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Post by auntym on Mar 4, 2015 15:28:22 GMT -6
www.gq.com/news-politics/big-issues/201503/malaysia-airlines-flight-370The Vanishing / FLIGHT MH370 By Sean Flynn March 2015 One year ago this month, Malaysia Airlines flight 370 disappeared from the skies. No trace, not even wreckage. The void has confounded experts, anguished families, and hatched endless conspiracy theories. But as Sean Flynn reports, some disturbing truths are emerging, including a clear trail of failure that turned a disaster into something so much worse The red-eye to Beijing lifted off the tarmac six minutes late, at 12:41 in the morning, and made a climbing turn over Kuala Lumpur until it was pointed northeast, into the dark over the South China Sea. The aircraft, a twin-engine Boeing 777, was a marvel of engineering and avionics, one of the safest machines of any kind, ever, to transport people, and was flown by a pilot with more than thirty years of experience. The first officer, a young man who was engaged to be married, hadn't been born when the pilot started flying, but he was fully certified and still had thousands of hours of flight time. There were ten other crew members on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which flew for the last time on March 8, 2014, and 227 passengers. More than two-thirds were Chinese nationals, and another thirty-eight were Malaysians. There was a Russian and two Canadians in business class, two Ukrainians in coach, and two Iranians traveling on stolen passports, from Italy and Austria, hoping eventually to slip into Europe. There was an Italian in 34C and a New Zealander in 19C. A French mother, two of her children, and her son's girlfriend filled a row of middle seats, and on the left side of the plane, two Australian couples were four days into an Asiatic tour they'd planned for a year. There was a single American adult, in an aisle seat in the first row of economy. His name was Philip Wood, and he managed sales to high-end clients for IBM. The company had transferred him from Beijing to Kuala Lumpur, and he was flying back to close out some accounts and help his partner, Sarah Bajc, pack up their apartment. Twenty-four seconds after the plane left the ground, air-traffic controllers cleared it to climb to 18,000 feet on a line to IGARI, a spot in the sky at the edge of Malaysian airspace and one of thousands of oddly named navigational waypoints airliners follow. Over the next eight minutes, MH370—the flight's call sign—was cleared for 25,000 feet, then 35,000, its cruising altitude. Just before 1:08, the plane's ACARS (aircraft communications addressing and reporting system), which automatically reports on various flight and mechanical systems, bounced a routine message off a satellite to a ground station. There was nothing abnormal. Controllers in Malaysia watched MH370's label, a cluster of letters and numbers, stutter-step up their screens toward IGARI. The flight by then was out of primary radar range. At that distance, air-traffic relies on secondary radar, longer-range technology that gathers information—call signs, altitudes, headings, speed—from transponders in every aircraft. There are two of them on commercial airliners, because every system is redundant in case one fails. At 1:19, just before MH370 reached IGARI, Malaysian controllers instructed the flight crew to switch their radio to the frequency for Ho Chi Minh control, which would take over beyond the waypoint. The co-pilot answered in a flat, professional cadence. "Good night, Malaysia three seven zero." MH370 passed IGARI at 1:21. Twelve seconds later, its radar label disappeared. Seventeen minutes passed before anyone was concerned enough to start trying to find the plane. Air-traffic control in Malaysia and Vietnam radioed. Silence. Other pilots on other airliners tried, too. Static. Someone in the Malaysian Airlines operation center called the cockpit, twice, on the satellite phone. No answer. Every communication system had gone dead, even ACARS, which never sent its scheduled update at 1:37. Singapore air-traffic control hadn't picked up any odd blips. Neither had Hong Kong nor Phnom Penh. A modern aircraft had simply vanished, an event as rare as it is disastrous. A few hours later in Beijing, Sarah Bajc checked the status of Flight 370 online. Delayed. She'd sent a car to pick up Wood at the airport while she waited for the movers, who were coming at nine. Before long, she checked her computer again: News sites were reporting that a Malaysia Airlines plane had lost contact. By the time she got the official phone call—she was listed as Wood's next of kin—she already knew MH370 was missing. The airline couldn't tell her anything more. Nine months later, when I first met Bajc, no one else could