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Post by plutronus on Sept 11, 2012 13:37:50 GMT -6
What are they called? Those aren't contactees or abductees. Is that what they call a starchild? As I understand things, they often call themselves, 'walk-ins' and another phrase I've heard with the Pleidians is 'Star Travelers'.
"StarChild" on the other hand, is promoted as being an advanced state of reincarnation, similar to, and heterologically evolved from the mid-90's Indigo-Children concept that is apparently falling out of vogue.
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Post by plutronus on Sept 11, 2012 0:17:07 GMT -6
Sh..t. I was typing and miskeyed and everything disappeared.
Sorry for buttin in,
When that happens, try doing a ^Z to return your lost screen information (held in your PC's screen buffer).
Some folks may not know the 'Control' codes....
"Control Z"....means... press both the Control and the 'Z' keys at same time. If returned screen text is highlighted, press an arrow key or deselect using mouse. Resume editing.
On most AT-104 'style' Keyboards, the Control key is marked as 'ctrl', these keys are typically located at both left and right sides of keyboard in the vicinity of the Space-Bar.
Hope this helps....
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Post by plutronus on Sept 10, 2012 20:14:25 GMT -6
JC..Sage mixed with lavender is a good combination
Can't say I have ever felt the need to 'shield' my head but then I've never felt compromised that way so it's hard for me to understand it. When I remembered the abduction..I was terrified. I asked in prayer for protection and there have only been a few times when I've known they were 'close' but as far as I know..never closer than that awareness. I was confused the other day when my ear suddenly went 'quiet' after 40 years but it only lasted a day..and maybe someone was tinkering with it to get some reaction. If so..they were disappointed. [/size] @jokelly,
When you say it went quiet, what did it sound like when noisy?
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Post by plutronus on Sept 10, 2012 5:36:37 GMT -6
According to the National Weather Service the noise was produced by a natural phenomenon called "Tropospheric ducting" which is supposedly where the sound of thunder bounces off of a temperature inversion layer and creates a noise that can travel for many miles.
I found this special weather report from the National Weather Service that was issued on March 9 shortly after the weird noise was heard.
SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL 718 PM EST WED MAR 9 2011
JACKSON-CALHOUN-INLAND GULF-INLAND FRANKLIN-GADSDEN-LEON- INLAND JEFFERSON-LIBERTY-INLAND WAKULLA-COASTAL GULF-COASTAL FRANKLIN-COASTAL JEFFERSON-COASTAL WAKULLA-SEMINOLE-DECATUR-GRADY-THOMAS 718 PM EST WED MAR 9 2011 /618 PM CST WED MAR 9 2011/
...STRANGE SOUNDS BEING REPORTED ACROSS THE FLORIDA BIG BEND...
THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL REPORTS OF VERY STRANGE SOUNDS FROM THE WOODVILLE AREA SINCE ABOUT 645 PM EST. THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BELIEVES THIS PHENOMENON IS BEING CAUSED BY THUNDER FROM DISTANT LIGHTNING STRIKES... BOUNCING OFF A VERY STABLE LAYER ABOVE THE GROUND. THIS IS CALLED DUCTING...AND CAN ALLOW SOUND TO TRAVEL UNUSUALLY LONG DISTANCES. THIS SOUND HAS BEEN MISTAKENLY ATTRIBUTED TO POSSIBLE TORNADOES...BUT WE AT THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THERE ARE NO TORNADOES ... AND NONE ARE EXPECTED
I also found a brief description of the phenomenon in Wikipedea which is mainly talking about tropospheric ducting of radio waves but can apply to sounds also. It brings up several interesting points which may apply to the noise that was heard in Florida. I have highlighted those areas in red.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_ducting#Tropospheric_ducting
Tropospheric ducting
Tropospheric ducting is a type of radio propagation that tends to happen during periods of stable, anticyclonic weather.
In this propagation method, when the signal encounters a rise in temperature in the atmosphere instead of the normal decrease (known as a temperature inversion), the higher refractive index of the atmosphere there will cause the signal to be bent.
Tropospheric ducting affects all frequencies,
and signals enhanced this way tend to travel up to 800 miles (1,300 km) (though some people have received "tropo" beyond 1,000 miles / 1,600 km), while with tropospheric-bending, stable signals with good signal strength from 500+ miles (800+ km) away are not uncommon when the refractive index of the atmosphere is fairly high. . . <<<deletia>>> . . Ducting can occur on a very large scale when a large mass of cold air is overrun by warm air.
This is termed a temperature inversion, and the boundary between the two air masses may extend for 1,000 miles (1,600 km) or more along a stationary weather front.
Temperature inversions occur most frequently along coastal areas bordering large bodies of water. This is the result of natural onshore movement of cool, humid air shortly after sunset when the ground air cools more quickly than the upper air layers. The same action may take place in the morning when the rising sun warms the upper layers.
Even though tropospheric ducting has been occasionally observed down to 40 MHz, the signal levels are usually very weak. Higher frequencies above 90 MHz are generally more favorably propagated.
High mountainous areas and undulating terrain between the transmitter and receiver can form an effective barrier to tropospheric signals.
Ideally, a relatively flat land path between the transmitter and receiver is ideal for tropospheric ducting.
Sea paths also tend to produce superior results.
I am fairly confident that this is the explanation for the noise that people heard. Of course there may be other possible explanations, but this one does match all of the evidence. <<< Even though tropospheric ducting has been occasionally observed down to 40 Million Hz, the signal levels are usually very weak. Higher frequencies above 90 Million Hz are generally more favorably propagated. (CB Radio frequencies) >>>
The anomalous sound initial event time (+ duration) need be UTC time correlated as accurately as possible. Without this basic information its just another fairytale.
Regarding "ducting" there is missing information in the NWS report which is curious, but is understandable too, as ionospheric physics knowledge is presumed.
In any case, atmospheric ducting, in any form, is basically electrical. The NWS report does not mention what caused the ducting, aside from reporting the atmospheric thermocline conditions at the time of their declaration of their suspicion that the 'sound' might have been PROPOGATED by a 'ducting' event. The only thing that causes ducting is the solar-wind impinging on the upper atmosphere, energizing it, electrifying it. The magnetic field of the Earth, causes the solar-plasma to channel along the flux lines to the poles. It is this plasma that electrifies the atmosphere creating the electrosphere or as its called today, the ionosphere. The magnetic flux lines interacting with the thermoclines create the ducts. (I recently worked as a GPS engineer for TTI Aerospace/Comm, we had to create work arounds in DSPs for these effects.)
