-faring beings they had never met. Each would have their own way of expressing themselves due to their personal evolution, and there would have to be a way for each to "meet in the middle" so to speak. Without this "meeting of the minds" space would be no different than Brooklyn NY - and I refuse to see that as reality. On our planet, never once have the scientists looked at us and said - we need to take over - you are idiots. Dr Neil deGrasse Tyson once made a comment regarding the back and forth argument between science and religion / evolution and creationism. He said that never once had scientists picketed outside a religious institution crying creation was wrong. Why is this? One word: intelligence. Data is data - period. When you deal with facts, there is no ego involved - it's all just juggling information, trying to make a comprehensive picture so we can understand what the heck we are looking at. The "smarter" you get, the more you realize this, and two space-faring races who had never met before would meet in the middle with logic and facts. I believe this was mentioned to someone I know in an experience where, after venting his frustrations towards the craft he was looking at, he was "told" - There is no room for emotion in space. Why? The emotional aspect of "us" does not THINK - it REACTS. We today are STILL hung up on what these beings LOOK LIKE and how that scares us. Really? Fear is also a "reaction" without thinking, and you wonder why we are in the mess we are in today. That person was also told: You are not ready for us. And it's true - we aren't. We can't even get along with each other, because "they are different - they are not us." I liked your closing line: From the way history tells it, any one just going about their daily business of living and loving life never knows what hit 'em.The same is true for anyone who refuses to find the facts in any given picture - especially THIS one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2012 19:38:21 GMT -6
ok, everything you said in return to my confusing post is ok with me. I did apologize in advance, knowing I couldn't get out what I wanted to say . This happens a lot with me, and sometimes just reading someone's response helps me get more clear on my intentions. Not long ago I expressed frustration that I felt misunderstood, and my reply was perceived as a personal attack. I sure don't want that situation ever again. I can forget my emotions. Because I know I can be wrong. And I don't need someone to agree with my idea(s) here. I guess I kind of need someone to question where I get such ideas, though . Slavery. It's been around for ages. How much do we really know about the extent of it throughout history? We know small, neat situations of house slaves of a king. But logically we only know OF other slavery (including the Hebrew) by the people who were able to write. We know OF castes, and things such. I believe that as much as history tends to repeat itself, we have the potential right now to express something new: History written by "lower class citizens", people who used to be slaves. It is my idea that the history you are looking for from our past SHOULD HAVE been written by the masses- the slave population of that time period. Just think what we would have if they had been able to write! Alas! ______________________________________________________________________________ I liked your closing line: From the way history tells it, any one just going about their daily business of living and loving life never knows what hit 'em. The same is true for anyone who refuses to find the facts in any given picture - especially THIS one. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=abductions&thread=2254&page=6#27502#ixzz1tIIbiRRgThank you . But three things come to mind when I made this statement. The Phoenicians, the people of Easter Island, and possibly how the most recent African Slave trade started. Otherwise I frankly think "history" in this statement is a bold faced lie. (Except of course, as you said, those that refuse to find facts. . . ) About appearances next. The general attitude I'm hearing about the E.T. is that they are without gender, all of one color, and basic size.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2012 19:52:59 GMT -6
~hugz JC~
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2012 21:03:35 GMT -6
hugs to you too, Lorelei ! _______________________________________________________ Sorry I left so abruptly on talking about appearances. I really think there is something to this. This illusion or reality that most of these beings are almost identical. Lynn Margulis of Boston University believes that the very first life on earth was simple celled creatures.........but when these cells were infected by a single bacterium, the combined inner chemistry of the two organisms allowed them to extract energy from oxygen.........Every multicellular plant and animal on the planet today has mitochondria which can all be traced back to these original 'infected' host cells.........Over time, mutations occurred, so that the mitochondrial chromosomes of various human families gradually diverged and differences became more and more distinct over THOUSANDS of years......... Ok, stay with me here, mitochondrial genes are only transmitted to offspring by the mother, though sperm cells contain mitochondria. What would it take to keep "mutations" from happening ( that caused differences)? Is it possible that this generic looking alien is actually a new species? I can use this type of thinking because some of these aliens are interbreeding with us, so they must have some compatibility. (??)