explain, convincingly, definitively, what happened to that red-eye to Beijing. The plane still hadn't been found. Nothing from it—a suitcase, an in-flight magazine, a life vest—had washed ashore, at least not that anyone had come across. So maybe Philip Wood, maybe all of them, were still alive. There was still a chance, and Sarah Bajc was still willing to believe. "Not unrealistically so," she told me in a café on a bright Malaysian morning. "The chances are very, very slim. A lot of zeroes in that percentage. But there's no proof that it crashed, which means it might have landed. We don't know." When nothing is certain, everything is possible. CONTINUE READING: www.gq.com/news-politics/big-issues/201503/malaysia-airlines-flight-370
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Post by auntym on Mar 12, 2015 16:36:11 GMT -6
www.foxnews.com/world/2015/03/11/no-answers-missing-flight-370-just-one-dozens-vanished-planes/?icid=maing-grid7|maing11|dl6|sec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D626851 No answers: Missing Flight 370 just one of dozens of vanished planesBy Malia Zimmerman / FoxNews.com Published March 11, 2015 It's been a year since Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 and the 239 souls aboard it disappeared without a trace, and if the fates of scores of commercial, private and military planes that have vanished around the globe since 1948 are any indication, the world may never know what became of the jetliner. Whether in remote areas of the ocean or rugged mountain regions where snow or forests hide wreckage from view, planes have been disappearing for decades, leaving authorities, aviation experts and victims' families with no answers. The biggest ocean search in human history has failed to turn up even a confirmed trace of the plane, which had left Kuala Lumpur for Beijing and is believed to have gone down in a remote part of the Indian Ocean after the pilot inexplicably turned off the communication system and made an unplanned U-turn. The disappearance is the deadliest and most recent in a long line of aviation mysteries that experts say may never be solved. ********************************************************************** “Every flight that has disappeared had its own story." - David Cenciotti, The Aviationist ********************************************************************** Aviation Safety Network, which tracks missing planes, documents 85 passenger, cargo, and military transport aircraft that have gone missing without a trace since 1948, along with eight maritime patrol aircraft, five corporate jets and six air taxis. In each case, not a single piece of wreckage, oil slick or body has been found. “Every flight that has disappeared had its own story,” said David Cenciotti, editor of TheAviationist.com, one of world's most-read aviation blogs.“Some may have been hijacked and may have landed on a hidden or remote airfield. Others may have simply crashed in bad weather in remote locations, or at sea, after flying several minutes, if not hours off track, hence search-and-rescue teams have looked for them in the wrong place.” In 1948, the first of two British South American Airways Avro Tudor passenger planes disappeared on flights to Bermuda. The other plane was lost a year later and no trace of either aircraft or the 51 people aboard them ever turned up. The strange disappearances helped propel the myth of the Bermuda Triangle, which had captivated the nation just three years earlier when the area claimed five Navy torpedo bombers with a 14-member crew along with an aircraft sent to find them. CONTINUE READING: www.foxnews.com/world/2015/03/11/no-answers-missing-flight-370-just-one-dozens-vanished-planes/?icid=maing-grid7|maing11|dl6|sec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D626851
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Post by lois on May 10, 2015 15:22:19 GMT -6
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Post by swamprat on May 10, 2015 16:13:27 GMT -6
I dunno, Lois. After the Roswell slides fiasco, I can't believe anything that Jaime Mausan is involved in. His credibility is totally gone.
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Post by lois on May 10, 2015 17:39:20 GMT -6
I dunno, Lois. After the Roswell slides fiasco, I can't believe anything that Jaime Mausan is involved in. His credibility is totally gone.
Paul From disclosed tv Paul. five out of five is not real. I have learned that from my news feed on FB. Does Mars Moon have clouds like this? I never thought it had clouds.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 10:02:50 GMT -6
I still wonder about this flight, though. If this was supposed to be a "smoking gun", (the disappearance of the plane), and it didn't "work out", time to return ALL those people, ALIVE AND WELL.
