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Post by auntym on Jan 7, 2011 16:12:25 GMT -6
Travis Walton Discusses His Abduction Experience
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 17:44:08 GMT -6
EEEEEEEEEK! Fire in the sky! ~hides under her bed with her teddy bear~
I'm glad his experience was not like the way they portrayed it in the movie...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 19:15:03 GMT -6
They so seldom are...yay hollywood
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Post by lois on Jan 8, 2011 0:42:25 GMT -6
When I heard the travis walton story I knew I was not alone, his followed mine by three years. I went totally crazy those three years..
He has always stood fast to what happen to him...
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Post by skywalker on Jan 8, 2011 5:10:04 GMT -6
Travis Walton is one of the abduction stories that I think is the most compelling because there were so many people who witnessed it happen and they have stuck by their story all of these years. They even took lie detector tests.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2011 10:42:21 GMT -6
I absolutely believe his story. Well we know first hand what it can be like to 'share' and the scrutiny that comes with it.
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Post by lois on Jan 8, 2011 21:04:40 GMT -6
His life had been layed out to everyone, his friendship with Mike for one , then there was the movie of course. I know the Movie Fire in the Sky is no all true but fiction added. But it gives one an idea what he went through.
His nephew came forward and said it was all a hoax a while back.. What does he know? he was not old enough at the time to realized much of what was going on. He wants his name included in this event and money money money of course..
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Post by sansseed on Jan 8, 2011 21:38:06 GMT -6
Just added "Fire in the Sky" to my Netflix queue. Yeah, it has taken me this long to think about seeing it. Now lets see how long it sits in my queue.
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Post by lois on Apr 7, 2011 12:37:43 GMT -6
The Travis Walton Case Part One....
Travis Walton Abduction, Part 1 The UFO phenomena is generally given little if any serious consideration by those engaged in credible scientific studies. Without a doubt many so-called UFO sightings can easily be dismissed as misidentified craft, stars, planets, or just plain hoaxes perpetrated by thrill or money seeking individuals. Many books and studies have given us statistics on UFO reports, and roughly about 95% of the sightings can easily be explained away.
Considering the great distances between stars, it is very easy to assume that the odds of a visit from another intelligence are extremely low. These assumptions are based, however, upon the extent of our knowledge, and should another race visit us, they would most certainly possess a higher degree of intelligence than we do. We are trying to judge a possibility while handicapped by the limits of what we know today.
The 1993 release of the movie "Fire In The Sky" was intriguing to many who had waited for a screen presentation of Travis Walton's book by the same name. D. B. Sweeny and James Garner offered the film veteran actors. Those familiar with the actual story were less than impressed with the film's inability to take the full account to the screen.
Those who were not privy to the actual story may have thought it only fiction. There are some great sets, and special effects, but the story is not done justice. My goal in this article, is to present the facts behind the movie; the real story of the abduction of Travis Walton. I ask only one thing of you the reader, reserve final judgment until you have read all the facts.
This baffling UFO case began on November 5th, 1975, in northeastern Arizona's Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest. A logging crew of 7 men were working on a government contract, clearing forest. The men loaded into a single pickup truck leaving work for the day. As they started their journey home they saw, not far from the road, a "luminous object, shaped like a flattened disc."
All of the men agreed that Travis Walton, captivated by the sight, left the truck to get a closer look. While gazing up in awe at the object, suddenly a brilliant, bluish light struck him and threw him to the ground some distance away.
This event caused the other crew members to flee the scene in fear for their lives. After arguing among themselves, they decided to go back and see if they could help Travis. Returning to the scene, they found no trace of the craft, or Travis.
A personal friend of Travis', Mike Rogers, was the crew foreman, and driver of the truck. According to Rogers, as the men fled the scene, he looked back and saw a "luminous object" lift out of the forest, and disappear toward the horizon. Rogers and the other 5 workers eventually would take a lie detector test. The men passed the examination, save for one inconclusive, and soon the case exploded into the national spotlight.