So, what does all this mean? Track down the sound start time (UTC) and then checkout the magnetometers and the HAARP RIOmeter array to see if there was a powerful solar flare sometime before the sound start and then the subsequent CME cloud. Also find track down when and where the CME entered the atmosphere if there was one on that day, might have been over Florida? See if ya can find the connections. But the ducting still does not explain the sound generation. Sound is audio frequencies, 10 Hertz up to around 20,000 Hertz, not millions. The sound descriptions i've heard, seems to suggest around 2kHz ~ 5kHz. "Shhhhhh" Hissing? White noise. Its just a wild turkey guess, it sounds electrical.
You could be on the right track here, recently, this year, there have been a number of very large solar-flares. Ed Dames predicted a planet killer, we are in the period for it right now...we just don't know whose sun will cause it. His shot-over-the-bow prediction, turned out to be a MagneTar, located 14,000 Light Years from Earth. Contrary to disinfo out there, his predictions have been fairly accurate, so far.
Check out this solar event, last couple of days...see: theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/giant-filament-explosion-erupts-on-the-sun-massive-cme-to-glance-earths-magnetic-field-earth-dodges-dangerous-bullet/
No one knows (that are living) what happens should Earth be hit directly with a CME, and this last one was a very near miss.
Solar events can be planet killers. There is a legend told by the Eskimo people about the time when the Green-Death visited them...the evidence is that it was the Aurora Borealis, ionized atmosphere, the CME was so energetic, ionized all the way down to the ground. Anyone who ventured outside, who breathed the ionization died from it.
Also as an aside, it was ionospheric ducting that is believed to have caused the Tunguska bolide to apparently make right-hand turns, as the bolide was also ionized, sporting a powerful electric-field, like magnets, the bolide, being the lesser force followed the dominate field of the Earth's electrosphere.
Keep up the good work.
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Post by plutronus on Sept 10, 2012 3:49:28 GMT -6
Remember in the movie Signs how the dogs started acting weird when the aliens were sneaking around? Y'all might want to get your tinfoil hat and your baseball bat... I really laughed in that part of the movie, heh, I was the only in the whole audience laughing in fact.
I woke up one day just KNOWING that I needed to shield my head. I know it sounds crazy. But what in this subject isn't? At first I used aluminum-foil from the kitchen, and what's funny, it looked a lot like those in Signs, heh heh. I laugh now, but it was not funny then, it was serious business. I was hurting, with no one to turn to. I did not have a tumor and I wasn't crazy, was I? I have photos of myself wearing charcoal anti-static bags cut and fashioned into pointed Beetle-Bailey Private's Hats, in fact the photo title is "Private-Mind-Control, reporting sir!" Its on tribe.net, if anyone cares to look it up? Technically it makes no sense, not at all, but it worked. It brought me relief, when the things were moving around inside my skull. I can't tell you why it works, all I know is that it does. If you get any similar issues, try it. If you have issues, contact me privately.
As an aside, due to changes in my psychic sensibilities, after the probing sessions ceased as I was wearing the shielded-hat, I could not stand the pain caused by venturing out side my home? My forehead hurt, directly in the middle. I'd close my eyes and see a brilliant smokey-white orb in the center of my minds-eye. It was painful to look at. I called a Vedic business Astrologer that I know, (writes columns for Mtn Astrologer, a printed mag). His wife, used to write columns for UFOmagazine, they were aware of what was happening to me. I told them the lastest, the Astrologer cast a Horary Electional chart to determine remedy, then created a Hebrew Sigil 'shield' head-band placard, 4"x4", black on white, with Divine Hebrew sigils front and back and which he plastic laminated for me. I would wear this with a purple silk head-band when I went outside. It was the only way I could stand the psychic pressure on my third-eye. Picture me running around with a Hebrew Sigils 'shield' plastered to my forehead wearing an antistatic-bag cut into a private's hat.
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Sept 10, 2012 2:16:31 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 10, 2012 2:16:31 GMT -6
I've been loathe to disturb his current direction Plutronus but I'm glad you did. I don't expect anyone I meet here to stay on the forum that long because life tends to move people in other directions like a river current. I always just assume they've moved on in their lives, gotten busy or have out-grown this phase of their lives. Kind of passing acquaintance thing. I say that because none of us really know what goes on in the others lives. The relationships we have with family or jobs or health.. exist beyond the forum here. Whatever his direction I wish him much joy and success. >I've been loathe to disturb his current direction Plutronus but I'm glad you did.
Thank you.
I've found that socializing is the 'glue' that keeps friendships, close, fluid and dynamic through the years. We have to 'open ourselves' to allow room for others to venture in. Though Steve did kick me off the phone fairly quick.
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Sept 9, 2012 22:48:39 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 9, 2012 22:48:39 GMT -6
I love all you guyz!!!! ~hugz everyone~ ;D
~hugz~ to you too Girl..
Yes...is a lovable group...
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Sept 9, 2012 22:46:02 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 9, 2012 22:46:02 GMT -6
I've been loathe to disturb his current direction Plutronus but I'm glad you did. I don't expect anyone I meet here to stay on the forum that long because life tends to move people in other directions like a river current. I always just assume they've moved on in their lives, gotten busy or have out-grown this phase of their lives. Kind of passing acquaintance thing. I say that because none of us really know what goes on in the others lives. The relationships we have with family or jobs or health.. exist beyond the forum here. Whatever his direction I wish him much joy and success. JoKelly....that was very nicely said.
Sincerely,
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Post by plutronus on Sept 9, 2012 10:54:48 GMT -6
SkyWalker,
Its always good reading your posts, you have a delightful way bringing simple truths to things, and it cracks me up too, hee hee.
Venus, weather-balloons and now singin' fish!!
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Sept 9, 2012 7:24:23 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 9, 2012 7:24:23 GMT -6
When I did that test at mufon..
I was left brained which no one else was.
