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Post by mdaisy on Mar 15, 2011 19:53:35 GMT -6
I agree MDaisy..even with the catastrophe at hand..anything like that would have made reputable news sources and I've been combing the net for anything related. Nothing. Some people will even use disasters to try to piggyback their idiocy and then try inflicting even more panic on a heartbreaking situation. like the aflac comedian who was making jokes about the quake already (fired by the way). Considering aflac is the major carrier for Japan that might not have been a wise career move. Sick fool. Thanks Jokelly. I felt kind of bad about writing the post as I am the new kid here so-to-speak. With the seriousness of Japan though, I could not let potential misinformation be propagated by another source. Awhile back an established UFO researcher called and asked me to quietly search for a significant local UFO sighting. I quietly did so and found out it was a "wishful" article posted by an amateur "news" source. Fortunately thanks to our efforts another flaky story was quelled. Doing the above, I believe, lends credence to UFO studies and reports. What do you think?
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Post by auntym on Mar 15, 2011 21:32:43 GMT -6
www.aolnews.com/2011/03/15/heroic-team-inside-fukushima-nuclear-plant-probably-terrified/?icid=maingHeroic Team Inside Fukushima Nuclear Plant 'Probably Terrified' Dana Kennedy Contributor Mar 15, 2011 Kyodo News / AP Radiation leaked from the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, shown in 2008, in tsunami-ravaged northeastern Japan after a third reactor was rocked by an explosion Tuesday and a fourth caught fire.The roughly 50 technicians inside Fukushima's crippled Dai-ichi nuclear power plant, where Tokyo Electric Power said today a "critical meltdown" could develop, have one of the deadliest jobs in the world right now. The workers are cut off from the outside world in a stricken plant where even the telephone lines have been disconnected. A crack was reported in the roof of the reactor building late today, and technicians are racing against time since Friday's earthquake and tsunami to prevent serious damage to three reactors and the spread of life-threatening radiation. Two workers were reported missing after today's explosion, officials said. "They're like the firefighters who went into the World Trade Center," Francois Perchet, a former nuclear reactor manager now with London's World Nuclear Association, told AOL News today. "They're taking action, they're fully engaged and they know they're saving lives. They might need help for trauma later on, but right now they know they're doing the right thing," he said. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by auntym on Mar 15, 2011 22:03:24 GMT -6
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread674256/pg1Japanese media report thousands of UFO SightingsTopic started on 14-3-2011 @ 12:53 PM by Haydn_17 Japanese media, there’s been hundreds and upwards of “thousands of UFO sightings” According to Japan’s Kyodo News Agency and other Japanese media, there’s been hundreds and upwards of “thousands of UFO sightings” over the country since Friday’s 8.9 magnitude earthquake. Also, video footage from the news channel NHK World English and personal videos show a UFO speeding with bright lights in the sky and then skimming over the Pacific near the quake zones in Japan. The UFO sighting videos have been show on regional TV and the Internet since Friday, with the world UFO community noting “strange light trails following the UFO’s over Japan.” TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK I did a quick search at the Kyodo news site and could not find anything. This may not mean anything as it seems portions of the site require payment or whatever to view articles. I quickly Googled and found nothing either. I then searched the National UFO Reporting Center and found nothing either. I suspect if the story was legit this site would have it. Some thoughts, MDaisy i'm not quite sure what your complaint is mdaisy....are you saying KYODO NEWS is not legit? or are you saying their sources are not legit?
please clarify....
if you're saying KYODO NEWS is not legit, then take a look at the bottom of the picture in the post i just posted.... it reads KYODO NEWS/ AP
if you are saying sources are using KYODO NEWS name illegally, and there wasn't an article written by KYODO NEWS on UFOs in Japan since the 8.9.... i feel there would be serious consequences for the writers, and they would be heading to court....
but, i think any writer out there would know better than to falsify sources....
if you are talking about ABOVETOPSECRET....they are a forum just like us....