Walton reappeared five days later, confused and scared, with fleeting memories of alien entities, and descriptions of the inside of their craft.
He was also subsequently subjected to a number of polygraph examinations. The Travis Walton event would soon become the very first abduction case to be given serious consideration by many credible scientists. His story would force the general public to reevaluate previously close minded opinions on the subject.
The six witnesses, Allen Dalis, Dwayne Smith, John Goulette, Kenneth Peterson, Mike Rogers, and Steve Pierce, of this controversial case, described the craft in personal, yet similar terms. Rogers' description depicts the craft as a "large, glowing object hovering in the air below the treetops about 100 feet away."
Dwayne Smith described the craft as "smooth and giving off a yellowish-orange light."
Additional eyewitness accounts added the following: "unbelievably smooth," "a flattened disc with "edges clearly defined."
Walton and Rogers both estimated that the craft was about 20 feet in overall diameter.
The details of the event quoted from the investigator's report are as follows: As Walton approached on foot across the clearing, the "UFO began to wobble or rock slightly," and then emitted a "bluish light from the machine... a blue ray shot out of the bottom of that thing and hit him all over," "that ray was the brightest thing I've ever seen."
This light sent Walton "backward through the air ten feet," "hurled through the air in a backwards motion, falling on the ground, on his back," "flying -- like he'd touched a live wire."
"The horror was unreal."
Polygrapher Cy Gilson relates from his documents the following:
Testimony from Allen Dalis: "During the pretest interview, Mr. Dalis related the following events that occurred on that day. Mr. Dalis said they had finished work for the day and were heading home. It was almost dark. He saw a glow coming from among the trees ahead of them.
As they came to a clearing, he saw an object he called a UFO. Mr. Rogers was slowing the truck down to stop as Travis Walton exited the truck and began to advance towards the UFO in a brisk walk...
Mr. Dalis described the UFO as being a yellowish-white in color. He said the light emitting from it was not bright, but a glow that gave off light all around itself.
Mr. Dalis saw Walton reach the UFO, stop and look up at it.
He said it looked as if Walton was standing there, slightly bent over, with his hands in his pockets.
Mr. Dalis said the UFO began to wobble or rock slightly and he began to become afraid. He put his head down towards his knees. As he did so, a bright light flashed that lit up the area, even the inside of the truck.
He immediately looked towards the UFO. He saw a silhouette of Walton. Mr. Walton had his arms up in the air... Mr. Dalis turned towards Mr. Rogers who was in the driver's seat and yelled for him to "get the hell out of here..."
Sworn testimony by Mike Rogers: "... he was on the opposite side of the truck from the UFO. He had to bend over slightly to view it in its entirety through the truck windows. He described the UFO to be glowing a yellowish-tan color. He could not say if the light emanated from within the UFO, or was a lighting system outside, that lit up the UFO.
He did say he could see the shadows of the trees on the ground, around the UFO. He said it was round and about 20 feet in diameter.
He said the UFO was about 75 to 100 feet from the truck...
As Mr. Rogers started to move the truck, a brilliant flash of light lit up the entire area, even inside the truck. It was described as a prolonged strobe flash. He did not see a beam of light emit from the UFO and hit Walton.
As the flash occurred, Mr. Rogers turned around in his seat to look at the UFO again and saw Mr. Walton being hurled through the air in a backwards motion, falling on the ground, on his back. At this time, Mr. Dalis and someone else yelled to "get the hell out of here..."
Upon returning to the scene, the crewmen searched briefly through the woods, calling Walton's name. They then proceeded down to the main road and after some debate, decided to call the police and ask for assistance. They were first met by a Deputy Ellison and subsequently by Sheriff Marlin Gillespie, who would later describe the crewmen as apparently sincerely distressed. The officers and crewmen went back up the hill and searched again with flashlights, eventually calling off the search and making plans for a more thorough manhunt beginning early the next morning.
The next several days were marked by unsuccessful searches for the missing Walton, including some use of helicopters and dogs. Temperatures dropped below zero the first two nights of the search, creating fear that, if Walton was injured and disoriented, he may not survive.