Only funjay and me seemed to be left brained. .........
I never heard tell when left brained goes looking for them they show up..
I would like to read that information. Hi Lois,
Fascinating info. As usual...there's never any absolutes in nature, apparently.
When you say it was a test, how was it done? How were the results learned?
Regarding the lefties and ET sighting statistics, it may take awhile, but I promise to look into that to see what I can ferret out for you.
(FunJay, wow...that's a name and a Gal I haven't heard in awhile. I wonder how she & hubby are doing?)
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Sept 9, 2012 6:47:23 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 9, 2012 6:47:23 GMT -6
I just wonder what exactly they mean when they say "fantasy prone". I am most certainly right hemisphere and very visual. Some may even call me a day dreamer. I like to write, yet before I begin I will visualize the story. I'll sit quietly and play out scenarios visually in my head. I also use positive visualization when I'm looking for certain outcomes in my life. Some may call this fantasizing. Does this make me fantasy prone? I don't know. Maybe. Yet, I like to think that I'm rational when faced with abnormalities in life. I don't think every noise at night is a ghost or every odd light in the sky is a UFO. I guess I'm just wondering what makes one fantasy prone. It seems like a vague term to me. In Mystical schooling, learning to visualize makes one functional.
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Sept 9, 2012 6:37:08 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 9, 2012 6:37:08 GMT -6
Isn't it strange how that works?
The 'more fantasy prone' thing I mean.
I think it's not that the lefties don't see them..
it's that the aliens don't 'hear' them as well.
Maybe part of the 'selection' process is that we won't be believed anyway. :( JoKelly,
All excellent points. I've thought about these issues quite a bit.
>I think it's not that the lefties don't see them..
It seems that they may not remember the events, as their consciousness aren't operating in the proper dimension as the right-hemis are. But its easy to confuse things, ET craft exhibitions are different from EBE exhibitions because they are 'constructed' differently. Then there are luminous-orb type exhibitions which are often mutually confused as well as vice-versa. Luminous-Orbs, I believe are quasi-physical, quasi-psionic and I've seen them bi-locate. The physical craft behave cognitively differently from the EBE exhibitions which seem to be mostly synchronized to Astral sight. The right-hemis operate naturally in the lower realms of Yetzirah...Astral plane, that's where spacialization transpires, while the left-hemis abstract in BiNaH, which is not within the Astral realm. I wonder if there is a way to condition oneself to become a lefty? Then hang-out with righties? <ehhhh> as Bruce Willis says.
>it's that the aliens don't 'hear' them as well.
Yea? I struggle with this one, and I have not been able to track down any info regarding this matter. I often wonder if this is what happens, but if it is, unfortunately begets other questions which were answered another way...its troublesome to my working theory in any case. My ETp experiment was in part designed to test this point.
>Maybe part of the 'selection' process is that we won't be believed anyway.
My working theory and speculation is completely counter to this idea. Its either counter, or there are other issues that are being missed. I suspect, (only a working theory) that if there is any selection processes, its because its an element of another specific alien process about which one is fully unaware. The anecdotal evidence that I think fits the matter, which I've seen both psychically and through other (NDA'd sources) suggests that everyone experiences tuning, like radios on a production like, don't want any of those radios tuning those verboten frequencies. Something in the tuning process seems to awaken us. The pain contacts seems to be part of a different process?
At one juncture, when ET were first mapping my neuro-pathways, I was fully awake. It reminded of a contract I did a few years ago in Virginia, where I was working on a Trident submarine, I had a job to stuff an Elxsi 7000 super-computer inside the airship (that's what they call'em). The Elxsi was located at one end and the gadget I was hooking it to (used to search for BIG Soviet nukes planted off our coasts), was on the other end. And no one knew exactly which wires were what in the three foot diameter cable bundle that ran down the length of the ship. So, using a meter and a jumper wire with aligator clips, I'd short a pair of wires at one end, and then I'd run all the way down to the other end, and then buzz all the wires in the cable to find the shorted pair. That's what it seemed that ET was doing with me. They were searching for my body's resources. Apparently, they don't know what goes to what where? As our brains are connexion machines, each one learns similarly but the actual neural 'wiring' is completely differently brain to brain. They must use us as a cognitive feedback element to map us. They resonate with our bodies so that they can feel what we feel, and then they probe our brain synapses to know what we feel. I'd feel them prodding different areas of my brain, inside my skull. I could feel them moving around in there, it was really weird and a bit scary too, like feeling one's brain doing a muscle spasm or a twitch but with directed purpose, inside the skull. This process occurred on several nights in a sequence. I'd feel some prodding, and then I'd feel a pain in my toe, or an itch on my face (I still feel these occasionally along with colored spots in my vision field, generally red), but when they found the goods down there, my main unit, it was pay dirt baybee! That's when things got really weird...I experienced some of the best sex I've ever felt in my life, all by myself :o But it did not stop there, there were other things that happened also, things I don't feel comfortable talking about.
The only good thing about all of this was that I was awake when it was transpiring, I suspect that it happens to people all the time, why they wait until we are older is a mystery? I suspect most don't know about it, about the mapping when it happens. I envision ET having a huge planetary-wide database cataloging all Human neuro-pathway structures, stored somewhere, that they use to control us in a variety of ways, most of the time we have no clue that we are being influenced or how its being done. Its...just so alien to us, and ludicrous too, like you said, JoKelly, who'd believe it?
Sorry about the length of my posts.
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Sept 9, 2012 5:16:08 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 9, 2012 5:16:08 GMT -6
Back when we were on the old MUFON forum we also did a little study to see whether abductees and experiencers were left brained or right brained and we came to the same conclusion. Almost everybody was what would be considered to be a "right hemi" and just like you described...artistic, creative, imaginitive and open to psychic phenomenon. All of the skeptics would say that the experiencers are more fantasy-prone which would cause them to dismiss the accounts as lacking credibility. It's interesting that your ex-SETI friends actually took the idea seriously. Hi SkyWalker,
Very kewl.
>It's interesting that your ex-SETI friends actually took the idea seriously.
Most of them remain SETIites. Incidentally, SETI hates SETV.