my guess is KYODO NEWS had a story on this, otherwise they wouldn't have been used as a source in the article you are talking about....
but, i could be wrong....
i'm confused.....spell it out for me
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 22:44:45 GMT -6
I found other sources 'quoting' Kyodo about UFO's but I can't find any reports from Kyodo itself. I think they might have overlooked the possibility of earthquake lights too. I have to agree here that if a major news source (like Kyodo) were talking about some kind of UFO invasion..it should have been picked up by sources over here (news sources). I can see how earthquake lights could be mistaken for UFO's and I understand they are seen over volcano's also. More pictures of different types of Earthquake lights: images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-701&sz=all&va=earthquake+lights
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Post by mdaisy on Mar 15, 2011 22:49:28 GMT -6
What I wrote is that I can not find any information at the Kyodo News Agency web site. I searched and nothing came up. I checked Reuters nothing there either.
I did find two other sources, if I remember right, and neither was a mainstream newspaper. It looks like the contributors are unpaid and not professional journalists.
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Post by mdaisy on Mar 15, 2011 22:51:31 GMT -6
Nothing at the Associated Press web site either.
I'm sorry but this is probably a "wishful" story made up to take advantage of a bad situation in Japan.
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Post by mdaisy on Mar 15, 2011 22:57:36 GMT -6
Finally I've been listening and watching to NHK online and I have not heard or seen anything about this subject. I'm sorry.
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Post by auntym on Mar 15, 2011 22:58:14 GMT -6
www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/health/workers-abandon-nuclear-plant%3B-2-reactors-believed-melting-mar-15-2011 Workers Abandon Nuclear Plant; 2 Reactors Believed Melting2 reactor cores believed partially melted so far Updated: Tuesday, 15 Mar 2011, 11:54 PM CDT Published : Tuesday, 15 Mar 2011, 9:54 PM CDT FUKUSHIMA, Japan (AP) - Japan suspended operations to prevent a stricken nuclear plant from melting down Wednesday after a surge in radiation made it too dangerous for workers to remain at the facility. Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said work on dousing reactors with water was disrupted by the need to withdraw. The disaster-stricken nation is now considering "desperate measures" to contain the growing threat. Japan's nuclear safety agency said plant operators are considering spraying water and boric acid over the plant's reactors. Boric acid contains boron, which helps slow nuclear reactions by absorbing neutrons, said Naj Meshkati, a nuclear power plant safety expert at the University of Southern California -- but the same acid also melted away steel when it was used repeatedly at a troubled northern Ohio nuclear plant. The level of radiation at the plant surged to 1,000 millisieverts early Wednesday before coming down to 800-600 millisieverts. Still, that was far more than the average TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 8:57:11 GMT -6
Yes..it's a horrible situation. In some last ditch effort the police were drying to douse one of the reactors with a water cannon used for riot control and a helicopter trying to make a water drop couldn't get close enough to do it. I can't even begin to imagine how terrified these people are
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Post by sansseed on Mar 16, 2011 9:06:33 GMT -6
I heard this right before going to bed last night. This morning I heard that the workers were sent back. They must feel they are on a suicide mission.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 16, 2011 11:20:07 GMT -6
Actually the situation at the Fukushima plant is not as bad as it appears. Apparently there was an error in translation which led the news media to believe that the employees were being evacuated permanently when they actually meant to say they were being withdrawn temporarily due to a spike in the amount of radiation. They returned later on when radiation levels fell. There also was a mistranslation when they reported that a meltdown was under way. What they meant to was that there was a chance that a partial meltdown might be underway but they still do not know for sure. They are currently filling the reactors with sea water in order to cool it. They believe that the sea water should cool the reactor within five to ten days but will permanently put the reactor out of commission due to the corrosiveness of the salt water. Here are a couple of websites with some interesting info... 1031424110.blogspot.com/2011/03/fukushima-i-nuclear-accidents.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_nuclear_accidents
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 17:23:23 GMT -6