Meanwhile, law enforcement officials were looking for alternate explanations of the event, including thepossibility that Walton had been murdered.
Law enforcement, looking for a more believable explanation than a flying saucer, began a thorough investigation of the facts. All six remaining members of the crew were questioned over and over again. Family members and friends were also interrogated.
One fact that colored this questioning was that all of the men were unlearned, everyday working people, noted to be a little "rough around the edges."
This, of course, is a typical assumption by some that those who have not been successful financially in this world are all liars, cheats, and can't be trusted.
One common theory at the time was that Dalis and Walton had fought, and that Dalis had either accidentally or purposely killed Walton, and hid his body. The problem with this theory was that if a murder had taken place, why would the other 5 crewmen risk the fires of justice to cover for Dalis.
A second theory put forth at the onset was that possibly all of the crewmen had been involved in some kind of brawl or argument, and accidentally killed Travis, hiding his body somewhere in the vast forest.
If this was true, why concoct a story involving a UFO abduction, being one of the most unbelievable stories one could put forth.
Another scenario offered by some was that since the crew was behind on their government contract, they were looking for an excuse to get out of it. Again, why this most bizarre story?
In their initial reports, the 6 crewmen had indicated a willingness to undergo any kind of lie detection test to establish their truthfulness. After the second day of searching, law enforcement officials brought in Cy Gilson, a polygraph examiner from the Department of Public Safety (associated with the state police), to test all the crewman.
Five of the witnesses passed this polygraph examination, while for the sixth, Allen Dalis, the test was ruled inconclusive (unable to assign a reading).
While the successful tests fueled media interest in the case, the inconclusive result for Dalis put some heat on him personally. While some of the crew members, such as Rogers and Walton, had been friends long before the forest service brush-clearing contract, the others were only acquaintances, and in the case of Allen Dalis, he and Walton were said to have had some personal animosities between them.
If Walton had been involved somehow in a conspiracy to deceive authorities, he certainly left his closest family members out of the loop. At approximately 1:30 AM on the morning of Nov. 6, crew members Coplan and Rogers went to notify Walton's mother, Mary Kellett, of her son's disappearance.
Mrs. Kellett's calm response upon being awakened and told her youngest son had been kidnapped by a UFO was "Well, that's the way these things happen," and then she proceeded to described two instances when she and her oldest son, Duane, had also seen UFOs.
Later that morning (approximately 3:00 AM) when Mrs. Kellett told Walton's sister, Mrs. Grant Neff, that "a flying saucer got him [Travis]," Mrs. Neff surprised Coplan with how calmly she also took the news. The rest of that day was taken up by an extensive search of the area where Walton had disappeared.
Curiously absent from the site was any physical evidence of anything happening, in spite of the "explosive" force of the blue-green beam. No blood, no shreds of clothing, no evidence of the blast effects was found by any of the nearly fifty searchers involved. Neither was any evidence found of any violent confrontations among the crew members. There was no trace of Travis Walton.
For as many UFO proponents there are, there are that many and more debunkers. The authorities tried to keep the scene of the incident for serious forensic examination, but the mass influx of people, not only local, but world-wide, made this an impossibility. The crewmen's stories were treated with mixed opinion.
Some marveled to hear what they had seen, and some called them "pranksters" and "liars."
Some even went as far as to suggest that the whole account was nothing more than a joke gone bad, and that Travis was hiding somewhere and would suddenly reappear on cue. At this stage of the investigation there was one question on the minds of all involved, whether friend or foe
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Post by lois on Apr 7, 2011 12:40:21 GMT -6
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Post by lois on Apr 7, 2011 12:43:48 GMT -6
More recent interview
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Post by lois on Apr 7, 2011 12:46:05 GMT -6
I'm putting these old cases here as there are people who may Join Edge of Reality with no clue of old ufo events.. Such as my friend Louise..