Back to the hemi-test....The hemispheric orientation is now common knowledge in the psychology community. I was surprised to learn that it wasn't prior to the test. The test results papers were published via the SSE peer journal.
The SSE is an authentic scientific frontier phenomenology community, most everyone is an academic. At the conferences, one sees about 50% quantum physicists and the remainder, heh heh, are psychics...psi-intuitives (for JoKelly). Its a fascinating admixture of smart interesting folks. I suspect that ya'll would candy to the SSE conferences/journals...great resource too.
On another subject....I love this board and the Members thinking here. I was chatting with someone recently about this subject. I told'm that one of the reasons I hang-out on the TEOR board is owing to the intelligence I see folks utilizing here and having read books, plus willingness to both read citations (URL links, referrals), and to do that little extra-research to know more. Especially how folks think about things. I've been all over the InterNet over the years, -- folks here actually think about these things, unlike many out there. It is very refreshing. I've learned here too.
The one constant that I've found in my search for ET, --the single most important is Humanity. I found two things, I found Humanity and the Qabalah, 'the escape manual for Humans.'
Thanks...
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Sept 9, 2012 4:27:40 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 9, 2012 4:27:40 GMT -6
Paulette, "Aw shucks.....", might be another way of viewing it? :)) plutronus[/size]
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Sept 8, 2012 22:26:25 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 8, 2012 22:26:25 GMT -6
I think we'll all notice he's not here.. but I wouldn't worry. Life was just taking him along a different path. :) I did just email him and in my best pleading manner asked him to pop in just to let people know he's ok. I haven't wanted to intrude on what I know is a busy time for him. Still I'm sure he'll make the time to check in. :D JoKelly, JCurio, Lois, Casper, Spotless, Touched, LoreLei, Paulette, SkyWalker and All,
FYI
Due to TEOR Community concern, I called Steve this evening. I informed him that folks on the TEOR board are missing him. I asked Steve if everything is 'ok, in his neck of the woods?'. Steve was surprised to hear from us and, yes, he's ok.
Steve & Mary have been busy working life stuff (remodeling, yada yada) and on the project. Steve said he'll drop Ya'll a line in a day or so, to let ya know about things.
Cheers,
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Sept 7, 2012 23:52:22 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 7, 2012 23:52:22 GMT -6
It's very maddening. And to me a little curious that so many people have no desire to know or to understand and even more have no clue at all that there is anything to understand. And yet..here we are. It leads me to think that only some people are meant to have an awareness. My neighbor could care less..in fact..no one I know including my husband have any awareness at all. A slight curiosity at best about 'aliens'. For some of us..it's close to obsessive...the awareness I mean and growing. Yes.
Back in mid 90s, when I was wading through the ~7500 or so sighting reports that I glaumed-onto anywhere I could find them, I began to see a few invariant patterns. Actually there are many curious signatures in those data. One that stood out, and immediately revealed to me, the requirement for psychology trained investigators. For there appeared to be something of a curiosity regarding the types of people who were having the ET contact experience. I count any awareness of an ET phenomenon exhibition as being related to 'contact'. In this realization, I began to invite ET contactees to my home as-well as locate and attend their ET social get-togethers. It was fascinating to realize that the majority, seemed to exhibit a specific hemispheric orientation, in my 'lay-speak' I have defined as being the "right-hemis".
Yep, the right-hemis, those folks who are singers, poets, New Agers, writers, painters, artists, folks who are often ADD, poor with numbers and are often machine challenged, secretaries, truck-drivers, psi-intuitives...spacialists. Those who visualize their reality via spacialization. In the QBLA this is known as being right-column centric consciousness (AnGeLs of Mercy), an unbalanced psychic state. The three operative Sephira in the right-column are notably GeDuLaH, NeTzACh and of course c'HocMaH, it is these that drive the open-ness for non-constrained merciful reasoning.
When viewed from strictly hemispheric perspective, in the sighting events, there is glaringly missing left-hemi reports....where are all the left-hemi reports? Don't left-hemis see ET? Why aren't there obvious left-hemi sightings? By the rationalists, those who visualize their reality via abstraction? Its as though half of the picture's missing?
So I bounced this new (1997) discovery off the psychologists in SETV. It was new information to them, after all, most of them had come over from the intransitive SETI community, all those left-hemis over there looking for ET technical-civilization 'signatures' using fancy radios...way out there. The distances are so great between the stars (suns) in the galaxy, and as Earthian developed physics mandates that nothing physical can travel faster than light and remain coherently physical, well, ET just simply can't get here, in the SETI 'science' left-hemi reasoning. The idea that there could be a hemispheric orientation issue in effect on the Human side of the contacts is completely unexpected while giving glimpse of other subjective issues that Humans can't apparently see about ourselves. A test was devised, executed by UC Davis academics, headed by the usual SSE/NIDS ET pack. A little survey, asking academics, anonymously, on-line, if they had ever seen anything approximating an alien exhibition. The summary? The more rigorous the discipline, the less the awareness of ET exhibitions. It was just a small test, but it marked the beginning of a larger wave of academic awareness of the overall contact problem. But there are no absolutes either, apparently, for instance, Paul Hill. He's the hard physics scientist who studied ET contacts for NASA, 'unofficially' and he too after he began looking, became an experiencer. So there does remain a few slip-throughs in the hemi orientation matter. The question is, 'is it accidental?' Or perhaps its a state anomaly in the state-machine's control-loop? Like missing codes in some A to D converters, its just nature of the beast.
And then from the QBLA perspective is left-column centric consciousness, et gross....HoD, GeBuRaH (AnGeLs of Destruction), BiNaH (Understanding/Fear) an unbalanced psychic state. Its fitting too, for the left-hemis are also generally BiNaH centric, which is one of the driving stations of consciousness that promotes fear. Left-hemis are the war-mongers, the bomb-builders, the rationalists. Left, is also the column in which the Dragons are seen...live. How does that work?
We only have little disjointed glimpses of how the alien control-system works, but apparently its not external to us as most would likely intuit, while the evidence suggests is highly integrated within us.