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Post by onlychild on Apr 29, 2012 7:45:35 GMT -6
I can use this type of thinking because some of these aliens are interbreeding with us, so they must have some compatibility. (??)Personally, I don't like getting into this type of discussion because there is too much information missing and the amount of directions one could go in this subject is mind-boggling. But if we consider the idea that genetic manipulation on whatever level is going on, I would ask - did it just begin ... or has it been going on all along? Written history doesn't seem to capture this idea, and I find it odd that with the idea of "doom" in my picture, suddenly there is all of this "activity" going on between us and them. Why would that be - unless - extinction was coming? There's another problem in the "ET looks like us" picture (at least for me) ... why is it always Caucasian / Nordics? Where are the black-African / Australian aboriginal / oriental race aliens? Why is it that white people see white alien Nordics? Some think these "Nordics" genetically introduced themselves into our genetic mix thousands of years ago. I think the answer is connected to the fact that the "out of Africa" modern humans interbred with Neanderthal (the new study) and created the caucasian race - no "ETs" in that picture. I always found the recreation model of a Neanderthal child interesting. How much added DNA programming would it take to stop the Neanderthal traits from developing entirely over 10s of thousands of years? There are too many unknown variables and too much speculation to come to any concrete conclusions in this outside of one fact - the alleged intensity of the approach today - is not found in history. This is more of a DNA "gathering" than anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 11:05:04 GMT -6
It isn't often that Caucasian aliens are reported. Grey's with larger eyes (most common) and reptilian and sometimes insect like, although the Grey's have also been reported as being similar to a praying mantis. The Nordics aren't so common as the others. Most abduction cases report the Grey type but interestingly enough (to me) of varying heights. Some have them as short as 3 feet or less..some much taller. From the perspective of laying on a 'table' anything looks fairly tall I guess. I think our planet could be unique in the racial differences that have evolved here (or been seeded). Some planets may have only one dominant species or maybe one species that have the appendages to use tools while another is vaporous or in a form that we wouldn't even recognize as something sentient.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 29, 2012 12:50:42 GMT -6
It isn't often that Caucasian aliens are reported. Maybe so, but they are all over the web unlike the other earth-ethnic possibilities. I've never seen one so I have nothing on them personally. www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&gs_mss=african%20black%20aliens&pq=ancient%20aliens&cp=2&gs_id=4m9&xhr=t&q=nordic+aliens&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=noaliens&aq=0c&aqi=g-c4&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=4245df7315cd9e22&biw=1024&bih=589 Grey's with larger eyes (most common) and reptilian and sometimes insect like, although the Grey's have also been reported as being similar to a praying mantis. The Nordics aren't so common as the others. Most abduction cases report the Grey type but interestingly enough (to me) of varying heights. Some have them as short as 3 feet or less..some much taller.
As far as what I have "seen" myself, 5 years old - couldn't make out a face but around my height and thin was all I could figure out. In the last half of the 90's, short, human looking with eyes like ours, but a larger cranium. Never saw a "grey" or anything else. I think our planet could be unique in the racial differences that have evolved here (or been seeded). Some planets may have only one dominant species or maybe one species that have the appendages to use tools while another is vaporous or in a form that we wouldn't even recognize as something sentient. I often wonder exactly what was lost in the Toba event, C 73,000 BC. The genetic bottleneck paints an interesting picture, and numbers do vary, but, maybe roughly 10,000 - 35,000 of our species left on the planet. Regarding ET, it seems everything thus far is bi-pedal and basically constructed from the same "mold". What that implies ... I don't know for sure, but it would be odd if Dr Drakes guesstimates regarding the Drake Equation of 10,000 communicative civilizations in the Milky Way were all "naturally" identical in structure, cuz that can't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 17:09:31 GMT -6
Maybe it implies that only the 'bipedal' variety can construct a ship to leave home. There's no end to the possibilities of sentient life..but something without appendages wouldn't have the abilities of those races with at least arms. Not necessarily the standard pair we have but multiples might be even more useful. I was 5 when I had an encounter with a Grey in my room who inserted something in my ear. When I was 15 my friend and I were abducted. They were also 'Grey's' so I've never seen any other variety that I am aware of but there are enough accounts of Nordics and Reptilian that they can't all be wrong..in my opinion.
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Post by onlychild on Apr 29, 2012 21:00:29 GMT -6
Maybe it implies that only the 'bipedal' variety can construct a ship to leave home. There's no end to the possibilities of sentient life..but something without appendages wouldn't have the abilities of those races with at least arms. Not necessarily the standard pair we have but multiples might be even more useful.
There's no tellin' what's out there ... I mean the "visible" universe is what, 93 billion light years in every direction ... and that's just what we can see. ... but there are enough accounts of Nordics and Reptilian that they can't all be wrong..in my opinion.
I agree ... the only problem would be - which ones are right?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 23:22:32 GMT -6
Quite possibly all of them. It's also been speculated that there is only one alien life form, manipulating all sightings. Causing all of the disinformation and information to conflict and keeping proof an impossibility. Over-all I like Jacques Vallée's interdimensional hypothesis because it seems the most likely to me. (This hypothesis represents an extension of the ETH where the alleged extraterrestrials could be potentially from anywhere. The entities could be multidimensional beyond space-time, and thus could coexist with humans, yet remain undetected). To me an interdimensional or multidimensional solution answers a few of the stickier questions...propulsion...radar invisibility...first you see em then ya don't..their seeming ability to move through objects. If they have the use of 'doorways' it could explain a lot. We also don't know that beyond our knowledge of physics there aren't physical laws we can't comprehend ..yet. Einstein was brilliant but his physical laws could be baby steps in a very huge universe
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Post by onlychild on Apr 30, 2012 3:49:08 GMT -6
Quite possibly all of them. It's also been speculated that there is only one alien life form, manipulating all sightings. Causing all of the disinformation and information to conflict and keeping proof an impossibility. ...
And then too - it could just be all us. Believe me when I say I pisspeople off on a regular basis, but I am not trying to be contrary. I complained to "whoever" up there regularly about the WAY they approached what went on in my life - it made no difference. For years I called it the "distance factor" because it was there, but it just made no sense to me - if someone has something to say, why don't they just SAY IT! The constructivist approach makes a lot of sense because it leaves learning up to the student, and in my case also covered these ideas: make and test conjectures, guided discovery problems, documented problem solving and metacognition, context-rich problems, cognitive strategy instruction. Why would they do this? It wasn't a game - all pieces come together to form a grand conclusion.
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