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Post by skywalker on Apr 7, 2011 20:34:30 GMT -6
I couldn't help but notice a few sentences here.
I have said repeatedly that the light that zapped me while I was asleep was the brightest light I had ever seen. It seems that this case is agreeing with me.
That is another way that I often describe it...as a prolonged camera flash that just stayed on the whole time. It was so bright it was like it was even lighting up the air molecules.
It is little details like that, things that other people report that match my own experiences, that make me believe some of these stories (and my own) are true. I still think the Travis Walton case is one of the most credible cases there is. Six people described the events and the craft the same way and they all passed a lie detector test. A bunch of hillbilly hoaxers couldn't have pulled that off even if they tried.
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Post by lois on Apr 7, 2011 22:57:06 GMT -6
In the movie they portrayed the case, as authorities believed they murdered Travis. And now a nephew today has come out with a story that Travis was at a hotel for five days. I don't believe it. The condition he was in when they got to him did not sound like he was just laying around a hotel..
The light inside the craft that I witnessed was plain white, but bright like a camera flash, but I got adjusted to it somehow.. All those nights as a teen ager experiencing those awful mind control games of theirs I never once seen a bright light in my room. There was no sign of anything, only that I experienced it again when I stood under the craft for the first time 11 years later.
People talk about beings in their bedrooms .. I did fear something was going to happen to me. Thats why I always left my room to be with family members. And there with my family the mind thing stopped.. strange. If they took me whle awake doing homework, they sure washed it all away. I never had any idea what was happening to me..
Did you feel someone was in your room at the time of the light?
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Post by lois on Apr 7, 2011 23:00:13 GMT -6
Oh yes the ufo I witnessed over my home a few years back did wobble.. I never owned a camera then.. maybe it wobble as it just came out of a black cloud of lightning. No I have seen many wobblle in videos
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2011 10:22:53 GMT -6
Like most people I find the Travis Walton Case very compelling and until recently I didn't know that there was 'counter' evidence. That Travis and his friends were known to drink (a lot) and one of them in particular had failed a drug test within the same time frame. This is an article by the Sheriff's nephew and he brings up some very interesting points. Yes..Travis passed a lie detector test but take a look at the questions asked and anyone of us could have passed it. As for motive..Travis is a pretty wealthy fella now but he was about to lose the contract that would have bankrupted him and his brother. I'm not saying the sheriff's nephew is right or wrong ..just that he brings interesting points to the table also..and that people should see all sides to the issues. He knows Travis and his friends..went to school with them and knows the area. www.xnewsnow.com/latest-news/sherif%E2%80%99s-nephew-claims-travis-walton-hoax-well-known/This is again on the lie detector test: www.disclose.tv/forum/travis-walton-hoax-evidence-t36329.html1) The Walton brothers, Travis especially had a Fascination with UFO's claiming on many occasions see one. 2) Travis Walton's mother showed no remorse during her sons disappearence. 3) Travis Walton was known and held a reputation typically as a practical joker. 4) It is still widely believed to this very day that Travis Walton and his crew created the event to terminate their contract. 5) Upon Walton's return he wrote a book about his experience entitled "Fire in the sky" which would fetch him thousands of dollars as apart of a money making scheme and a movie deal. Is it that we want to believe in star travelers so much that we don't examine all of the evidence? I ask myself this the more I see. I HAD an abduction experience with my friend and another when I was very young..I don't have any way of knowing they came from another planet and they apparently don't want us to know. Lately I need to understand the excitement that drives us to the leaps we make.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 8, 2011 12:24:21 GMT -6
Did you feel someone was in your room at the time of the light? I felt like there was somebody there but I never saw anybody so i couldn't say for sure. Something had to pull the sheets off of me and put me in the position I was in because I never sleep like that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2011 13:56:04 GMT -6
You've had so many nightmares Sky that I know something traumatized your mind ..