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Sept 7, 2012 4:30:21 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 7, 2012 4:30:21 GMT -6
In the first article he discusses control systems, but I feel he is missing something, since I know they are physical. We are physical and yet have other aspects (emotions, mind, dreams, intentions,...) I feel they also are complex living physical beings and since they did not evolve on earth, they are extra-terrestrial. Non-physical projects cannot poke you or take a scoop of skin. A projected mental image does not leave marks on the body. I think Jacques is right in saying that there is something happening on a psychological level, but I still believe the extra-terrestrial explanation. Inter-dimensional, why of course advanced beings can transcend our concepts of space and time, but that does not change the basis: many alien species are involved in a huge project on primitive planet Earth. Are they simply evolved organic beings or are they GMO or cyborg or whatever, I do not know, but physical they are. If we ask ourselves the ultimate metaphysical questions: 'Who/what am I?','What is reality?','What is the meaning of the universe?', 'What is Love?': it becomes senseless because words cannot get there, they can never account for the experience of being alive in this mystery. The infinite information system of the universe cannot be analyzed by a human brain, but we can have the conscious experience of being here. The point of this is that they are also bound by these same constrains and even an extra billion years of contemplation results in the same conundrum. So they must also still be learning and observing us must be confusingly interesting: what a bizarre show. They have been watching and affecting things for a long time. My opinion is that they are here collecting the seeds that took so long to evolve, which could perish in human folly, but which are valuable. I do think that there is a control system: to try and affect us mythically: like we are here and have traveled through space and if humanity gets it together you can too. Teasing us to get it together. <<< In the first article he discusses control systems, but I feel he is missing something, since I know they are physical. >>>
I guess it depends on what one considers to be a control-system? And how the notion was derived. Having read only one short chapter might give a rather myopic vantage? Or having read only one or two of the (obviously) lay-oriented audience books he's written doesn't adequately paint the Vallee-picture either, in my opinion. He paints a rather more complete introspection of the subject, but one must dig it out. His studies of the French abductions in the NIDS published "Best UFO Cases - Europe" is an example of Dr Vallee's thoroughness. Also my having read all of his (peer reviewed) JSE papers as well as having attended a number of his lectures, paints an entirely different picture than one can see simply through one or two of his ET-believer audience books he has considerately written for us. One of his most highly acclaimed activities (which most here have no clue), involved his calculated estimation of LAF energy output from a disc. He took a lot of heat for that, but he stepped up to the plate and held his ground!! So, he does, fit the table within the constraints of the physical control-loop, he is after-all, a systems-engineer by training, and unless everything is randomly adhoc, things are very likely to be influenced by some type of a control system, whether Earthian or other wise.
Then there is Dutton. How does one explain that?
Vallee, (if one is up to speed on the players), was one of Bigelow's NIDS BOD scientists, so he very likely had full access to the Dutton research papers. Ta...da!! Couple that with the 10,000 or so sighting reports available (since the 1600s), which Dr. Vallee has obviously reviewed....one can easily introspect a control-system, if they got a brain? ET have been 'visiting' for centuries far too long to be science. The overall evidence is that WE ARE CLUELESS, while those who know a little about the subject, try to use reason alone, but the effort can't explain all the points. That's one of the problems, --most folks lack of awareness of what is already known!! One can't hold simple discussions, without becoming burdened in all the stupid, unresearched pet 'theories' of the yakkers, because they are unaware of what's already known. This problem is not relegated to any specific chat-room, but is rampant through-out the InterNet these days.
Where can one go? Where is there any open authentic ET knowledge available? Without having to sign a Non-Disclosure-Agreement?
As my friend Professor Alien-Tough@aol.com used to say, "Its maddening."
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Post by plutronus on Sept 2, 2012 2:20:32 GMT -6
I used to think they were time-travelers also, Lois. I'm not discounting that at this point, but after all I've learned in seeing other human perspectives, I think that is another one of those ideas that they want us to think. When I say time-travelers, I mean that I honestly thought it was us (humans, though "damaged"), that are from the future traveling back to the past. Because most of my big experiences are memories from my younger years, I think that I was easily manipulated mentally. They were trying to keep the experiences as positive as possible (and failed). What is my brain going to try and hold onto through that terrible mess? That these things are humans who have good intentions. Not. Since I have prayed for discernment these past 10 years, I'm getting some obvious revelations, on all kinds of things. Why not more on this? Our InnerSelf always listens when we are serious, true?
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Post by plutronus on Sept 1, 2012 3:40:33 GMT -6
Plutronus... there are religions that have much to offer people...for there will always be people who need the guidance of religion.
No...I'm not religious but I AM very spiritual.
I know that God exists..I know there is a realm called heaven and that aliens don't run the place.
But...there are dozens upon dozens of viewpoints out there and they are the brain children of those who believe they are right also..including you..and me.
I'm absolutely positive that we have had the answers before and we will have them again...when we pass from this educational field to the next.
Wrong is not accepting the beliefs of others as being every bit as important as ours..as vital and real. >for there will always be people who need the guidance of religion.
Quite true, and it is also true, there will always be newbies as long creation is on going.
>Wrong is not accepting the beliefs of others as being every bit as important as ours.
It seems that I failed to make my point clear...
Its a bit like street sk8ng, there are lots of folks who can do tricks, all kinds of neat moves...spins, crazy-legs, jack-hammers, side-surfing, etc, and they're pretty good too. And then along comes a trained Olympic Skater, who may not have as much worldly rolling experience and who likely does not know all of the street sk8rs tricks, but can do all of their tricks in one or two attempts, in a couple of minutes, because, well they are trained, they understand the underlying principles of the balance of skating. While the street sk8r can only do those few things that they've learned after many injuries, trial and error. The street sk8rs could be better, but they don't think that they need to be, 'cause they're pretty good. But they'll likely never become Olympic Skaters because of that limited thinking. They don't even consider it, they are so indoctrinated in their level of thinking. This quantifies my point about how Humanity has been manipulated via the control religions. There is difference between religions and schools. Religions are faith oriented mainly repeating myths and stories while school is knowledge based. I am not putting folks religions down, but rather saying that there is better information, but which has been denied them for an agenda. Most think that Earth belongs to us.
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Post by plutronus on Aug 31, 2012 23:32:53 GMT -6
Well...I guess there's always suicide if you can't wait for the end game to know the truth Why do folks believe that one will know everything of interest after the brain dies?