They've been using the sea water for a couple of days. Japan's Prime Minister is furious because the company in charge of the reactors has not been telling them everything. They've had problems in the past so there's no telling right now..how bad the situation is. We only know what we're being told..same with the Japanese people. Think no one would lie? 'The power company, Japan's biggest, has been plagued for years by scandal over its role in the nuclear industry. In 2002, the company's president and four of his top executives were forced to resign after TEPCO was suspected of falsifying nuclear plant safety records'. www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/us-japan-quake-question-idUSTRE72E31J20110315NRC should have been called in and wasn't..other countries are concerned about that. This is from Nuclear Chief Jaczko as of today: “We believe that the secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent-fuel pool,” Jaczko said today at a hearing of a House Energy and Commerce Committee panel. www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-16/nuclear-chief-jaczko-says-no-water-in-spent-fuel-pool-at-japan-reactor.html
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Post by skywalker on Mar 16, 2011 18:32:59 GMT -6
I have heard every type of horror story anybody could possibly conceive about the nuclear situation in Japan...but nobody knows for sure what the situation is. Some say there are five reactors melting down, others say one is partially melting, others say that none of them are yet but they could at any second...how is anybody supposed to know what is going on with all of this nonsense going around? People all over the world are scared to death when they have no reason to be, and people in the most dangerous areas of Japan are probably not scared when they probably should be. The so-called "news media" is not helping by printing all of this rampant speculation and nonsense. If they don't have facts they should not report anything. All they are doing is needlessly scaring the heck out of people. I remember they did the same thing back when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans. The "news media" was reporting a bunch of nonsense about 10,000 people being dead and sharks swimming up and down the flooded streets eating the dead bodies. They said the water was a toxic soup, that bodies were stacked like firewood in the Superdome, that street gangs were shooting at helicopters and gang-raping rescue workers, and that the police chief came home and found his wife and daughter had been raped and murdered so he committed suicide. Not a word of it was true. Listening to today's "news media" is like looking at UFO videos. You have to go through a hundred hoaxes to find one that might be real.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 19:59:55 GMT -6
I agree Sky that the news media is not particularly reliable any more but I've seen the 'after' pictures of these cities..I've seen the mass destruction that used to be the homes of people and I've seen the tears of those who have lost loved ones. Don't need media reports to see grief and feel someone else's pain. As far as the reactors go..I think it's a good idea to think 'extremely bad' and then be pleasantly surprised to find everyone was lying and the reactors are perfectly fine. I think..I'm in not alone in this as two nuclear physicists I've heard speak are pretty sure they're in some serious trouble. The news may exploit things as they always do but it doesn't mitigate the reality, this was a catastrophe. Naturally they won't know the death toll for weeks but I'm betting it will be easily in the thousands.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 16, 2011 20:33:55 GMT -6
I'm not saying it wasn't a disaster, Jo. It is actually three disasters in one...huge earthquake, huge tsunami, and now potential nuclear meltdowns. Any one of those would have been bad enough by itself, but all three at the same time...definitely not good. Judging by the pictures I have seen it looks like the tsunami did the most damage. Lots of peoples are suffering because of it. I just wish we could get some accurate news once in a while instead of all of this politicisation and speculation. I want to know what is going on, not what somebody wants me to think is going on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 21:53:19 GMT -6
When no one knows exactly..then the guesses start. It's sort of like UFO enthusiasts...just a hint...that someone might have glimpsed something turns into a veritable flap sometimes. You're right..and that is a shame Truth be told..no one is going to know for awhile how bad it is and that's part of the problem..they want to provide the news now before someone else does so..they stretch what they have and they bring on experts who can only guess because they aren't there and don't have any more information than anyone else does. Makes me frustrated too:( They are supposed to have some mega power cable almost ready to go that will allow them to activate the cooling machinery. I sure hope that helps them settle it down. There was some expert on CNN (and I wish I heard his name) but they asked if it could get as bad as Chernobyl. He said that it already was as Chernobyl..way past 3 Mile Island and carving it's own sad place in history. Hope he's very wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 1:55:21 GMT -6
I just wish we could get some accurate news once in a while instead of all of this politicisation and speculation. I want to know what is going on, not what somebody wants me to think is going on. *likes the word "politicisation" and thinks it should be added to the dictionary*
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Post by skywalker on Mar 17, 2011 2:26:19 GMT -6
*likes the word "politicisation" and thinks it should be added to the dictionary* You mean that is not a real word?