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Post by auntym on May 31, 2015 12:51:34 GMT -6
i believe ufos did snatch flight MH370 out of the sky... and i wouldn't totally disregard everything jaimie maussan says...in the past he has brought us some very interesting videos i'm not totally convinced he is wrong about the ROSWELL SLIDES either... too many scientists jumped on that band wagon... it sounds like government disinformation to me... just my humble biased opinion...
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Post by paulette on Jun 1, 2015 11:38:33 GMT -6
Video not available. Interesting. Those other objects were very small compared to the plane. Single occupant flying machines if real.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 3, 2015 0:00:20 GMT -6
Perhaps similar to the Foo Fighters that used to accompany military planes during WW2 and Korea and others. That assumes the video is real, of course. Like swampy I'm a little bit skeptical also. How did Maussan get the video if that is indeed what it is? And how does he know that it shows flight 370 or that it hasn't been doctored in some way or another? Since when do satellites take videos of airplanes flying through the air anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 15:38:41 GMT -6
Since when do satellites take videos of airplanes flying through the air anyway? " according to a well-placed source, was that the Malaysian authorities learned as early as the morning of March 9 that MH370 had likely continued flying long after its radar signal blinked off the controllers' screens. For almost seven hours, in fact, which means it was probably still in the air when search-and-rescue teams were swarming below IGARI. They knew that at 2:25 A.M., a little more than an hour after the flight's last contact, the plane's satellite-data unit powered up. From an antenna on top of the airframe, it sent a log-on request to an aging piece of hardware wobbling in space above the equator, which then relayed the signal to a ground station in Perth, both of which are owned by a British company called Inmarsat. This was a cry from the void, MH370 effectively saying "I'm still out here." Every hour after that, the Perth station bounced a signal off the satellite to the plane, asking if MH370 was still online. " that last ?GQ) article was pretty good (imo). I'll pull out some other "stuff" that was extra informative
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Post by patsbox7 on Jun 5, 2015 2:07:28 GMT -6
Where this plane lost contact is very remote and lacking the radar and other technologies that enable us to pinpoint where exactly it went down. My best guess is there was rapid depressurizing, resulting in the pilots immediately losing consciousness, and the airplane going down in a very remote location in the ocean. To say finding the wreckage is like a needle in a haystack would be putting it lightly in the area it went down.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 7, 2015 18:41:33 GMT -6
We did one of our group meditation experiments about this plane crash and almost all the people who took part in it saw something to do with fire...like it caught on fire or exploded or something. That's even what I saw and that's not what I suspected beforehand. I doubt that we will ever find out what really happened. It's a big ocean and the thing could have drifted for hundreds of miles even after it crashed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 23:30:55 GMT -6
or
we were all made to believe that it burned and crashed.
(and for what reason)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 23:59:17 GMT -6
was even possible to do so; the system was designed to provide a communication link for phone calls and such, not location tracking.
(so why did it get "powered up" in the 1st place?)
Which leads to the second piece of information the authorities initially withheld: Malaysian military radar had tracked MH370 after it went dark.
pinged by radar almost the entire way yet completely ignored. "The military should be on high alert, everyone knows that," Julian Tan Kok Ping, a Malaysian lawmaker, told me. "They should have scrambled fighter jets. If they allow an aircraft to fly in controlled airspace without a transponder and no one does anything, that's criminal.
(ignored? Doubtful)
Some early reports, on the other hand, most notably by Reuters, had military officials watching an unidentified and unresponsive aircraft in real time, and apparently not reacting
(what possible scenario could cause someone to just "watch" and not do anything? Extreme Danger/Helplessness or An Agreement)
On the other hand, one could also argue—much more convincingly—that revealing the Inmarsat data would have established a standard of transparency, and thus credibility, as the search continued. Yet the Malaysian government—which is basically the same government that's run the country since independence in 1957—has never been a model of transparency, and to become one in the glare of global media would have been absurdly embarrassing.