Many believe, erroneously, that they 'own' their body, that they have the right to kill it, as in the action of suicide. At best is impositional, just as murdering someone else's body is Kharmically impositional. As one's consciousness is at the same level of awareness as during life, one knows no more than one knew during life while manifesting in the Geviyah.
However, as Tom Hickey (prof and multiple published author of advanced Spiritual subjects), stated in the Abe's Kid's List (2010):
Meher Baba uses drop-soul for jivatma and Ocean for Paramatma. Shivatma is a jivatma that has realized identity with Paramatma. The metaphor of drop and ocean goes back at least to Adi Shankaracharya, who Baba said was a minor advent of the Avatar, that is, a manifestation of the Avatar within a cycle. A major advent occurs at the time of a transition from one cycle to the next.
Here is a brief description that Baba gave of the process of evolution to the human form, reincarnation in the human form, involution through the spiritual planes, and God-Realization.
"There are six stages of consciousness: (1) Unconsciousness; (2) Sub-consciousness; (3) Consciousness; (4) Sub-superconsciousness; (5) Superconsciousness; and (6) God-Consciousness.
"In the Beyond-Beyond state of God [Parat-Paramatma], there is unconsciousness, but everything comes out of this state. In the subconscious state, there are seven stages of gaseous existence. Consciousness begins from the stone form, where it is very rudimentary. During the evolutionary process of seven stages of forms [stone, metal, vegetable, worm/insect, fish, fowl, animal], culminating in the human form, consciousness is fully developed. But due to the accumulation of sanskaras [karmic impressions] during the evolutionary process, man does not become conscious of God.
"Had there been no accumulation of sanskaras, man would have become conscious of himself as God as soon as he took the first human form. But due to innumerable sanskaras, the wheel of birth and death rotates in a zigzag fashion. That is, the soul takes the male form, then the female form, good-bad, ugly-beautiful, king-beggar, and so on in the process of reincarnation. And after every death sanskaras are shaken up, decrystalized.
"At last the process of involution begins when the mind's consciousness becomes subtle. The mind persists up to the fifth plane [in the form of thoughts]. In the fifth plane mind works through itself. In the sixth plane, mind does not work, but feels. Mind becomes the inner eye and sees God face to face. In the sixth plane there is superconsciousness. In the seventh plane the mind is annihilated and man achieves God-Consciousness." Something to consider...
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Post by plutronus on Aug 31, 2012 22:09:16 GMT -6
I believe the insectoid aliens have very long life spans. There is a feeling that it radiated which was of being old, yet still having a long life ahead. The longer the life span, the more attachments and perhaps the more fear of death. In teh Vedas of India, it states that it is very difficult for the 'Gods' living on the heavenly planets to attain enlightenment, since they are attached to living opulently in splendor. There are stories that the Grays interact with the dead and have brought the dead to see the living. They also appear in Between Life Regressions. In the ensuing 25 yrs after my Mother's ET psychosis was 'fixed' by electro-shock therapy, my Mother never mentioned ET, not once, and if the subject arose, she'd politely excuse herself.
Two days before she died (no code), I asked her how she felt about things, I asked her if she was afraid, she said, "Hell yes!"...she told me that she was afraid to die. As Rosicrucians, we are indoctrinated both through curriculum, written lesson material, through interpersonal discussions with other senior level Rosicrucians and then through psychic lessons, that there is continuation of life after 'death' and that we reincarnate. We never lose consciousness, only life-term memories disappear into the maya of the Asyah. There are lessons that teach one through direct experience of our previous life-terms, like rewinding the Qlifah and playing back an experience. These 'lessons' are very personally compelling. (Temple Monographs ~9 thru 12 contain these level lessons.) With this as a backdrop, I was very shocked to hear my Mother say that she was afraid to die, I asked her "why are you afraid?", she said, "They are out there", I said, "Who's out there?" "The aliens, they are waiting for me."
Only on her deathbed did Mom mention the aliens, those three little Grey phkrs that caused my family so much misery.
Again, its all about keeping us psychically in the dark, while they command full control of the psychic realm. They keep the masses controlled through clueless religions that teach nothing of value beyond the the physical realm while teaching that it is evil to know about psychic subjects.
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Post by plutronus on Aug 31, 2012 13:42:49 GMT -6
Fly high Neil Armstrong..you have all the answers now 'Blue moon' on same day as Neil Armstrong service
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 8:47am
SETH BORENSTEIN, AP
WASHINGTON (AP) -- There's a rare `blue moon' on Friday, a fitting wink to Neil Armstrong by the cosmic calendar.
That's the day of a private service for Armstrong, the first man to walk on the moon, who died last Saturday in Ohio at age 82.
A blue moon occurs when there's a second full moon in one calendar month. It won't happen again until July 2015. The full moon cycle is 29.5 days so a blue moon is uncommon and has come to mean something rare. The moon actually won't be colored blue.
Harvard University astronomer Avi Loeb said the moon is far more important to lovers, literature and folklore than to science.
Armstrong's family has suggested paying tribute to him by looking at the moon and giving the astronaut a wink.
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Post by plutronus on Aug 31, 2012 13:10:31 GMT -6
Stanford Researchers Discover the 'AnterNet' Released into the Public Domain by Stanford University
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 3:33pm
On the surface, ants and the Internet don't seem to have much in common. But two Stanford researchers have discovered that a species of harvester ants determine how many foragers to send out of the nest in much the same way that Internet protocols discover how much bandwidth is available for the transfer of data. The researchers are calling it the "anternet."
Deborah Gordon, a biology professor at Stanford, has been studying ants for more than 20 years. When she figured out how the harvester ant colonies she had been observing in Arizona decided when to send out more ants to get food, she called across campus to Balaji Prabhakar, a professor of computer science at Stanford and an expert on how files are transferred on a computer network. At first he didn't see any overlap between his and Gordon's work, but inspiration would soon strike.
"The next day it occurred to me, 'Oh wait, this is almost the same as how [Internet] protocols discover how much bandwidth is available for transferring a file!'" Prabhakar said. "The algorithm the ants were using to discover how much food there is available is essentially the same as that used in the Transmission Control Protocol."