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Post by sansseed on Mar 17, 2011 7:15:11 GMT -6
*likes the word "politicisation" and thinks it should be added to the dictionary* You mean that is not a real word? Nope, but it was done well. In true Bushian style. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 9:32:01 GMT -6
first known use of it was in 1846..it's archaic.
politicize, politicise [pəˈlɪtɪˌsaɪz] vb 1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) (tr) to render political in tone, interest, or awareness 2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) (intr) to participate in political discussion or activity politicization , politicisation noun
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Post by sansseed on Mar 17, 2011 9:45:46 GMT -6
first known use of it was in 1846..it's archaic. politicize, politicise [pəˈlɪtɪˌsaɪz] vb 1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) (tr) to render political in tone, interest, or awareness 2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) (intr) to participate in political discussion or activity politicization , politicisation noun Every day is a learning opportunity.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 17, 2011 10:27:02 GMT -6
Ah ha!! Bush and I have been vindicated! ;D Now see if "nucular" is in there...
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 17, 2011 11:41:29 GMT -6
Truth at last. After scouring the Internet and the news media for days trying to find out some truth about what is going on with the nuclear reactors in Japan I have finally found some accurate information. This comes from the Nuclear Energy Institute, whose job it is to moniter the production of nuclear energy around the world. This is what there website says about the current situation. www.nei.org/newsandevents/information-on-the-japanese-earthquake-and-reactors-in-that-region/UPDATE AS OF 11:35 A.M. EDT, THURSDAY, MARCH 17:
Fukushima Daiichi The reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant are in stable condition and are being cooled with seawater, but workers at the plant continue efforts to add cooling water to fuel pools at reactors 3 and 4.
The status of the reactors at the site is as follows:
Reactor 1’s primary containment is believed to be intact and the reactor is in a stable condition. Seawater injection into the reactor is continuing.
Reactor 2 is in stable condition with seawater injection continuing. The reactor’s primary containment may not have been breached, Tokyo Electric Power Co. and World Association of Nuclear Operators officials said on Thursday.
Access problems at the site have delayed connection of a temporary cable to restore off-site electricity. The connection will provide power to the control rod drive pump, instrumentation, batteries and the control room. Power has not been available at the site since the earthquake on March 11.
Reactor 3 is in stable condition with seawater injection continuing. The primary containment is believed to be intact. Pressure in the containment has fluctuated due to venting of the reactor containment structure.
TEPCO officials say that although one side of the concrete wall of the fuel pool structure has collapsed, the steel liner of the pool remains intact, based on aerial photos of the reactor taken on March 17. The pool still has water providing some cooling for the fuel; however, helicopters dropped water on the reactor four times during the morning (Japan time) on March 17. Water also was sprayed at reactor 4 using high-pressure water cannons.
Reactors 5 and 6 were both shut down before the quake occurred. Primary and secondary containments are intact at both reactors. Temperature instruments in the spent fuel pools at reactors 5 and 6 are operational, and temperatures are being maintained at about 62 degrees Celsius. TEPCO is continuing efforts to restore power at reactor 5.