(and, an embarrassing contradiction for the reporter to acknowledge it and not keep this idea in their head; the "save face" because "we really had our hands tied on this one")
That information delay, then, became the original sin of omission, seeming to corrupt everything that followed
(strongly disagree. Already explained why "sin of omission" could have happened)
This is my further comments on the GQ article
This "case" still really disturbs me. Try picking apart an article for yourself, and find the things that "just don't make sense".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 12:02:11 GMT -6
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Post by paulette on Jul 29, 2015 22:22:26 GMT -6
I saw the wing piece on the news tonight. It's my impression that planes sink really fast because they are made of metal. How the hell does a piece of wing "wash up on the beach, without the benefit of a major storm?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 23:08:26 GMT -6
Commercial Airplanes are mostly built in aluminum alloys and the newer ones composite materials..carbon fiber's..they're pretty light but really strong. Plane debris does float if it breaks apart from the main structure ..at leas some parts do. I doubt you'd see the fuselage washing up on shore That's been the problem with the disappearance of this plane..no debris and about the only way that could happen is if it went into the water intact. I have problems with that one but if it was just getting lower and lower when it ran out of fuel I guess it's possible. That would keep things from floating but now maybe things are just rotting apart and starting to move with the current. The part had a number so I hope they can track it from that.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 30, 2015 10:02:41 GMT -6
I think it probably is from the missing plane. It's pretty much in the location it should be in after floating around in the ocean for a year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 13:58:27 GMT -6
Has that feeling to it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 17:42:18 GMT -6
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Post by auntym on Aug 6, 2015 14:17:44 GMT -6
www.aol.com/article/2015/08/06/frustrated-flight-370-families-we-need-definite-answers/21219341/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl5|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D-532084645 Frustrated Flight 370 families: 'We need definite answers'The Associated Press IAN MADER Aug 6th 2015 BEIJING (AP) — Families aching for closure after their relatives disappeared aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 last year vented deep frustration Thursday at differing statements from Malaysia and France over whether the finding of a plane part had been confirmed. "Why the hell do you have one confirm and one not?" asked Sara Weeks of Christchurch, New Zealand. Her brother, Paul Weeks, was on the plane that disappeared March 8, 2014, while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. "Why not wait and get everybody on the same page so the families don't need to go through this turmoil?" she said. Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced early Thursday that a plane wing section found on the French island of Reunion was "conclusively confirmed" to be from Flight 370, saying he hoped the news would end "unspeakable" uncertainty. The announcement was in line with the Malaysian conclusion that the plane crashed in the Indian Ocean, killing all 239 people aboard. But French officials with custody of the wing part said only that there were strong indications the barnacle-encrusted part — known as a "flaperon" — was from the flight and that they would work further to try to confirm the finding. "After 17 months, we need definite answers," Weeks said. "We need to progress, get answers, move toward further answers, and get some closure along the line." About two-thirds of the passengers were from China, and in Beijing, Xu Jinghong said she could not understand why Malaysian and French authorities did not make their statements together. "I am very angry — so angry that my hands and feet are cold," Xu, 41, said in an interview early Thursday outside her downtown home. "The announcement was made without experts from France present. I don't understand how the procedure can be like this." The statement by Najib would appear to give the first strong physical evidence of a crash, which could put to rest several theories that many relatives have refused to rule out, including that the plane and its passengers were hijacked and intact in some still-unknown location. Irene Burrows, the 85-year-old mother of missing Australian passenger Rod Burrows, who was lost with his wife, Mary, said last year that she didn't expect the mystery to be solved in her lifetime. She said at the time: "All I just want is a bit of the plane. It's all I want to know — where they are." For her, Thursday's confirmation was a simple wish come true. "We're quite pleased that it's been found," she said from her home in Biloela in northeastern Australia. However, for