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Post by skywalker on Apr 8, 2011 15:45:48 GMT -6
Yeah... something did...but what?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2011 15:53:18 GMT -6
Did you feel someone was in your room at the time of the light? I felt like there was somebody there but I never saw anybody so i couldn't say for sure. Something had to pull the sheets off of me and put me in the position I was in because I never sleep like that. I try to avoid sleeping on my back too because I'm always in that position when I have sleep paralysis... but I do sleep on my back sometimes... for years and years I thought it was just as simple as "If you fall asleep on your back, you have sleep paralysis." But many times, I would wake up on my back after falling asleep on my stomach or on my side. I always assumed, "Oh, I was tossing and turning and ended up on my back and that's what caused it..." Rationalizing is a good thing sometimes. ;D
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Post by lois on Apr 8, 2011 16:14:12 GMT -6
someone put auntyms travis walton on the historical cases. I did not see this one Auntym it must of come from some other topic ..
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Post by skywalker on Apr 8, 2011 16:45:33 GMT -6
I combined both of them together.
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Post by skywalker on May 19, 2011 18:47:00 GMT -6
I found a debunker page that has a bunch of debunker articles debunking the Travis Walton case. I don't know how accurate they are but it was interesting reading them. The problem with some of these debunkers is that they are just as extreme as the tin-foil people, just in the opposite direction. There are several different articles posted here. Strangly though, I was only able to access this one page. I couldn't get on the home page of the debunker website. Could somebody have debunked it? www.debunker.com/texts/walton.html
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 19:15:45 GMT -6
I wrote some stuff about that Sky...forget where I put it but there is some really convincing stuff that it was a hoax. He told some whoppers and the lie detector test was of interest. He failed the first and the second had 'sculpted' questions. He lied about his interest in UFO's..and his business was failing. There was more but I can't remember it off hand..it's in here somewhere
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Post by skywalker on May 19, 2011 20:06:11 GMT -6
What about the other six people who passed the lie detector test? Thay all say they saw a strange lighted something or other. Plus he was gone for several days. It's possible he could have failed the first one because of his emotional state caused by the abduction...or he could be a lying SoB. Or he could have been pressured and used by a bunch of other people who had their own personal motives and agendas. It may be that the Walton case, just like all other UFO/abduction cases, has been twisted so far out of proportion we may never know the truth about what really happened. It's possible even Travis himself doesn't really know what happened.
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Post by Steve on May 19, 2011 23:40:55 GMT -6
The Travis Walton case has a number of unique features all it's own. Significantly was the length of time between Travis Walton's disappearance and his reappearance - missing 5 days! Notably too - the involvement of law authorities in the case - while the subject was still missing! If abduction cases are rare among UFO cases in general, among abduction cases - 5 days is a most unusual length of missing time. Usually it is for hours, or just 90 minutes - seldom for 5 days. When examined by physicians upon his return, Walton clearly showed signs of hunger, and more notably - severe dehydration consistent with being missing for 5 days. Walton was not sure how long he had been missing. I remember also what Jo mentioned, that Travis had failed the first lie detector test. A second test was conducted, this time paid for by the "National Inquirer'. As Jo states too, those second lie detector set of questions were leading and sculpted bias toward the National Inquirer's interest in scooping a sensational media story. "The Travis Walton event would soon become the very first abduction case to be given serious consideration by many credible scientists." Not true! Some scientists did look into the 1975 Travis Walton case, approaching the case each from their own angles. But just as many scientists (but not many in total as you might hope) gave as much consideration to the Barney/Betty Hill Case a decade earlier. After John Fuller's New York Times best seller 'The Interrupted Journey' (1966) hit the book stores. The Hill abduction occurred in September 1961, investigated in 1963-64 (and to some extent still to this day), the best selling book published in 1966. www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case315.htmIn hindsight - Walton's case was also just the beginning of a new rash of notable abductions reports within a year! So in the context of all that was going on, one would hope at least some self respecting scientist might get out of bed and at least look into it? Considering a pattern was clearly forming. The cases below caught much public attention: Abduction of Air Force Sergeant Moody - August 13, 1975 - Alamogordo, New Mexico. (one man) ufos.about.com/od/aliensalienabduction/p/moody.htm www.factfictionandconjecture.ca/files/charles_l_moody.html
Travis Walton case - November 5, 1975, Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest, Arizona. (one man) (UFO witnessed by 7, including Walton) www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case242.htm
Stanford, Kentucky Alien Abduction - January 6 1976 (three women) www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case181.htm
The Allagash Alien Abduction - August 1976 Allagash Waterway, Maine. (four men) www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case466.htm
So look also at the context of those times.