Transmission Control Protocol, or TCP, is an algorithm that manages data congestion on the Internet, and as such was integral in allowing the early web to scale up from a few dozen nodes to the billions in use today. Here's how it works: As a source, A, transfers a file to a destination, B, the file is broken into numbered packets. When B receives each packet, it sends an acknowledgment, or an ack, to A, that the packet arrived.
This feedback loop allows TCP to run congestion avoidance: If acks return at a slower rate than the data was sent out, that indicates that there is little bandwidth available, and the source throttles data transmission down accordingly. If acks return quickly, the source boosts its transmission speed. The process determines how much bandwidth is available and throttles data transmission up/down accordingly.
It turns out that harvester ants (Pogonomyrmex barbatus) behave nearly the same way when searching for food. Gordon has found that the rate at which harvester ants – which forage for seeds as individuals – leave the nest to search for food corresponds to food availability.
A forager won't return to the nest until it finds food. If seeds are plentiful, foragers return faster, and more ants leave the nest to forage. If, however, ants begin returning empty handed, the search is slowed, and perhaps called off.
Prabhakar wrote an ant algorithm to predict foraging behavior depending on the amount of food – i.e., bandwidth – available. Gordon's experiments manipulate the rate of forager return. Working with Stanford student Katie Dektar, they found that the TCP-influenced algorithm almost exactly matched the ant behavior found in Gordon's experiments.
"Ants have discovered an algorithm that we know well, and they've been doing it for millions of years," Prabhakar said.
They also found that the ants followed two other phases of TCP. One phase is known as slow start, which describes how a source sends out a large wave of packets at the beginning of a transmission to gauge bandwidth; similarly, when the harvester ants begin foraging, they send out foragers to scope out food availability before scaling up or down the rate of outgoing foragers.
Another protocol, called time-out, occurs when a data transfer link breaks or is disrupted, and the source stops sending packets. Similarly, when foragers are prevented from returning to the nest for more than 20 minutes, no more foragers leave the nest.
Prabhakar said that had this discovery been made in the 1970s, before TCP was written, harvester ants very well could have influenced the design of the Internet.
Gordon thinks that scientists have just scratched the surface for how ant colony behavior could help us in the design of networked systems.
There are 11,000 species of ants, living in every habitat and dealing with every type of ecological problem, Gordon said. "Ants have evolved ways of doing things that we haven't thought up, but could apply in computer systems. Computationally speaking, each ant has limited capabilities, but the collective can perform complex tasks.
"So ant algorithms have to be simple, distributed and scalable – the very qualities that we need in large engineered distributed systems," she said. "I think as we start understanding more about how species of ants regulate their behavior, we'll find many more useful applications for network algorithms." ###
The work is published in the Aug. 23 issue of PLoS Computational Biology, Stanford University.
Original release: www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-08/su-srd082812.php
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Aug 31, 2012 3:10:27 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Aug 31, 2012 3:10:27 GMT -6
Didn't do anything for my husband and his doctor did warn him off of it. Quality control isn't very stable in dietary supplements and it's relationship to dmso is a bit of a concern. DMSO is a 'carrier'. Used for arthritis and joint problems it also has the unique ability to carry anything through the skin into the blood stream We used to use it for the horses when we had one hard to medicate. Put the medicine in dmso and rub it on the jugular vein. There are only a few concerns for MSM right now..but the testing hasn't been very long. This I found but there isn't really any strong warnings about it. There is a controversy surrounding MSM. Though it is technically considered safe, Dr. Jacobs, a surgeon, determined that there are some side effects such as a strange taste in the mouth. Also, some people experience allergic-type side effects. Nausea, bloating, and fatigue are some of the side effects that have been reported There are also some MSM heart side effects to be concerned with. If you have an existing heart condition, this could be a concern. Also, if you have conditions such as liver disease or on blood thinning drugs, you also need to be careful and consult with your doctor. Hi,
I apologize, my post here wanders a bit off-topic, my only (weak) excuse is that I desire very greatly to be elsewhere as I write this...to be back home in Black Rock City BM....
My buddy, Parable, drinks DMSO, --he stinks like a chemical factory for several days when he does. He drinks it to help mediate his high-blood pressure. He claims that it helps him to 'think' also? Its my opinion that it just makes him stink! When he comes over to my place, I have to open all the windows, but it doesn't seem to hurt him?, and Parable has been drinking it for as long as I've known him these past 15 years. Lots of folks say DMSO is dangerous? Parable a retired medical researcher, says, "poppy-cock!"
Off...topic...but ya might find it interesting??
One stinking evening while Parable and I were hanging out at a cafe in Studio City, (an Los Angeles suburb), we were barn-storming ideas together, regarding my idea on how to make an art-car for Burning-Man. Burning Man, is a large adult camping (55,000ppl) style art festival held once a year in a alkaline talcom-powdery like, ancient sea-bed, hot in the day-time, cold at night, playa white-out dust storms so bad ya can't see a foot in front of ya...its just like camping in Hell. Nothing for sale nothing for barter. No stages. Electronica music goes 24hrs a day, everyday for 14 days. Burners are the entertainment, we bring everything. Its a gifting society, everything is free. And its way fun. I introduced Parable to Burning Man back in 2006, and invited him to camp with me that year as part of my (four RVs) Light-Chime camp. I present a large LED art structure at Burning-Man. Anyway, Parable and I cooked up plans for a two-wheel art-car, which Parable constructed, he has expended around $17,000 constructing it over four years. He did all the mechanical and welding himself. Its an electric art-car. He's at Burning-Man right now, I'd be there, but I can't afford the gas (for my 30' class A RV Burning-Man Tram), this year :((
Anyway, here's a photo of Parable's 'Cinderella Art Car', I think I took this photo in 2007 out in the middle of the playa?
Its wheeling around at Burning-Man right now. :))
If anyone is wondering, inside the tent area, is an 8ft wide, 15ft long bed, ya know, for hauling the girls around the playa!! Its a big swinging bed-room on wheels. Its really pretty at night with all the LEDs and EL Wire on the spokes. Parable did a great job making it. Oh, those wheels, well I'm 6'1" and my head is just under the axle, the wheels are ~15 ft diameter. Really kewl huh? It was all custom made by Parable, while I did a lot of the electrical design, Parable had a handyman/electrician do the actual electrical construction. Parable steers it using two joysticks, --one for each wheel. It goes forward, backward and does spins in place. It comfortably seats six people or two depending on orientation. Its a really fun ride. It gets about six hours of travel per charge. However, Parable does not drink DMSO while driving, thank Jupiter!