many relatives, any potential certainty was diluted by the word from Paris, where Deputy Prosecutor Serge Mackowiak said the "very strong conjectures" that the wing part was from the missing Boeing 777 still needed to be "confirmed by complementary analysis" that would begin later Thursday. It was unclear whether the mix-up was a result of miscommunication between the two countries, differing notions of the burden of proof, or whether Malaysian officials were overeager to send out some definitive signal for relatives of the missing. In any case, a full confirmation of the wing part wasn't likely to bring total closure for relatives, with the rest of the plane and the bodies still missing. Jiang Hui, whose mother was on board, said there was still a lack of evidence to prove that the plane crashed as was announced by Malaysian officials last year. At the time, they cited thorough analysis of the limited satellite data available for the flight. Major questions remain, including why the plane went off course. "The finding of debris does not mean the finding of our next of kin," said Jiang, 41. About a dozen Chinese relatives of passengers gathered Thursday at Malaysia Airlines offices in Beijing, holding signs, including one saying, "Malaysia hides the truth." After several hours, the group was invited into a closed-door talk with airline officials. They later went to Boeing offices but weren't allowed in. While confirming ocean-borne debris from the plane is an important threshold for many relatives, it will be difficult for some to fully come to terms with the disaster without seeing the body of their loved one, said Nancy Smyth, a University of Buffalo sociologist focusing on psychological trauma. The finding of the wing piece "is certainly a step toward closure," Smyth said, adding: "It is important not to think of closure as a check box, but more of a journey and process for people with a lot of layers." "So much of our grieving process involves physicality, such as seeing the body, and that's not present here, which makes it very difficult for the families to gain closure," she said. Melanie Antonio, whose husband was a Flight 370 flight attendant, said she wasn't sure how to feel. "I'm numb, I'm not sad," she said in Kuala Lumpur. "It's just a flaperon, it doesn't prove anything. We still need the wreckage to prove. I just want anything that can tell me my hubby is gone." Jacquita Gomes, also the wife of a flight attendant, echoed that sentiment. "If it's not too much to ask, I still want the remains of my husband." ___ Associated Press writer Nick Perry in Wellington, New Zealand, video journalists Zhang Weiqun and Aritz Parra in Beijing, writer Rod McGuirk in Canberra, Australia, and photographer Joshua Paul in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, contributed to this report. WATCH VIDEO: www.aol.com/article/2015/08/06/frustrated-flight-370-families-we-need-definite-answers/21219341/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl5|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D-532084645
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Post by plutronus on Aug 7, 2015 8:35:16 GMT -6
I wonder how many B777s have gone missing over oceans and considering that it is a fairly recently produced product? I mean, how can an B777 continue to fly missing that particular section of the elevon (some folks are calling a 'wing')? And how many have...fallen off over that part of the world's ocean? Of course those discovered wing parts floatsome...and seat cushions (all identified as being components of a B777) is from the MH370 missing jet. How many missing jets have crashed into the ocean? Those poor people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 9:53:13 GMT -6
Actually...according to a friend who is a aeronautical structural engineer flaperon's fall off pretty regularly and the planes fly on just fine. Flaperon's being a part used in lots of 777's that incorporates both ailerons and flaps. How they can pinpoint this as coming from that particular plane is not quite clear to me...BUT if it gives those families some firm place to go in their grief..it's better than thinking they're subject to daily torture from some terrorist. IN my mind that is.
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Post by skywalker on Aug 8, 2015 18:50:54 GMT -6
Finding one part doesn't really prove anything, even if it is from the missing plane. terrorists (or the Feds or whoever) could have stolen the plane, landed and unloaded the passengers and then destroyed the plane and dumped parts of it in the ocean. Nobody would ever know. I think it probably did crash into the water but this won't silence the conspiracy theorists. It isn't even mollifying the families of the passengers. Many of them still think the authorities are lying about what happened.
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Post by paulette on Aug 9, 2015 10:49:42 GMT -6
If someone nabbbed the plane to get certain people off - they could have dumped it soon afterwards. Or even saved a few bits and tossed them far away from the actual dump.