The popular/ media phrase 'Missing time' did not really become popularized until Budd Hopkins in 1987 in his book 'Intruders'.
Still, all these cases listed from the 1960's and 1970's all have 'missing time' contained within them.
Looking back, it would be easy to see the consensus of facts easily now as outlined in Hopkins book. But earlier - the notion of 'missing time' was there - but it took independent investigators/researchers of these notable 1970's cases when they began to compare notes (probably reading each others books) to really begin to see some astonishing patterns.
Even among some UFO groups, such abduction accounts then were not taken seriously by some in the field. At first, these new abduction accounts were being compared (quite wrongly) with previous (1950's) absurd 'contactee' cases.
A dramatically new & disturbing wrinkle in the UFO mystery had emerged.
Steve
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Post by paulette on May 21, 2011 23:43:25 GMT -6
I think that we are increasingly booked and scheduled and it is easier now to note unaccounted for time. Granted Travis was supposedly gone for 5 days. One could spend 5 days lost in the bush (his buddies drove off and left him) maybe with a raging hangover, hungry, scratched up, even thirsty - seemed like I recall they were in the mountains - creeks are not so easy to access at high altitudes. Kids didn't use to have to be home until supper time. Adults might be driving somewhere and get back later - no one would be particularly concerned. Many people rode the rails, and probably didn't even know what day it was.
The visitors (if there are visitors) would have had easy pickings without the rest of us becoming alarmed up until very recently.
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Post by skywalker on May 22, 2011 10:26:03 GMT -6
Does anybody know of any other abductions thatwere reported to have lasted for several days?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2011 11:01:06 GMT -6
I don't know about other lengthy abductions Sky. A matter of hours seem to be the most often stated. Maybe they can't facilitate our species for long periods of time? This..is worth mentioning...from the nephew of the sheriff at the time of the Walton case. He paints a different picture of Travis and his friends (of course) and that the motive for all of this may have been a need for money because of failed lumber contracts. According to the article it was also common knowledge that the air force was conducting training in the area and seeing lights in the sky wasn't unusual. "yes Travis got out of the truck and looked up in the sky at the weird lights that were above him and yes a spot light came all around him, and Mike Rogers drove off and left him and the spot light came on the truck which scared all the men in the truck, the spot light was only on them for a second, Mike drove to the diner which was twelve miles down the road called the red robin inn diner, MIKE WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO WENT BACK TO PICK-UP TRAVIS FROM THE SPOT WHERE HE FOUND TRAVIS WHO WAS PASSED OUT FROM DRINKING AFTER THEY GOT DONE WITH WORK THAT DAY,they were going to lose there contracts in a couple days which was going to bankrup Travis and Mikes business. TRAVIS WALTON WAS AT DALLAS’S HOUSE IN CONCHO ARIZONA FOR FIVE DAYS GETTING HIGH OFF HIS A$$" www.getxnews.com/2010/07/sherif%E2%80%99s-nephew-claims-travis-walton-hoax-well-known/www.ghosttheory.com/2010/07/30/sheriffs-nephew-travis-walton-lied-about-alien-abduction
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Post by skywalker on May 22, 2011 12:16:38 GMT -6
I've seen that story from the nephew before. the problem with it is that it is all hearsay. He heard about the story from his uncle who never believed the abduction story so of course he's going to be negative about it, but where's his evidence? Where is the proof? That's the question the debunkers are always asking. I think the burdon of providing proof should be on anybody who makes outrageous claims, whether it be for or against, not just one or the other.
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