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Post by plutronus on Aug 30, 2012 22:41:15 GMT -6
Observing the 4 I saw and my memory is less than perfect..they did not even show awareness of each other. Didn't look at one another or make any type of eye contact. No high fives or glances or expressions..just a focus on what they were engaged in at the moment. Everyone has a job to do thing..for all I know they have tiny receivers in their eye balls and 'hear' some big dude in a mother ship. Yo Mort..cut there along that dotted line. >Yo Mort..cut there along that dotted line.
Hah hah, sorry for snickering, heh heh.
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Post by plutronus on Aug 30, 2012 22:34:19 GMT -6
I would like to know who those air force personel were and how they got that information. I would also like to know why they are willing to give it out. Sounds fairly suspicious to me as well Sky. How much of the sky (no pun intended) do you suppose this imager can see at any one time? Or for that matter in 24 hours? There is a reason the facility is located where it is. Anyone know the 'why'?
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Post by plutronus on Aug 30, 2012 22:06:08 GMT -6
Darn it! >:( I missed it again because I had to work all day and couldn't get on the puter. How often do they do these space walks and how do you find out about them in advance? Sky,
I know exactly how you feel, but I fixed that problem...
Check with your TV provider (TimeWarner Cable, DirectTV, Dish Networks, etc) for NASA TV channel. Not trying to rub it in Dude, but I watch the ISS Mission coverage every night, televised live by the astronauts aboard the SpaceStation. Its great! Watch them flying down the passage-ways, working the experiments, fixing stuff outside, ingress/egress, putting out the Russian fires (did I mention that the Russians have had a few fires?). The real bummer is when ya watch a crew work up there for six months, everyday, see'm at their best and their better and then they climb aboard a down-trip and then they disappear out of our lives. Its...
I'd love to get a chance to work up there, even if I had to tuna up in one of those Soyuz three seaters. D.a.m.n NASA for not making a cheaper better Space-Shuttle. Hopefully Elon Musk's (paypal inventor) Dragon won't take too long before they get it Man-flight certified, 'cause it horsey-ups 7 in da saddle + cargo. :))
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Post by plutronus on Aug 30, 2012 21:25:13 GMT -6
All aliens make it so no witness is going to have any proof of a sighting. That is the sad part. . I'm opened minded I think, but to hear me talk sometimes you would get the impression I was not. One becomes very broad minded when they witness one. If some one could prove to me what I saw was a government ship, that goes out shinning beam down on folks I would take it as the truth. Is that open minded enough..?? Hi Lois,
Excellent observation.
RA (Law of One) identifies this behavior as being the "law of confusion", --it is a rule that all ET abide by when showing themselves to Humans. If true, and it certainly does seem to be, in my opinion, then it likely reveals a glimpse into their over-all communication structure as well. How & what do ET communicate with each other about us?
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Post by plutronus on Aug 29, 2012 17:34:56 GMT -6
[/color] An amateur astronomer has discovered his second supernova in two years – from a shed in his back garden. Dave Grennan says he had the shock of his life when he spotted the 123 million-year-old exploding star from his home in Raheny, north Dublin. And he has dedicated his latest find to his hero, moonwalker Neil Armstrong who died on Saturday. The 41-year-old said: "I was about to pack up and go to bed and the very last photo I took I downloaded and I nearly fell off my chair. I couldn't believe it. "I knew exactly what it was. It wasn't a piece of dust on my camera, it was a supernova. "I had the shock of my life." The software developer, who works for state transport company IE, discovered the first supernova from Ireland using the same powerful telescope in September 2010. He said he sat up until 4am examining his data and searching records to check if anyone else in the world reported the star, before contacting the International Astronomical Union which formally designated the celestial explosion as 2012ej. Mr Grennan and his wife Carol in their garden shed Experts told him that the star was 100 times bigger than the sun and violently exploded in another galaxy, called IC2166, because it got too big and could not support its own weight. "It is about 120 million light years away. That means it has taken 120 million years for the light from this explosion to travel the distance across the depths of the universe and reach us here on planet earth," Mr Grennan said. "So we are looking back in time." Mr Grennan described his love of the night sky as a vocation, and the support of his wife Carol as unwavering. CONTINUE READING: news.sky.com/story/978299/irish-astronomer-spots-second-supernova[/quote] Now thats a nice story and a really kewl picture of he and his Lady...
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Aug 29, 2012 17:31:51 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Aug 29, 2012 17:31:51 GMT -6
Well..I can't or wont speculate on what all 'grey's' might or might not do. If I haven't experienced it..how can I suggest I know anything about a thing? Hear say stuff..is all we have other than what we may have experienced. There just are no authorities on this subject. Just people who have talked to people who have talked to people. I do think we make conclusive jumps that could be very misdirected. Hybrids? I don't think there are any..but that is just my own opinion. When I see with my own two peepers then I believe. So..how would a teenager in a panic know much at all about something that was in the 60's just the stuff of impossibility? There was no Freddy Kruger or Jason or Children of the Corn..to pave the way into horror. There were 4 beings that 2 kids happen to stumble across one summer day..who gave those girls a lesson in a lot of things. I believe they are grown in someone's lab to be the legs for a race that can't travel. I don't think they are about to invade and I don't think they're living in caves under my town. I try to only listen to the accounts of people who have experienced..not repeats of repeats of other accounts...because it just gets too confusing..and everyone puts their own spin on it. According to the entity Steve was channeling..he looks like a grey but isn't associated with the ones doing the abducting and doesn't approve...if that is true...who knows how many types of greys there are. But...is it true or is it some really bizarre creature pretending to be all of the aliens? That's just as feasible as there being dozens of types visiting in my opinion. When we relate the stories of others..are we relating reality? Or their fearful impressions? Some day we really will know. JoKelly,
Agreed. I think I understand your point, its really easy to become somewhat jaded in these matters. It seems that you are well past that juncture. And as you say, (hopefully) some day we will really know.
Thanks.
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