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Post by auntym on Aug 9, 2015 13:24:57 GMT -6
here's a link to our flight MH370 meditation experiment... in case anyone wants to re-read it... i never saw it on fire or in the ocean...i saw it fly into a cloud...
i still say it flew into another dimension or the aliens grabbed it...
but, i'm still waiting for the french to reveal their findings... theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/4672/next-group-experiment-14-2014
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 21:11:06 GMT -6
I'll still be very happy for the families if they find the rest of it..and it's cargo. They have found more debris..just testing it takes time. I wouldn't want to think of my loved ones stuck in some dimension (they may not all be nice ones) or being the experiment of aliens..still....it's good that we all have our opinions
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Post by auntym on Aug 10, 2015 14:45:42 GMT -6
I'll still be very happy for the families if they find the rest of it..and it's cargo. They have found more debris..just testing it takes time. I wouldn't want to think of my loved ones stuck in some dimension (they may not all be nice ones) or being the experiment of aliens..still....it's good that we all have our opinions Next Group Experiment: July 31, 2015 Post by jokelly on 30 minutes ago My personal theory was that the lithium batteries in the cargo hold (and why were they on a commercial flight in the first place) ignited and a fire spread taking out the communications equipment. I think then that the pilot took the plane into a steep climb to suffocate the fire...which I think it did. I think the passengers and crew succumbed to fumes or oxygen deprivation and that the plane went onto auto pilot. I think it became what some of us saw in our experiment..a plane flying through the night until it ran out of fuel and went into the ocean. The engines would not have run out of fuel at the same time..and that could have driven it further off course.. At this point..it won't ever be proven unless found...but I'd hate to be a family member listening to the wacked out theories of what happened to my loved ones..I'd rather think of them gone..moved on to the next phase of life ******************************************************************************** i'll be very happy for the families also if they ever find parts to that plane that supposedly crashed...
i hate to think of any of my loved ones going down in a burning plane, crashing into the ocean or the aliens snatching them or flying into another dimension...
all scenarios would be a nightmare for the victims & the survivors
as for the 'whacked out' theories i suggested... its not improbable, just think of the bermuda triangle...and all the lives & planes & boats we've lost & never heard from again or found...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 22:51:53 GMT -6
Oh I know Auntie..where you're coming from and I apologize..I didn't mean to personalize that...but sometimes a crash..is just a crash. Very very big ocean..people looking in the wrong spot..a plane slipping into the ocean rather than violently crashing causing little debris. This one was something I just knew something I..felt. Aside from not understanding why any alien race would want to cause a possible incident with sentient beings..in abducting a plane load of people and the plane..the thing would have to be huge. A possible slip into another dimension..that's not incredible to me at all..but it isn't what I felt. When we did our experiment..that IS what I felt..the plane gliding along in the night silent..then gone. No scenario is good for people anguishing over relatives and some of those were children. But the thought of loved ones in the hands of terrorists or aliens..to me would be much less comforting and more cruel than the reality of a death and ability to move on with their lives. Some of those people are still hoping..believing their loved ones are still alive. My psychic's mind..knows they are not. The difference between us I think..is that you want things like UFO abductions of planeloads of people..or tears in dimensions to be the explanation..on the other hand..I definitely believe these things are possible but I very much do not want them to be. Why? Well I had one a couple of run-ins with the 'other worldly' that were not dandy..and I'd hate for all of those people to be trapped on some alien world..no way to know how they would be treated..as lab rats or? And some were children. As for dimensions..who knows what they might be like..acid rain? A world where Hitler won? Where the dinosaurs lived? I'm not ready for that tour..and they may possibly all exist..how would the people fare in that case? See..I'm not ready to contemplate that. I know what I felt from those guys..I wouldn't wish it on another. Again..I know you believe in good guy aliens..in ones that want to take care of us and help us along...you want your aliens to be good and kind..I'm very much afraid they're not that at all I'd rather hope you're right...but
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Post by lois on Aug 10, 2015 23:42:58 GMT -6
There is a new virus scam . You will think you are going to see the plane crash into the water. Do not open it.
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