Fukushima Daini All four reactors at the Fukushima Daini plant have reached cold shutdown conditions with normal cooling being maintained using residual heat removal systems.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 12:27:38 GMT -6
first known use of it was in 1846..it's archaic. politicize, politicise [pəˈlɪtɪˌsaɪz] vb 1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) (tr) to render political in tone, interest, or awareness 2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) (intr) to participate in political discussion or activity politicization , politicisation noun Ooo Ooo!!! It IS in the dictionary!!! ;D Thanks Jo... i guess I should have looked it up before I assumed it wasn't a word... serves me right for trusting the spell checker on this forum which has been wrong before... lol...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 12:33:58 GMT -6
Thanks for the update sky. Their main problem is their electricity is off and the plant relies on electricity to keep the core cool by pumping in cool water. After they get the electricity restored things should be fine... if none of the inner shells have been breached that is... and it appears that the probably aren't. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 13:03:23 GMT -6
I am not trying to be argumentative here but like everyone else, the NEI are making assessment based on what the Japanese are providing (they are quoting TEPCO). No one has been able to get close enough yet to see how bad the damage is..other than what they can see from a distance. TEPCO are the ones who falsified safety protocols a few years back and they are the ones providing what information is available even to the Japanese government. I think that with the US chartering planes to get our people out..no one is getting all of the truth Among the company’s (TEPCO'S) record of more than 200 proven falsifications of safety inspection reports are several relating to the stricken Fukushima Daiichi facility itself. In 2002, TEPCO admitted to falsifying reports about cracks that had been detected in core shrouds at reactors number 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, as far back as 1993. Please read the horror story about TEPCO here: axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_62544.shtml
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Post by paulette on Mar 17, 2011 20:31:54 GMT -6
Thank you jokelly. I appreciate your critical analysis of things not spoken. There may be many reasons to not give the full truth of the situation. In no particular order - to not further destabilize a freaked out population that has no where to go and no way to get there (and thus are still in the radioactive zone), to not upset or prejudice overseas people against buying goods (that could be slightly radioactive/or not. To save face - I heard the spokesperson for the Emperor/Prime Minister tell a newswoman that they knew more than most of us here did about radiation AFTER THEIR WAR EXPERIENCE. Ok...I got that reference. To not be on the news as a failure - I believe that it was more acceptable to commit seppaku than fail hence the comakazee pilots- and maybe the Proud 50 teams hold to that belief. I'm sure this is just the first handful of reasons to not-talk about the full extent of the radiation and danger to people from it.
Want to know something really scary? I'm a counsellor, I work with counsellors, everyone at work today was just "fine". No one had anything to say about any worries, thoughts, effects. My clients had barely noticed what was going on except a few threw a few more water bottles in the earthquake kit. I feel like I'm living in zombie land. Everyone's brain has been eaten and they haven't noticed yet.
I had yet another "discussion" with my husband and he said, why are you so upset about all this? And I said, because I'm witnessing the betrayal of the Japanese people living around the reactors - they need to be further than 20 klics away. And he said, "Well they would TELL THEM if they should be further away.
My point exactly. They (the people making formal announcements in Japan - the government people, nuclear people whoever) are knowing not saying any thing. But by then he was completely asleep.
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Post by mdaisy on Mar 17, 2011 20:39:05 GMT -6
All I know is that I would hike out of the area as fast as I could. Unfortunately the roads and ways out are probably not the best.
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Post by sansseed on Mar 18, 2011 8:59:46 GMT -6
I read that they have raised the threat level from 4 to 5 (out of 7), but didn't change the evacuation radius (12 miles). Call me paranoid, but if I lived within 100 miles of that place I would be leaving.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2011 9:28:40 GMT -6
I understand the anger at betrayal Paulette. We get a bit of that at home from time to time with our own government. This is something more..it's the government wanting to stick it's head in the sand OR that company would NOT be in control of the situation. Bring in military law..do something..get rid of TEPCO and call in some help that can actually tell you what is happening. They need to get their people away from that mess. Heck Japan is a financially comfortable country.
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